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52 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

CBD inhibits the cytochrome P450 enzyme, which is involved in metabolizing many drugs.

 

 

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TreeElf

I had a severe reaction to one dose of CBD paste back in May. Absolutely horrific delirious panic that left me exhausted for about a week. I probably took too much for a first attempt, and was also only 6 months or so into withdrawal so yeah. Honestly, I've been smoking cannabis every day (except maybe one or two) for the past year, all through withdrawal. Not all day, often just in the evenings. But pretty much every day. It's probably exacerbated some things, although during good periods I don't notice many negative effects. The big thing is that it's helped me sleep, but the couple of days I went without it I struggled to, which concerned me a bit.

 

I used to be a heavy cocaine user, and in the past few years have stopped all drugs including alcohol earlier this year, and cigarettes the year before. I also have a pretty strict diet. It sounds pathetic but I've been terrified to stop smoking cannabis, as it's the only thing I look forward to most days. Without it I don't feel like I'll have anything to depend on to get me through. Typical addiction mindset really. It's not the weed itself that's the problem really, it's that my life has become so incredibly restricted I have very little I can rely on for escapism or mild dopamine rush. Ugh. I think I have to stop smoking it, it can't be helping some things.

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Centime

About a month ago I started taking CBD extract to help me sleep. I’ve had insomnia for years. My sister has a medical marijuana license because she has Parkinsons’, and a friend who lives in NM where pot is legal recommended the same source (Honey Stag Hemp). After having been on various psych meds over the years for sleep (Seroquel, Klonopin), I’m really surprised that it works. My sleep is much, much better. It’s also supposed to help with anxiety, but I haven’t noticed that yet.

 

I find that marijuana is the only thing that works for my relentless nausea as I go through withdrawal (from Paxil). It gives me a little energy and helps me get through times when I would simply rather be unconscious. Of course I’d rather not take anything, but am grateful for the small relief it gives me. 

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lalala
On 12/20/2018 at 12:24 PM, JanCarol said:

From the same article: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/article/supplements-articles/how-to-use-cbd-oil/

 

CBD as Anti-Inflammatory:

 

 

I just started to taper klonopin .5  a few months ago and having very poor sleep wired and tired,  and I had insomnia the  last 2 years from discontinuing ssri and starting others and ct paxil after 4 months  so i'm not sure my chances  of improvement in the sleep area,I was suggested to take cbd with terpenes...  what are your thoughts?

I took an antihistamine and that made me ill the next day and sleep was awful...chemicals make me sick

any help appreciated...x

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JackieDecides

I have tried vaping CBD for anxiety and insomnia and it hasn't helped me at all. but everybody is different. 

when I am not having anxiety I like whole cannabis - in small amounts - just for fun, but none at all when anxious. 

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JanCarol
1 hour ago, lalala said:

I was suggested to take cbd with terpenes...  what are your thoughts?

 

All of us - benzo sufferers, antidepressant sufferers, antispychotic strugglers - ALL of us have struggled with sleep.

 

Thinking that a thing is going to *fix* sleep is an illusion.  These drugs hit right at the heart of sleep.  It will get better, but thinking that you have to do something about it is - illusory.

Some of us have survived on 5 minute naps throughout the day, others of us get extremely cranky and struggle to get an hour or two a day.  It is a phase that one goes through when trying to come off the drugs.

By all means feel free to try the CBD, but ensure you are getting a good quality product.  There are a lot of snake oil salesmen in CBD land, as it's the "latest greatest thing" in the USA.  It is expensive to get the good stuff.  I found it extremely helpful for pain and sleep, but also found that it was going to cost me $190 a month to get the right doses of the right product.  I used a bottle of 1500 mg. tincture every 2 weeks.  That was one full dropper 2x a day.   The brand was Nature's Love  in Colorado.  


Your mileage may vary, and perhaps you are one of those who can get by on a few drops a day.  Consumer Lab studied CBD and found that efficacy was around the 300 mg range.  (I was taking 100 mg per day).  Many people claim to get good results from less, some as little as 25 mg per day.  

I would try it again, with an effort to keep the doses down, but I would probably drift back up to that expensive and effective range.  At $95 / bottle (plus the hassle of getting CBD to Australia), this experiment will have to wait.

Let us know what you try and if you get results!

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lalala
On 1/30/2019 at 3:21 PM, JanCarol said:

 

All of us - benzo sufferers, antidepressant sufferers, antispychotic strugglers - ALL of us have struggled with sleep.

 

Thinking that a thing is going to *fix* sleep is an illusion.  These drugs hit right at the heart of sleep.  It will get better, but thinking that you have to do something about it is - illusory.

Some of us have survived on 5 minute naps throughout the day, others of us get extremely cranky and struggle to get an hour or two a day.  It is a phase that one goes through when trying to come off the drugs.

By all means feel free to try the CBD, but ensure you are getting a good quality product.  There are a lot of snake oil salesmen in CBD land, as it's the "latest greatest thing" in the USA.  It is expensive to get the good stuff.  I found it extremely helpful for pain and sleep, but also found that it was going to cost me $190 a month to get the right doses of the right product.  I used a bottle of 1500 mg. tincture every 2 weeks.  That was one full dropper 2x a day.   The brand was Nature's Love  in Colorado.  


Your mileage may vary, and perhaps you are one of those who can get by on a few drops a day.  Consumer Lab studied CBD and found that efficacy was around the 300 mg range.  (I was taking 100 mg per day).  Many people claim to get good results from less, some as little as 25 mg per day.  

I would try it again, with an effort to keep the doses down, but I would probably drift back up to that expensive and effective range.  At $95 / bottle (plus the hassle of getting CBD to Australia), this experiment will have to wait.

Let us know what you try and if you get results!

I know... unfortunately I have had insomnia for 2 year, do to tapering, stopping  and taking ssri's  and to top it off, I  took klonopin which stopped working after  a month  or less  stayed on it to stabilize  and now weaning of after 5 months and having terrible insomnia once more... I tried antihistamines  made me sick... i hope it does help I dont have lots of alternatives...

I had done my research,  I found some companies from the Uk  well priced... 

I guess you are off everything which is a smarter choice to try  cbd but heard mixed stories mostly successful 

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JanCarol

Hello,

On 5/7/2018 at 1:25 AM, Centime said:

Does anyone have any info about the interaction of marijuana and SSRIs?

 

Yes, Consumer Lab just posted their update on interactions.  This is from behind a paywall, but I have re-ordered and retyped it, and it's only a small exerpt:

 

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Be aware the CBD may interact with other medications that…are metabolized in the body by cytochrome P450 enzymes CYP3A4 and CYP2C19.  By competing for these enzymes, CBD can reduce the metabolism of such drugs, raising their blood levels and possibly requiring downward adjustment of their doses.  For example, several hundred milligrams of CBD daily in epilepsy trials have caused sizeable increases in levels of the epilepsy medications clobazam, valproic acid, levitriracetam, felbamate, lamotrigine, and zonisamide (U.S. Department of Health; Yamaori, Life Sci 2011; Iffland, Cannabis Cannabinoid Res 2017).  Adding 50 mg to 300 mg of CBD to day per treatment with the epilepsy drug brivaracetam was found to increase blood levels of brivaracetam by as much as 95% to 280% (Klotz, Epilepsia 2019).  For the same reason, CBD may increase the blood-thinning effects of warfarin (Coumadin, Jantoven).  This was observed in a man with post-stroke epilepsy taking warfarin:  His INR (a measure of how long it takes blood to clot) began increasing several weeks after starting CBD (Epidiolex, Greenwich Biosciences, Inc.) for his seizures.  His CBD dosgin started with several hundred milligrams daily and increased to over 1,000 mg., at which point his warfarin dose had been reduced by approximately 30% (Grayson, Epilepsy Behav Case Rep 2017).  These effects are dose-dependent, and it’s possible that lower doses of CBD (single digits or tens of milligrams daily), as in many products in this (Consumer Labs Review) will have more modest effects.  Nevertheless if you take medications metabolized by these enzymes, including:

 

·         Macrolide antibiotics such as clarithromycin (Biaxin) and azithromycin (Zithromax), cyclosporine (Sandimmune),

 

·         Sildenafil (Viagra)

 

·         Certain statin medications such as atorvastatin (Lipitor) and simvastatin (Zocor), rosuvastatin (Crestor)

 

·         Testosterone, progesterone

 

·         Cardiac medications (blood pressure & others) Nifedipine (Procardia XL), metoprolol (Lopressor, Toprol XL), flecainide (Tambocor), clipidogrel (Plavix), propranolol (Inderal LA), losartan (Cozaar), valsartan (Diovan)

 

·         The proton pump inhibitor drug omeprazole (Zegerid, Prilosec OTC)

 

·         The antipsychotic drug risperidone (Risperdal)

 

·         Ondansetron (Zofran)

 

·         Paroxetine (Paxil), fluoxetine (Prozac), fluvoxamine (Luvox)

 

·         Carisoprodol (Soma)

 

·         Cancer drugs cyclophosphamide (Cytoxin), enzalutamide (Xtandi – also an anti-androgen)

 

·         Anti-fungal drugs fluconazole (Diflucan), ketoconazole (Nozoral, Xolegel, Extina) (this drug increased CBD blood levels)

 

·         Antiretroviral efavirenz (Sustiva, Stocrin)

 

·         NSAIDS celecoxib (Celebrex), naproxen (Aleve)

 

·         Diabetes drug (whole class) sulfonylureas (Amaryl, Glynase)

 

 

Additionally, a dangerous synthetic cannabinoid (AB-FUBINACA) has been found in CBD products, including e-cigarette fluid and incense, as well as CBD oil purchased from a “reputable online distributor from Colorado) which can increase seizures, cause agitation, delirium, dilated pupils and rapid heartbeat.  Consumer Labs will screen for synthetic cannabinoids in future tests.

 

 

Please note how many of the psych drugs - "mood stabilisers," "antipsychotics," and "antidepressants" are included in this.  Taking CBD while going through withdrawal, especially during tapering, could very well alter the dose you are getting.

 

 

On 9/20/2018 at 12:09 AM, Sampo said:

have someone here tried Kannaway's Pure Gold? It is THC-free oil.

 

Consumer Lab reports that Kannaway "Revive" was not recommended as it did not contain enough CBD.  0.5% of the oil in the bottle was CBD.  Their "Pure Gold" might be stronger, however, if they skimp on one product, they might skimp on their others.  It's a wild west of CBD oils, and there are many oils which either a) don't advertise the potency of their product, or b) don't provide the potency that they claim on the label.  I would posit that Kannaway is one of these, and if they do it on one product, I don't trust any of their products.

 

On 12/13/2018 at 7:21 AM, Annesj said:

Is this CBD without thc you are refering to?


Yes.
 

These supplements are expensive!  A subscription to Consumer Labs is not.  You will waste a lot less money if you subscribe to Consumer Labs and follow their reports and recommendations.   

 

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woof

Hello All,

I completed my Valium withdrawal about 4 months ago and am doing very well; my neuro-emotions are back to normal...at least for me. 🙄

 

At this point my only issue is that I used to enjoy cannabis from time to time.  I live in a Cannabis friendly state and about a month ago I tried some cannabis and while it did make me relax and want to go to sleep, I experienced no euphoria or sense of well being, both of which I would always experience with cannabis prior to the past 4 years when I began on this hellish journey of Cymbalta and Valium problems.  

 

Is anyone aware of this being a problem post benzo (or AD CT and full reinstatement) withdrawal problem?  Or does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might gain more knowledge regarding this issue? 

 

Thank you,

Woof

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ChessieCat
32 minutes ago, woof said:

while it did make me relax and want to go to sleep, I experienced no euphoria or sense of well being, both of which I would always experience with cannabis prior to the past 4 years

 

Instead of seeking the same experience that you got years ago, I would be very thankful that you didn't experience anything bad.

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woof

Hello ChessieCat,

I do, I really do appreciate the fact that I have just come from a few years of hell. 

 

And I am thankful everyday that anxiety has finally completely left me, I can enjoy things again and that I sleep everynight. 🙏

 

Thanks Woof,

Woof😀

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JackieDecides
On 8/18/2019 at 8:07 AM, woof said:

Hello ChessieCat,

I do, I really do appreciate the fact that I have just come from a few years of hell. 

 

And I am thankful everyday that anxiety has finally completely left me, I can enjoy things again and that I sleep everynight. 🙏

 

Thanks Woof,

Woof😀

 

 

I love to read about success as I am not quite there yet but hope to be.  I never had so much trouble with anxiety BEFORE I was put on SSRIs! I look forward to being free from it and it's already a lot better.

 

and regular sleep:  what a blessing. 

 

I have the same relationship with cannabis - and with coffee! - as you: I used to enjoy it and I'd like to do so again. 

same as with coffee, I find a small amount is sometimes OK and sometimes not and I probably should be waiting until I am free from anxiety all together (at least regularly) to "enjoy in moderation" again. 

 

that said, are you paying attention to strains, besides dose, and how you take it? I know that I find edibles a more mild high, but they last longer.  there was a time I considered 10 mg of TCH to be "one dose" and now that is way too much. even 5 mg can be too much, but with tinctures I can get smaller doses. since you are in a legal state, do you talk to staff at dispensaries about this?

 

 

 

 

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SeasideDiva

JanCarol,

I think I'm going to try CBD oil for my newly acquired, over the top anxiety that sprang up when I thought I might try a different blood pressure medicine (ACE inhibitor) in the "hopes" that my current Beta blocker might be contributing to my "normal" anxiety/depressive symptoms. I had a major meltdown (crying, panicky, digestive issues) and went back on the beta blocker (which supposedly helps with anxiety) but my anxiety seems to be stuck on the fight or flight mode most of the day. The doc gave me an additional small dose of another Beta blocker to try with my regular dose, as  I have refused the current tranquilizer options (but I'm starting to consider ANYTHING to get out of this hell.) I have taken it only for 2 days, and thought maybe it helped a bit yesterday, but today again I'm with the racing heart and panicky feeling. At the same time I am buying/selling a house, and though it's a positive thing and things are going smoothly, I have barely been able to handle it or enjoy that I seem to be leaving a place that depresses me. All this has brought on daily persistent obsessive thoughts that make me think they will continue to return and my life won't be livable any more. Of course my sleep is disrupted even more so, and the fatigue contributes. Sorry for the long explanation, but I haven't written here in a long time, and I found your comment and how you are helped by CBD oil. From what I gather from what I read, there was an opinion that the "type 3 CBD dominant" with little THC seemed to be considered the most effective. I can't think straight or absorb all the info, so I'm hoping you can lead me in the right direction, though we are all different of course. I intend to go to a local dispensary and start at a low dose. And input is greatly appreciated.

 

Not sure where my signature is ?? but i was on SSRi's for over 20 years and quit over a 2 week period. Just passed my 4 year mark of drug-free, and would happily have stayed on them had I known the hell awaiting me. By the time I found this site it was too late to re-instate, or I surely would have. Only quit because I thought it might be healthier for me. Dear god. My feelings now are I would have never gone on them in the first place, but also would never have gone off knowing what I know.

 

Just saw my signature appear when I submitted this...I am now almost 68 years old.

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Topic title:  CBD: Does it help?

 

I'm sure this question has been posed in this forum, but I'm curious to know of anyone's experience with CBD oil during the tapering process, to assist with issues like sleep and anxiety.

 

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Harriet8
On 1/19/2015 at 3:32 PM, cymbaltawithdrawal5600 said:

BTW, we don't recommend ANY psychotropic drugs in wd or even after. Once sensitized, probably always so.

A new doctor I am seeing (and not sure of yet) is suggesting I try medical cannabis (with no THC).  His argument is that it will help with the imbalance and over-excitation of my brain and nervous system.  I have posted on the marijuana wd page....  He is suggesting it would support me in withdrawal from my meds.  I am very wary.  I am so unstable as things stand that I am housebound and my life is razed to the ground.  But my instinct is that it will make withdrawal more complicated, certainly harder to manage.  My understanding is that this is to do with metabolism, the enzymes in the liver, and these possibly altering how I experience the doses of my medications.  e.g. that taking 40 mg Citalopram could feel like taking 80mg (depending on whether I am a slow metaboliser or not - apparently I can do a blood test for this)?

 

Harriet8

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Harriet8
On 1/26/2015 at 8:02 PM, Rhiannon said:

I would really like to see what the non-THC cannabinoids can do. I don't want to spend my life high, but if I could get some help for chronic pain and PTSD without being high...well, I'd take a look at it anyway. Although after what I've learned from psych drugs I'm pretty gunshy about doing anything with neurotransmitters.

Hi Rhiannon,

Just looked at your drug signature.  I'm where you were at in the lost everything phase.  Also have CPTSD.  Would you have used it in withdrawal?  I have possibility of trying non-THC cannabinoids.  But is pilot study.  Doc who is keen on Esketamine.  Linked to companies excited about huge profits to be made.  Scary.  Trying to consider ahead of consultation tomorrow.  My instinct is not to do it.  But my life is ruined by my symptoms.  If it provided some amelioration of them, it could be worth it.  But would most certainly make withdrawal very complicated.

 

Appreciate your opinion.  Realise posting a lot today but feeling very alone and vulnerable.

 

Thank you,

 

Harriet8

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Kimboslice

Great advice by the looks of it..

 

One of the things that bothers me is I’m a daily hash smoker (a light cannabis resin) and this must effect my CNS. 

 

Can anyone  recommend  how to cut back on a recreational drug like this and to ensure I’m not throwing my CNS completely out of whack?

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On 11/18/2019 at 4:01 PM, Glynboslice said:

Great advice by the looks of it..

 

One of the things that bothers me is I’m a daily hash smoker (a light cannabis resin) and this must effect my CNS. 

 

Can anyone  recommend  how to cut back on a recreational drug like this and to ensure I’m not throwing my CNS completely out of whack?

 

A few years ago I took a long tolerance break after years of daily usage and now use much less frequently.  r/leaves over at redd it has good tips on how to quit, obviously you would need to review and glean what's actually useful there, but it's also helpful for cutting down.  I found the tolerance break was a good prep for tapering, I got acquainted with coping with derealisation, low moods, suppressed emotions emerging etc and wound up with a much better baseline.  Cheers

 

P.S probably worth searching for an existing thread about curbing the herb habit, or starting a new one if you can't find it 🙂

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Kimboslice
12 hours ago, hayduke said:

 

A few years ago I took a long tolerance break after years of daily usage and now use much less frequently.  r/leaves over at redd it has good tips on how to quit, obviously you would need to review and glean what's actually useful there, but it's also helpful for cutting down.  I found the tolerance break was a good prep for tapering, I got acquainted with coping with derealisation, low moods, suppressed emotions emerging etc and wound up with a much better baseline.  Cheers

 

P.S probably worth searching for an existing thread about curbing the herb habit, or starting a new one if you can't find it 🙂

 

Well it’s funny.  Up until 18 months ago I had hardly smoked for 7 years.. I genuinely didn’t expect that i’d be anymore than an “on the odd occasion” smoker ever again but fell back in love after restarting on the solid rather than high grade.  The low level chill isn’t anywhere near as encompassing as the green.

 

When quitting previously i’ve gone cold turkey which consisted of a rough 2 weeks, lacking in sleep, having craziest dreams when I did  but nothing overly debilitating. That’s how a withdrawal should be😂. My worry atm is this method could be too harsh during SSRI withdrawal. I’ll have a look online and maybe try some intermittent periods of down time and we’ll see how it goes. 

 

Have you found cutting down to be a benefit to yourself during the withdrawal process in terms of symptoms and recovery? What differences have you noticed?

 

 

 

 

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Altostrata

@Kimboslice @hayduke see above discussion.

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17 hours ago, Glynboslice said:

Have you found cutting down to be a benefit to yourself during the withdrawal process in terms of symptoms and recovery? What differences have you noticed?

 

Yeah, it's definitely improved my lucidity and daily functioning, social interactions, work etc.  None of that 'did I do that right or are they weirded out?' dopiness.  Again my baseline state of mind is better, and this is helpful to establish during wds.  I'm not sure I would've been in a position to do the deep healing work I've done this year if I hadn't, too.  Anything that masks your emotions is by definition in the way there.

 

Plus when you give up, you get to know the demon properly eh 🙂

 

I still find it has value after say a hellish week at work, or at a party, but I tend to use thoughtfully now and again rather than just out of habit lately.

 

I have a strong preference for high CBD strains when I can get them - high THC tends to be psychotomimetic which is probably not what you usually want.  There was a good BBC doco piece on that some years ago.

 

Breaking habits is a good discipline in general

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Cherio

Pot makes depression and anxiety worse. Makes you lazy and unmotivated and can make a mess of any mental illness a million times worse. Why bother....it is no miracle maker.

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I wouldn’t mess with cbd, I have yet to find any that doesn’t make me feel a bit high, pure cbd without thc seems impossible to find, plus it just made me hungry, no positive effects really. 

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20 minutes ago, Ryguy said:

I wouldn’t mess with cbd, I have yet to find any that doesn’t make me feel a bit high, pure cbd without thc seems impossible to find, plus it just made me hungry, no positive effects really. 

I agree

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Rhiannon
On 10/26/2019 at 8:25 AM, Harriet8 said:

Hi Rhiannon,

Just looked at your drug signature.  I'm where you were at in the lost everything phase.  Also have CPTSD.  Would you have used it in withdrawal?  I have possibility of trying non-THC cannabinoids.  But is pilot study.  Doc who is keen on Esketamine.  Linked to companies excited about huge profits to be made.  Scary.  Trying to consider ahead of consultation tomorrow.  My instinct is not to do it.  But my life is ruined by my symptoms.  If it provided some amelioration of them, it could be worth it.  But would most certainly make withdrawal very complicated.

 

Appreciate your opinion.  Realise posting a lot today but feeling very alone and vulnerable.

 

Thank you,

 

Harriet8

 @Harriet8, did you try the CBD? I just came across this post. 

 

I did try using cannabis in withdrawal. It helped with sleep but I didn't like the other effects. I'm not sure, I think it might have made the cortisol mornings worse, although those were (and still are) kind of unpredictable so it was hard to come up with any cause and effect. Mostly I didn't like the mind altering effects when I was in withdrawal. That was before the current situation where you can get the legal CBD oils that you can get now with no THC in them.

 

I recently tried CBD to help with my gut issues. I think it helped the first couple of days but after that I haven't noticed much difference. From what I've been reading you need a pretty high dose to do much, and that costs more money than I want to spend.

 

I think medicinal cannabis has a lot of potential for good things but there are also downsides and a lot of research needs to be done. Also, since it acts on neurotransmitters, there are always going to be tolerance effects. And it seems like it could potentially be as neuro-disruptive as the psych drugs we all know and hate. I think there will always be tradeoffs, but then that's pretty much true in all of life.

 

Anyway, how is it going for you?

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1 hour ago, Rhiannon said:

 @Harriet8, did you try the CBD? I just came across this post. 

 

I did try using cannabis in withdrawal. It helped with sleep but I didn't like the other effects. I'm not sure, I think it might have made the cortisol mornings worse, although those were (and still are) kind of unpredictable so it was hard to come up with any cause and effect. Mostly I didn't like the mind altering effects when I was in withdrawal. That was before the current situation where you can get the legal CBD oils that you can get now with no THC in them.

 

I recently tried CBD to help with my gut issues. I think it helped the first couple of days but after that I haven't noticed much difference. From what I've been reading you need a pretty high dose to do much, and that costs more money than I want to spend.

 

I think medicinal cannabis has a lot of potential for good things but there are also downsides and a lot of research needs to be done. Also, since it acts on neurotransmitters, there are always going to be tolerance effects. And it seems like it could potentially be as neuro-disruptive as the psych drugs we all know and hate. I think there will always be tradeoffs, but then that's pretty much true in all of life.

 

Anyway, how is it going for you?

Hi @Rhiannon,

 

Thank you for your message.  Much appreciated.

 

No, I didn't go ahead with the CBD.  I considered it because I am quite severely disabled by my condition.  But I concluded that it would just make withdrawal more complicated.  Plus, having experienced life-changing effects of psych meds, I am wary of putting anything else into my system which acts on neurotransmitters.

 

To be honest, I feel so stuck and alone.  One of the biggest challenges I face is that my withdrawal over recent years (which was too quick - and on the back of a long history, including drugs which should never have been prescribed together....) has resulted in my becoming dependent.  I tried living with carers for a while to see if I could manage to stay in my own home but I couldn't make it work.  So now I'm in another country, staying with my parents but that is proving extremely hard.  My greatest wish at the moment is to be able to establish myself somewhere, settle; to be able to let go of the constant worry of where and how to live.  I don't know if others on this site have been rendered dependent by the effects of psych meds?  It is proving so hard.  Has me back in my family of origin where my trauma began, different medical system, language...... I have sunk very low indeed and am trying to find a way up and out.  Being single and having lost my community entirely, it is so difficult to know how to help myself.  My nervous system needs stability.  I need it.  I also need access to meds, a doctor to prescribe them, and some way of creating some community again.  Very challenging times - which is why your message and kind enquiry feels so welcome.  

 

Best wishes to you,

 

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Chochka
On 9/14/2018 at 5:06 PM, manymoretodays said:

Mod note:  previous page 9 of this topic-reconstructed

 

Raye

Seattle, U.S.

Posted March 3 2018

Dose this apply to THC to? I guess it would not be a good idea to smoke then at all if it raises levels in the blood, would you agree?

Yea the only things i find on the web is “maybe it raises the antidepressant level” or “minor side effects"

it makes me sad about the weed, to be honest, because it used to really helped me feel calm : P

 

LinLina

Germany

Posted March 3, 2018

I don't know about the thc, but it's not advisable to consume weed with high thc and very low cbd for calming down, as it is likely to trigger anxiety and other symptoms. CBD is the component that's responsible for the calming effect, alone or in combination with thc. I agree it would be better to stay away from cannabis at least until you got the drug out of the system. It is very likely that taking CBD and fluvoxamine together are going to raise blood levels significantly, they are both inhibitors of the degrading enzymes. Did you smoke weed while you were on fluvoxamine before? I mean, it is your decision and I would decide carefully.

 

The problem is, besides the possibility of adverse effects when taking the two together, you are going to counteract your taper, because reducing the dose while increasing bloodlevels by smoking weed possibly won't help your body to adjust to a lower amount of the drug.

 

Raye

March 5, 2018

I used to smoke on fluvoxamine but stopped when I found out it isn’t good for taper. I didn’t experience many bad effects then because I used to be on a high dose of fluvoxamine so I don’t think I felt the difference when it increased. There were a few times I greened out however (on not a super high dose of weed either)  and I think looking back this was because the fluvaomine in me caused the weed to increase  and have a really strong effect. That was a terrible experience, took about 5 hours to come down at all.  I plan on not smoking at all as I’m coming off the antidepressant.

Its legal where I live and a store in about every city, but its expensive, so good to save money. 

 

I would definitely agree tho, that if tapering from any drug, its probably best to not add another into the mix, unless you know you can. 

 

Athena

Canada

Posted March 17, 2018

Bromor, Ang, Indigo, Apace41 and others... How are you guys with your experiments with CBD? Would you recommend it for a severe insomnia that is lasting 8months on a very tired and desperate lady? Thank you so much

 

apace41

Washington, DC

March 17

Hi, Athena.  CBD has been beneficial for some and not so much for others.  With products not containing THC I have not heard many (if any) "horror stories" where people see a major worsening that doesn't correct promptly if they stop the CBD.  The trade-off for what seems to be a relatively small risk is that there have been several members who have gained a lot of benefit with sleep and anxiety.

 

Nobody can tell you what to try but I think CBD is at least a reasonable option to try at a very low level to see if it might provide some relief.  Again, with NO THC in the mix (or at least below the levels that require a prescription).

 

Best,

 

Andy

 

Athena

March 18

Thank you so much for this nice summary on CBD Andy, it helps me a lot. I might give it a try, but there is also milk peptides I haven't tried and might try first. But here is what I would order if I try the CBD, available in Canada:  https://www.cannabiscare.ca/collections/concentrates/cbd-concentrates/

I think I would try the BRONZE one (500mg) because the only one that is less concentrate is not strong enough for insomnia according to them. And I would try with ONE DROP first. They say there is less than 0.3% THC so that should be ok I think.

 

I will let you guys know if I try it.

 

SquirrelyGirl

near Fresno, CA

Posted March 24. 2018

I updated my Intro about this but wanted to add here, if you are still taking meds, do NOT take CBD oil!

 

I think I triggered a mild, though terrifying, case of serotonin syndrome!  I started taking 5 mg of CBD oil to help with sleep without doing my research first.  For a few nights things went well and I did sleep better.  But then I began to feel low.  This was on the tail end of the flu, as well.  Monday I was feeling low.  Tuesday I had to go to a memorial, and I didn't want to go, went anyway, found myself feeling more glum.  Wednesday, I was really in the dumps and feeling very lonely and ruminative.  Thursday was worse, with sleep degrading again.  I couldn't find any way to distract myself that felt good, and was revisiting all the negatives in my life, obsessing on my lack of friends, my introversion, the future, all the  things I can't get done around here,  feeling totally overwhelmed.  Friday was the same, fully depressed and fearing my future.  Getting through the day alone was torture. Last night I woke early and no amount of tapping could get me back to sleep, and every worry came to the fore.  When I got up, I was starving, yet when my husband made me breakfast, I could barely eat it.  Mildly nauseous afterwards.  Blood pressure is up a little.  I wish I'd thought to take it a day or two ago but wasn't aware of what was happening.  It did occur to me that the CBD oil was doing this so stopped it a couple of nights ago, but strange that things kept building.   I'm on 6 mg venlafaxine and 2.9 mg mirtazapine, so maybe it took a few days for the full blocking of the p450 enzymes since I was only taking 5 or so mg, and then additional time for the venlafaxine to build up to cause the SS.  I am hoping this is the explanation and that levels are now dropping off as the p450 system gets unblocked and the venlafaxine can clear.

 

This has been hell.  I am hoping this is the explanation and not that I have fallen into instability due to tapering, because if that's the case, I just don't know...the thoughts that go with this are pretty scary!  But it really does remind me of my SS episode in 2015.

 

SG

 

I am in the middle of what I think is a bad reaction to CBD. I've been off all drugs for 3 1/2 years and was still in withdrawal when I started using a very low dose of CBD a few months ago on and off. It seemed to be working for anxiety so about 3 months ago I started using a strong dose daily. I used it for about 2 months before realising that it was making me very drowsy so I stopped about a month ago. I've got a lot worse since then and have felt like I did when I first stopped the antidepressants. WHen you had your bad reaction how long did it take for you to get over it? I'm worried that I've put myself back to the beginning again and will take another 3 years to get back to where I was 3 months ago.

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hayduke

Hi @Chochka, maybe tapering off the CBD would be better.

 

Last time I took a tolerance break for three months it was quite challenging, especially with work, and it took about that long for derealisation, irritability, emotions resurfacing, sensitivity to light and sound etc to settle back down and feel ok without the weed.  I had been smoking fairly low amounts but on most days for years before that.

 

Now that was THC/CBD but if the CBD has been calming and sedating for you I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite effects on quitting suddenly.  I would give it a couple of months before I started worrying too much.

 

I have used it very lightly again and less frequently over the last year or two, but started having paradoxical effects from it as I reached 1.25mg in my olanzapine taper, so have more or less cut out weed again the last few weeks.  Grumpy, a bit of derealisation etc...but after say two weeks I'm feeling more or less ok again. 

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Sleepan

I read that a study found Cannabis at low doses decreases Cortisol and Stress.  I've known little and heavy users of Cannabis and I think it is true. I found the info from an article titled "Cannabis does relieve stress, but only at low doses".   

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8 hours ago, Sleepan said:

I read that a study found Cannabis at low doses decreases Cortisol and Stress.  I've known little and heavy users of Cannabis and I think it is true. I found the info from an article titled "Cannabis does relieve stress, but only at low doses".   

 

 

here is a good site for learning about dosing, especially low and micro dose. 

 

healer.com   there are programs you can buy, but there is also a lot of free info there. 

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Sleepan

Thank you for sharing.  I wish it was as easy to lower tolerance to Amitriptyline.  My reinstatement of Amitriptyline is failing.  How do you get your history with AD to appear below quote?

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hayduke
42 minutes ago, Sleepan said:

Thank you for sharing.  I wish it was as easy to lower tolerance to Amitriptyline.  My reinstatement of Amitriptyline is failing.  How do you get your history with AD to appear below quote?

 

Hi Sleepan.

 

Top right of the page, click on your username, choose Account Settings then Signature

 

Cheers

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manymoretodays

  

16 hours ago, GSmythe said:

Thanks for all that info, I'll be sure to explore all those links.

 

To answer your question, during the day I am able to get by but I tire easily and am low energy. Sometimes I'm easily irritated.

 

I took your advice on the supplements. i just got back from the store. Picked up some Omega 3's, Magnesium and Melatonin. After reading your post, when I was at the store, I was shocked to see the dosages they had for the Melatonin. One was a 10mg time release capsule to last all night. I decided to stay away from that because of what you said about starting small. The smallest dosage of Melatonin they had was a 3mg  pill so I picked that up and will just cut the pills up and go from there.

 

I mentioned CBD in my original post, I would like to add some more information in the hopes that it helps someone else by saving them time and money experimenting with CBD. First off there are different types like full spectrum vs broad spectrum. Then there are also different oils that CBD comes mixed with like coconut oil or grape seed oil which affect absorption. You can get sublingual tinctures or capsules or patches or flower(i didn't like that). There is quite a bit of information on CBD out there so do your research. I've tried 2 different brands that I found most effective. The first is a company called Hemp Bombs. I don't care much for that name but the CBD agrees with me. I was in Canada a while back and picked up some CBD called Mary's Medibles. That worked well too. I advise people to stay away from the generics, the no name brands you find on various websites. I've tried a bunch and found them ineffective and a waste of money, but of course everyone is different so your mileage may vary. In the end educate yourself, read the reviews, test things out and see what works for you. When it comes to CBD I've read all kinds of claims about all the problems it helps alleviate, I can't attest to all that, but a lot of those problems have to do with the nervous system, such as anxiety, depression , psychosis, pain, inflammation, etc... I don't know how CBD alleviates all these problems but it does bind to the cannabinoid receptors in your nervous system so perhaps it somehow temporarily resets your nervous system or perhaps it simply masks the problems. In any event with your nervous system being reset or problems masked, the anxiety, depression, psychosis, pain, inflammation, etc... goes away or lessens for a while, until the CBD wears off, your problems come back and you need more. The good news is that CBD isn't addictive, is generally safe and doesn't get you high. I've never heard of anyone having a bad reaction to it although I have heard of people not noticing any difference, but again that may be do to the type and dosage of CBD they tried so if your try it with no results give another kind a try or raise your dosage. I've tried up to 100mg in a day and experience no ill effects. To those experiencing nervous system related problems its worth a shot, I've found it very helpful with many of my Olanzapine withdrawal symptoms.

 

 

 

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hayduke

10 weeks since my last joint, which is such a long standing new year's tradition.

 

Unfortunately at this point in the taper my weed use, though light, was making it harder than it needs to be.

 

Not having any significant cravings, and discomfort from getting off it (mainly some derealisation and a sense of unease with things feeling a bit sharp or brightly lit) passed around a month ago.

 

I have little doubt CBD would've helped at various stages during my olanzapine withdrawals but I don't have to factor in transitioning off that now either.  My main reluctance to start on it was the high cost.  It doesn't feel necessary now.

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