Rachellynn: Prozac & Remeron support :)

[ChessieCat]

We understand anger here, but it is not totally the medical profession's fault, although there are medical professionals trying to wake them up and their cohorts don't want to listen.

 

Gwen Olsen was a drug representative for 15 years:

 

Interview:  Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (51 minutes)

 

Manipulating Doctors (10 minutes)

 

We are trained to misinform (6 minutes)

[Rachellynn]

I understand, but who develops these drugs? Are Dr’s not responsible for understanding the mechanism of the drugs? I feel like it’s ALMOST as bad as labotomies. There is so much ancient wisdom in the world. Ayurveda, yoga, Taoism, Buddhism, and there are also truths. We don’t like to tell the truth, there isn’t much a sense of community anymore. Storytelling, villages, support. If it’s not the Dr’s responsibility (they told my family it was perfectly safe, few side effects, no withdrawal) and they didn’t monitor me. If it’s only tested for 12 weeks or whatever, why have we been on them for years and years? Who can i blame? What is wrong with these companies? Our world? Why is money the only thing that matters, when it doesn’t matter at all? 

 

Can we start a village? I dream of going off the grid...

[ChessieCat]

37 minutes ago, Rachellynn said:

but who develops these drugs?

 

Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker helps to explain this.

[Rachellynn]

1 minute ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker helps to explain this.

Ggrrrrr. Thank you, i wrote that before i saw your messages😁

[Rachellynn]

What is the smallest dose i can taper off remeron? I’m on 7.5mg right now and want to do it EXTRA slow as I’ve been through THREE Prozac CT’s in my life. 

 

[Rachellynn]

I think this is actually HUGE. I was in the hospital a lot when my acute withdrawal kicked me down and my potassium and sodium were both low - a lot. They told me to “eat a hamburger” and told me not to be one of these people that comes to the ER every week. Anyhow, mineral depletion is no joke. 

 

I did a Hair/Tissue mineral analysis and i was low in everything. 

[Rachellynn]

11pm went to bed

3:00am woke up

4:30am fell back asleep

7:00am woke up

7:10am meditated

8:00am drank olive oil w ginger

8:30am Triphala Tea

9:00am Breakfast (chia/banana pudding)

10:00am Dry Brushing, massage

10:30am productive enema

10:45am shower

errands

2:30pm lunch (qiunoa/sweet potato) 

3:00pm took my multi (ritual)

3:30pm light stretching, chest openers, neck exercises

4:00pm fought w my grandma cuz she is kind of mean/doesn’t understand/cried

4:30pm meditated

5:00pm took my dog to get her nails trimmed

6:30pm olive oil w ginger

7:00pm Dinner (stewed apples w ghee)

7:15 slight head pressure (reaction)

7:45pm Triphala Tea

8:00pm Castor Oil w mag and heat on abs

Reading until bedtime 

 

 

 

 

[ChessieCat]

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[Rachellynn]

Hi there. I used the search bar to try and find an answer to this question and couldn’t find it. I have a cold and it’s stuck in my sinus’ - it feels like cement in my nasal cavities...I’ve bedn inhaling steam with essential oils AND using a netti pot but and cannot get any air through my nose and I’m starting to panic. Any recommendations? 

[chrona]

homeopathic can work.  sorry I don't have the name at my fingertips.  also, try Buteyko breathing.  There are U-tubes on line that give a technique that clear your sinus.  it can be quite magical.  I had this chronically and used all sorts of devices and then would end up breathing with my mouth open. 

then there are cold medicines that do work but I assume you are trying not to use them.  prescription nose drops are great but v. addictive.

[Rachellynn]

I used some Vic’s Vapor Rub and it helps a tiny bit. I forgot to ask...i don’t know if it’s safe to take a nasal decongestant, just one night? I know that breathing method but literally can’t get air through😂😭but thanks for reminding me cuz i do want to practice that! I have a book somewhere😁

 

colds are are so much worse when you already have sinus issues from withdrawal😓

 

thank you you so much for replying to me. Scared i won’t sleep if i have to mouth breath all night. Yuck. 

 

So the breathing techinque helped you ?❤️❤️❤️

[ChessieCat]

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Edited October 15, 2018 by ChessieCat

[Rachellynn]

Still not sure if i should reinstate Prozac at micro-dose due to all the CT off Prozac. “Allergies” firing up again, trouble focusing my eyes, etc.

[Rachellynn]

Can anyone help me understand what to do with my medication? Thank you. 

 

Also idnt there anywhere where we can all go to heal?

[ChessieCat]

Please update your drug signature if necessary, thank you .  Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

 

Please answer the following questions:

 

Q:  What are your current symptoms?

 

Q:  How is your sleep?

 

Q:  What specifically are you asking about regarding your drug/s?

[ChessieCat]

21 minutes ago, Rachellynn said:

Also idnt there anywhere where we can all go to heal?

 

I doubt very much that a place that would be suitable for our needs exists.  I mean, it does, but unfortunately only in our dreams and imaginations.

 

Please read ALL the posts in both of these topics.  Each topic is only 1 page so not too much to go through.

 

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[Rachellynn]

3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Please update your drug signature if necessary, thank you .  Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

 

Please answer the following questions:

 

Q:  What are your current symptoms?

 

Q:  How is your sleep?

 

Q:  What specifically are you asking about regarding your drug/s?

Nothing new in my signature. I’ve had a couple vagal reactions - once in PT and another getting a massage with loud singing bowls and my nervous system is turned upside down again. Feeling like i should be living in a bubble. Still sick from Prozac CT four years ago. Only on 7.5mg Remeron and wondering what to do. I slept last night but haven’t slept well in 3 weeks. It’s 3pm here and no sleep yet. Haven’t been working. Blood pressure/heart rate has been going funny. Breathing is bad again. Feeling starving quite a bit. Wondering if i should go back up on remeron or add 1mg Prozac. I don’t even know. This is hell.

[Rachellynn]

3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

I doubt very much that a place that would be suitable for our needs exists.  I mean, it does, but unfortunately only in our dreams and imaginations.

 

Please read ALL the posts in both of these topics.  Each topic is only 1 page so not too much to go through.

 

alternative-to-meds-center-in-sedona-arizona

 

inpatient-detox-or-rehab

Thank you. I more mean, a supportive environment built for healing. Gardening, yoga, love, talking, support. Sounds easy but i guess it’s not. 

[Altostrata]

What do you mean by "vagal reactions"?

 

What are the symptoms that you attribute to Prozac withdrawal or Remeron? How are you sleeping?

[Rachellynn]

Haven’t you heard of vagal reactions?😱 It’s basically shock. Saw stars, couldn’t feel my legs, urge to go to the bathroom. Adrenaline kicked in. And now I’m barely sleeping, again. 

 

Hympersensitivity, asthma, allergies, anxiety, dryness in the body, digestive issues, malabsorption of nutrients, it’s all coming back. From the multiple shocks to my delicate system.

[Rachellynn]

Anyone have any advice for me? Thank you!!!!

[Rachellynn]

Does anyone have any advice for me? Been asking the same question since i joined. Please, anyone? Please. I’m in a really bad spot in a million ways. Please and thank you. 

[Altostrata]

Do you mean vasovagal syncope? That is an autonomic nervous system glitch.

 

It also sounds like you have borderline or maybe outright hypokalemia. This can be very serious. This may not be because of "micronutrient depletion," it could be a metabolic issue. It can cause many symptoms, including arrhythmia and sleeplessness. Has your doctor addressed this? Are you taking potassium supplements?

 

Please note we don't generally counsel people about general health issues such as hypokalemia or colds or flu, we don't really know anything about them. Other members might have the same issues, but support for them is beyond what we do here.

 

Does Remeron help you sleep? Are you still taking 7.5mg? What is your sleep pattern?

[Rachellynn]

I’ve been going SLIGHTLY low in potassium. 3.2-3.4 and 3.5 is normal. This is a part of withdrawal/stress for me. Also once was slightly low in Zinc and Sodium. I’m not taking supplements for potassium as high potassium is actually way more dangerous than low potassium. I am however drinking lots of coconut water/high potassium foods. I’ve had a million western med tests and nothing else is wrong with me. Besides asthma - also withdrawal induced. I could also have chronic viral stuff (not recognized by western medicine). 

 

Ive been waking up to nightmares last few nights. Couldn’t sleep until 4am this morning and usually i was sleeping really well before the vagal reaction. Still taking 7.5. It’s not helping so I’m wondering if i should upside to stabilize?

[Rachellynn]

My potassium is back up too.

[Rachellynn]

But no - Dr’s have not ever addressed my low potassium and they tell me that people have vagal reactions all the time. I def have autonomic dysfunction - don’t we all??? I mean - that’s what chronic fight or flight is right? Isn’t that what WD causes? 

 

You’re scaring me😭 

 

i said in my intro that I’ve been going low on potassium 

[Altostrata]

Dysautonomia is not well understood. It can come and go. Many withdrawal symptoms would be classed as dysautonomia. One can develop it apart from withdrawal, however.

 

Many people here are recovering from dysautonomia.

 

It seems you might be have a tendency to low potassium, you are wise to keep the level up with high-potassium foods.

 

What is your sleep pattern? When do you go to bed, what time do you get up, what happens during the night?

 

Since you've been taking 7.5mg Remeron since March and it's been working, if I were you, I would not increase it. Something else is going on.

[Rachellynn]

Yeah. I have hashimotos too. Not great. I am having a hard time relaxing. I get tired about 9/10pm but then i jolt awake with anxiety and then ruminate with fears and such. I usually am up by 8am - when i sleep 7am.

 

its like before i got in remeron - it feels the same - I’m scared that if i relax something bad will happen.

[Rachellynn]

I don’t have anyone to help me or really show me love/care either so it’s a million times harder for me. In fact i live with people who stress me out worse with snide and cruel remarks.

[Altostrata]

So many of us are in the same situation. It's very hard to focus on your own self-care, but that's what we have to do.

 

Please give these details, requested here for the third time:

12 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

What is your sleep pattern? When do you go to bed, what time do you get up, what happens during the night?

 

[Rachellynn]

6 minutes ago, Rachellynn said:

Yeah. I have hashimotos too. Not great. I am having a hard time relaxing. I get tired about 9/10pm but then i jolt awake with anxiety and then ruminate with fears and such. I usually am up by 8am - when i sleep 7am.

 

its like before i got in remeron - it feels the same - I’m scared that if i relax something bad will happen.

Is this not adequate?  I don’t know what else to tell you. I either fall asleep around 10 or midnight and then wake up panicky and fall back asleep until 6:30 or 7am - don’t get out of bed until 8am. Or last night i was anxious and pacing until 4am and then finally fell asleep for a few hours. Woke up at 8am. 

 

My senses are sensitive. Hearing, vision (smell has decreased) all since those vagal reactions. My body was having tremors when i woke up last night from a scary dream. 

[Rachellynn]

In my “real” life before this madness it was normal for me to go to sleep until 3am. Toss and turn for an hour or two and then fall back asleep until 7am. 

 

Have you ever ever been really hungover? That’s what this feels like but groundhogs day 😕

[Altostrata]

Have you darkened your bedroom with blackout blinds and drapes? This can reduce the cortisol spike and aid better sleep.

 

Please see

 

Tips to help sleep -- so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia

 

Waking with panic or anxiety -- managing cortisol spikes

 

What is the sleep cycle?

 

Melatonin for sleep: Many people find it helpful

 

TV or computer use in evening can disrupt sleep: Bright light signals the brain that it's daytime

 

It's quite important to get off the computer early in the evening, particularly if you're sensitive to light stimulation.
 

[Rachellynn]

Hello all! I CT from Prozac almost four years ago and am still messed up from it. I’m currently on 7.5mg of Remeron. I’ve had some recent traumas that brought back a lot of my initial symptoms. Should i try and micro-dose Prozac? At 1mg and to try and stabilize? And then taper one at a time from there?! I’m feeling HORRIBLE. Sick, anxious, agoraphobic, can’t settle down, etc...thank you!

[ChessieCat]

29 minutes ago, Rachellynn said:

I’ve had some recent traumas that brought back a lot of my initial symptoms.

 

Are they external stressors?  If yes, will they reduce in the near future.

 

We have to remember that turning to a drug is a quick fix for what may be a temporary problem.  And the quick fix could end up being a long term problem.

[Rachellynn]

Well. It was physical shock reactions to deep touch (pain) and loud noise. The stressors are gone but my body is stuck in PTSD and i can tell my body isn’t absorbing nutrients like it should due to chronic stress. 

 

I really dont don’t want a quick fix, I’m just wondering if i should try low dose Prozac due to not having recovered from initially CT. 

 

Going to be trying BEEF ORGANS - hoping that helps!