Asi1309: bad withdrawal

[Asi1309]

17 minutes ago, BfromNJ said:

Hello I've been reading your posts and I'm sorry for your struggles.   At least we aren't alone. I'm struggling myself today with some strange symptoms that I can't figure out.  Are they wd, health problem related?  I tend to obsess and worry that things are permanent and I will always feel them..  and it consumes me.  Anyway, I just wanted to stop it and let you know I've read this and I hope u feel better.  

Thanks man ! Everything you experience is we related probably 100% , once you realized that its easier to bare and to go through this, I wouldn't worry about those symptoms at all, and its fruitless to research those stuff, focus on new ways to pass time and burn time, it's much more productive and helpful from my experience, anyway hang on there it will get easier 100% and probably soon.

Everyday that pass will never even in a hundred years won't be as bad (healing wise) as its day before that's nature, because your body always changing always, focusing on the present isnt going to give you anything.

What I'm learned from my horrible experience is that you can't think yourself or be mindful during suffering, you need to brake the cycle, nothing helped me when I focused on the pain, it just didn't go away so I've got in to my head very firmly the understanding that only time will bring change and so I have started to work toward that future by passing the time and before you know it you will notice you're better the last week or last month etc, pls try it and let me know..

[Asi1309]

I'm suffering from extream parasthesia for over a year now !!

I'm in so much pain I can't believe anyone can go through this for so long with no improvement, I've been to countless doctors and they either say try gabapentin or xanax 😫 I can't take it anymore!

[Asi1309]

The only thing that do work somehow is staying in bed but my body is screaming at me to move I haven't exercised in over a year and there is no improvement what so ever, its torture so confusing what do my body want?!!

[Asi1309]

I can't tolerate no supplement and so sensitive that even mineral water which contains magnesium flair up my nerves so badly!

[BfromNJ]

I have the same problem with the water. 

[Asi1309]

My legs hurt so bad and it keeping me awake I hate it so bad it's been like that for so long on one hand if I stay in bed they will relax and stop shooting pain to my brain and I'll sleep, but Its hard to sleep when you're in bed for so long and it starting to feel as if I gonna get a heart attack for real!

Xanax gabapentin lamictal arent solutions, the problem is me moving and causing trouble to my sensitive nerves therefore no moving is an answer, the drugs above only will try to actively fight your body and try to calm it therefore result in nothing

[ChessieCat]

Hi Asi,

 

If you are feeling suicidal please get local support.

 

for-those-who-are-feeling-desperate-or-suicidal

 

http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international/israel-suicide-hotlines.html

 

I couldn't copy and paste the Israel information from this webpage but here is the link.  You can use Ctrl + F and type in Israel to find the information:

 

https://help.instagram.com/1666662083590610

[Asi1309]

I tried cbd, it worked not so bad for sleep especially in the recent months, but when the first bottle ran out I bought it again (same size and strength and brand) it messed me up pretty bad, it causes permanent jaw clenching- I mean 24/7 stuck in clenching the hardest as possible,  and my mind is like stuck in this stressed like state and I feel like I'm stuck at fight or flight mode - physically!

 

When I tried to go back to that first bottle it was like magic - over the days and weeks I could literally feel as it like neutralized the effect of the new oil and unclenched my jaw slowly and I could be content again ...

But, that first oil ran out and I was desperate to sleep so I took the new oil with that hellish effects, expecting it would be different now - it wasn't. 

 

I tried to buy the oil 2 more times but they still give me the same effect or should I say doesn't neutralize the effect. 

 

I tried to go off the oil all together but after a month of pure hell I cracked and realized it stuck now and the only thing that will free it is if I find the same first oil, I figured it must be the different components and combinations of each oil that ***** with my system,  I know for instance that cbd neutralizes thc, but I tried those 3 new oils to no avail (same brand), I know this products could never give me those hellish effects if I was healthy... but I don't know what to do now, I'm about to burst an aneurysm in my brain with that constant jaw clenching and being stressed af 24/7 physically and mentally, I already tried to stop for a month and it changed nothing ... I can go on like this another day, it's like my body stuck at extream jaw clenching I'm afraid I might injure myself.

 

I reckon that if I'll find another cbd oil like the first one, or maybe thc - free this time (although there isn't really 100% pure CBD, and the full spectrum has a lot of thc in it, especially if you're sensitive like us and taking a large amount), because back then the first oil just like magic neutralized the effect immediately and maybe I could spare some suffering for me.

 

I have to say that I didn't experienced anything that horrible and extream and non changing before I touched the cannabis plant and extracts.

 

I even have the lab tests of all the oils I bought, so maybe you could help me understand what might be causing this.

 

Please do someone else experienced this as well? Please help and dont delete this I need your help I have no one...

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by ChessieCat
removed pink and added paragraphs

[Shep]

On 1/12/2020 at 6:38 AM, Asi1309 said:

I even have the lab tests of all the oils I bought, so maybe you could help me understand what might be causing this.

Please do someone else experienced this as well?

 

If you haven't already read this thread, please see this link for other members' experiences:

 

Cannabis, marijuana, hashish, THC, & CBD or Hemp oil

 

We don't recommend cbd oil or any other form of marijuana because of the unpredictable results that members post about. 

 

Since you have the lab tests of all the oils you bought, you could contact some places that make and sell these products to see if they could make you up a batch according to the lab results. And there may be some online forums for people who use cbd oil that may be able to answer your questions. 

 

 

On 1/12/2020 at 6:38 AM, Asi1309 said:

it causes permanent jaw clenching

 

Do you have a night guard? If not, you may want to buy one to help protect your teeth. It will also help with headaches and mouth pain caused by jaw clenching. 

 

 

 

[Shep]

Please also let us know if you're off all psychiatric drugs now (it's been 7 months since you posted previously). 

 

 

[Asi1309]

It's still going on, I've been off since the 25 of January and its still hasn't subsided...

I'm off all my medication ever since that failed reinstatement attempt recorded above.

I don't know what to do- I'll never touch the CBd again but I'm afraid it will take a year to subside, this is worst then the entire cold Turkey withdrawal !

[Shep]

21 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

It's still going on, I've been off since the 25 of January and its still hasn't subsided...

 

25 of January of what year? From your signature, it looks like you've been off these drugs since 16/07/18. 

 

Do as much self-care as you can, asi. I wish there was a cure for this, but right now, all we now is self-care and time. 

 

 

[Asi1309]

4 hours ago, Shep said:

 

25 of January of what year? From your signature, it looks like you've been off these drugs since 16/07/18. 

 

Do as much self-care as you can, asi. I wish there was a cure for this, but right now, all we now is self-care and time. 

 

 

I've been off the meds since 16 of June 2018

Did a failed reinstatement attempt 5 months later iirc for 25 days taking milligrams of one of my medication- it failed miserably so I swore to never touch this **** again as it left me even worse then before the reinstatement. 

About a year and a month in I've started using Cbd, it worked with but not without cons, and about 3 months ago, give or take ( it's all written above) the old Cbd ran off so I bought the exact same one - but this time it made me super anxious both physically and mentally, and I'm literally stuck like that...

 I've tried stopping it completely many times but each time I've waited a month with no avail... I was stuck like that seriously stressed in my body in mine like I've never experienced before not even in the worst of my withdrawal...

In 25 of January this year after taking the CBd again (after waiting again another month for my body to relax) I swore not to touch this thing again, and now we're here - it's been like a month+ right now and I'm still stuck, this is worst then torture...

I've started taking omega 3 again after a long brake yesterday as a last resort, I have a quality source omega 3 that is kept in cooling throughout its entire processing phase until its reaches my refrigerator (cooler), this keeps the omega 3 from oxidation that basically render it useless. 

I'm not hopeful because I don't believe it will make a change but will see...

Thanks shep for your help ! 

[Asi1309]

It's still going on, I've been off since the 25 of January and its still hasn't subsided...

I'm off all my medication ever since that failed reinstatement attempt recorded above.

I don't know what to do- I'll never touch the CBd again but I'm afraid it will take a year to subside, this is worst then the entire cold Turkey withdrawal !

Does anyone knows how to stop the bruxism??

Its destroying my mouth and teeth - my entire face and teeth position changed because of that...

[Altostrata]

You might get a bite guard to protect your teeth and relieve some of the pressure in your jaw muscles. Your body needs gentle exercise to function properly. Perhaps swimming might help?

 

Your choice was to cope with symptoms without reinstatement or other drugs. If we knew how to cure people without drugs, we would tell you. In general, you've rejected all our suggestions to reduce your symptoms, which leaves us with little to say.

 

[Asi1309]

30 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

You might get a bite guard to protect your teeth and relieve some of the pressure in your jaw muscles. Your body needs gentle exercise to function properly. Perhaps swimming might help?

 

Your choice was to cope with symptoms without reinstatement or other drugs. If we knew how to cure people without drugs, we would tell you. In general, you've rejected all our suggestions to reduce your symptoms, which leaves us with little to say.

 

Where do I get such mouth guard ?

I've tried reinstatement but it left me worse then before and was painful as hell...

I'm not looking for cures obviously I'm almost 2 years in and from the get go I read this website extensively as well as other sources and know there's no cure only time. 

I'm just asking if someone experienced what I'm going through and if there's something to do about it...

If the reinstatement didn't made me suffer extremely bad physically I might as well continued it, but my body literally screamed at me it was a bad move, and to this day I'm still recovering from that...

Reinstatement does not works for everybody 

[Altostrata]

You can get a bite guard from a dentist (customized) or from Amazon (cheap).

 

We told you very clearly not to reinstate as high a dose as 25mg sertraline.

[Asi1309]

Is there a difference ? Or just price?

[Altostrata]

What do you think? Look in our Symptoms and Self-Care forum for discussions about bruxism and bite guards,

[Asi1309]

Does anyone knows how to stop bruxism?

[Asi1309]

On 3/9/2020 at 10:08 PM, Altostrata said:

You can get a bite guard from a dentist (customized) or from Amazon (cheap).

 

We told you very clearly not to reinstate as high a dose as 25mg sertraline.

That's not what happend. 

I've only found out about this site and reinstatement months after I cold Turkeyd, I read the topic extensively and listened to your advice and reinstated the lowest does possible, by diluting the drug. I started to experience severe inner tingling and creepy crawlys immediately, but you've told me to keep going and now I have permanent akatisia or whatever it called, since. 

It was clear my body didn't react well to even the smallest reinstatement attempt. I've only tried to reinstate the 25 mg like a two months after I've developed the inner tingling, I couldn't handle the reinstatement, and I dont know why do you keep bringing that up. It's okay I understand I've tried to reinstate after a long time so the window had closed.

I do not want to use any other prescription drugs as I didn't react well to them as well, all I'm asking is to share my experience with how things went very south after using cbd and cannabis and see if other members has similar experience to mine - extream restlessness (mental and physical) and bruxism, that weren't such a problem before I've used the cbd.

That's all, I was in a better state a year ago then I am now because of the cbd and I wonder if other people experienced the same and how to stop it.

My problem isnt the reinstatement, I've come to a manageable stage before starting to use the cbd for sleep, and now I'm worse.

My recovery was promising before the CBD and now its unbearable...

I dont blame anyone for the reinstatement, ( the tingling isnt much as a problem as the extream stress and restlessness and bruxism I experience, so I only need help with that.

I'm sure that if I haven't used the cbd I wouldn't be asking for tips in the first place...

The situation before the CBD was bearable now it isnt...

 

[Altostrata]

It appears after 4 years of switching among many drugs, in May 2018 you went off 3 psychiatric drugs cold turkey. Then you tried another 3 drugs for a few months and cold-turkeyed again. Your signature shows reinstatement of sertraline up to 25mg in October 2018.

 

On 3/7/2020 at 8:59 AM, Asi1309 said:

Did a failed reinstatement attempt 5 months later iirc for 25 days taking milligrams of one of my medication

 

Maybe it was a drug other than sertraline.

 

On 1/13/2020 at 4:15 AM, Shep said:

 

If you haven't already read this thread, please see this link for other members' experiences:

 

Cannabis, marijuana, hashish, THC, & CBD or Hemp oil

 

We don't recommend cbd oil or any other form of marijuana because of the unpredictable results that members post about.

....

Do you have a night guard? If not, you may want to buy one to help protect your teeth. It will also help with headaches and mouth pain caused by jaw clenching.

 

3 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

That's all, I was in a better state a year ago then I am now because of the cbd and I wonder if other people experienced the same and how to stop it.

My problem isnt the reinstatement, I've come to a manageable stage before starting to use the cbd for sleep, and now I'm worse.

My recovery was promising before the CBD and now its unbearable...

 

We've suggested a night guard for bruxism many times (go to another site to discuss causes and remedies for bruxism), we warned you about CBD oil.

 

Now, for reasons that are too complicated to trace, your nervous system is unstable again. We don't have any magic. In these situations, all we can do is urge you to hang in there, not do things to irritate your nervous system, and nurture your body while it slowly heals.

 

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see
https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

[Asi1309]

I think what I am enduring since the cbd is akathisia, its unbearable, I'm having minor fractures in my legs from walking(jogging) every day, I have walked every day for the past year! I can't stop for a single day or I'll wont be able to sleep or sleep still, this can't go on anymore!

It's not only physical, its mental as well, it's like I'm constantly stressed and revved up and can't relax *ever* 24/7/365.

I've tried to take vitamin b6 but it helping the legs a big and not the mental.

It's like being stressed PERMANENTLY. 

This is pure torture and inhuman.

I dont understand why the cbd had caused it?

I have been an year of when I started it and it manifested just as I stated above.

I've been of for more then 2 years.

And this easily worse then the entire cold Turkey combine.

What is this thing?

I can't just wait it out.

This isnt showing signs of slowing down and it's been like 7 or 8 months since it started.

I've been exercising every day for the past year and was doing more well before the cbd then after.

How the hell do I stop this?

If theres hell on earth - this is it.

And I've been through cold Turkey 

 

[Altostrata]

Nobody can tell you where your current symptoms come from. You've been on and off and cold-turkeyed many drugs.

[Asi1309]

I've been doing managble until the cbd, the cold Turkey happend more then 2 years ago, the drugs switched were preformed by the doctors, the withdrawal only started after I decide to stop once and for all.

I dont really care why it happend, just how do I stop it, this is pure torture.

Are there any ways to stop this akathisia?

The withdrawal was managbke until this all ordeal from the cbd.

 

[Altostrata]

On 6/10/2020 at 9:57 AM, Altostrata said:

Many people find fish oil and magnesium supplements helpful, see
https://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
https://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

You might try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

[Asi1309]

36 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

It doesn't help akathisia wise.

What about propanol,benadryl??

[ChessieCat]

On 8/9/2020 at 10:22 AM, Asi1309 said:

propanol

 

Correct spelling:  Propranolol

[Asi1309]

10 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Correct spelling:  Propranolol

Is it safe?

Is it addicting?

Is it effective?

[Altostrata]

Look up your drugs on drugs.com

[Asi1309]

44 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Look up your drugs on drugs.com

Is it safe and withdrawal wise?

Healthy people reviews dont mean much in withdrawal. 

I know this site doesn't recommend anything but omega and magnesium yo be on the safe side, but what are the experiences among akathisia sufferers and is it safe on withdrawal?

Drugs.com dont tell us that.

Would this drug would be considered low risk and not addicting?

How does people in this site react to it?

[Altostrata]

Use search in the Introductions forum to see other people who are taking it.

[DataGuy]

15 hours ago, Asi1309 said:

Is it safe and withdrawal wise?

Healthy people reviews dont mean much in withdrawal. 

I know this site doesn't recommend anything but omega and magnesium yo be on the safe side, but what are the experiences among akathisia sufferers and is it safe on withdrawal?

Drugs.com dont tell us that.

Would this drug would be considered low risk and not addicting?

How does people in this site react to it?

 

Hi @Asi1309,

 

Propranolol causes substantial physical dependence. Withdrawal symptoms can be pretty uncomfortable and in extremity can include hypertensive crisis and cardiac death. For akathisia, it is probably best regarded as a partial and temporary solution. Much better to tackle akathisia using non-pharmacological solutions if you can. Here is a post I made to another user suffering from akathisia listing a few non-pharma techniques that have worked for others. Unfortunately there is not too much research in this area. 

[Altostrata]

Taken regularly, propanolol needs to be tapered or you risk blood pressure rebound.

[Asi1309]

On 8/14/2020 at 7:22 PM, Altostrata said:

Taken regularly, propanolol needs to be tapered or you risk blood pressure rebound.

I've been to 3 doctors non of them wanted to give me propranolol.

One gave me ritalin, another gabapentin and today Dekinet -Biperiden an anticholinergic...

I'm not happy about this, I wouldn't even look for a cure if it wansnt that extream...

It's been almost a year I've tried everything naturally possible, I've been going on runs/walks every day know not missing a single day for a year now.

I've been taking omega 3 and magnesium for 2 years now.

Akathisia is on a whole another level let me tell you that.

It's worse then ssri's cold turky withdrawal, for sure.

It's not just akathisia, it's the constant clenaching of the mouth which requires a mouth guard to be worn 24/7, and that cause a lot of saliva and makes my digestion and bathroom visits a lot more problematic. 

I need to go on exhausting walks and runs every day, just so I could sleep and stay steady In bed at night.

Plus I'm constantly stressed which is not good at all, i think I'm going to go bald or get a heart attack If this continues as it is...

This is worse the withdrawal. 

The Facebook group seems lost aswell, they suggest propanol and not taking drugs, which I'm not for the past 2 years...

I wish I hadn't taken cbd.

How is this that I'll always get the non cure and extream and pronlemtic hellish illnesses and conditions, it's almost like I'm cursed.

I'm scared to take an anticholinergic, the last thing I want is dementia, and to further damage the brain.

There's have to be a way to ease it somehow safely.

What other users like me have done to ease akathisia?

Tell me everything, even if its supplements or drugs, it's better to take supplements then drugs, I'm already at my edge...

[manymoretodays]

Hi Asi1309,

Updates?  How have you been doing since late August?

Improvements?

Any non-drug coping that has worked for you well?

 

Oh so hoping to hear of good relief or progress in your healing.

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt