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Hello colleagues, I'm Alan, 26 years old from Barcelona. Notice that English is not written well and I will use the Google translator to communicate with you. In Spanish I can not find quality forums, so I decided to enter this. My summary story is that I was a victim of psychiatric malpractice at the age of 18, I smoked marijuana, I tried some drug and I had first love relationships, I had a very difficult one at 17, which marked my life, she was bipolar and it was something very difficult to what led me to fall into an extreme anxious depression, I medicated for half a year with several antipsychotics and some antidepressant, all very fast, I only got worse and lived the worst of the sufferings. At the end of that torture I left the center and went to a private doctor who put me in citalopram, and spend a year and a little until I wanted to leave the doctor, I left and I treated with marijuana for a while (very bad idea), In a bad moment of my life I fell back into severe depression, I could not do anything literally, it was a vegetable with a lot of pain. I was put on venlafaxine from the first center I went to for the first time, so I stayed one year until, tired of side effects, I reduced the dose to 75mg, I took 150 at the beginning. The mistake was that I took 75 every two, three days because the days without med I felt better, more active, more myself, that absurd method I did it until again because of a very hard fact in my work, added to the consumption of marijuana took me to another horrible depression, I took 150 again and it took me months to recover, I stopped marijuana. Now it has been almost a year since this last relapse and I am slowly dropping 75mg, I am really afraid because my life has been horrible for many years due to my mistakes and the mistakes of the psychiatrists. I'm reducing because I know I can not take refuge in marijuana or have a life without meaning, I need to feel emotions. I hope to be able to talk with people with similar history even if I do not know English, I do not care to translate, so I also learn ...
 
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Hi, I've been a few months reducing from 150mg until now I'm in -30 pellets less than a 37.5 pill (I take two of 37.5mg), so I'll be about 50 mg of venla.

 

My dream is correct, although since I'm lowering dose it's harder for me to sleep, maybe it takes half an hour to fall asleep. I sometimes feel insecure about myself, it's harder for me to think and my memory fails, this makes me lower my self-esteem and increase the belief that all these depressions that I have suffered, all the medication, have damaged my mind. I know that this is not the case and that it is the withdrawal.

 

I am removing 10 balls from a shell more or less every two weeks so I think I am going slowly, right now I write this I notice that it is more difficult for me to flow and think quickly, I must associate this with my current state and with what I am like. You have to be constantly alert not to fall into the traps of the mind. At the moment I still do not feel many emotions, the main reason why I want to leave the med is because I do not feel emotions, I have not been able to enjoy sex for a long time and only I'm 26 years old, I've been in this since I was 18. Torture ... I hope the translator works and you can understand me. Thank you

 

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Altostrata

It sounds like your nervous system is having some difficulty with your tapering method. You might want to take out 6 beads every 2 weeks and see if that is more tolerable.

 

That rate would be 12 beads per month. If you get withdrawal symptoms or sleep disruption at any point, stop tapering -- your nervous system needs to adjust.

 

Tapering will take as long as it takes, it's important not to injure your nervous system by going too fast.


Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

Please let us know how you're doing.

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Thank you very much for the information, I am willing to try these supplements although my question is, with a balanced diet I do not obtain those elements? My retirement with 10 balls every two weeks is not being very hard, even so it is not at all pleasant especially for the cognitive part, I feel slower, with less ideas and creativity. I feel slower to respond to situations at the moment but without being serious. I think I can continue in this way without problems yet I am afraid to see myself without drugs after having lived with them for so long, I hope to function and feel emotions again and my natural mental speed. Now that I do not use marijuana, which was the main cause of my increased anxiety and depression, I think everything will be fine. Thank you!

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When you're tapering, your body appreciates extra amounts of some nutrients, such as magnesium and omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil. Farm soil has been depleted of magnesium, we don't get enough in food now.

 

If you're feeling a bit disoriented now, it could get worse as you continue removing 10 beads at a time. As you go lower in dosage, 10 beads represents a larger and larger proportional decrease of your current dosage. (I hope this translates correctly.) While you may start out with a 10% per month decrease, continuing to remove 10 beads becomes 12%, then 15%, and so forth. Your nervous system senses these as bigger changes and may start to complain more loudly.

 

Recommend you taper by fewer beads now, even 9 beads instead of 10 beads. No need to rush, you'll be doing this for a while.

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Alanmane

I understand, from here two weeks I will remove less than 10 balls, I am not in a hurry although you do want to leave. I will start taking those supplements since I see that they really serve for withdrawals, I also use CBD at night and it goes well to relax and sleep. The good thing is that I am not feeling anxious and I sleep well, it only costs me a bit to fall asleep (half an hour). My main problem is to feel somewhat stunned and mentally slow, concentration and memory are depleted. First of all I have the will to continue with this process, I can not know if I will be fine or I will relapse into depression, but I will try correctly.

 

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I know that I am in the middle of a retreat, I am less than half the initial dose (150), as I am doing well and I can with this and still I am afraid of the future. I can not imagine my life without antidepressants. For years I have smoked marijuana and taken antidepressants, now that I do not smoke to take care of my health, and I am withdrawing venlafaxine I feel my mind less stimulated, less active and fatigued. I do not like to feel dull, I flow with more difficulty, my thought is slower, I hope to be quick and agile as I have been other times still under the effects of marijuana and venla, I want to be myself without drugs at once. I want to respect myself.

 

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Altostrata

Feeling mentally slow can be a withdrawal symptom. You might want to stop tapering for a month and let your body rest. It needs to get used to less drug.

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Alanmane

Yes, I'm not going fast. It is common that when withdrawing and lowering dose affects the concentration and in summary the cognitive processes do not? I do not think I'm being an idiot

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Altostrata

Yes, lack of concentration and cognitive fogginess are common when withdrawing. Your nervous system needs to adjust.

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Alanmane

Hello partners,

 
I wanted to ask if once I get to 37.5 of xxx, I can continue to decrease without going to immediate release, I think it will be more practical to take twice a day. Is there much difference not going to immediate release? Although I have a few months to reach 37.5mg but I have a doubt. It is not hard for me to remove 30 pellets right now from one of the two 37.5mg capsules that I take, in a week I will remove 40 pellets, abstinence is not hard, although I notice that my mind is slower, I find it hard to fall asleep and I have no pleasant feelings ... Even so I'm better than taking more dose of venlafaxine, I want to have feelings, cry, laugh ... I try not to think that I will always be like that, that my intelligence has suffered, I'm sure it's temporary, a year ago I smoked a lot of marijuana and took 75mg of effexor and my mind was very sharp, fast, now that I do not smoke marijuana my mind is more muted, it is strange, should not it be the opposite? Sometimes I do not understand the events that happen to me, I feel that I have too much information to assimilate and process.
 
I know I'm doing it right, I did not imagine that I would be the way I am today, so I'm improving.

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Alanmane
 
Today, after 20 days having removed 10 less balls, I decided to remove 20 more, in total 50 balls less than a 37.5mg capsule of effexor, I will be about 55mg approx.
 
I have decided to remove 20 instead of 10 because I do not think it is something exaggerated, I know I will spend a few hectic days and then I will stabilize, today I feel strange, I feel agitation and a slight ill being, something less concentrated and I find it hard to think.
 
The important thing is that I am not afraid to carry out the process, although I do not fully trust a life without antidepressants, I started at 18 and I am 26 years old, for me it is a long time, I feel that I am going to a totally different life and it scares me . I hope I'm lucky and that my head adapts and works without the drug. In my case effexor has been a cause of being depressed, it only helped me in the hardest moments when it was better not to feel anything

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Altostrata

You may find it easier to weigh the beads rather than count them.

 

We have told you repeatedly not to go too fast. Your assumption that you will have only minor symptoms may be wrong. We may not be able to help you if you get bad symptoms.

 

Please consider whether you want to demonstrate to yourself that going off drugs is too hard. You can stay on them if you wish, you don't have to try to go off.

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Alanmane

A reduction of 20 balls does not seem an alarming amount, I am on the third day and now I begin to notice abstinence, it is unpleasant but I can with it, I feel fatigued, confused, mentally slow, I act forced without spontaneity. Deep down I know that will happen in a few days and I promise I promise that the next reductions will be 10 balls until it reaches 37.5mg.

 
I do not know where I read that the third day is usually the hardest when it is reduced, for me it is always since I am in this process. I bought fish oil that I start taking in the morning, I'm thinking about getting magnesium but I'm not sure ...
 
Thank you all for your kind willingness to accompany us in this process

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ChessieCat
2 hours ago, Alanmane said:

I am on the third day and now I begin to notice abstinence, it is unpleasant

 

This is a sign that you are reducing too quickly.  When we take the drug away too quickly we get withdrawal symptoms.

 

I suggest that you immediately start taking extra drug.  If you have reduced by 20 balls you could increase your dose by 10 balls.

 

This might help you to understand SA's recommendations:

 

"When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) " 

 

Because you have been going too quickly, it would be a good idea to hold at that dose for 2-3 months, or possibly more, which will allow your brain to catch up.

 

1 hour ago, Alanmane said:

I do not know where I read that the third day is usually the hardest when it is reduced, for me it is always since I am in this process.

 

This is because it takes about 4 days for a dose change to get to full level in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.

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I understand ... I've been researching this for months, information I do not lack, I just thought that lowering 20 balls was not something serious and I can do it without suffering too much, I'm not feeling bad, I'm just noticing the reduction with its agitation, headache, weakness etc ... if I see that it is bearable and nothing out of control would be good to continue with: 37.5mg + 37.5mg - 50 balls? Is it really stupid and irresponsible to have tried to go a little faster? Now I have doubts about whether to continue like this or tomorrow to take - 40 ... this should be medically supervised not on my own, this current psychiatric reality is very inhuman. I see myself alone with the problem, talking on the Internet, just that.

 
Someone who has left effexor taking out balls every month, could you tell me how many they have taken?
 
I'll be fine in a short time, I trust it.
 
Thanks partners.

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It's a bad sign when you get withdrawal symptoms.  And there may come a time when they stay bad and/or get worse.  Your brain is screaming out that it needs more of the drug.  It would be much better to take the extra straight away instead of waiting.

 

What you may not understand is that it has nothing to do with how strong we are as people and that we should be able to be disciplined and strong and tough it out.  It is about our brains being changed by the drug we have taken and it has adapted to getting the drug.  The brain needs the drug.  It's not a craving like nicotine or caffeine.

 

I will tell you about my own experience.  I had a benchmark so I knew it was because of the drug and not my imagination.

 

I was taking 100mg Pristiq and started taking 50mg.  For 3 weeks I had very bad cog/brain fog.  Even walking took all of my concentration.  At the end of the 3 weeks I was unable to type.  I have been a professional typist for 40+years so I knew that something was wrong.  I had joined SA a few days before this happened and they had suggested that I take extra Pristiq.  When I couldn't type I took extra Pristiq and about 4 hours later (yes only 4 hours) I was able to type again and my brain fog was clearing.

 

After staying on that dose for a few months I have been tapering following SA's protocol and am now down to 6mg.  I do still get withdrawal symptoms but they have usually been mild. 

 

From this topic which applies to updosing as well:  About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

 

Instead of this:  "Don't suddenly go off medication assuming that reinstatement is a safety net."

 

you could read, don't try and reduce your drug too quickly assuming that updosing is a safety net, or will work.

 

"Once the nervous system is destabilized by withdrawal, all bets are off. Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall."

 

I can see that you are from Barcelona so I am unsure if you know that Humpty Dumpty is a children's nursery rhyme character.  He is an egg:

 

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

 

On 10/9/2012 at 10:17 AM, Altostrata said:

Don't suddenly go off medication assuming that reinstatement is a safety net. This is one of the reasons we advocate gradual tapering to minimize withdrawal symptoms. Once the nervous system is destabilized by withdrawal, all bets are off. Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall.

 

Reinstatement does not always work, and you may have to live with severe withdrawal syndrome for a long while. Medicine wants to believe the acute phase of withdrawal lasts only a few weeks. From what people have posted on the Web, it can last many months.

 

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Alanmane

I have asked a stupid question since it depends on the brand the balls vary ... I am not very concentrated. I counted some capsules of 37.5mg and there are between 130 and 140 pellets.

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4 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Es una mala señal cuando tienes síntomas de abstinencia. Y puede llegar un momento en que permanezcan mal y / o empeoren. Tu cerebro está gritando que necesita más de la droga.  Sería mucho mejor tomar el extra de inmediato en lugar de esperar .

 

Lo que tal vez no entiendas es que no tiene nada que ver con lo fuertes que somos como personas y que debemos ser disciplinados, fuertes y rudos. Se trata de que nuestro cerebro haya cambiado por el medicamento que hemos tomado y se ha adaptado para obtenerlo. El cerebro necesita la droga. Es no un antojo como la nicotina o la cafeína.

 

Te contaré sobre mi propia experiencia. Tenía un punto de referencia, así que sabía que era por la droga y no por mi imaginación.

 

Estaba tomando Pristiq de 100 mg y comencé a tomar 50 mg. Durante 3 semanas tuve muy mala cog / cerebro niebla. Incluso caminar tomó toda mi concentración. Al final de las 3 semanas no pude escribir. He sido mecanógrafa profesional durante más de 40 años, así que sabía que algo estaba mal. Me había unido a SA unos días antes de que sucediera esto y me habían sugerido que tomara Pristiq extra. Cuando no pude escribir, tomé Pristiq extra y unas 4 horas más tarde (sí, solo 4 horas) pude escribir de nuevo y mi niebla mental se estaba despejando.

 

Después de permanecer en esa dosis durante unos meses, he estado disminuyendo siguiendo el protocolo de SA y ahora he bajado a 6 mg. Todavía tengo síntomas de abstinencia pero generalmente han sido leves. 

 

De este tema que también se aplica a la sobredosis:  acerca de restablecer y estabilizar para reducir los síntomas de abstinencia

 

En lugar de esto: "No deje de tomar los medicamentos de repente, suponiendo que la reincorporación es una red de seguridad".

 

podría leer , no intente y reduzca su medicamento demasiado rápido suponiendo que la sobredosis es una red de seguridad, o funcionará.

 

"Una vez que el sistema nervioso se desestabiliza con la retirada, todas las apuestas se cancelan . Humpty Dumpty se ha caído de la pared".

 

Puedo ver que eres de Barcelona, así que no estoy seguro si sabes que Humpty Dumpty es un personaje infantil de rima infantil.  Él es un huevo :

 

Humpty Dumpty se sentó en una pared,
Humpty Dumpty tuvo una gran caída;
Todos los caballos del rey y todos los hombres del rey.
No se pudo poner a Humpty de nuevo juntos.

 

 

I liked Humpy Dumpy :), you have made me understand better, I accept that this attempt to get down a little faster is only because of my impetus, my natural strength for wanting to end the obstacle, I can not run even a little more if I do not want to have a bad time.

 
Tomorrow I will take - 40 instead of - 50. As usual I am anxious to live without effexor, but in 5 months I have gone from 150mg to about 60mg and I am stable so everything is fine. I will pay attention to what you say.
 
The following question comes to me: when will I know that I have to reduce less than 10%? When it reaches 37.5? I can not know or nobody believe but you'll see ...
 
Thank you very much for your quick answers and your knowledge.
 
PS: I translate everything I write because my English level is not very high

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WantoffVen

Alanmane we all agree we wish the psychiatric community was supportive and knowledgeable as they should be. But it is awesome you have this site on the internet to use. Please Please do NOT reduce too quickly. People are telling you this from their experiences and the experiences of others. You are doing great. No need to rush to the finish line and suffer repercussions. I am currently weaning off Effexor by reducing balls and currently I am holding. It never hurts to hold extra. Keep up the good work.

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I am really pleased that you understand and have decided to updose.

 

It is a good idea to keep daily notes on paper of your symptoms.  That way you will be able to see if the updose is reducing the symptoms.

 

We need to listen to our bodies, and throw the calendar away.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?


Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist

 

These topics might help answer your questions:

 

Stabilising After a Reduction - What Does That Mean?
 

Withdrawal Normal Description

 

Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery 

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7 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Estoy muy contento de que usted entienda y haya decidido actualizar.

 

Es una buena idea mantener notas diarias en papel de sus síntomas. De esa manera podrá ver si la actualización está reduciendo los síntomas.

 

Necesitamos escuchar nuestros cuerpos y tirar el calendario.

 

¿Por qué disminuir un 10% de mi dosis?


Lista de verificación de síntomas de WD del Dr. Joseph Glenmullen

 

Estos temas pueden ayudar a responder sus preguntas:

 

Estabilizador después de una reducción: ¿qué significa eso?
 

Retiro Normal Descripción

 

Patrón de estabilización de ventanas y ondas.

 

Video: La curación de los antidepresivos - Patrones de recuperación 

Thank you very much, I will read everything and I will keep a diary from tomorrow.

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You are doing well.

 

Please be patient.  You may find that some of your symptoms improve within 2 days but it takes about 4 days for a dose change to get to full level in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain.

 

Also, when we updose it is to reduce the withdrawal symptoms.  It doesn't always get rid of them completely.  Hopefully it will make you feel a bit better.

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8 minutes ago, WantoffVen said:

Alanmane, todos estamos de acuerdo en que deseamos que la comunidad psiquiátrica sea de apoyo y con conocimientos como deberían. Pero es increíble que tengas este sitio en internet para usar. Por favor, por favor, no reducir demasiado rápido. La gente te está diciendo esto desde sus experiencias y las experiencias de otros. Lo estás haciendo genial. No hay necesidad de correr hacia la línea de meta y sufrir repercusiones. Actualmente estoy destetando a Effexor reduciendo bolas y actualmente estoy sosteniendo. Nunca duele sostener extra. Sigan con el buen trabajo.

I totally agree with you, I thank you for your words and support. How is the retreat going? Could you tell me about cognitive problems if you have? It is what affects me the most emotionally since it makes me feel silly, less intelligent than a year ago and when I smoked a lot of marijuana and took 75mg of effexor, it is very confusing to be deprived of concentration, memory, memories, emotions.

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10 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Lo estás haciendo bien.

 

Por favor sea paciente. Es posible que algunos de sus síntomas mejoren en 2 días, pero se tarda unos 4 días para que un cambio de dosis alcance el nivel completo en la sangre y un poco más de tiempo para que se registre en el cerebro.

 

Además, cuando lo actualizamos es reducir los síntomas de abstinencia. No siempre se deshace de ellos completamente. Esperemos que te haga sentir un poco mejor.

 

I understand, I am sure that I have not caused any harm by being 3 days with a reduction of 20 balls, tomorrow I will take 10 more and I will be better, until I stabilize I will not go down again

 

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I am much older than you are so I might at time have some memory issues. I am going to start seeing a counsellor next week for cognitive behavior therapy as I have always been a worrier and have anxiety. I am excited to see what I will learn. You know what I remember from marijuana smoking days which was many many years ago for me was I probably wasn't nearly as intelligent smoking marijuana as I thought I was. Just a thought. So you have NO one on here telling you to speed up the process. I hope you have noticed. Take care.

 

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8 minutes ago, WantoffVen said:

Soy mucho mayor que usted, así que en algún momento podría tener algunos problemas de memoria. Voy a comenzar a ver a un consejero la próxima semana para terapia cognitiva conductual, ya que siempre me he preocupado y tengo ansiedad. Estoy emocionado de ver lo que aprenderé. Sabes lo que recuerdo de los días de fumar marihuana, que fue hace muchos años para mí, probablemente no era tan inteligente como lo creía. Solo un pensamiento. Entonces, NO hay nadie aquí que le diga que acelere el proceso. Espero que te hayas dado cuenta. Cuídate.

 

I understand marijuana, but if it is true that I had more memory, capacity for concentration and abstraction etc ... Not that I missed it but I have recently and I know that it is so, on the other hand it caused me damage and prevented I will be cured of depression.

 
I hope the therapy goes well, it sure is very good.

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Today I have taken more doses and I feel better, now I have just calculated 10% of 140, the number of balls in each capsule of 37.5mg, should reduce 14 each month if all goes well. I was reducing 10 balls, and 4 days ago I reduced to 20, when I noticed abstience, it would be good to start now 14 balls every 4 weeks if I feel good right?

 
When I reach 37.5mg I will go to the standard version and make a liquid solution.

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I had some free time today, so I translated using Google for you.

Tuve algo de tiempo libre hoy, así que he traducido usando Google para ti.

 

me encanta Google 😊

 

Please add dates to to your signature when you made dose changes.

 

Por favor - Nos gustaría que agregue las fechas a su firma cuando haya realizado cambios en su dosis.

 

If you don't know the exact date, please add the month.  Thank you.  Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature

Si no conoce la fecha exacta, agregue el mes. Gracias.

 

2018: Venlafaxina alternate days 75 mg

2018: Venlafaxina 150 mg and tapper to 55 mg

 

 

11 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

it would be good to start now 14 balls every 4 weeks if I feel good right?

 

You have been tapering very quickly.  It would be a good idea to stay at the dose you are now taking for at least 2 to 3 months.  Maybe 4 months. 

Has estado reduciendo muy rápidamente este año. Sería una buena idea tomar la dosis que está tomando ahora durante al menos 2 a 3 meses.  

Tal vez 4 meses.

 

This will give your brain time to make changes. The brain needs additional time to get used to not receiving more medication. This year you reduced your drug too fast.

Esto le dará tiempo a tu cerebro para hacer cambios. El cerebro necesita tiempo adicional para acostumbrarse a no recibir más medicamentos. Este año redujiste tu droga demasiado rápido.

 

Once you are feeling okay most of the time then it will be time to make another reduction.

Una vez que se sienta bien la mayor parte del tiempo, será el momento de hacer otra reducción.

 

We say to stay on a dose for 4 weeks, but sometimes we need to stay on a dose for longer.

 

Recomendamos tomar una dosis durante 4 semanas, pero a veces necesitamos tomar una dosis por más tiempo.

 

We need to listen to our body and what symptoms we are getting to know if it is okay to reduce again.

Necesita escuchar a su cuerpo y los síntomas que siente para ayudarlo a saber si está bien reducir la dosis nuevamente.

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43 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

Today I have taken more doses and I feel better

 

That is very good to know. I'm happy that you feel a little better.

Eso es muy bueno saberlo. Estoy feliz de que te sientas un poco mejor.

 

You may still have a few times when you feel well and other times when you feel worse. You will have to be patient.  We call it windows and waves.  It is normal.

Es posible que aún tenga algunas ocasiones en que se sienta bien y otras veces cuando se sienta peor. Tendrá que ser paciente.  Lo llamamos ventanas y olas.  Es normal.

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You are very kind, I am sorry if everything I write Google does not translate well into English. I will continue at my pace, little by little and without haste, I will comment on my process, which I hope will be calm.

 
Huges

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I'm on my second day in - 40 balls, two days before this I made the mistake of going to - 50 ... I feel so stupid ... I do not know how I could trust that it would be easy (I really did not know). Since yesterday my leg muscles ache, I feel confused and depersonalized. I am not afraid because I know what will happen in a short time.

 
It is strange because every time I have reduced the dose my sex life has improved but this time not due to the tension and changes that I am receiving, I expected to continue well or better but I am worse in that aspect, I understand it because I feel something wrong , fatigued, unmotivated ... I'm just curious.
 
On the other hand I feel the strength to continue and no symptoms are extreme, I can cope with it even though it is annoying. One of my biggest concerns when taking effexor was that I could not enjoy sex, since I am at 75mg and reducing yes I can enjoy and see that now it does not depress me, but it will be very safe, I just have to wait to balance the dose to be able to relax I know I am going to be able, I am able to and you make me feel accompanied.
 
Thank you

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Everybody makes mistakes.  Don't feel stupid.   

 

Withdrawal is unpredictable.  It doesn't go in a straight line.

 

You are doing fine.

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Alanmane
14 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Todos cometen errores. No te sientas estúpido.   

 

La retirada es impredecible. No va en línea recta.

 

Lo estas haciendo bien.

Thanks really, only today I feel strange but I remain firm, my character is of constant demand and for this reason I am frustrated, I am learning to tolerate my past mistakes ...

 
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