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I just fell into an important fact, I do not know how I have not noticed before. I am reducing 10% of a capsule of 37.5mg, in each capsule there are 140 pellets, that gives 14 every 4 weeks. But I take two capsules of 37.5mg, in total 280 pellets, 10% of 280 is 28. What I have to reduce is 28 and not 14 true? I do not know why I was thinking about 10% of a capsule if I take two ... I am deconcentrated. In this case I have been reducing much slower.

 
Tell me if I'm wrong please.
 
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ChessieCat
8 hours ago, Alanmane said:

You are very kind, I am sorry if everything I write Google does not translate well into English.

 

We are understanding each other . I just wanted to make sure that what I wrote was translated into Spanish the right way.  

I am using the translator and checking that what I write is translated correctly.

 

Please remember that you have been reducing very quickly.  Keep taking the same dose you are taking now. Do not take out more pellets. Next time you can calculate it in the correct way.

 

The next time you reduce, count the amount of pellets you have been taking this time and multiply them by 0.9.  That will be the amount of pellets that you will need to take.

 

I hope you understand the algebra. I have replaced letters instead of numbers.

 

1 x 37.5mg capsule = 140 pellets, 2 x 37.5mg capsules = 280 pellets

 

Current dose is 140 pellets (1 capsule) + a pellets = b pellets

 

New dose:  b pellets x 0.9 = c pellets

 

c pellets - 140 pellets (37.5mg capsule) = d pellets

 

take 1 capsule + d pellets

 

 

Example:

 

140 pellets + 100 pellets = 240 pellets

 

240 pellets x 0.9 = 216 pellets

 

216 pellets - 140 pellets (37.5mg capsule) = 76

 

take 1 capsule + 76 pellets (or remove 64 pellets)

 

The next reduction would be:

 

216 pellets x 0.9 = 195 pellets

 

195 pellets - 140 pellets (37.5mg capsule) = 55 pellets

 

take 1 capsule + 55 pellets (or remove 85 pellets)

 

 

I hope the example makes it easy to understand.

 

 

 

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Alanmane
8 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Nos estamos entendiendo. Solo quería asegurarme de que lo que escribí se tradujo al español de la manera correcta.  

Estoy usando el traductor y verificando que lo que escribo esté traducido correctamente.

 

Por favor, recuerde que ha estado reduciendo muy rápidamente.  Siga tomando la misma dosis que está tomando ahora. No saques más pellets. La próxima vez podrás calcularlo de la manera correcta.

 

La próxima vez que reduzca, cuente la cantidad de pellets que ha estado tomando esta vez y multiplíquelos por 0.9. Esa será la cantidad de pellets que necesitarás tomar.

 

Espero que entiendas el álgebra. He reemplazado letras en lugar de números.

 

1 x 37.5 mg cápsula = 140 gránulos, 2 x 37.5 mg cápsulas = 280 gránulos

 

La dosis actual es de 140 pellets (1 cápsula) + a pellets = b pellets

 

Nueva dosis:  b pellets x 0.9 = c pellets

 

C pellets - 140 pellets (cápsula de 37.5 mg) = d pellets

 

tomar 1 cápsula + d pellets

 

 

Ejemplo:

 

140 pellets + 100 pellets = 240 pellets

 

240 gránulos x 0.9 = 216 gránulos

 

216 gránulos - 140 gránulos (cápsula de 37.5 mg) = 76

 

tomar 1 cápsula + 76 gránulos (o eliminar 64 gránulos)

 

La próxima reducción sería:

 

216 pellets x 0.9 = 195 pellets

 

195 bolitas - 140 bolitas (cápsula de 37.5 mg) = 55 bolitas

 

tomar 1 cápsula + 55 gránulos (o quitar 85 gránulos)

 

 

Espero que el ejemplo lo haga fácil de entender.

 

 

 

Hello! Now I understand well. Then I have been reducing very slowly, I only took 10 balls every three weeks, anyway I will not reduce until it is stable again. It is much easier to calculate by multiplying the current dose by 0.9.

 
I appreciate the effort of using the translator too, I appreciate it very much.
 
I hope this wave happens soon, today I just took antibiotics that I was taking for an operation and I hope this improves my mood, I have felt more insecure these days ...
 
A greeting.

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ChessieCat
5 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

I appreciate the effort of using the translator too, I appreciate it very much.

 

You are welcome. It is important to know that the information is accurate.

 

I'm glad you understand.

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Alanmane

Hi all,

 
When I realize that the state is reducing less than 10% and still the state is wrong, it gives me the thought that the great part of the symptoms caused me that the thought that the reduction will go, in part is positive to give me This is what I have to do with the power to alleviate my state with the suggestion.
 
10 balls was less than 5%. I am an expert in causing you anguish :)

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On 10/14/2018 at 8:24 AM, Alanmane said:

The mistake was that I took 75 every two, three days

 

On 10/15/2018 at 7:42 AM, Alanmane said:

I've been a few months reducing from 150mg until now I'm in -30 pellets less than a 37.5 pill (I take two of 37.5mg), so I'll be about 50 mg of venla.

 

You have changed from 150 to about 50 very quickly.  Your brain needs time to adapt to less medication.  That is the reason why you have withdrawal symptoms.  Because you reduced too fast.

 

8 hours ago, Alanmane said:

This is what I have to do with the power to alleviate my state with the suggestion.

 

It has nothing to do with positive thinking.  The brain needs to make changes.  It has nothing to do with how you think.  The brain does not receive as much medicine and needs time to adapt.  That is why I suggest taking the current dose for approximately 3 months.  Because you reduced too fast.  After 3 or more months you can try to reduce by 10%.

 

If you reduce by 10% and have withdrawal symptoms, you should stay at that dose for more than 4 weeks.  Because the brain needs more time to adapt.

 

You're doing fine, but you need to be patient.  It is better to go slowly and not experience withdrawal symptoms instead of reducing the medication too quickly.

 

I hope that explains what is happening and that you understand why it is better to go slowly.

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Alanmane

Hola compañera

 
Sobre los 75mg cada dos días, eso fue hace un año. Desde que se redujo hasta el 5% (el 10% de una cápsula o menos ahora que siempre 10 bolitas), así que estoy yendo realmente poco a poco.
 
Lo que sí he entendido es de 75 mg.
 
Ahora estoy en 240 bolitas en total (280 dos cápsulas de 37,5)
 
Lo estoy haciendo bien, hoy me siento mejor aunque no feliz. Seguimos luchando.
 

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Hello companion

 

About 75mg every two days, that was a year ago.  Since it was reduced to 5% (10% of a capsule or less now than always 10 balls), I am really very little by little. 

 

What I have understood is 75 mg.

 

Now I am in 240 balls in total (280 two capsules of 37.5)

 

I'm doing well, today I feel better but not happy. We are still struggling.

 

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ChessieCat
8 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

About 75mg every two days, that was a year ago.

 

This can have an effect much later.

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Alanmane

It sounds shocking, the truth is the page, the way to take the dose with a disabling depression. , perhaps the worst of the 3 I have had in 26 years of life. You can not have a fourth for which I will leave home, have a good life and have a healthy life (only nicotine consumption with a vaporizer and coffee every day, I am addicted).

 
I am anxious to feel my real self.
 
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Alanmane

I do not want to bother anyone writing my thoughts in this thread, but I want to share concerns that I have right now: I have the feeling of not knowing who I am sometimes, I started at 18 to take antidepressants and I'm 26, I'll have been two years without medicate me during these years. Not feeling just emotions, not laughing, not feeling fullness seems to affect my character and personal development, many times I see little capable of simple things. I do not know what I am and what medication is, I can not see the difference. To think that during these years I have damaged my identity, my emotions, my personality ... it is something that scares me and I do not imagine building from where I am, I do not say this from the depression, I say it from my sincerity and what I see as real.

 

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Other members say the same. And they are also scared.

 

The person has been numbed and may not have learned life skills.  How to deal with the things that happen in life.  How to deal with emotions when things happen in life.  It is important that you learn to cope with life.  You could see a counselor and tell them you want to learn how to deal with life or life skills.  You do not have to tell them about withdrawal symptoms. Some people do not understand about the withdrawal symptoms of medications.

 

I learned cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) about 4 years ago and it helps me. I wish I had learned it when I was young.

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Alanmane

Yes, it sure is something very common and maybe out of the drug I see that it is more than what I think now. If I find a good cognitive behavioral therapist I will do therapy, I do not want to go to anybody ... I am willing to learn and to fight

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1 minute ago, Alanmane said:

If I find a good cognitive behavioral therapist I will do therapy, I do not want to go to anybody

 

Yes, it is important to find a good one.  You may have to try different people before you find the right one.

 

You can start by learning online.  CBT Course:  An Introductory Self-Help Course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy and they have translations too 😊https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/translated.html

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Thank you very much, I will read all that information! I will look to find a good therapist, without hurry.

 

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After pasting the text in the answer box, you can sometimes see "Paste as simple text" at the bottom of the box.  It is a white text on a black bar at the bottom of the answer box.  If you click on that after pasting the translated text, it will be better to read it.  Thank you.

 

If you are a good apprentice of online lessons, you may not need to see a counselor.  Or you may need to see a counselor for only a few lessons.  That can save you time and money.  Good luck. ☺️

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Alanmane

A week ago I reduced a bit the dose of see and I feel much better, the anguish and agitation vanish. I cut less than 10% by mistake, I guess this is why the discomfort has passed quickly. Today I started taking magnesium citrate 400mg and it's strange, I do not know if it's a placebo but I feel more relaxed and alert, I notice a lot of benefits.

 

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3 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Today I started taking magnesium citrate 400mg and it's strange, I do not know if it's a placebo but I feel more relaxed and alert, I notice a lot of benefits.

 

It is better to take smaller amounts throughout the day. Not 400 mg all at once.

 

When I take magnesium it reduces my anxiety.

 

If you begin to have an upset stomach, you are taking too much.

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Alanmane

The pills that I bought are 400mg, I have not had any discomfort, only benefits luckily. So read it is not an extreme dose, it could take up to 800mg without problems

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Hello, I would like to ask a question that I have, it is something that happened to me while taking a higher dose but now it also happens. I have the feeling of not thinking. I act and do the tasks of my life but rarely do I find myself reasoning an idea and when I want to do it I have difficulty expressing in words or developing the idea. It was much worse in 150mg, now in 55mg I still have that feeling and the truth is that it affects my self-esteem, I look less capable, with difficulty doing something so basic that it is thinking, reasoning, creating ideas. I know this will improve but I wonder if it happens to people who take antidepressants or if it happens while you are in retreat. It may be anxiety or agitation, mental fatigue ... I do not know

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Hey Alanmane, I saw that you responded to my scale comment so I thought I'd read your intro post and come here. Coming off of Effexor has been difficult, but worth it.  When I got down to around 30-35mg is when I started feeling emotions again. I would feel extremely angry or sad and would need to ask my husband if it was normal in that situation, and he'd say yes. But it seemed like extreme emotions to me and has seemed to calm down a bit.

 

You might get sick of counting or weighing but you have to keep doing it. You might accidentally take 2 doses in one day (did that once) and it will set you back. But keep it up :) Also, know the importance of holding when you don't feel well or are going through a big change. When we moved to a new home, I held. When I was sick with bronchitis for 6 weeks, I held. I noticed that I was getting odd anxiety symptoms, I held. You have to really be patient and become super aware of your body.

 

Effexor is one of the hardest to come off of. My doctor told me he hasn't known ANYONE that's come off. So we're doing something tough, give yourself some props for that.  Let me know if you have any other specific questions and good luck :)

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Alanmane
Hello Friend! Thank you for responding to my message, knowing someone who has achieved it is important to me. The reality is that every time I reduce the dose I feel better than when I took higher doses, now in 55mg I am better than in 150, 100.75 ... how hard are the first weeks, the body complains even reducing a 10 %, but relieved to know that it is only abstinence, and that it ends up disappearing.
 
I have been in effexor for three years, a year ago I wanted to reduce but I was wrong and had no knowledge about the matter, I smoked marijuana every day and down from 150 to 75mg, once in 75mg I started taking a pill every three days .. That led me to relapse into a strong depression, I gradually stabilized 150mg until now that I am at 55mg approx.
 
My most annoying symptoms are, above all, not feeling only emotions, difficulty thinking, concentrating, memory ... But since I have reduced, I am better the truth.
 
Did you always lose 10%? What do you think about going from effexor xr to normal once it reaches 37.5? I think I will not go back to normal and I'll leave the xr even if I have to take it twice a day, I think it would be easier for me.
 
What she told me that from 37.5 started to feel emotions excites me a lot, I feel like crying, feeling emotions, feeling alive after so long ...
 
I hope the translation from Spanish to English is understood.
 
It is a pleasure and an honor to meet you.
 
Alan

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On 11/9/2018 at 11:36 AM, Alanmane said:

Thank you for responding to my message, knowing someone who has achieved it is important to me. The reality is that every time I reduce the dose I feel better than when I took higher doses, now in 55mg I am better than in 150, 100.75 .

 

Hola, Alan, mucho gusto. 

 

It's a great sign that as you are getting lower in dose, the better you're feeling. 

 

I have no doubt that you will begin to experience real emotions again, including the precious feeling of being alive. 

 

Cuídate ❤️

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Alanmane
13 hours ago, SkyBlue said:

 

Hola, Alan, mucho gusto. 

 

Es una buena señal de que a medida que se reduce la dosis, mejor se sentirá. 

 

No tengo ninguna duda de que volverás a experimentar emociones reales, incluido el precioso sentimiento de estar vivo. 

 

Cuídate ❤️

Hello Friend! I just read your comment and it has made me happy, it's something very nice and I thank you for this.

You're a good person.

The struggles make us stronger.

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Alanmane

¡Hola a todos! Me gustaría conocer las historias de personas que han abandonado con éxito Venlafaxine o que están saliendo de ella, para mí es terapéutico leer a personas que lo han logrado o están logrando esto, mi creencia de que se puede reafirmar.

 
He bajado de 150 mg a 64 mg en aproximadamente 6 meses y me siento mejor que antes. Si alguien quiere saber mi historia puedes leer mi introducción.
 
Traduzco lo que publiqué del español al inglés, ya que no escribo en inglés ... De todos modos, este es el mejor foro para dejar los antidepresivos que conozco, ¡tal vez el mejor del mundo!
 
Gracias.
 
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Hi all! I would like to know the stories of people who have successfully quit Venlafaxine or who are leaving it, for me it is therapeutic to read people who have achieved or are achieving this, my belief that it can be reaffirmed.

 
I have dropped from 150 mg to 64 mg in about 6 months and I feel better than before. If someone wants to know my story you can read my introduction.
 
I translate what I published from Spanish to English, since I do not write in English ... Anyway, this is the best forum to stop the antidepressants I know, maybe the best in the world!
 
Thank you.
 
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Alanmane

One question, is normal dry mouth in withdrawal? I do not know if it is for this reason or because I use a vaper to replace the tobacco (half a year ago I quit smoking), nicotine consumption and that may also be the cause ..

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There is an area of the site with success stories. I have done a search for members who have successfully stopped Effexor / venlafaxine.

 

Click on these links:

 

Effexor search

 

venlafaxine search

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Alanmane

Thanks for the info🙃

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Alanmane

Only one thought: intellectually I understand that I can leave effexor but emotionally somehow I feel afraid to fail and achieve it, I feel that my mind is not strong enough to achieve it and I would like to know how to change my attitude. From 150 to 64mg it was easy, but from 64 to 37? From 37 to 0? I can not know what will happen, nobody can know.

 

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9 hours ago, Alanmane said:

emotionally somehow I feel afraid to fail and achieve it, I feel that my mind is not strong enough to achieve it and I would like to know how to change my attitude.

 

 

You will not go from 64 to 37 in a jump. It will be gradual.  You will not go from 37 to 0 in a jump.  You may have to slow down after 20 or 10.

 

When we had a bad experience before, we are afraid it will happen again. We must understand that before we did not know how to eliminate the medication slowly and that is why we had a bad experience. Now we know a better way to reduce our drug.

 

Eliminating the drug little by little means that the brain can adapt little by little. When we eliminate the medication too quickly, we may have severe symptoms. Eliminating the medication slowly means that the symptoms are not as severe.

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Alanmane

Yes, that is the truth, as in the past I did wrong, I think it will be like that again, I must relax and be aware despite this brain fog that prevents me from thinking clearly.

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Alanmane

Hello! Almost 4 weeks have passed since I reduced and I feel good, I will not lower 10% and keep it. I have a question since I can not calculate it, now I'm on 64mg of effexor xr, would anyone know how long it would take me to reach 0mg using 10% every 4 weeks? I'm not in a hurry but I want to know it out of curiosity, if someone can give me an approximate answer, I'd appreciate it.

 
I am experiencing that the best remedy to deal with the first weeks of WD is to get distracted and not think about the discomfort, they end up disappearing above all with reductions as small as 10%.
 
regards

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Alanmane

I had not thought that you never reach 0 with 10%, I think I will not be guided by tables or statistics and only by my own body, I do not want to be 2 years to get to 0 from 64mg, it seems a long time and really unnecessary, I think it will take a year more or less to go out gradually reducing. In my case it is only to remove beads so it is easier than other cases, it may begin to weigh mg and thus reduce calculating mg. I want to go slow but not too much and for that the best thing is to listen to my body.

 
According to the Excel table it would end in 2024 ...

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It's taken me 3 years to get from 100mg Pristiq to 5.5mg and it will take me about another 2 years before I'm off.  I'd rather go slowly and get off without experiencing too many withdrawal symptoms than to go too quickly and end up having problems.

 

Many members find that as their dose gets lower they need to go slower and/or hold for longer.

 

We can't make the brain adapt quicker.  It takes time.

 

Why taper paper: dose-occupancy curves

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