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SouthernFreeze
12 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Strange, I've have been around stoners all my life and never seen one hospitalised. Lots including myself have quit cold turkey too. Over here as far as I know no one is really concerned what there doctor thinks about there cannabis use. I have no statistics or links but just what I know from experience. 

 

To be honest I think cbd and thc should be different threads, cbd to me is a supplement like all the others where thc is a total different story. 


10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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manymoretodays
On 11/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, SouthernFreeze said:

To be honest I think cbd and thc should be different threads, cbd to me is a supplement like all the others where thc is a total different story. 

 

Yes.  Thank you for the suggestion.  Are you volunteering for this task? B)

 

Apparently some of the CBD patches contain THC.  I was just looking and found this:

10 best CBD Patches for 2020

 

So, it get's complicated.   As we are only up to 6 pages now, of this topic, for now, it may be best to just read the whole topic and do your own critical analysis, prior to any usage.  Unless, of course, you'd like to take on some organizational work here.   You could send one of us a PM, if so.

 

And as there is no hard data, as yet, to support using CBD, in any form, specifically for WD, we can't endorse it. And advise caution.

 

The posts from JanCarol, with information from Consumer Labs, and drug interaction information is really good.  And then some solid posts from Altostrata as well.  Many members experiences and opinions too.

 

Thankyou SouthernFreeze,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

Edited by manymoretodays

Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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ChessieCat
On 11/3/2020 at 5:52 AM, SouthernFreeze said:

To be honest I think cbd and thc should be different threads, cbd to me is a supplement like all the others where thc is a total different story. 

 

SA is different to many other forums.  We like to keep discussion of a similar theme in one topic.  If a member starts a new topic and there is an existing topic with the same theme the topic is merged into the original.  Doing this makes it easier for members to find the information and also means that the number of topics on the site is kept to a minimum.  It keeps the site much tidier.

 

You can always do a search within a topic if you are looking for something in particular or use a search engine and add site:survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.


NEW!!!               INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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jamest
4 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

 

Yes.  Thank you for the suggestion.  Are you volunteering for this task? B)

 

Apparently some of the CBD patches contain THC.  I was just looking and found this:

10 best CBD Patches for 2020

 

So, it get's complicated.   As we are only up to 6 pages now, of this topic, for now, it may be best to just read the whole topic and do your own critical analysis, prior to any usage.  Unless, of course, you'd like to take on some organizational work here.   You could send one of us a PM, if so.

 

And as there is no hard data, as yet, to support using CBD, in any form, specifically for WD, we can't endorse it. And advise caution.

 

The posts from JanCarol, with information from Consumer Labs, and drug interaction information is really good.  And then some solid posts from Altostrata as well.  Many members experiences and opinions too.

 

Thankyou SouthernFreeze,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

 

I think you are correct no scientific evidence that fully proves thc or cbd does anything good for the human body it is more of a hit or miss some people might get relief others not so much.

 

I had touched the stuff for 25 years till one day got extremely anxious which lead someone to prescribe the ssri which messed me up.

 

i can honestly tell people here indica this sativa that ect does not make a difference its all marketing gimmicks everyone just rolls with weed is just that it alters your state of mind the same no matter what it tastes like or what kind it supposedly is.       

 

Also realize most is hybrid no pure landraces almost anymore so you never know what you are gonna get different chemicals different growers ect too many variables at play.

 

i could get into the whole topic of what could happen but everyone is different.

 

Smoking anything isnt good for your health obviously  i once met a farmer and my friend asked if he could plant on the land and the guy said absolutely not said his brother died  few years ago from lung cancer and did not use tobacco was a heavy cannabis user so people can take what they want from that i would  hate to burst any ones bubble.

 

Also with cbd alone that is questionable as well one or 2 people i have read about said that at first everything was great relaxed then they became horribly anxious over time.

 

I stopped using green because one day i had a severe panic attack no one around and in my room alone i thought i was having a heart attack.   Just my 2 cents 


Paroxetine 20mg used 7 days discontinued   did a one day 10mg half dose taper then stopped ct.     

 

Multi vitamin one a day vitacraves gummies  also currently using            Magnesium 500mg  fish oil 1000mg.     

     

 

Was taking Vyvanse 20mg a stimulant med for adhd currently stopped hoping to continue if needed to function correctly .   

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SouthernFreeze
12 hours ago, jamest said:

 

 

I think you are correct no scientific evidence that fully proves thc or cbd does anything good for the human body it is more of a hit or miss some people might get relief others not so much.

 

I had touched the stuff for 25 years till one day got extremely anxious which lead someone to prescribe the ssri which messed me up.

 

i can honestly tell people here indica this sativa that ect does not make a difference its all marketing gimmicks everyone just rolls with weed is just that it alters your state of mind the same no matter what it tastes like or what kind it supposedly is.       

 

Also realize most is hybrid no pure landraces almost anymore so you never know what you are gonna get different chemicals different growers ect too many variables at play.

 

i could get into the whole topic of what could happen but everyone is different.

 

Smoking anything isnt good for your health obviously  i once met a farmer and my friend asked if he could plant on the land and the guy said absolutely not said his brother died  few years ago from lung cancer and did not use tobacco was a heavy cannabis user so people can take what they want from that i would  hate to burst any ones bubble.

 

Also with cbd alone that is questionable as well one or 2 people i have read about said that at first everything was great relaxed then they became horribly anxious over time.

 

I stopped using green because one day i had a severe panic attack no one around and in my room alone i thought i was having a heart attack.   Just my 2 cents 

I don't think your bursting anybody's bubble, it's pretty well know now that there are many other ways to ingest cannabis.

 

Cbd for me never actually started working until I had used it over a period of time. And too be honest I think the benefits of cbd are about as proven as a lot of the supplements endorsed on here.

 

I'm not trying to promote it or anything, just seems like it's being pretty quickly dismissed on here because of its relation to thc. 


10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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manymoretodays

Hey SF,

I think it's just that our nervous systems are so fragile.  And that it could complicate things in WD.  I also used some, smoked it, after decades of no use.  When I was in Seroquel WD and it did help briefly.   I was able to sleep. 

Used it again with Lexapro WD.  Problem was, I got hooked.  AND.......got all paranoid too.  Oh, not to mention, it is illegal here.  So, I was glad to get off it, and get on with my healing and recovery from the prescribed psychiatric drugs.

 

Since that time, it is legal for medical usage here..  It seems that they may prescribe the same thing for everyone.  I don't know. 

 

I will continue to abstain.

  

On 10/23/2020 at 9:12 PM, Altostrata said:

You might read this topic from the beginning to see the effect of marijuana is unpredictable for people whose nervous systems are sensitized by withdrawal and it sometimes makes them feel worse.

 

We advise people to be very cautious with all drugs, including "natural" drugs like marijuana, which can be very strong and set you back if you are recovering from withdrawal.

 

And I know, that Alto commented on my page, early on, that it may be the lesser evil to alcohol, when in WD.  We are so very fragile and sensitive.

 

And I think we are just trying to keep the main focus on tapering and WD of AD's.  Not dismissing the topic.  But keeping our(staff) focus on tapering, and WD.

 

Best, SouthernFreeze

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

p.s.  I liked what you had to offer above.  That was good, interesting.

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p.s.

Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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ChessieCat

Some members have used other supplements which helped for a while which then turned paradoxical on them.  It is always good to be alert to this because if you have been taking something for a while and it is working, your natural assumption is to think that it will continue to do so, which means that if things worsen for you then the supplement may be overlooked as being the culprit.


NEW!!!               INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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jamest

Right everyone is different you could use a supplement and get a reaction some maybe not


Paroxetine 20mg used 7 days discontinued   did a one day 10mg half dose taper then stopped ct.     

 

Multi vitamin one a day vitacraves gummies  also currently using            Magnesium 500mg  fish oil 1000mg.     

     

 

Was taking Vyvanse 20mg a stimulant med for adhd currently stopped hoping to continue if needed to function correctly .   

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Asi1309
4 hours ago, SouthernFreeze said:

I don't think your bursting anybody's bubble, it's pretty well know now that there are many other ways to ingest cannabis.

 

Cbd for me never actually started working until I had used it over a period of time. And too be honest I think the benefits of cbd are about as proven as a lot of the supplements endorsed on here.

 

I'm not trying to promote it or anything, just seems like it's being pretty quickly dismissed on here because of its relation to thc. 

Gave me akathisia when I used it in withdrawal...

More then a year now...

Even CBd contains thc as it is a plant

Full spectrum especially 

There is no pure cbd...

Be mindful 


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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SouthernFreeze
4 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Gave me akathisia when I used it in withdrawal...

More then a year now...

Even CBd contains thc as it is a plant

Full spectrum especially 

There is no pure cbd...

Be mindful 

You have been on it for a year?

The cbd I use claims it has no thc, either way there's not enough to cause me to get stoned. I found when I dropped my dose slightly It felt with the restless legs.

 


10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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Asi1309
7 hours ago, SouthernFreeze said:

You have been on it for a year?

The cbd I use claims it has no thc, either way there's not enough to cause me to get stoned. I found when I dropped my dose slightly It felt with the restless legs.

 

Been on it for some months, 6 or more...

Got akathisia from it, 

I've been clean for more then a year now...

The akathisia is still here


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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jamest
13 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Been on it for some months, 6 or more...

Got akathisia from it, 

I've been clean for more then a year now...

The akathisia is still here

 

i wonder if that was what happend to me and i mostly thought that was symptoms from adhd 


Paroxetine 20mg used 7 days discontinued   did a one day 10mg half dose taper then stopped ct.     

 

Multi vitamin one a day vitacraves gummies  also currently using            Magnesium 500mg  fish oil 1000mg.     

     

 

Was taking Vyvanse 20mg a stimulant med for adhd currently stopped hoping to continue if needed to function correctly .   

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SouthernFreeze
16 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Been on it for some months, 6 or more...

Got akathisia from it, 

I've been clean for more then a year now...

The akathisia is still here

Are you it's from the cbd if you still get it a year later?


10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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Asi1309
12 hours ago, jamest said:

 

i wonder if that was what happend to me and i mostly thought that was symptoms from adhd 

I didn't understand either why I felt compulsive to walk everday and couldn't sit still gradually, only when the second oil gave me full on akathisia and I quitted, it took me more then 6 months to realize I have akathisia...

Took a lot of research 

Because no one told me what akathisia was like


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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Asi1309
8 hours ago, SouthernFreeze said:

Are you it's from the cbd if you still get it a year later?

Yes

Been perfectly fine before 

Other peoples experience 

Cannabis effects on dopamine 

Painfully slow and gradual remission 


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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I would be careful messing around with THC smoking like 1.5 months after quitting Prozac made my PSSD a lot worse!


On and off Fluoxetine 4-5 times since 2010 - on about 6 years off 4 (15-20 mg)

Quit Fluoxetine CT 40 Mg after a week May 2020

Buspirone 10 mg one week July 2020

Mirtazapine 7.5 mg 2 days July 2020

 

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5 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Yes

Been perfectly fine before 

Other peoples experience 

Cannabis effects on dopamine 

Painfully slow and gradual remission 

Cannabis does affect dopamine but it doesn't decrease dopamine to cause akathisia. I might be wrong but that's what I understand.


Feb 2015 Invega 9mg tapered to zero over 6 month, Levomepromazine 25mg for 3 months
                Citalopram raised from 20mg to 80mg over 3 months, at 80mg for 1 year and 5 months
                Venlaxafine raised from 150mg to 450mg over 3 months (after citalopram) maintained for 1 year and 2 months.     Two shots of haldol decanoas, 
                 Alprazolam from 0.5 to 7(!) mg due to the immense stress of the ads. Down to 2.5mg discontinued abruptly with almost no tapering within a week and a half, against all guidelines first the citalopram then the effexor. October 2017

Occtober 2017 - Dec 2017 Moclobemide raised from 200mg to 800mg during a month and half discontinued with no tapering.

Jan 2017 Feb 2017Fluvoxamine and Venlaxafine 300mg and 450mg, abrupt start, no tapering in discontinuation. 30mg Mirtazapin at night.

Close to two months off antidepressants but on benzos. 6 months on 2.5mg alprazolam, Diazepam 5mg for 1.5 months. Currently on 600mg peronten, 400mg seroquel xr, Risperdal Consta 50mg.

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SouthernFreeze
5 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Yes

Been perfectly fine before 

Other peoples experience 

Cannabis effects on dopamine 

Painfully slow and gradual remission 

Hmm, I'll keep that in mind. Im pretty sure I have had akathesia myself in the past, mostly from effexor withdrawal, but at the moment cbd is working for me. It's no mirical  cure, but it calms me down a bit and helps me sleep. I can't really say that about much supplents I've tried. Obviously it's something to be cautious about.

 


10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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I have used hemp-derived CBD post-withdrawal for acute relief of my cluster headaches.  It does help with that.  There is a subtle sense of relief from the pain and agitation of the cluster headache.

 

Not sure about withdrawal. Don't have experience there.

 

I would be very careful around THC in depression or AD withdrawal.  I've seen research indicating it can make depression worse.


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Previously - Escitalopram ("Lexapro") (dangerous substance, do not start taking this): 03 - 05/2018 - 10mg // 05/2018 - 12/2019 - monthly recursive dose reduction to 0.

 

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I have reported this in the forums too about cbd, it was a relief from the effexor induced headaches.


Feb 2015 Invega 9mg tapered to zero over 6 month, Levomepromazine 25mg for 3 months
                Citalopram raised from 20mg to 80mg over 3 months, at 80mg for 1 year and 5 months
                Venlaxafine raised from 150mg to 450mg over 3 months (after citalopram) maintained for 1 year and 2 months.     Two shots of haldol decanoas, 
                 Alprazolam from 0.5 to 7(!) mg due to the immense stress of the ads. Down to 2.5mg discontinued abruptly with almost no tapering within a week and a half, against all guidelines first the citalopram then the effexor. October 2017

Occtober 2017 - Dec 2017 Moclobemide raised from 200mg to 800mg during a month and half discontinued with no tapering.

Jan 2017 Feb 2017Fluvoxamine and Venlaxafine 300mg and 450mg, abrupt start, no tapering in discontinuation. 30mg Mirtazapin at night.

Close to two months off antidepressants but on benzos. 6 months on 2.5mg alprazolam, Diazepam 5mg for 1.5 months. Currently on 600mg peronten, 400mg seroquel xr, Risperdal Consta 50mg.

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1 hour ago, Jay78 said:

Cannabis does affect dopamine but it doesn't decrease dopamine to cause akathisia. I might be wrong but that's what I understand.

 

Please let's get away from applying the "chemical imbalance" theory to everything. It's a bogus theory and a myth that serotonin does this and dopamine does that (except in Parkinson's and movement disorders). Cannabis in particular affects many different receptors and systems.


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3 hours ago, Jay78 said:

Cannabis does affect dopamine but it doesn't decrease dopamine to cause akathisia. I might be wrong but that's what I understand.

I don't know how cannabis causes akathisia, but the link is clear and many people reported the same after use in withdrawal in the akathisia group.

All I know that it affects dopamine and it's a psychoactive agent.

We don't even know how withdrawal or psych drugs work, yet alone cannabis on it's own, or how it affects a withdrawal brain.

Don't forget that affecting one neurotransmitter affects the body in a butterfly effect, like in withdrawal. 

So I'm pretty sure that we no absolutely none about withdrawal, 

And akathisia it's just an hypothesis that lack of dopamine causes akathisia, not a clear link. 

They dont know how akathisia works.

And I've been to the top psychiatrist and neurologist in my country and they told me straight:

We don't know how withdrawal works 

Or how akathisia works

The drugs that treat akathisia are basically bandages and aren't even near a cure or sufficient. 

Being an akathisia victim is even worse then withdrawal 

The studies and papers on akathisia are close to zero. 

They know about akathisia even less then they know about withdrawal. 

 


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

Please let's get away from applying the "chemical imbalance" theory to everything. It's a bogus theory and a myth that serotonin does this and dopamine does that (except in Parkinson's and movement disorders). Cannabis in particular affects many different receptors and systems.

 

The brain is complex.  And individual brains differ.  Those "chemical imbalance" ideas are reductive - based on primitive 20th/21st century science turned to marketing.  We will know more about all these topics in the future.  But unfortunately our pharmaceutical market is already selling chemicals that can cause difficult problems we don't quite understand.  The best we can do is try to figure things out and move forward.

 

1 hour ago, Asi1309 said:

I don't know how cannabis causes akathisia, but the link is clear and many people reported the same after use in withdrawal in the akathisia group.

All I know that it affects dopamine and it's a psychoactive agent.

We don't even know how withdrawal or psych drugs work, yet alone cannabis on it's own, or how it affects a withdrawal brain.

Don't forget that affecting one neurotransmitter affects the body in a butterfly effect, like in withdrawal. 

So I'm pretty sure that we no absolutely none about withdrawal, 

And akathisia it's just an hypothesis that lack of dopamine causes akathisia, not a clear link. 

They dont know how akathisia works.

And I've been to the top psychiatrist and neurologist in my country and they told me straight:

We don't know how withdrawal works 

Or how akathisia works

The drugs that treat akathisia are basically bandages and aren't even near a cure or sufficient. 

Being an akathisia victim is even worse then withdrawal 

The studies and papers on akathisia are close to zero. 

They know about akathisia even less then they know about withdrawal. 

 

 

When you discuss cannabis, I would suggest conceptualizing THC and CBD separately.  They are distinct substances in the same plant.

 

You have good points to make about akathisia and withdrawal.  These are bad phenomena - and widely misunderstood.  But you can heal.  What you are experiencing is just a moment in time, and the brain has a remarkable capacity to repair, regenerate, and reorganize itself.  I would humbly suggest resisting the temptation to view yourself reactively (i.e. as a "victim"), and instead suggest thinking proactively (i.e. what will you do next?). 

 

You can't change the past, but you can build good habits for the future.  With good habits, healing is possible - even growth through these hard times.

 

 


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Previously - Escitalopram ("Lexapro") (dangerous substance, do not start taking this): 03 - 05/2018 - 10mg // 05/2018 - 12/2019 - monthly recursive dose reduction to 0.

 

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11 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

I didn't understand either why I felt compulsive to walk everday and couldn't sit still gradually, only when the second oil gave me full on akathisia and I quitted, it took me more then 6 months to realize I have akathisia...

Took a lot of research 

Because no one told me what akathisia was like

ya everyone is different i cant really assume but i did smoke for 25 years. what you mentioned sounded like something i have done so i commented. i hope you can figure it out and get it taken care of


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Multi vitamin one a day vitacraves gummies  also currently using            Magnesium 500mg  fish oil 1000mg.     

     

 

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6 hours ago, CCFB said:

 

The brain is complex.  And individual brains differ.  Those "chemical imbalance" ideas are reductive - based on primitive 20th/21st century science turned to marketing.  We will know more about all these topics in the future.  But unfortunately our pharmaceutical market is already selling chemicals that can cause difficult problems we don't quite understand.  The best we can do is try to figure things out and move forward.

 

 

When you discuss cannabis, I would suggest conceptualizing THC and CBD separately.  They are distinct substances in the same plant.

 

You have good points to make about akathisia and withdrawal.  These are bad phenomena - and widely misunderstood.  But you can heal.  What you are experiencing is just a moment in time, and the brain has a remarkable capacity to repair, regenerate, and reorganize itself.  I would humbly suggest resisting the temptation to view yourself reactively (i.e. as a "victim"), and instead suggest thinking proactively (i.e. what will you do next?). 

 

You can't change the past, but you can build good habits for the future.  With good habits, healing is possible - even growth through these hard times.

 

 

The reason I've used the word cannabis is because I've used both a joint, medical marijuana, and full spectrum oil, and isolated oil.

Turns out that there is thc even in full spectrum and isolate CBD. (Per research)

 

for a normal person that's not a problem but form someone in withdrawal the brain knows.

Also in withdrawal it doesn't matter what part the plant you use - from my experience, and others around the web.

I've touched what I thought was cbd joint and oil and look at where I'm am now.

Cannabis doesn't just contain cbd, it contains like 500 components as well.

Normally I wouldn't have a problem with any part of the cannabis plant, but since me and countless others experience the same thing - akathisia - using *any* part of the cannabis plant, I feel it's important to give peoples heads up.

As to the victim part, well I am a victim and you're too, I didn't chose to be given brain damage from drugs that can take years to heal, and akathisia which is an itarogenic harm that doesn't exists in nature. Ehy should I blame myself because doctors chose money over years of warnings and repeated studies that can not be explained otherwise, and gave it to people when theydon't know how the drug works, if it affective, that it cannot be taperd safely, and that it causes brain damge and extream suffering, including akathisia, that no studies exists on its nature, and how to cure it.

It's not some top secret governmental document.

The science had been out for years, and your doctor is responsible for everything he prescribed. 

The psych drugs are on par and even worse imo then the opiates crisis.

Don't blame yourself for things done to you.

Science doesn't lie.

People do

for money.

it doesn't mean healing can't happen just that it can take years, and I don't know if you ever experienced akathisia, but let me tell you something, I've cold Turkeyd multi SSRIs after years of using, and suffering for 2.5 years now almost, 

and akathisia is the MOST tortures painful and tormenful experience I've ever had,

EVER!

Imagine having akathisia for more then a year.

The first year of cold turky was hard

But imagine not being able to stop moving 

Ever. 24/7 

Not being able to relax 

Being contanly fidgeting and stressed so much that you need to constantly have a mouthpiece in your mouth, to not brake your teeth because of the continuous non stop cleanching. 

Being so terrorized and horrified that you can't even think straight or focus.

And can't sleep because you can't he still in your bad.

I thought akathisia was just some wierd thing the unlucky ones got, or that they're overreacting. 

They were not. 

If you want to get an idea at what it's like go ahead to 'living wit akathisia' group on Facebook. 

And the cherry on the top is that there is no cure or even a grain of research on akathisia. 

And people tried everything in the group and it amounts to nothing. 

It can take years of continual suffering. 

I be honest

Cold turky withdrawal feels like a walk in the park now next to akathisia. 

 

 


CIPRALEX 10MG(M) TAB (Escitalopram): 29/01/2014-08/05/2016
VIEPAX 37.5MG TAB (Venlafaxine): 08/05/2016-26/06/2016
PRIZMA TAB (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride): 26/06/2016-18/08/2016
ELATROL 25MG TAB (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride): 18/08/2016-05/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 150MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 05/01/2017-16/01/2017
WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG (M) TAB (Bupropion-Wellbutrin): 16/01/2017-05/2018
SERTRALINE TEVA 50MG TAB (Sertraline): 29/05/2017-
SERENADA 50 MG TAB (Sertraline): 03/07/2017-16/07/2018
ARIPLY 5MG<><>(28) TAB (Aripiprazole): 17/06/2018-24/06/2018
BRINTELLIX (M) 10MG TAB 28 (Vortioxetine): 24/06/2018-16/07/2018
CLONEX 0.5 MG TAB (Clonazepam): 29/05/2017-16/07/2018 when needed not constant

May 2018 cold turkey: SERENADA 50 MG TAB, WELLBUTRIN XR 300MG TAB, SERTRALINE TEVA 100 MG TAB. June 2018 - partial reinstatement: ARIPLY 5 MG TAB, BRINTELLIX 10 MG TAB, SERENADA 50 MG TAB. July 16 2018 - cold turkey again. October 4 2018 - reinstatement: SERTRALINE TEVA ~ 0-25 MG TAB Overall: 29/01/14 - 16/07/18 + 27 days >>>> 4 years, 6 months, 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes. 

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Aside from the questionable brain damage, we've seen cannabis products and THC can have unpredictable effects on people whose nervous systems have been sensitized by psychiatric drugs mishaps.

 

This is one of those "try at your own risk" things. Please be aware if your experiment goes wrong, we probably can't help except to remind you to hang on while your nervous system settles down.

 

Because of this, we ask people not to encourage others to experiment with cannabis products, THC, adaptogenics, nootropics, and gray market drugs. Please learn from bad experiences. If you persist in making yourself worse by taking these substances or drinking alcohol, we may ask you to leave because there's nothing we can do for people who make their own problems.

 

If you find any of these things help, you may be lucky but it's very unlikely you've found a cure. As I said, results are unpredictable.


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Shortened quote:

 

On 11/18/2020 at 3:56 PM, Asi1309 said:

 

The reason I've used the word cannabis is because I've used both a joint, medical marijuana, and full spectrum oil, and isolated oil.

Turns out that there is thc even in full spectrum and isolate CBD. (Per research)

 

...

 

 

I don’t need to imagine.  I’ve been through akathisia.  I have also had a severe grand mal seizure, and several years of cluster headaches—the latter of which has been described as the #1 most painful medical condition known to humanity.  I can tell you that in terms of severity, akathisia is right up there.  It’s similar to cluster headaches, in some ways.  The agitation is similar.  The fear is similar.  The restlessness is similar.  I’m not downplaying your experience.

 

I agree with what you’re saying about this public health problem.  But you have to separate that problem from your problem.  You are empowered to solve your issues.  The fact that you don’t have a solution yet doesn’t mean there is no solution out there.  

 

I may have something of a different perspective here because my seizure precipitated my cluster headaches, which in turn precipitated a number of invasive treatments and then ultimately the Lexapro Rx.  The Lexapro Rx and withdrawal process caused me to start aggressively researching my condition, delving into scientific papers and questioning everything my doctors were doing.  I came to my medical appointments with lists of questions to ask, and I got second opinions if their answers weren’t sufficient.  

 

The Lexapro withdrawal was terrible, but it was also a godsend.  It prompted me to find solutions to my problems—both to the withdrawal-related issues and to my cluster headaches, which had been chronic for several years.  It stopped me from relying on others to solve my issues for me.  So no, I am not a victim.  That stopped in 2018.  I rejected helplessness, and I found solutions on my own (with the help of doctors).  

 

Mindset is everything.  If you allow yourself the luxury of despair, despair is what you’ll get.  If you allow yourself to think you’re a victim of an incurable condition—well, that’s what you’re going to have.  

 

Adopt a growth mindset, “become [an expert] in the thing that’s threatening you,” and you can beat this.

 

The power of yet | Carol S Dweck | TEDxNorrköping

 

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“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”

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17 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Because of this, we ask people not to encourage others to experiment with cannabis products, THC, adaptogenics, nootropics, and gray market drugs. Please learn from bad experiences. If you persist in making yourself worse by taking these substances or drinking alcohol, we may ask you to leave because there's nothing we can do for people who make their own problems.

 

If you find any of these things help, you may be lucky but it's very unlikely you've found a cure. As I said, results are unpredictable.

 

It’s generally unsafe to take any substance without talking to your doctors.  I’ve removed the “current” part of my medication signature.  I don’t want people getting the idea that they should experiment.

 


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Generally, talking to your doctors about withdrawal syndrome yields no useful advice whatsoever. We urge people to use common sense.


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24 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Generally, talking to your doctors about withdrawal syndrome yields no useful advice whatsoever. We urge people to use common sense.

 

I've had this happen too, but in my (very limited) experience, some doctors seem to be better at listening than others.  I keep thinking of Stuart Shipko or Peter Gotzsche - obviously these are some of the public ones, but my most recent MD has been open-minded to the idea of a withdrawal syndrome.  He helped me find the right kind of magnesium, omega 3, etc. (this is not an endorsement!)  Looking back, it might have been helpful to get a second opinion sooner.  Common sense is 100% a good guidepost.  


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I should have said doctors who have any understanding of withdrawal syndrome are few and far between. I wonder where yours got the information about magnesium and omega 3.


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