RandyJames Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I am having this now and had it really really bad during my first WD from benzos and Cymbalta. I hate it so much. It's hard for me to say where anhedonia and DP separate. We'll all make it through eventually. 1994-2009 benzos from age 20 to 36. Added Cymbalta 60mg in 2007. 2008-2009 tapered benzos to zero and quit Cymbalta Cold turkey. WD HELL for two years 2011 started on Lexapro to combat the withdrawal and it worked. 2015 switched to Prozac as Lexapro was not working as well 2017 quit Prozac cold turkey November and crashed into WD. Reinstated Prozac In December with no benefit. 2018 Switched back to Lexapro in January and it took most of the issues away in around 2-3 weeks 2019 In February Lexapro has pooped out and WD feelings back. Tolerance WD I'm sure. March 12th Upped my dose to 30 mgs per doctor's advice to see if Tolerance WD goes away but have had worsening sleep issues with limbs jerking and less sleep. March 17th dropped back down to 20 mgs and had less limb jerking last night but sleep no better. April 20th cut to 18mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanha Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, RandyJames said: I am having this now and had it really really bad during my first WD from benzos and Cymbalta. I hate it so much. It's hard for me to say where anhedonia and DP separate. We'll all make it through eventually. I also have it from cymbalta ct and benzo taper 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfromNJ Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I believe I have this as well. whenever I told the doctors this is how I feel, they either never acknowledged it or looked at me like I was crazy. Now I now im not crazy (well, lol). I would tell them its like im behind glass. even told my therapist, she didn't say much about it either. What is with these people, that they do not know or do they not care? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanttosurvive Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 8:38 PM, Nikola said: I have been having SEVERE DP/DR since month 4 after getting of venlafaxine. Its to the point where i cant hold a normal conversation and my eyesight is like i just drank a liter of vodka. Its really insane.. Its getting worse the more anxiety i have, which have been a whole lot.. It is by far the worst thing i have had to go through.. Is anyone else experiencing this? Nikola Hi Nikola, As a survivor, who could have managed up to now (nearly 16 months off drugs), I always regard DR/DR as the worst symptom of WD. I had hellish days, when I thought I do not exist. Pinching myself, biting my fingertips, constantly whispering "you are a real human being, you are alive, this is just a symptom, others call this DR/DP, this shall pass, please, please....." Month 5 was the worst time of my WD. In those days I could hardly realize the time, my own existence, the persons and also the places.... But now I am definitely better. Now I must admit that in windows I have days I almost do not feel DR/DP. But in waves it surely comes.... Believe me, this will also pass.... 6 months treatment of prozac in 1996 (do not remember any withdrawal symptom) May 2017- July 2017 Mirtazapine 7,5 mg. Quit cold turkey (as told by the doctor) May 2017- August 2017 Tianeptine 12,5 mg 3x1. Quit cold turkey because of adverse reactions October 2017- Suicidal. Had to start Mirtazapine 17 December 2017 LAST DOSE NO DRUG AFTER 17 DECEMBER 2017. IN THE 3. YEAR OF WD I WAS THINKING I HAD RECOVERED 75%. BUT IN THE 4. YEAR AFTER A DENTAL IMPLANT SURGERY EVERYHING HAS CHANGED. BELIEVE OR NOT, I AM EXPERIENCING A SECOND WD, WHICH IS INDUCED BY A SURGERY. DATE OF SURGERY WAS 10 DECEMBER 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 One thing that people should understand is that dr/dp never comes by itself.It is linked to depression, anxiety, stress.In order to take care of it, one should find the cause and adress to it.Is not essy to come out of anxiety or depression, but ome should try it. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfromNJ Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kronos18 said: One thing that people should understand is that dr/dp never comes by itself.It is linked to depression, anxiety, stress.In order to take care of it, one should find the cause and adress to it.Is not essy to come out of anxiety or depression, but ome should try it. So are you saying you don't think it can come from meds withdraw? Because it would appear from this site that it does based on everyone's experiences. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Sure it comes from withdrawal, as anxiety, depression, hyperarousal are all symptoms of withdrawal, but how we respond to it matters too Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 What I wanted to say is that if one want to target the dr/dp for solving, the cause should be solved in order for dr/dp to fade. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Withdrawal is tough, and it afects ones more than others.One can easily fall in depression or anxiety because of it.As Altostrata mentions, “change the channel” is one of the best methods for use.I also find CBT one of the best ways for withdrawal, as it teaches us how to manage the symptoms.Anger and frustration can lead to depression or anxiety in time Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I think that Dr/Dp starts to improve when you stop caring about it.If we respond with fear, it leads to anxiety and it maintains it.Thinking pattern is important in dr/dp process.It’s not a condition that improves as time passes from my opinion, that’s why some people have it for months and others for years.Because everyone is different, everyone aproaches it different, as one says it matters aswell how we respond to it.We must understand that we are the only ones who can improve this condition.I find myself feeling better about this after I understood the following: -It is anxiety based, so fear only fuels it more and more -It’s not dangerous, people don’t even notice you have it -The moment when you stop caring about it and reading everyday about it, it starts to improve gradually -The more you dig for answers, the more frustrated you are, and you prolong it more and more Best aproach from my opinion is : stop thinking about it (it takes time, but i found that the more you engage in activities, the less you think about it), STOP READING ABOUT IT, remind yourself every time that the more you care about it, the more it stays with you, so it’s pointless.I know it’s a horror condition but the answer is US, that’s why for some it takes months and for others years, because it’s a condition that many things trigger it(anxiety, trauma, lsd, cocaine, marijuana), but the way we respond to it matters the most.I know it’s hard, when you live it is hell, i live it now, but i can sau that my anxiety dismished much, when i first started taking my steps to improve it it was impossiblei couldn’t talk more than 5 mins with my friend without getting panic symptoms, but the more I tried, the less fear it was.Now i can drive, go out in public places, stay with my friends, eat without having so much problems in public, even now i get panic symptoms here and there, but nothing compared to what I had before.It’s been almost 3 months for me, and i realised that the more attention i paid to the visual disturbances and things, the more anxiety i have, it’s a circle that it’s hard to be broken, but if you take the steps i promise you will never regret and start feeling better.Hope it helps.Sports for me has helped a lot aswell, because it dismishes anxiety, every gym training it’s hard because i’m so spaced out, but the more you practice it, the less power it has.It is exposure therapy. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittygiggles Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Djibril said: Thank you, how many Time Take you fluoxetine. Which symptoms have you got when you have dépersonnalization ? Above quoted from: @Djibril I'd say the this thread pretty much covers what I went through long ago. I'll describe my story though anyway. Note: I do not understand the mechanism behind it but my depersonalization could have been an amplification and modified manifestation of my anxiety and panic attacks, which I used to get before taking fluoxetine. However, I had taken paroxetine for a couple of weeks and there is a strong chance that prior to that, I never felt depersonalization. I had very few episodes prior to fluoxetine, maybe a handful at most. So, fluoxetine definitely seemed to make this problem more frequent but I can't say unequivocally that it caused them, it seems more likely that my short time with paroxetine did. The most important thing I learned was to treat them like a panic attack and I think in essence that's what my depersonalization was: a dissociative flavor of panic, without the intense anxiety and physiological response that comes with that (such as hyperventilation, dizziness, etc). When I learned a slow breathing technique, mindfulness, acceptance, and distraction, depresonalization became trivial, even if it was frequent. So there is hope that maybe you can learn to mostly ignore it even if your drug seems to induce it frequently. Duration and frequency in relation to fluoxetine After taking paroxetine for about 2 weeks, I took fluoxetine at a dose of at least 20mg for about 5 years. It is hard for me to remember how often depersonalization affected me and for how long but I do remember that it started happening frequently and intensely within the first 1 to 2 weeks of taking fluoxetine. It would be episodic, lasting up to maybe 30 minutes but it could then reoccur minutes later, making it seem, perhaps that it was continuing for several hours, maybe around 3 to 6 hours or most of the day. I think it would happen almost every day at the start, or at least every other day. After about 2 to 4 weeks, I think it only happened about once or twice in a day and diminished thereafter to once or twice a week. I'm sorry for how vague I'm being but it is very hard for me to remember how it was so long ago! Throughout my period of taking >=20mg fluoxetine daily, I continued to have depersonalization but it became much less intense, lasting only 5 or 10 minutes at most. As I reduced fluoxetine, my depersonalization reduced in frequency, and I would get a slight episode, just 1 minute or 2 at the most and it happened maybe once or twice each quarter. If I checked my symptoms diary, I'd bet there are periods of 6 months where I didn't even get it or notice it. As my dose hit very low levels, although I can't pinpoint when exactly, depersonalization disappeared completely. My symptoms of depresonalization and how I treated it This is definitely something I find difficult to describe. I guess people who suffer from it would all agree that you know it when it happens! It would start with a feeling that I was no longer a participant of reality and that everything around me was not real but it was not replaced by a hallucination or delusion. Instead I was faced with the illusion that I was not there but if someone were to ask, "what is around you?" I would respond with a correct description of my surroundings. I would then quickly start to feel anxious, perhaps I would start to panic but not always, it would sometimes accompany a sensation of sadness, like I was losing the people I loved or could no longer interact with them. Sometimes the feeling would involve a sense of 'my mind falling out of my head' or 'my mind shrinking into nothing'. It is bizarre and my words probably don't do it justice. If I were to summarize it, I would say it was a feeling that I was not present in reality but that I was nowhere else either. I felt that I was about to shrink into nothingness or a void, imminently. When I first experienced these episodes, I learned about it as quickly as I could and I discovered that when I tried treating it like a panic attack, even if I didn't feel panic, it would make them very, very trivial. The techniques I used were mindfulness (i.e. focusing on what I was doing), and ultimately, to put it in a very simplistic way - just accept that it was happening then ignore it and carry on what I was doing when it started. With time and practice, these episodes became shorter and shorter, lasting only seconds to a few minutes at most. Thankfully, to iterate, I no longer suffer from depersonalization. Reading some people's experience above, I would echo @Kronos18's latest post. In addition, I'd say this thread is very useful and could give a sufferer hope that depersonalization is not something one should fear, it is usually transient and seems reversible in many cases. 2012: 2 weeks of paroxetine, I cannot recall the dose. Strong side effects, stopped cold turkey, had intense, horrible withdrawal thereafter 2012 to 2016: Fluoxetine 40mg daily, sometimes 20mg daily, a couple of bad tapers under doctor's advisement, increasingly bad withdrawal symptoms with each major dose change Oct 2016 to June 2017: 10-month reinstatement of 20mg fluoxetine daily to stabilize. A very difficult period but withdrawal gradually improved July 2017: At 20mg (100%), started a linear tapering regimen using water titration (20mg fluoxetine into 300ml of water). June 2019: Currently at 0.200mg (1.00%). I have many symptoms, most I attribute to fluoxetine, some to withdrawal, and the rest to hypothyroidism. Continuing to reduce anyway. July 2019: Jumped from 0.066mg (0.33%) to 0.000mg (0.00%); I'm now free of the poison. My introduction thread: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/14226-kittygiggles-generic-prozac-fluoxetine-stabilization/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikola Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Thanks for the replies! DP/DR is also by far the worst syptom, after anxiety. I also have came to the conclusion that it is only treated, by being passive to it and that it feeds of anxiety. I have been using benzos kinda heavy, even tho it makes the anxiety worse and the derealization. I helps me to know that you are doing better and gives me hope! --Venlafaxine 300 mg from 2011 -2018, got off april 2018 after 14 months taper -25 mg klonopin a day from 2011- 2013, got off went thru extreme withdrawal for 2 years -Started using oxazepam and diazepam again due to extreme anxiety november 2018 currently on antihistamine (vallergan), diazepam, oxazepam and melatotin for sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 17 hours ago, Nikola said: Thanks for the replies! DP/DR is also by far the worst syptom, after anxiety. I also have came to the conclusion that it is only treated, by being passive to it and that it feeds of anxiety. I have been using benzos kinda heavy, even tho it makes the anxiety worse and the derealization. I helps me to know that you are doing better and gives me hope! You are right my friend.I started getting blurry vision and it seems like my vision is not quite right, but i’m telling myself that dr/dp has s role in it and by feeding it with fear, i only prolong it.It will pass if you accept that it will be with you for some time, and it’s ok.It’s an common anxiety and withdrawal symptom and it will pass. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Has anyone had an improvement of DR/DP after reinstating the drug? I'm 15 months off now and DR is still a problem. As someone said it feels like ive drunk a heap of vodka because my eyesight is like being drunk. I'm so over this sh*t. Paroxatine - 2004-2006 Effexor XR 75mg 2006 - 2016 (Discontinued Feb 2016) - Withdrawal for 6 months. Effexor XR 75mg Re-instated June 2017 (Discontinued Dec 2017) Effexor XR 2-3 mg Re-instated March 10 2018 - 1 day (Didn't work) Effexor XR 2mg Reinstated (Again) May 11 2018. 6 Beads July 2018 - 0.0mg of Effexor. Zilch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serotoninsyndromesufferer Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What about DP/DR and dreaming? I always had problems with accepting reality, hence I had some DP/DR moments before taking meds. Now I struggle with DP/DR associated with my thoughts and dreams. I feel like they are not "normal", they feel strange. I am afraid of sleeping, because dreams feel like not mine. Moreover if DP/DR hits really bad I am afraid that somehow my soul will leave my body and I will end in some different dimension, it makes sleeping even harder, because I am afraid that it will happen in sleep. Anyone struggled with simmilar problem? 16th February 2019 - 27th February 2019: Fluoxetine 20mg 7th April 2019 - 11th April 2019: 10mg paroxetine 11th April 2019 - 16th April 2019: 20mg paroxetine 21st March 2019 - now: 0,5mg alprazolam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 2:59 PM, serotoninsyndromesufferer said: What about DP/DR and dreaming? I always had problems with accepting reality, hence I had some DP/DR moments before taking meds. Now I struggle with DP/DR associated with my thoughts and dreams. I feel like they are not "normal", they feel strange. I am afraid of sleeping, because dreams feel like not mine. Moreover if DP/DR hits really bad I am afraid that somehow my soul will leave my body and I will end in some different dimension, it makes sleeping even harder, because I am afraid that it will happen in sleep. Anyone struggled with simmilar problem? I understand you, i had this aswell.Thoughts of getting crazy, thoughts of being in another dimensions, but these only feeds the anxiety and prolongs it.When you catch yourself thinking like this, think differently.If you were going crazy, you wouldn’t even know it.So if you are chatting with other persons, eating, watching tv, understanding movies, shopping, then voila:YOU ARE ON PLANET EARTH MY FRIEND.Try to see it into other perspective, like a symptom of withdrawal.Because it is.Don’t be afraid of it and it will leave you alone, your brain is just trying to protect you 1 Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serotoninsyndromesufferer Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kronos18 said: I understand you, i had this aswell.Thoughts of getting crazy, thoughts of being in another dimensions, but these only feeds the anxiety and prolongs it.When you catch yourself thinking like this, think differently.If you were going crazy, you wouldn’t even know it.So if you are chatting with other persons, eating, watching tv, understanding movies, shopping, then voila:YOU ARE ON PLANET EARTH MY FRIEND.Try to see it into other perspective, like a symptom of withdrawal.Because it is.Don’t be afraid of it and it will leave you alone, your brain is just trying to protect you Thank you very much for advice. I will use it in next dp/dr wave :). 16th February 2019 - 27th February 2019: Fluoxetine 20mg 7th April 2019 - 11th April 2019: 10mg paroxetine 11th April 2019 - 16th April 2019: 20mg paroxetine 21st March 2019 - now: 0,5mg alprazolam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, serotoninsyndromesufferer said: Thank you very much for advice. I will use it in next dp/dr wave :). No problems mate.We’re on the same path, we will get there somehow.How are you feeling? Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serotoninsyndromesufferer Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kronos18 said: No problems mate.We’re on the same path, we will get there somehow.How are you feeling? Not well to be honest. Before I found this site I had two short AD attempts. First with fluoxetine, second with paroxetine. After quitting fluoxetine in day 11, I went through many phases, but generally got slightly better over few weeks. Then I decided to take my dr advice and try paroxetine. That was a mistake, really bad mistake. I ended in really weird state and quitted in day 9. I lost my ability to feel and my body is really twitchy and exhausted. Before I had really severe anxiety and fear and now somehow they are gone along with rest of my emotions and feelings. It feels like i had some blockade between my brain and my body, can't feel any emotion. Nothinf changed in last two weeks. Just hope it get better... 16th February 2019 - 27th February 2019: Fluoxetine 20mg 7th April 2019 - 11th April 2019: 10mg paroxetine 11th April 2019 - 16th April 2019: 20mg paroxetine 21st March 2019 - now: 0,5mg alprazolam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 How long are you off meds mate? i’ve been on lexapro for 2 months, and it’s my 14th week almost since i’m off it, and guess what, I’ve been hit with a wave almost as bad as in the begining, it got slightly better.But it will be ok in the end, we will have to be patient, time is the only healer Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannahe Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Will my dp/dr eventually subside even though I’m still on other medication? Originally at 100 mg Zoloft and 150 mg xl Wellbutrin for ten years. Abruptly dropped 50 mg of Zoloft April 2018. Cut Wellbutrin in half (75 mg) for a month in December 2018. Cold turkeyed Wellbutrin January 2019. Reinstated Wellbutrin half of 150 xl (75 mg) in January 2019 and added Xanax. ER visit iv of 5 mg Haloperidol. Finished Xanax taper, cold turkeyed Wellbutrin February 2019 and added 10 mg buspar twice daily. Tapering buspar 50 mg Zoloft at 10:00 am 2.5 mg buspar at 9:00 pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 HI All, I thought it was important to post this but i have had a fairly large improvement of derealization which should give you all some hope that it can get better. The last few weeks it seems to be the best it has been since i came off the Effexor 19 months ago. I had seen some gradual improvements over time but its now allot better than what it was. It's not entirely gone and at times its worse than other times but its improving. Paroxatine - 2004-2006 Effexor XR 75mg 2006 - 2016 (Discontinued Feb 2016) - Withdrawal for 6 months. Effexor XR 75mg Re-instated June 2017 (Discontinued Dec 2017) Effexor XR 2-3 mg Re-instated March 10 2018 - 1 day (Didn't work) Effexor XR 2mg Reinstated (Again) May 11 2018. 6 Beads July 2018 - 0.0mg of Effexor. Zilch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Lloyd said: HI All, I thought it was important to post this but i have had a fairly large improvement of derealization which should give you all some hope that it can get better. The last few weeks it seems to be the best it has been since i came off the Effexor 19 months ago. I had seen some gradual improvements over time but its now allot better than what it was. It's not entirely gone and at times its worse than other times but its improving. I’m glad you’ve got so much improvements, keep going.One day it will all end! Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veryamazing Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Daily worsening of derealization after 22 months 22 months Off ct daily reduction in awareness. How can this be Edited July 10, 2019 by ChessieCat added topic title (Sept 26 - Octobre 3 2017 Quetiapine 50mg for sleep, 4th or 5th day 150mg then 50mg for sleep again. (Stopped abruptly after 7 days because of severe reaction) Novembre-Decembre 2017 baclofen 5mg at night... I steadily increased dosage till 25mg baclofen per night... Decembre 2017 Stopped Baclofen. Got flurazepam 27,4mg as alternative and have been taking it every day since this day. (not tapered of baclofen but just changed to flurazepam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefuly1 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 When i look at lights i see trails/halos, feel pressure in the head, cannot understand human behaviour, no feelings/emotions, imposible to read/watch movies/listen feel music, its like i am brain dead, wathing my phone ot laptop its like i see 2D instead of 3D. Is that derealization? Is it ever going away? Warm wishes to everyonet April 2018 50 mg sertraline May 2018 100mg sertraline June 2018 200mg sertraline July 2018 Cold Turkey August 2018 Withdrawal September 2018 Withdrawal October 2018 20mg Citalopram November 2018 40 mg Citalopram December 2018 40 mg Citalopram January 2019 10 mg Escitalopram February 2019 10 mg Escitalopram March 2019 5 mg Escitalopram for 3 weeks then cold turkey April 2019 Withdrawal , May 2019 5 mg escitalopram taken by mistake with supplements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyBell Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I have had DP DR for five years now. Is it possible this may not be withdrawal anymore but another issue? In Jan 2011 started Lexapro 10 mg after 10 minutes consultation with doctor telling him I felt anxious in confined spaces and had an anxiety attack on plane and underground. Remained on that dosage until Sept 2014. Tapered following a doctor's schedule on 2.5 mg drops every three weeks. Once stopped I developed severe withdrawals. Three weeks of Prozac beginning of Oct 2014 but had adverse reaction and stopped CT. Protracted withdrawals since. Supp now - magnesium, fish oil, turmeric, vit D, melatonin (but recently it's made me depressed), castus vitex capsule with ginger, Withania, Vit E, zinc, Lutein for PMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 8:16 AM, DaisyBell said: I have had DP DR for five years now. Is it possible this may not be withdrawal anymore but another issue? Hi Daisy.I’m sorry for your struggle with DR/DP.Are you worrying about it? Overthinking it?As the condition can’t exist on it’s own, it is anxiety based.Fear fuels it.It will go one day. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyBell Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Thanks Kronos.... anxiety does not precede or accompany depersonalisation. It is constant. But yes, it is worse when anxious... may be because when you're anxious everything feels like worse. Just expected it to have gone by now. I only took lexapro for four years. In Jan 2011 started Lexapro 10 mg after 10 minutes consultation with doctor telling him I felt anxious in confined spaces and had an anxiety attack on plane and underground. Remained on that dosage until Sept 2014. Tapered following a doctor's schedule on 2.5 mg drops every three weeks. Once stopped I developed severe withdrawals. Three weeks of Prozac beginning of Oct 2014 but had adverse reaction and stopped CT. Protracted withdrawals since. Supp now - magnesium, fish oil, turmeric, vit D, melatonin (but recently it's made me depressed), castus vitex capsule with ginger, Withania, Vit E, zinc, Lutein for PMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefuly1 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Daisy do you experience lack of concentration and anhedonia aswell? April 2018 50 mg sertraline May 2018 100mg sertraline June 2018 200mg sertraline July 2018 Cold Turkey August 2018 Withdrawal September 2018 Withdrawal October 2018 20mg Citalopram November 2018 40 mg Citalopram December 2018 40 mg Citalopram January 2019 10 mg Escitalopram February 2019 10 mg Escitalopram March 2019 5 mg Escitalopram for 3 weeks then cold turkey April 2019 Withdrawal , May 2019 5 mg escitalopram taken by mistake with supplements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondiee1915 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I have dp/dr since I crashed after stopping my SSRI even when I reinstated and switched to a different SSRI in hopes of relief I still felt dp/dr at various degrees intensified by stress and lack of sleep. What helps is to remind myself is not dangerous it’s just a feeling but is harmless I have heard a few theories on this: 1) this is an anxiety symptom where as a deer get this weird detached unrealistic state when she is stroke by fear so that she can run away from a predator we feel the same fear as our brain thinks we are in danger of some sort 2) bc of our constant inward thinking about WD and our symptoms our brain gets tired and cannot relax much so then we start to experience this dp/dr bc we are constantly consumed by this inwardness 3) our brain is trying to protect us against panic attack. I am not sure how that works but I have read this in a few places my recent therapist told me it was an anxiety symptom 😐 04/10 Luvox 25 mg PM, Nortriptyline 1 mg PM 03/08/19: Buspar 2.5 mg AM, 5 mg PM 01/01/19: Xanax 0.125 AM 5 times a week. Occasionally, 0.125 twice a day AM & noon 12/18 Armour Thyroid 60 mg (for hypothyroidism) Supplements: B Complex, B12 (adeno), multi-vitamin, D, Adrenal Cortex, iron Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other meds: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil, Nardil Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016 Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 NO MEDS 07/16 - 10/31/16 Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, increased to 5 mg 1/13/17 switched to Luvox 50 mg before bed 1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM 12/18 Luvox 10 mg PM, Nortriptyline 2 mg (started Nortriptyline 06/17 at 10 mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos18 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Blondiee1915 said: I have dp/dr since I crashed after stopping my SSRI even when I reinstated and switched to a different SSRI in hopes of relief I still felt dp/dr at various degrees intensified by stress and lack of sleep. What helps is to remind myself is not dangerous it’s just a feeling but is harmless I have heard a few theories on this: 1) this is an anxiety symptom where as a deer get this weird detached unrealistic state when she is stroke by fear so that she can run away from a predator we feel the same fear as our brain thinks we are in danger of some sort 2) bc of our constant inward thinking about WD and our symptoms our brain gets tired and cannot relax much so then we start to experience this dp/dr bc we are constantly consumed by this inwardness 3) our brain is trying to protect us against panic attack. I am not sure how that works but I have read this in a few places my recent therapist told me it was an anxiety symptom 😐 From what I know, dr/dp is a very common withdrawal symptom.Besides withdrawal, is a symptom of a stressed out mind.Symptom of anxiety, depression, panic attacks.In order to get rid of it, one must treat the root cause, not the symptom itself. Lorazepam -2 weeks-1 week 3 mg.4 days 2mg, 3 days 1mg. 13-27 November 2018 Lexapro -2 months-6 weeks of 10mg, 2 weeks of 5mg 27 November 2018-27 January 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyBell Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Hopefuly1 said: Daisy do you experience lack of concentration and anhedonia aswell? I don't feel overwhelmed by those symptoms. Probably because I don't really suffer from them as much. Just read your history - you reduced Lexapro fast (and the other others too). How are you going? In Jan 2011 started Lexapro 10 mg after 10 minutes consultation with doctor telling him I felt anxious in confined spaces and had an anxiety attack on plane and underground. Remained on that dosage until Sept 2014. Tapered following a doctor's schedule on 2.5 mg drops every three weeks. Once stopped I developed severe withdrawals. Three weeks of Prozac beginning of Oct 2014 but had adverse reaction and stopped CT. Protracted withdrawals since. Supp now - magnesium, fish oil, turmeric, vit D, melatonin (but recently it's made me depressed), castus vitex capsule with ginger, Withania, Vit E, zinc, Lutein for PMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondiee1915 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, Kronos18 said: From what I know, dr/dp is a very common withdrawal symptom.Besides withdrawal, is a symptom of a stressed out mind.Symptom of anxiety, depression, panic attacks.In order to get rid of it, one must treat the root cause, not the symptom itself. It is common in WD that’s true also. It’s hard to differentiate if it is WD or anxiety etc. but I guess it does not really matter bc acceptance and living life despite this symptom is the only treatment option 04/10 Luvox 25 mg PM, Nortriptyline 1 mg PM 03/08/19: Buspar 2.5 mg AM, 5 mg PM 01/01/19: Xanax 0.125 AM 5 times a week. Occasionally, 0.125 twice a day AM & noon 12/18 Armour Thyroid 60 mg (for hypothyroidism) Supplements: B Complex, B12 (adeno), multi-vitamin, D, Adrenal Cortex, iron Lexapro 20 mg 2007 - 2013 with various attempts to stop 2013 found a new Dr and started trying other meds: Prozac, Notryptoline, Effexor, Buspar, Gabapentin, Paxil, Nardil Lexapro 15 mg 2015 - 04/2016 Vibryiid 10 - 15mg 05/16-06/16 NO MEDS 07/16 - 10/31/16 Reinstated 10/31/16 at 2.5 mg lexapro, increased to 5 mg 1/13/17 switched to Luvox 50 mg before bed 1/20/17 Luvox 37.5 mg PM 12/18 Luvox 10 mg PM, Nortriptyline 2 mg (started Nortriptyline 06/17 at 10 mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treesofgreen Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I suffer from this in my case it is (or was ...better now) so bad that I dont even know who I am anymore . I have trouble remembering some old things and have trouble connecting to people I love and am scared that I dont love them or will "forget them" . there were a few days where I also thought I am going totally crazy . it was after I took ativan after a panic attack ....once the ativan was out of my system a few days later I had so much derealization that I am not even sure anymore if it was dr or rather psychosis . I dont want to go much into detail because I dont want to trigger anybody (and no dp/dr is not psychosis dont worry ...and even if you were psychotic you can get treatment for that) . if you want to lower your dp/dr 2 things are important 1. lower your anxiety any way you can 2. try to ignore the dp/dr and dont be scared of it . know that it is not dangerous and try to live your life and distract yourself Paxil (2005 + 2006 . dosage = 20-30mg ) Celexa (around 2012 + 2013 , dosage = 20mg iirc ) Effexor (2013 + 2014 . dosage was mostly 150mg ) Seroquel (2014 + 2015 . dosage = 100mg ) Lexapro (2015 dosage = 20mg most of the time iirc) Prozac (2016 / 2017 . dosage ranged from 20 to 40mg but most of the time it was 30 and 20 mg ) Effexor again + Perazine (also Amisulpride for 2 weeks) (2018 and Effexor until early 2019) . Effexor dosage was most of the time 225mg but also 150mg and perazine dosage was 100 or 200mg . I dont remember it well Sulpiride sometimes when needed at low dose of 50mg in end 2018 early 2019 I have taken some other meds too but not for long . and Promethazine I still take sometimes . I stopped many of the listed meds cold turkey unfortunately and also drank alcohol and smoked pot while I was taking them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkstar Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Goes anyone else feel super foggy headed and like the world is foggy glassed over and removed.This is my worst overall symptom and my doctor is scarring me there is no way I'm in medicine w/d.I'm over 8 months off benzos and I came off of Prozac 2 months ago on top of this. Things got slightly worse after I came off Prozac too. I feel drugged constantly and can't think.Does anyone else feel similar?Plus bad anxiety. Prozac 10 mg around 2 years. I started tapering by taking it every other day as recommended by my doctor on May 31st. Geodon for around 7 years. Different amounts. Currently on 40 mg for several years. I was on clonazepam for 7 years. Highest dose 1.5 mg a day. Did a fast taper off. I have been off 4 months and 1 week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Yes it's derealization. Not a pleasant symptom. It does ease up a bit after a while. Started seeing small changes after 6-7 months. Paroxatine - 2004-2006 Effexor XR 75mg 2006 - 2016 (Discontinued Feb 2016) - Withdrawal for 6 months. Effexor XR 75mg Re-instated June 2017 (Discontinued Dec 2017) Effexor XR 2-3 mg Re-instated March 10 2018 - 1 day (Didn't work) Effexor XR 2mg Reinstated (Again) May 11 2018. 6 Beads July 2018 - 0.0mg of Effexor. Zilch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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