Alanmane: try hard

[Altostrata]

Yes, we assume your nervous system is hypersensitive now and maybe a little fragile. You need to treat it gently, don't be a daredevil like you were when you were 18.

 

On 2/1/2019 at 2:24 PM, Alanmane said:

About going to 9 pearls I see it as a good option, the fact is that I keep an average in the total of pearls of my capsules, all vary between 145 and 155 pearls so I can not be exact unless I made calculations that now I do not I can do it, I'm used to counting pearls and although it is not totally accurate I accept it, I can not pay a scale of milligrams face and with a gemini would be quite similar to the method I use now. I hate to keep my mind blank and slow.

 

When you taper by counting beads, all you can do is be approximate in your dosing. This can be acceptable, as long as your nervous system is not complaining.

 

If you are very concerned about the exact dosage, you may wish to use a digital scale to weigh the beads for your dose. This takes more work, but people do it when they want to be more precise. Using a digital scale to measure doses

[Alanmane]

12 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Sí, asumimos que su sistema nervioso es hipersensible ahora y tal vez un poco frágil. Necesitas tratarlo con cuidado, no seas un temerario como eras cuando tenías 18 años.

 

 

Cuando disminuyes al contar cuentas, todo lo que puedes hacer es ser aproximado en tu dosificación. Esto puede ser aceptable, siempre y cuando su sistema nervioso no se esté quejando.

 

Si está muy preocupado por la dosis exacta, puede usar una balanza digital para pesar las cuentas para su dosis. Esto requiere más trabajo, pero las personas lo hacen cuando quieren ser más precisos. Utilizando una escala digital para medir dosis.

Hello Alto,

 

for the moment I'm not worried about being totally precise, with the twin scale 20 it could not be the right thing and there would not be a big difference with the method of counting the pearls. You may buy it when you are at a lower dose. Anyway throughout a day, throughout every day, although every day is not as good as possible. I have the option of having a custom dose in a compound pharmacy, the problem is not with the brand of effexor that I take now, I would do it with another brand and I do not want to change to the one I'm used to. Since yesterday, I feel that I am stabilized from the last cut. Thanks for your answers

[Alanmane]

What I most hate about this process is to see how my mental energy is low, I can do everything I want but less performance and with more effort than when I was taking more doses of effexor. I feel that my creativity and imagination are almost non-existent and I can not understand how it can be just WD. When I was more drugged by effexor even when I smoked marijuana, my mental activity was almost manic but very effective and effective. Now with this low dose I feel that I do not flow, I do understand that it is a matter of abstinence but it terrifies me and puts me in a very bad mood. Right now I feel anger when observing this reality. Even with this feeling of having been silly, less intelligent, I do not stop believing that it will improve and I will destroy these symptoms, I will never give up.

[Carmie]

Hi alanmane, 

 

How have you been doing? I know it’s frustrating that our brains don’t work properly and we don’t always have a lot of focus, but one of these days your brain will function well again. This process takes a long time, but every day is a day closer to healing. 

 

Yes, never give up is a very good motto.👍

 

Hope you’re coping okay.💚

[Alanmane]

1 hour ago, Carmie said:

Hola alanmane 

 

¿Cómo has estado? Sé que es frustrante que nuestros cerebros no funcionen correctamente y no siempre tenemos mucho enfoque, pero uno de estos días su cerebro volverá a funcionar bien. Este proceso lleva mucho tiempo, pero cada día es un día más cercano a la curación. 

 

Sí, nunca rendirse es un muy buen lema. 👍

 

Espero que estés haciendo frente bien. 💚

Hello Carmie,

thank you very much for worrying about me, really. I am following with my reductions, now I am 40 pearls to reach 37.5mg, it is not horrible but I feel that I enjoy little things and my mind is still slow and cloudy, I do not like being used to living with these we feel but the I accept and wait for them to improve, they will surely improve.

 

I am also aware that I have been reducing for 10 months after a terrible crisis in which my mind broke for a few months, I have a lot of accumulated effort and a lot of suffering. The best that my state could describe is physical and mental exhaustion, my system is fatigued and I still go to work in a job that is psychologically durà (work caring for homeless people), and I behave as naturally as possible. my day to day. Now I hope not to touch my dose for a long week, I need to gain energy and recover. I envy people that while reducing if drug retains concentration and agile thinking, for me it is the most important, I feel something silly or unintelligent although I know it is a distortion of reality, I am smarter than many people but I am in bad moment.

 

A hug Carmie

[Carmie]

Hi Alanmane, 

 

Yes it’s good to have long holds. Sometimes it’s good to have a bit of a break from tapering too, I’ve done that quite a few time.

 

Your job certainly sounds like it would be emotionally draining. It’s very sad to see all the homeless people. I think all of us get used to pretending that we are feeling normal around people, when our bodies and brains are barely functioning. We become good actors.

 

You are definitely not unintelligent, it’s just the medication makes you forget things and makes your brain all spacey.  Sometimes I think of something I need to do and five seconds later I’ve already forgotten it. Sometimes I can’t remember people’s names, my brain just goes blank. 

 

We will heal one day and have our brains back.😁💚

[Alanmane]

8 hours ago, Carmie said:

Hola alanmane 

 

Sí, es bueno tener asideros largos. A veces también es bueno tener un pequeño descanso de la reducción, lo he hecho bastante tiempo.

 

Tu trabajo ciertamente parece que sería emocionalmente agotador. Es muy triste ver a todas las personas sin hogar. Creo que todos nos acostumbramos a fingir que nos sentimos normales alrededor de las personas, cuando nuestros cuerpos y nuestro cerebro apenas funcionan. Nos convertimos en buenos actores.

 

Definitivamente no eres poco inteligente, es solo que la medicación te hace olvidar cosas y hace que tu cerebro se vuelva espacial. A veces pienso en algo que necesito hacer y cinco segundos después ya lo he olvidado. A veces no puedo recordar los nombres de las personas, mi cerebro se queda en blanco. 

 

Un día sanaremos y recuperaremos nuestros cerebros. 😁 💚

Hello Carmie

, you're right in what you say, it's hard for me to pretend and be a good actor if I feel bad, my mood shows on my face and I think it's an effort to look happy, even so I'm looking for an intermediate point.

About the lack of concentration I am sure that it will get better over time, it is something that people with success stories say they recovered, then we can also get to that state, it's a matter of time and patience. Even so, I've been much worse in that aspect during severe depressions or high doses of effexor, I'm a perfectionist worse working on it. You are progressing a lot, I'm happy about it.

 

Greetings.

[Alanmane]

I'm going to update my thread.

 

I recently decided to cut my dose and change the way of pearl removal. Now instead of subtracting the small balls, I take 37.5mg and 40 pearls, so there is no variation although there are smaller or larger pearls. I keep a boat thousands of pearls that I have been keeping for months, I plan to use them to make doses based on the number of pearls, it is tedious but I will do so, I do not want to change to effexor of immediate release when I reach 37.5mg, it scares me the change and I think it would feel bad.

 

Summing up my current life: I can work successfully in my job that requires a lot of mental energy because I deal with people who lived on the street, I read a book every day, I draw when I feel like it, my hunger has reduced but I do three meals a day , I just do not feel the desire to eat that I had with higher doses, my sleep is deep and long, I sleep about 11,12 hours a day and I do not know if it is okay for me to sleep so much but the body asks me for this, I feel physically fatigued and mentally, many times I observe myself without thinking anything, with my mind in white, I prefer this to have a thousand thoughts but I do not like to feel my mind so empty, I do not have anxiety or extreme anguish yet I feel worried and somewhat apathetic, I do not feel Great motivation for nothing but it's not so bad.

 

I would like to know your opinion about whether my condition is good and I am on the right track, or if I am relatively lucky to have only these symptoms.

 

Greetings.

[ChessieCat]

What you are going through is normal with regards to getting off a psychiatric drug.

 

It's also good that you are sleeping.  Insomnia can make withdrawal feel very bad.

[Cnick91]

You’re on the right track. I remember feeling very tired while coming off Effexor. Things will get better given enough time. I still suffer from symptoms over a year after my last dose but far less severe. I actually have more good days than bad. And the cognitive issues are only bad when under severe stress or anxious. Meditation, Wim Hof breathing, and cold showers seem to help deactivate the stress response. Good luck.

[Alanmane]

14 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Lo que está pasando es normal con respecto a dejar un medicamento psiquiátrico.

 

También es bueno que estés durmiendo. El insomnio puede hacer que la abstinencia se sienta muy mal.

Thanks Chessie

[Alanmane]

9 hours ago, Cnick91 said:

Estás en el camino correcto. Recuerdo que me sentía muy cansado cuando salía de Effexor. Las cosas mejorarán si se les da suficiente tiempo. Todavía sufro de síntomas más de un año después de mi última dosis, pero mucho menos grave. En realidad tengo más días buenos que malos. Y los problemas cognitivos solo son malos cuando están bajo estrés severo o ansiosos. La meditación, la respiración de Wim Hof y las duchas frías parecen ayudar a desactivar la respuesta al estrés. Buena suerte.

I'm studying the Wim hoff meditation and tècniques, is a long Journey, i never thought reach 37,5mg and I'm in 40 pearls to get this. Im keep fighting. Thanks a lot. 

[Alanmane]

I have the feeling that when I take my 40mg of effexor everything is going to get worse, when I get out of bed until after I eat that I take the pill I feel better than when I have taken the drug.

 

I do not know if this living thing is all WD, it is the effect of the low dose of effexor, my analytical anxious personality ... It must be a mixture of everything. This is perhaps the cut that has worsened me emotionally, it seems a depression emerging although I have faith that it is WD and will improve in a few weeks.

 

I feel disconnected, anhedonic, apathetic, I have lost some weight and I have less appetite, there is a despair and thoughts that maybe I can not go further and I am a depressed person because of having taken these drugs during my youth. I do not want to be a victim or mourn anyone, only if this is WD, it is almost identical to a depression and if I did not know and trust all the information I have acquired, I would raise my dose to feel "better". I will not do it and I'm going to put up with 40 pearls of the 37.5mg mark.

[powerback]

1 hour ago, Alanmane said:

my analytical anxious personality

Hi ALanmane ,I like this description, can I poach it for myself ,it totally explains my own personality . 

1 hour ago, Alanmane said:

trust all the information I have acquired

I agree with this also ,all we can do is learn and inform ourselves and make a decision off that .

we keep learning mind body and spirit .I wasn't a spiritual man before withdrawl ,I will be learning how to be the rest of my life that's for sure .

We deserve peace and joy ,we will get there eventually .

Take care. 

[Alanmane]

5 minutes ago, powerback said:

Hola, Alanmane, me gusta esta descripción, puedo robarla por mi cuenta, eso explica totalmente mi propia personalidad. 

También estoy de acuerdo con esto, todo lo que podemos hacer es aprender, informarnos y tomar una decisión al respecto.

seguimos aprendiendo mente, cuerpo y espíritu. No era un hombre espiritual antes de retirarme, aprenderé cómo ser el resto de mi vida, eso es seguro.

Merecemos paz y alegría, llegaremos eventualmente.

Cuídate. 

Hi Pb, thanks for your words, I have read your thread for months, I congratulate you for being out of effexor and at a very low dose of prozac, it has had to be a very hard road. About the prozac point I do not see it as a bad idea but my idea is to leave effexor using the XR version that is the one that I am used to and I hope this is a good option for me. I am really afraid to go to normal liquid effexor, or go to prozac, I fear that I would enter into crisis. I feel if something I write is misunderstood, I do not write well English (I'm from Spain), and I translate everything. A hug.

[Alanmane]

One question, a person told me that hydroxyzine (atarax) was useful in the abstience of effexor. Does anyone know if it helps? For moments of high anxiety I have lorazepam, I never take it alone if I am out of control, it may not be more useful than lorazepam.

[Alanmane]

I have not disconnected a single idea of the process of leaving effexor for many months. I have acquired the compulsive and obsessive habit of reading about the subject although now it does not give me any relief, I have a lot of information about it. I know I can stop this vicious circle but I allow myself to read this forum and other sites about WD, it is my method to feel less alone in this, to feel that what I live is real. In the back of my heart I know I should stop this and not read anything else on the subject, but I'm scared, maybe it's absurd. Now I am 40 pearls to reach the mark of 37.5mg and so far on an emotional level has been easy, it is a few days ago that I begin to feel depressed and with ideas that may never succeed, or succeed but with the consequence to live for years with depression and low cognitive functions, I hope this does not happen but it is a possibility and I do not know if I could tolerate it. I am getting impatient and filled with rage, two weeks ago I reduced my dose and this time I will wait a long time until I feel good. I feel like it's not me, my mind does not get where it should go and I'm very tired.

[Altostrata]

Please feel welcome here, Alanmane. You are doing very well, you're getting to the goal -- like a turtle, but they are good animals, too.

[Alanmane]

10 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Por favor, siéntase bienvenido aquí, Alanmane. Lo estás haciendo muy bien, estás llegando a la meta, como una tortuga, pero también son buenos animales.

U make me smile, good, people here is amazing

[powerback]

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 9:06 PM, Alanmane said:

Hi Pb, thanks for your words, I have read your thread for months, I congratulate you for being out of effexor and at a very low dose of prozac, it has had to be a very hard road. About the prozac point I do not see it as a bad idea but my idea is to leave effexor using the XR version that is the one that I am used to and I hope this is a good option for me. I am really afraid to go to normal liquid effexor, or go to prozac, I fear that I would enter into crisis. I feel if something I write is misunderstood, I do not write well English (I'm from Spain), and I translate everything. A hug.

If your Path is working for you A ,stay on it ,you seem to have a kind soul .use this for yourself on your journey .

Total respect to you .

Take care. 

[Alanmane]

19 minutes ago, powerback said:

Si su Camino está funcionando para usted A, permanezca en él, parece que tiene un alma amable. Use esto para usted en su viaje.

Total respeto hacia ti.

Cuídate. 

Thanks PB, at the moment this is working, I'm 40 damn pearls to reach 37.5mg, the last cut is still difficult emotionally and cognitively, I feel blocked, thick, not very lucid and as if the previous night had drunk a lot alchol, it's exhausting although I can continue on my way. I hope that from 37.5mg to 0 is not much more difficult than until now, I can not know what to expect and that distresses me. Much encouragement PB, a hug, you seem a kind person too.

[powerback]

59 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

Thanks PB, at the moment this is working, I'm 40 damn pearls to reach 37.5mg, the last cut is still difficult emotionally and cognitively, I feel blocked, thick, not very lucid and as if the previous night had drunk a lot alchol, it's exhausting although I can continue on my way. I hope that from 37.5mg to 0 is not much more difficult than until now, I can not know what to expect and that distresses me. Much encouragement PB, a hug, you seem a kind person too.

Thanks Alan ,my "shadow" is very prominent the last few months but I'm trying to tame it .

Take care🤝

[WantoffVen]

Hi Alan,

 

We talked in private message previously. From what I've read and maybe you have too the lower you go the harder it may become. So please go easy on your yourself and go down by smaller doses or hold longer if need be. I too am weaning off Venlafaxine and I have down to 75mg. and am planning on holding at least 3 months but I started at a much higher dosage than you and I'm erring on the side of caution. You're doing great!!!!!!

[MamaCat]

Hi Alan! I’m working on tapering Effexor as well (currently at 18.75, have been holding there since summer) and just wanted to let you know you’re not alone in your struggles. It’s so frustrating not knowing what is you versus symptoms from withdrawal. I haven’t started to truly taper yet but am anxious about doing so as I’m currently trying to stabilize after a switch from brand to the generic. I’ve thought about a Prozac bridge too but am hoping I can taper just from the Effexor Xr. Sending you lots of well wishes and support! 

[Alanmane]

El 26/2/2019 a las 23:49, WantoffVen dijo:

Hola alan

 

Hablamos previamente en mensaje privado. Por lo tanto, he leído y escuchado. Así es, por favor, fácil de usar. Yo también me estoy retirando Venlafaxine y tengo hasta 75 mg. Y estoy planeando mantener por lo menos 3 meses, pero a lo largo de mi vida y yo estoy equivocando por el lado de la precaución. ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Lo estás haciendo genial !!!!!!

Hello! Thanks for comment, the truth is that now only 40 pearls to reach 37.5 is when I feel it is being difficult, I have no idea how long it will take me to reach the end but I do not mind waiting a long time if I do not have to spend too much wrong. I can not believe that this is so difficult, especially because I can not know if it will be better or I depend on this drug to work, uncertainty is the worst for me. Now it's time to be patient, we're not one of those people who can leave effexor quickly. A lot of strength and patience! You are doing well. 

[Alanmane]

24 minutes ago, MamaCat said:

Hola alan También estoy trabajando en la reducción de Effexor (actualmente, a las 18.75, he estado allí desde el verano) y solo quería hacerle saber que no está solo en su lucha. Es tan frustrante no saber qué es usted en comparación con los síntomas de la abstinencia. Todavía no he empezado a disminuir realmente, pero estoy ansioso por hacerlo, ya que actualmente estoy tratando de estabilizarme después de un cambio de marca a genérico. También he pensado en un puente Prozac, pero espero poder afilarlo solo desde el Effexor Xr. Enviándole muchos buenos deseos y apoyo! 

Hello mom cat! Thanks for comment.

 

You're very low already, sure it's a long way. It is important for me to read other people who are this even on line because in my life nobody understands this and I understand it. Since I lowered my dose recently I am more stressed, things with little importance alter me and my mood is bad, I do not feel joy or motivation, fear is what reigns in my mind these days. Fear of not being able to live without effexor, not being better than in higher doses even if it was also unpleasant ...

 

I'll wait for at least two months. I think that from 37.5mg it's going to be the really difficult thing, until now it has been very easy thinking about it. Did you change to generic and from xr to normal? I believe that I will continue using the xr and counting pearls since I have many stored in a jar and with them I can make personalized pills.

 

I'm afraid to change to normal effexor or bridge prozac. Greetings and keep fighting.

[MamaCat]

You’re right, it is so hard and even harder to explain to people who are not going through it! Effexor is such a nasty drug. You should be proud of your progress, you’ve come down sooo much from where you started. You may need to hold for awhile and see if your symptoms subside a little. Right now I’m holding because of my switch, I was taking brand name Effexor xr and because of insurance I now am only able to get the generic xr. Brand name would be like $250/month, not awful but certainly not cheap. Even though I’ve experienced some issues since the switch, I’m nervous to even go back to the brand name because I fear I’d further stress my nervous system. I’m trying to be optimistic that by holding things will improve. Am doing my best to log my symptoms as well, so that if they don’t improve at least I’ll have good info to make any decisions to switch on.

 

best wishes! You’re not alone! ::hugs::

[Cnick91]

Alan, 

 

Withdraw is tough, I think we can all agree on that. The physical and mental symptoms you describe are mostly related to the drugs in my opinion. You seem to often question what’s withdraw vs. what may just be a personality trait of yours. Here’s the thing, your nervous system is very sensitive right now so these compounding issues you experience can all be pointed back to that. Now everyone has their own baseline, meaning some people are naturally more anxious and depressed than others. I originally took Effexor and other antidepressants for anxiety issues. A year medication free and my mental faculties are coming back around albeit slowly. In fact, I started experiencing the cognitive issues after my first interaction with SSRI’s years ago. So don’t let the cognitive issues get you down, those will resolve at some point once your’re medication free. I think it would beneficial to start considering a new hobby maybe? Or start implementing new coping strategies into your daily routine e.g., meditation, athleticism, religion, adrenaline seeking, getting out it nature, seeking a new job, positive affermations etc. As humans we are capable of much more than we realize. The depression and anxiety clouds are psyche making it even more difficult to realize our full potential. Stay strong Alan, you’re going to get through this tough time. 

[Alanmane]

3 hours ago, Cnick91 said:

Alan 

 

Retirar es difícil, creo que todos podemos estar de acuerdo en eso. En mi opinión, los síntomas físicos y mentales que describe están relacionados principalmente con los medicamentos. Parece que a menudo cuestionas lo que se retira frente a lo que puede ser simplemente un rasgo de personalidad tuya. Esta es la cuestión: su sistema nervioso es muy sensible en este momento, por lo que estos problemas de compuestos que experimenta pueden apuntarse a eso. Ahora todos tienen su propia línea de base, lo que significa que algunas personas están naturalmente más ansiosas y deprimidas que otras. Originalmente tomé Effexor y otros antidepresivos para problemas de ansiedad. Un año sin medicación y mis facultades mentales están regresando, aunque lentamente. De hecho, comencé a experimentar los problemas cognitivos después de mi primera interacción con SSRI hace años. Así que no dejes que los problemas cognitivos te depriman, esos se resolverán en algún momento una vez que estés libre de medicación. Creo que sería beneficioso comenzar a considerar un nuevo hobby, tal vez? O comience a implementar nuevas estrategias de afrontamiento en su rutina diaria, por ejemplo, meditación, atletismo, religión, búsqueda de adrenalina, eliminando la naturaleza, buscando un nuevo trabajo, afirmaciones positivas, etc. Como seres humanos somos capaces de mucho más de lo que creemos. Las nubes de depresión y ansiedad son psiquis, lo que dificulta aún más la realización de nuestro potencial. Mantente fuerte Alan, vas a superar este momento difícil. Como humanos somos capaces de mucho más de lo que creemos. Las nubes de depresión y ansiedad son psiquis, lo que dificulta aún más la realización de nuestro potencial. Mantente fuerte Alan, vas a superar este momento difícil. Como humanos somos capaces de mucho más de lo que creemos. Las nubes de depresión y ansiedad son psiquis, lo que dificulta aún más la realización de nuestro potencial. Mantente fuerte Alan, vas a superar este momento difícil. 

Hello Cnick, thank you for your words of encouragement. Definitely this is difficult and I know that my fear of the future makes the path difficult, but I think that it is the situation that can make a sane person more fearful: his mental health, well-being and joy of life, if that fails, everything fails. Hence my anguish and fear, because I am very aware that this is the most important challenge of my life. I currently have hobbies, friends, work ... Only these days I can not enjoy drawing, reading, relationships ... Everything is an effort, thinking is an effort. I'm glad you've reached the other side, I do not rule out that maybe I'll also arrive in a while, for now I'm sure that ending these 40mg will take time, if I do not care if it takes years. Now I want to know if my brain recovers from this wave, I really worry that it will not happen even though everyone will tell me what will happen to give me strength. It is uncertain, in theory I will have to adapt my system to survive with less drug, and so little by little to live without it. I wonder if leaving effexor is the hardest drug to leave. I feel very sleepy and fatigued, it feels as if the light and energy that is in me goes out and everything goes unless I'm going to wait for this to happen.

 

Thanks for you words 

[SkyBlue]

Hola, Alanmane, 

 

Are you now taking Effexor (Ven) 37,5mg and 40 pearls? Or is the 40 pearls = 37,5mg?

Are you holding right now? 

 

In answer to your question, any drug can give difficulty--that being said, for the SSRIs, Paxil and Effexor seem to be the worst. (I mean that in an encouraging way--that what you are doing is difficult, but can be done.)

 

You asked above about hydroxyzine. It is used for anxiety, but it acts directly on the nervous system, so I personally am not going to take it. (My psychiatrist thinks I'm taking it 😂.) It's not as potent as a benzo, but I'm not comfortable with it.

 

22 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

but I think that it is the situation that can make a sane person more fearful: his mental health, well-being and joy of life, if that fails, everything fails. Hence my anguish and fear, because I am very aware that this is the most important challenge of my life. I currently have hobbies, friends, work ... Only these days I can not enjoy drawing, reading, relationships ... Everything is an effort, thinking is an effort.

 

I understand this feeling. So many of us do. You are not alone. ❤️ Ánimo.

[Alanmane]

23 minutes ago, SkyBlue said:

Hola, Alanmane, 

 

¿Está tomando Effexor (Ven) 37,5 mg y 40 perlas? ¿O son las 40 perlas = 37,5mg?

¿Estás sosteniendo ahora? 

 

En respuesta a su pregunta, cualquier medicamento puede causar dificultades, como se dice, para los ISRS, Paxil y Effexor parecen ser los peores. (Lo digo de manera alentadora: que lo que está haciendo es difícil, pero se puede hacer).

 

Usted preguntó anteriormente acerca de la hidroxizina. Se usa para la ansiedad, pero actúa directamente sobre el sistema nervioso, por lo que personalmente no lo voy a tomar. (Mi psiquiatra cree que yo estoy tomando  😂 .) No es tan potente como un anillo benzo, pero no estoy cómodo con él.

 

 

Entiendo este sentimiento. Muchos de nosotros lo hacemos. No estas solo. ❤️  Ánimo.

Hi bluesky, I'm taking 37,5mg + 40 balls That should add about 42mg in total, I appreciate your words.

 

About benadryl I think I will not take it, at home tzgo lorazepam to use only in case of emergency. The last time I made a dose cut was on the 11th of this month, this is the third week and it is when it is hitting WD, it has never taken so many to appear the whole effect of abstience like this time.

 

My plan now is to wait a month or two for me to stabilize and gather strength for another tapper, from now on I will go more slowly I'm afraid. I have a question about the dream. Since this last fall of dose I sleep many hours, I can sleep 12 hours deeply and it seems that the body asks me but I do not know if it is wrong, maybe I should force myself to sleep 8.9 hours only.

 

I will take care of myself and work to improve my current state, however difficult it may be. A hug.❤️

[Alanmane]

Update: cut my dose of effexor on February 11, at the beginning of the second week experience the acute WD consisting of bad brain fog, confusion, loss of appetite, weight loss, insomnia, obsessions, low self-esteem, depressive mood, hyperacusis, anger, major fatigue, sleep 12 hours and get up tired. Luckily my anxiety never gets horrible, I feel more like a lack of energy and vitality that is identical to severe depression. There comes the worst of my fears, I am aware that I am going through WD and that it mimics the symptoms of depression, yet the question arises whether this is a natural depression in me.

 

Very few days ago I began to notice that this wave is going down unless I am still weak, obsessed and the worst thing is that I feel confused and I do not finish processing all the information of what I live, I do not feel that I am certain that I will have success despite taking care of my diet, I exercise, I have social relationships, work, drawing although my creativity is affected for evil, I read ... Simply the anhedonia and the fog does not allow me to believe that I am safe.

 

I know that my symptoms are perhaps mild compared to other people, despite everything I can work and that is a blessing, I try to accept that now I am not 100% and that I will surely feel the benefits of being near 37.5mg soon.

 

Sometimes I feel that my inner child is in darkness, lost and terrified. Paralyzed. Still, I advance with hope. I'll wait a long time before I drop my dose again. I thank all the people in the forum, I think it is one of the most important struggles and that they require more courage and humanity.

[powerback]

13 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Update: cut my dose of effexor on February 11, at the beginning of the second week experience the acute WD consisting of bad brain fog, confusion, loss of appetite, weight loss, insomnia, obsessions, low self-esteem, depressive mood, hyperacusis, anger, major fatigue, sleep 12 hours and get up tired. Luckily my anxiety never gets horrible, I feel more like a lack of energy and vitality that is identical to severe depression. There comes the worst of my fears, I am aware that I am going through WD and that it mimics the symptoms of depression, yet the question arises whether this is a natural depression in me.

 

Very few days ago I began to notice that this wave is going down unless I am still weak, obsessed and the worst thing is that I feel confused and I do not finish processing all the information of what I live, I do not feel that I am certain that I will have success despite taking care of my diet, I exercise, I have social relationships, work, drawing although my creativity is affected for evil, I read ... Simply the anhedonia and the fog does not allow me to believe that I am safe.

 

I know that my symptoms are perhaps mild compared to other people, despite everything I can work and that is a blessing, I try to accept that now I am not 100% and that I will surely feel the benefits of being near 37.5mg soon.

 

Sometimes I feel that my inner child is in darkness, lost and terrified. Paralyzed. Still, I advance with hope. I'll wait a long time before I drop my dose again. I thank all the people in the forum, I think it is one of the most important struggles and that they require more courage and humanity.

Hi AM,very well written worded update,you write of exactly my own fears and struggles.

Your doing better than the fear will allow you to realise.

The routine of work is a crucial blessing .rest every second you can ,this is key to recovery

.surely we will find a purpose for all this patience once its over.

Take care .

 

[Alanmane]

5 hours ago, powerback said:

Hola, muy bien redactada actualización, escribe exactamente de mis propios miedos y luchas.

Hacerlo mejor que el miedo te permitirá darte cuenta.

La rutina del trabajo es una bendición crucial. Descanse cada segundo que pueda, esta es la clave para la recuperación

Seguro que encontraremos un propósito para toda esta paciencia una vez que termine.

Cuídate .

 

Thanks for your support, I am sure that you will be better in brief, little by little clear improvements are seen. Something I am sure that affects negatively and is often impossible to stop, is the fear of being in this situation. Today I woke up wishing to eliminate fear or at least try to put aside my fear of life, what can I lose trying? I will not get it the first time but I wish with all my heart to stop feeling like a lost and paralyzed child. The attitude makes a lot of difference and I know that I tend to observe my interior, I'm going to try to act on my whole and not on my anguish, it's the best option I have. I begin to stabilize myself from the last dose drop, as a positive I feel that I am less impulsive than in higher doses, if I know that I should do something I do it without more, without laziness, in general I feel less nervous and stimulated, I may have now more patience than before and be more sensible and less impulsive. I hope you spend a quiet day and better than yesterday. A hug.

[Alanmane]

Update:

 

I'm going through some difficult days, I was fired from my job, accused of low performance, doing my tasks and other lies, everything to say goodbye and not having to increase my salary. I have been able to do everything necessary such as signing up for the unemployment office, looking for work and so on.

 

On Saturday I went out partying and drank a lot of alcohol, I also consumed some cocaine. Obviously I know it's irresponsible on my part to do that but my self-destructive instinct and impulsiveness could with me. The night was nice but the next day and today they feel bad, I hope to learn someday such basic things.

I think I will start therapy with a psychologist and finish the course that I could not finish last year because of my depression, now my life has changed a lot and I feel something of fear. This month I will use the brassmonkey method to reduce 10 pearls, it is easier for me in this way.

 

I hang there.

[eymen23]

Alanmane,

 

Given the emotional stress of losing your job (and potentially unfairly), and also drinking a large amount of alcohol along with taking a recreation drug, it may be sensible to hold your dosage until things ease up. 

 

I’m sure you’re aware, but when your body contains both alcohol and cocaine, an even more dangerous chemical known as cocaethylene is produced. It is a toxic chemical and makes the combination of drugs much more dangerous in terms of risk of sudden death etc. Cocaethylene also has a longer half life than cocaine, meaning it may take some time for your body to recuperate.

 

I’m not one to lecture, but I want you to be fully aware of the risks. Please look after yourself.