Administrator Altostrata Posted October 24, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 24, 2018 Jill, we've constantly been saying 0.5mg or 1mg. How much Zoloft is in 3mL? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 Ugh... Haven’t done it yet as was waiting for your reply. I meant .3mg i made the solution with equal water to equal grams so .3 ml would mean .3mg, correct? Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Rabe Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Good luck Jill! I wish I could help with the numbers but I have not done that and I dont want to steer you wrong...perhaps wait until things are clearer tomorrow.💜 -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted October 24, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 24, 2018 If you are dissolving the same number of mg in the same number of water each 1mL will equal 1mg dose. Example: 25mg tablet dissolved in 25mL of water, 1mL liquid = 1mg dose So 0.3mL of liquid would equal 0.3mg dose. I hope that clarifies it for you. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
DMV64 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hi Jill! Just looking around and saw your story. Popping in to offer support. It does get better, slowly. : ) -DMV 2001- Klonopin 0.125 mg. 2011- increase to 1 mg. 2018- increase to 1.5 mg 2010- Trials of SSRI's, several. 2011- Saphris 5 mg. CT. 6/2017- retry Saphris 5 mg sublingual, begin taper August 2020 10% taper with scale, and final taper liquid sublingual, August 2019- taper complete! 2011- Geodon 20 mg. Begin taper Sept 2019. 10% liquid taper. 2020: December-5 mg. 2021: Jan-4.5mg. (held Feb.for vacation). March-4mg. Apr-3.6mg. May-3.2mg. June-2.8mg. (Held July for vacation). Aug-2.4mg. Sept.- 2.2mg. Oct. 2mg. Dec 2022 - Taper complete! 2011- Gabapentin 300 mg to present- 2020. Increase 2023 to 400mg. 2014- Vyvanse 20 mg, 2020- Vyvanse 5 mg. Increase August 2022 20mg 2016- Lithium 300 mg, June 2016 - FT. 2017- Cogentin 0.5 mg. June-August 2019- off Cogentin. 2021 - Hydroxyzine 30mg. Holding. Omeprazole 20 mg and holding, Omega 3's/fish oil, Magnesium Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 @ChessieCat @Altostrata thank you both again for the help. I ended up taking the .5 after carefully making the solution. I put in fridge for a few more days of use. Can one of you please direct me on my next steps? How long I do this process, etc? When to move up in my dose? There’s probably a link somewhere but my brain fog is so bad and I have no help in this. Thank you both!! Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 @DMV64 thank you for the encouragement. It seems now I am at the very bottom...But you words mean a lot to me. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 24, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 24, 2018 Keep on taking 0.5mg at the same time each day. Keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. It will take at least 4 days for the drug to reach steady-state in your bloodstream. Let us know how you're doing. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 @Altostrata Day 1 oct 24 9:00- .5 Zoloft 9:30- .25 klonopin- tired and anxiety- paced from 6am to 7pm 6:30- .25 klonopin- pacing is subsiding at 8:00pm 12:00am- lunesta. Slept til 6am able to use breathing and meditation to get through bouts of anxiety. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 Day 2 was same as day 1 Day 3 same except for severe anxiety and severe pacing - worse than usual. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Leo1983 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Jill we have many professionals telling us these DRUGS are poison. They cause injury to the brain. They are no more useful than a sugar pill. Do I go on? If I were you in would get off all the DRUGS as safely as you can. Then I would get a therapist and a friend who you can trust whilst you ride the longest crapest most sh*tty arse ride of your life. The longer you ingest those pills the longer your guna suffer. X May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths. July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific. August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline. March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted October 27, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 27, 2018 Jill, please be patient. Even though we all want to get off our drug/s as quickly as possible, it is very important to do it carefully. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Leo1983 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) We also need remember there are people who are careful who suffer for years. There are less careful people who are fine in 6 Month. Just the same as going on the tablets. It's pot luck. Edited October 27, 2018 by ChessieCat made correction as per member's follow up post May 2016 - Aug 2016 - Prozac 20mg March 2017 - June 2017 - Sertraline 100mg. Horrific withdrawal 5 m onths. July 2017 - Aug 2017 - Mirtazapine 15mg. Horrific. August 2017 - December 2017 Fluoxetine 10mg for 2 weeks ghen Escitalopram 20mg for 12 weeks. Never felt normal since this. Or baseline. March 2018 - June 2018 - Escitalopram 5mg for 12 weeks. Stopped and here i am full of symptoms i never had. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted October 27, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Leo1983 said: Just the same as going on the tablets. It's pot luck. As Altostrata says, we are all an experiment where N=1 * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 27, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 8:13 AM, Jill28 said: @Altostrata Day 1 oct 24 9:00- .5 Zoloft 9:30- .25 klonopin- tired and anxiety- paced from 6am to 7pm 6:30- .25 klonopin- pacing is subsiding at 8:00pm 12:00am- lunesta. Slept til 6am able to use breathing and meditation to get through bouts of anxiety. 9 hours ago, Jill28 said: Day 2 was same as day 1 Day 3 same except for severe anxiety and severe pacing - worse than usual. Jill, when did these more severe symptoms occur? Your symptoms ordinarily go up and down, correct? Please tell us how you're doing tomorrow. I need to know time of day of symptoms, if they ramp up. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 27, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 27, 2018 @Leo1983 please do not mix in here. You're not helping. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 @Altostrata yes, they go up and down, however, pacing seems to be more severe. day 4 all drugs and dosages the same. Waking up earlier (4:00am) . Can lay in bed for a bit as long as I move my legs. 7:00am- akathisia starts and must get up and move. Had to walk 14 hrs straight. Finally relief at 6:30 klonopin dose. Anxiety slightly higher. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 28, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 8:13 AM, Jill28 said: @Altostrata Day 1 oct 24 9:00- .5 Zoloft 9:30- .25 klonopin- tired and anxiety- paced from 6am to 7pm 6:30- .25 klonopin- pacing is subsiding at 8:00pm 12:00am- lunesta. Slept til 6am Jill, please continue to format your daily notes as you did on October 25. Did you take 0.5mg Zoloft at 9 a.m. again? What was your symptom pattern after that until noon? I'm sorry if I asked this before -- why do you take Klonopin on that schedule? Att:@Shep This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Yes, 9:00 - zoloft- .5- very anxious but have been that way all morn since waking at 4am 9:30- klonopin.25- I take bc my dr was trying to stabilize me. I honestly feel like it makes me more anxious (if possible). Per my dr, I am to do lunesta 12am (which I end up pushing back sometimes) klonopin around 8 or so hrs later, then 2nd dose of klonopin 8 or so hrs later. It makes me so tired which gives me anxiety bc I have severe sleep starts. pacing all day day so far . Is is it possible that lunesta (only thing to put me to sleep) causes anxiety? Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 28, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 28, 2018 If you Google "Lunesta anxiety" you will see that one of the common side effects of Lunesta is anxiety. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Feb. 22: 7.6mg Taper is 90% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, anti-candida, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted October 29, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) On 10/25/2018 at 11:13 AM, Jill28 said: Day 1 oct 24 9:00- .5 Zoloft 9:30- .25 klonopin- tired and anxiety- paced from 6am to 7pm 6:30- .25 klonopin- pacing is subsiding at 8:00pm 12:00am- lunesta. Slept til 6am Please add "am" and "pm" to all of your times. You have Cyproheptadine listed in your signature as something you take as needed. Have you taken this recently? Please include it in your drug and symptoms journal if/when you do take it. As Gridley posted, Lunesta can cause anxiety as a side effect. Cyproheptadine can also cause upticks in symptoms such as restlessness (Cyproheptadine - Side Effects). Also, please update your signature to reflect when you reinstated Zoloft (from reading through your thread, it looks like it was October 24 or 25). You may have already seen these links, but if not, please have a read: About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms After Reinstating or Updosing, How Long To Stabilize?Stabilizing after a reduction -- what does that mean? Are We There Yet? How Long is Withdrawal Going to Take? Edited October 29, 2018 by Shep fixed link Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 29, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 11:17 AM, Gridley said: If you Google "Lunesta anxiety" you will see that one of the common side effects of Lunesta is anxiety. This is a very good point. Could be the Lunesta has gone south on you, Jill. We need more detail about your early morning symptoms, before 9 a.m. Let's see what the Zoloft does. Could be 0.5mg is not enough to make a difference. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 @Altostrata @Shep Hi guys... Wanted to update... upon the reinstatement, I got severe brain burn and akathisia went through roof even only on .05 . Couldn't even lay down to take the lunesta . Got off and things have finally settled down. Was too shaky and anxious to even give feedback. I appreciate all your earlier efforts. I am now just going to try to tough it out and heal. I feel I have no other choice. Want to get off the 3 mg of Lunesta and .5 of klonopin that I carelessly look due to being so scared and not researching. Have been on both for 8 weeks. Any suggestions of which one first?😔 Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 3, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 3, 2018 Very sorry to hear that, Jill. Please continue to take the Klonopin regularly on schedule. What are your early morning symptoms? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Ok. My days are always the same again. Here is yesterday and I’ll send each day. 1:00 lunesta- slept til 5:30 (moved time to 1:00 since it only gives me 4 hrs and this way I can stay in bed longer). Feel nauseous upon waking up and eat something for it to go away. Usually have morning anxiety. 9:30- .25 klonopin- makes me tired but naps are all toxic. Paced for 12 hours and some anxiety 5:30- .25 klonopin. - felt better and pacing subsides around 7 8:00- can finally sit in my room and visit with mom. my days are torture. thoughts? Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted November 4, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 4, 2018 Please hold the lunesta and clonazepam for now. Give yourself time to recover from the Zoloft reaction. Some people using both Lunesta and clonazepam will taper the Lunesta first due to its short half life. But it really depends on your ability to sleep. You don't want to remove the Lunesta and stop sleeping. Do you get any sedation from the clonazepam? If so, you may be able to change the clonazepam timing so part of it is taken at night and then taper the Lunesta, but let's give your nervous system a bit more time to stabilize before making any changes. Please keep posting your drug and symptoms journal and we'll see where you're at over the coming days. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 @Shep thank you. The klonopin doesn’t allow for sleep like the lunesta. It makes me jerk awake. I actually fell asleep last night listening to music without the lunesta. Unbelievable. Got 4 hrs- same amount as lunesta gives me. Can you offer a taper plan for it? If I can’t sleep without it, should I just stay on while my body heals and then taper? My symptoms are very severe- akathisia being the worst. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 4, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 4, 2018 23 hours ago, Jill28 said: 9:30- .25 klonopin- makes me tired but naps are all toxic. Paced for 12 hours and some anxiety 5:30- .25 klonopin. - felt better and pacing subsides around 7 8:00- can finally sit in my room and visit with mom. When you take 0.25m Klonopin, is it initially stimulating, but then settles down? How long does it take to settle down? Do this happen with both your Klonopin doses? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 It initially makes me tired which actually causes anxiety (bc I want to drift off and then have an anxiety attack). After about 2 hrs, it calms down and I feel better. It usually only happens with morning dose. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 4, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 4, 2018 Is your 0.25mg dose a whole Klonopin tablet? You haven't taken your evening dose yet, correct? For now, suggest you take 0.125mg (half a tablet) at 5:30 tonight and another 0.125mg (half a tablet) at 7:30 p.m. Take only a half-tablet of Lunesta. Tomorrow, take 0.125mg (half a tablet) at 9 a.m., the other 0.125mg (half a tablet) at 1 p.m., and move 0.125mg to 9 p.m. Schedule: TONIGHT 5:30 p.m. 0.125mg clonazepam 7:30 p.m. 0.125mg clonazepam 1.5mg Lunesta TOMORROW 9 a.m. 0.125mg clonazepam 1 p.m. 0.125mg clonazepam 5:00 p.m 0.125mg clonazepam 9:00 p.m. 0.125mg clonazepam This will spread clonazepam out more evenly across your day, at 4-hour intervals. The smaller doses will hopefully reduce the paradoxical effects (agitation, nervousness, etc.) The nighttime clonazepam may reduce your need for Lunesta, with the intention of phasing out Lunesta. This is temporary. Please keep notes about when you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptom pattern. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted November 4, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jill28 said: The klonopin doesn’t allow for sleep like the lunesta. It makes me jerk awake. I actually fell asleep last night listening to music without the lunesta. Unbelievable. Got 4 hrs- same amount as lunesta gives me. Can you offer a taper plan for it? If I can’t sleep without it, should I just stay on while my body heals and then taper? My symptoms are very severe- akathisia being the worst. Alto's schedule looks very good, Jill. It's possible you don't have that much of a dependency yet on the Lunesta, but please don't stop taking it. You may be able to taper faster than 10% per month due to being on it for 8 weeks and being on a benzodiazepine. Please keep posting your drug and symptoms journal as you follow Alto's schedule. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Ok, thank you both. the klonopin is a .5 pill that I cut in half very accurately. That ok?? will start today. Can I cut the Lunesta in half and take with some melatonin (.5) in case 1.5 doesn’t work? also- can you both offer some words of encouragement? I am completely nonfunctional. Can’t do anything at all until evening. 1) have you seen people heal from this severe a situation? 2)why is evening easier? thx Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted November 4, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jill28 said: the klonopin is a .5 pill that I cut in half very accurately. That ok?? Do the best you can to make it as accurate as possible. It should be fine. Some information: How to cut up tablets or pills (using a pill cutter) 48 minutes ago, Jill28 said: Can I cut the Lunesta in half and take with some melatonin (.5) in case 1.5 doesn’t work? Please don't add melatonin into the mix right now. You're already making changes in the benzo timing while reducing the Lunesta. If the Lunesta doesn't work at that dose, it's best to go back up to your original dose and do a more gradual taper. Melatonin may be something to try at a later time when you're not making these other changes. 49 minutes ago, Jill28 said: 1) have you seen people heal from this severe a situation? All the time. Check out the success stories. 50 minutes ago, Jill28 said: 2)why is evening easier? One theory is you have lower cortisol in the evening, so a lot of people report that evenings are easier. Let us know how you do with these changes. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 4, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 4, 2018 Yes, please start this evening. We often see people who need to balance out their benzo dosing. Good question about the evening: My guess is your morning benzo dose hits your system hard and sets up the paradoxical reaction for several hours. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Jill28 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Thank you both so much. I’m honestly so scared. Two questions: Ive heard splitting the lunesta can cause nausea. Just want confirmation from y’all that that’s not NORMALLY the case. One more item to mention- my sleep is usually so awful. Normally, even with lunesta, I only get 4 hours and wake up quite nauseous. Then, shortly after, the pacing starts. Does the sleep improve over time? One other night a few weeks ago I took melatonin only (.5) and got 3 1/2 hrs without the morning nausea. I’d really like to try the .5 melatonin with the 1.5 lunesta so I can get off this sooner than later ... but value your feedback. Jill28 march - June 19, 2018- Zoloft August 22, 2018- August 24, 2018- Prozac August 24 to current- clonazepam - still reducing from .25 twice a day. August 24 to Sept 24th - Cyproheptadine 2mg August 29- End of November Lunesta 3 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 4, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 4, 2018 You should be able to split Lunesta. Many people here have done it, to taper off. If you want to take melatonin at bedtime instead, that's okay, too. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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