Alanmane: try hard

[Alanmane]

Hoy en día, la forma de obtener algo es rápida y en este momento, así es como funciona la sociedad. Es perfecto para el sistema psiquiátrico que la impaciencia está en la mente de las personas para mantener tratamientos a largo plazo y no optar por retiros lentos, que para la mayoría son la única opción.

 

Quería escribir ese pensamiento, aprovecho la oportunidad para contar mi historia después de bajar a cerca de 58 mg: mi apetito volvió a la normalidad, como si nunca hubiera desayunado ya que trabajo hasta altas horas de la noche y siempre me despierto al mediodía. Sería bueno desayunar ... Consumo una o dos tazas de café al día y sales de nicotina en vaper (dejé de fumar hace 8 meses), me preocupa ser adicto a la nicotina, pero en este momento lo veo difícil. dejar de fumar, al menos no es tabaco, pero tengo 20 mg por ml de sales de nicotina. Mi estado de ánimo no es muy positivo o muy negativo, solo estable. Tengo sentimientos de devaluación y culpa varias veces al día, me siento inferior y con poco valor, sé que es WD. Todavía me resulta difícil dormir, así que reposo 8,9 horas y siento que mi sueño es más profundo y comienzo a soñar (no soñé mucho durante mucho tiempo). Mi función sexual ha mejorado mucho, literalmente, effexor robó este placer durante años y odiaba no poder tener relaciones sexuales, al mismo tiempo me odiaba a mí misma por ello. Mi función cognitiva ha mejorado, es difícil de explicar y no comprendo si es simplemente la niebla cerebral clásica, la sensación es que cuesta más fluir en pensamientos, ideas, rexueros, memoria ... También en mi personalidad. sucede, siento que hay algo que me impide ser yo mismo, no me siento genuino en absoluto. En resumen, creo que lo estoy haciendo bien, mi reducción ha sido rápida de acuerdo con las reglas de este foro, pero he vivido diez veces más extrema que la actual, sé lo más subterráneo del infierno y esto parece fácil. Quiero encontrar hábitos, comportamientos que agreguen facilidad a mi vida y bienestar. Buenas tardes guerreros

 

Translation thanks to google:

 

Nowadays, the way to obtain something is fast and at this moment, this is how society works. It is perfect for the psychiatric system that impatience is in the minds of people to maintain long-term treatments and not opt for slow withdrawals, which for most are the only option.

 

I wanted to write that thought, I take the opportunity to tell my story after going down to about 58 mg: my appetite returned to normal, as if I had never had breakfast since I work late into the night and I always wake up at noon. It would be good to have breakfast ... I consume one or two cups of coffee a day and nicotine salts in vaper (I stopped smoking 8 months ago), I am worried about being addicted to nicotine, but at this moment I see it. hard. Stop smoking, at least it's not tobacco, but I have 20 mg per ml of nicotine salts. My mood is not very positive or very negative, just stable. I have feelings of devaluation and guilt several times a day, I feel inferior and with little value, I know it's WD. I still find it difficult to sleep, so I rest for 8.9 hours and I feel that my dream is deeper and I begin to dream (I did not dream much for a long time). My sexual function has improved a lot, literally, Effexor has stolen this pleasure for years and hated not being able to have sex, at the same time I hated myself for it. My cognitive function has improved, it is difficult to explain and I do not understand if it is simply the classical cerebral fog, the sensation is that it costs more to flow in thoughts, ideas, rexueros, memory ... Also in my personality. It happens, I feel that there is something that prevents me from being myself, I do not feel genuine at all. In short, I think I'm doing well, my reduction has been fast according to the rules of this forum, but I have lived ten times more extreme than the current one, I know the most underground of hell and this seems easy. I want to find habits, behaviors that add ease to my life and well-being. Good afternoon warriors

 

Edited January 7, 2019 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

Hi Alan,

 

Please try remember to post the English version, not the Spanish version of your post.  Thank you.  😉

[Alanmane]

12 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Hola alan

 

Por favor, intente recordar publicar la versión en inglés, no la versión en español de su publicación. Gracias.  😉

Ups, mistake... Sorry! 

[Carmie]

Hola alanmane, 

 

Como Estas?

 

I can’t concentrate enough to read your thread properly at the moment, but I just wanted to say I’m so sorry you are going through this. It’s a hard journey, isn’t it?

 

I lived in Barcelona when I was a teenager for a while. I don’t remember much Spanish though, solo un poco. Mi padre es Espanol.  I loved Spain, such a beautiful country. 

 

Take care, sending hugs 🤗

[Alanmane]

7 hours ago, Carmie said:

Hola alanmane 

 

¿Cómo estás?

 

No puedo concentrarme lo suficiente como para leer tu hilo correctamente en este momento, pero solo quería decirte que lamento que estés pasando por esto. Es un viaje difícil, ¿verdad?

 

Viví en Barcelona cuando era adolescente por un tiempo. Aunque no recuerdo mucho español, solo un poco. Mi padre es español. Amaba España, un país tan hermoso. 

 

Cuídate, enviando abrazos 🤗

Hello Carmie!

Thank you for your message, this process is being difficult but compared to other times it is very easy, I remember having lived much higher hell when I was in high doses, when I took effexor every three days for two months and relapse into a very extreme withdrawal. ..it is not pleasant but tolerable and I hope that it continues. I'm glad you like the country where I live, I'm grateful to be here, it's nice although I'm tired of living in Barcelona and always see the same, I need to travel! I hope you're well, and you'll read my thread when it's time.

 

Regards!

[Alanmane]

Two days ago I no longer wake up with a cortisol peak, that's good.

I keep forcing myself to do productive things and I get it. It seems that the road is going well, I'm not sure if I wait another month before re-reducing my dose, I'll see what my body says. On the other hand I do two things that are not right: I'm a coffee addict and I love it, I drink three cups a day but I should reduce it to one when I wake up, I do not feel that it causes me anxiety but it should not be good. I also consume nicotine with a vaporizer, today I have dropped from 20mg to 6mg because too much nicotine makes me sick, it has been useful for months to get away from tobacco but my body asks for less. My whole body asks for less of everything, less coffee, effexor, nicotine, sugar ... After years abusing it now I want to cleanse. Next week I see my newbie psychiatrist, he has little experience but I do not care, I'm only interested in making personalized recipes with doses of effexor to reduce, if he refuses I will not see it again and I'll ask my GP. If nobody helps me opt for a balance like the gemini 20. I am becoming an expert in the art of patience. Greetings.

[Alanmane]

An update.

 

A few days ago I cut a few pearls since I feel stable but not enjoying life. There has not been much trouble apart from an increase in false thoughts and beliefs about myself (I am useless, I have failed in the past ...), I tend to be a perfectionist and that is very bad. I wonder if my evolution in nine months from 150mg to 56mg is really positive.

The reality is that I fulfill my obligations such as working, grooming, socializing, drawing, writing ... My discomforts are purely psychological: lack of concentration, feelings of devaluation, obsessions ... I have engraved with fire that is withdrawal, I know that it is caused by the lack of drugs and my persistence is paying off. I miss my sharp mind, it was so sharp even when I smoked a lot of marijuana! It is paradoxical that now with little venlafaxine and without marijuana I feel slower and spaced, after all it's not been a year since I quit smoking and not for many months that I was sedated by effexor. I do not look for pats on the back, but do you think my process is going well? This site is the best help that can exist to achieve a psychopharmacy.

 

regards

[Alanmane]

I just went to my psychiatrist. He told me that he talked to his colleagues about making personalized doses of effexor, no psychiatrist has ever done this in his career, I am the first patient to do this and I am very surprised. Luckily he has agreed and told me that I am the one who takes the drug and I have the right to leave it in the way that I think is appropriate. Now I hope that pharmacies accept to do my doses. I have felt that I am a weirdo for doing it this way, I really know that I am smart to take this path, my long hours of research have served something.

[Alanmane]

In pharmacies I was told that they could not make capsules of effexor xr of the same brand that I take, it would be the active principle with excipients not identical to the one I take. Nor would it be possible to do xr, only immediate release. I'm going to buy the gemini 20 scale on Amazon since you've talked well about it, it will take a month to get more or less. I thought that they could open my capsules and create doses of them but it does not work like that ... After all, it will be cheaper for me to do it myself.

[Alanmane]

I am reading the threads about the weighing of capsules with scales and I see that it is not very precise unless you have a very expensive scale, using a gemini 20 maybe it would not make a difference to count pearls. So far I have been subtracting pearls and it does not involve much work, the average in each 37.5mg capsule is 150 accounts, now I take a whole capsule and another 75 rest, it is impossible to know how many mg I am but I do not care, the goal is to go to less quantity with the passage of time. I doubt if I continue counting or weighing, my idea is to get to 0mg.Using the XR version, I think that when I reach 37.5 go to immediate release I would cause unpleasant symptoms. Opinions?

[Alanmane]

I am going to write an update: now I will be at approximately 56mg, I have made cuts of 5 pearls in two weeks and now I feel stabilized although not free of symptoms. It is difficult to concentrate and I feel the foggy mind even though I am more capable than I think. My long-term plan is to leave effexor using the same brand that I now take and remove pearls in spite of not being a very exact method, I am not attracted to the idea of making the prozac bridge, of testing liquid, changing brand ... I think It will be the easiest. Making cuts of 5 pearls per week (a total of - 20 a month) is easier, I feel fast abstinence and it also disappears quickly given the short half life of venlafaxine. I notice lately that my personality is appearing again, my character too and that's good, I still do not feel positive emotions and I recognize being obsessed with the process of weaning, I do not care since it is a serious situation to spend hours a day thinking in it, at other times when I get distracted I do not think and just flow. I am only concerned that when going to smaller doses the ability to think clearly worsens, that could not allow it since I work and I need a minimum of concentration. Anyway, my achievement is this: 9 months reducing from 150mg to 56mg, I can continue with my life and possibly achieve it.

[Altostrata]

That's not too bad, Alanmane.

 

Counting beads of Effexor is a valid way to taper. However, if you get persistent withdrawal symptoms, you're going too fast.

 

Seems that after a reduction of 5 beads, you get withdrawal symptoms for a few days. I would take this as a signal and reduce by 4 beads per week rather than 5 beads. You will want to be cautious so as not want to trigger more serious withdrawal symptoms.

[Alanmane]

53 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Eso no es tan malo, Alanmane.

 

Contar las cuentas de Effexor es una forma válida de afilar. Sin embargo, si tienes síntomas de abstinencia persistentes, vas demasiado rápido.

 

Parece que después de una reducción de 5 cuentas, tienes síntomas de abstinencia durante unos días. Tomaría esto como una señal y reduciría 4 cuentas por semana en lugar de 5 cuentas. Usted querrá ser cauteloso para no provocar síntomas de abstinencia más graves.

Hi, thanks for answering. The truth is that I can not distinguish if my lack to concentrate, little energy etc ... It is because of the withdrawal or is my genuine state to be with less drugs in my body. Anyway, I'm not going to go fast and just listen to my body to make another fall. It is good that I sleep deeply, have an appetite, do not have anxiety ... Now I will wait a few weeks to check that my stressed mind returns to balance.

[Alanmane]

I would like some of you to give me your opinion about whether my depressions have been purely situational, which I think it is.

I have always been a person with imagination and sensitivity, with a great intensity of emotions. At the age of 17 I had my first love break with the girl I loved the most in my life, at that time I used marijuana and tried other drugs out of curiosity but without much abuse, the break with that girl and the consumption of psychotropics took me to a state of acute agitation, recurrent and obsessive thoughts and deep depression, I stopped smoking marijuana suddenly because of my bad mood and decided to go to the psychiatrist for the first time in my life.

I was prescribed many antipsychotics and some old antidepressants and benzos, I remember that for 6.7 months I tried: abilify, Zyprexa, Seroquel, lexatin, lorazepam, diazepam, Amipramine and some more. I tried a drug and suffered so much that they put me in a different one, it was the worst hell I remember when I was only 18 years old, nothing helped some of the anxiolytics.

 

I endured that period as I could until I decided to go to a private doctor and prescribed Citalopram with a diagnosis of depression, he told me that the previous diagnosis of depression with psychotic symptoms was incorrect and that they should not have given me neuroleptics. Now I know that the diagnosis of psychotic symptoms at that age is a trauma for me, I never suffered psychosis.

 

After two years with Citalopram I decided to leave it little by little without anyone's help, cutting the tablets, I remember that I went out quickly, there I was about 20 years old. When I left the med and felt anxious, I turned to the idiot, an easy resource: marijuana, I spent three years without AD, smoking daily herb, I used it to evade and mask the diagnosis wound and the mistreatment caused by my then psychiatrist. I was able to do a nursing course and approve it even smoking daily and with a somewhat unstructured life. After finishing that course I started a different one that I did not like and I chose it with haste to keep me occupied, there I met a girl with whom we started having a relationship that became toxic because she was not well and neither did I. I left the relationship and fell into depression again, a depression in which I could not move from the bed, think, act, nothing. I returned to leave the marijuana and with my ex plot situation I went back to find a psychiatrist who prescribed me effexor 150 + mirtazapine 15mg.

 

That cocktail left me an idiot for many months, I lost time without being able to do anything productive until I removed mirtazapine.When I withdrew my anxiety returned and I resorted to marijuana again, at first it caused more anxiety but my body adapted and I ended up improving with it more effexor, the months passed and I was able to work successfully in a company and study. I have to say that I smoked a lot of marijuana, from morning to night and even then I fulfilled my obligations and I felt mentally sharp. I spent time like this until last year when I went down to 75 mg of effexor and experimented with not taking the drug for 1.2.3 days in a row. The funny thing is that the WD along with marijuana I liked, and my psychiatrist at that time just told me that if I felt good doing that follow (very bad advice and hate for not warning me of danger). After a while following this absurd method, smoking a lot, working and studying daily without free time, plus a very difficult situation in my work in which I saw a person die violently, I relapsed into the worst depression I have ever experienced. had. I had to stop studying, work, spend three months disabled suffering constant panic attacks, cognitive cancellation and a long list and my psychiatrist recommended me to return to 150mg and mirtazapine. This was in February of 2018. In April, May I began to stabilize and reduce Effexor and I also left marijuana forever since that last relapse, I work every day and I make my life, I just think I made mistakes and nobody helped me solve something very difficult, they caused me enormous problems by giving me drugs and making me believe that I was sick (sick for their drugs and for not informing me about them!). I do not know if someone will read all this but I wanted to write my story very briefly.

 

Thanks for reading and I feel yes something is not understood since I translate, I do not write English

[eymen23]

Hi Alanmane,

 

Thanks for sharing all of that, I always find it insightful to see somebody else’s history of symptoms, although I’m sorry you have had to endure all of the above.

 

It’s hard to be certain (we can only guess) but it sounds like you have had several life stressors and you have used unhealthy means to deal with them, which has only led to much bigger crashes later on. 

 

I think a key component of withdrawal and you living a healthy, happy life; is going to be emphasising good habits, like exercise, mindfulness, work life balance, good relationships etc. 

[Alanmane]

10 hours ago, eymen23 said:

Hola alanmane

 

Gracias por compartir todo eso, siempre me parece interesante ver el historial de síntomas de otra persona, aunque lamento que haya tenido que soportar todo lo anterior.

 

Es difícil estar seguro (solo podemos adivinarlo) pero parece que ha tenido varios factores estresantes en la vida y ha utilizado medios poco saludables para tratarlos, lo que ha provocado accidentes mucho más graves más adelante. 

 

Creo que un componente clave de la abstinencia y tu vida sana y feliz; va a enfatizar los buenos hábitos, como el ejercicio, la atención plena, el equilibrio trabajo-vida, las buenas relaciones, etc. 

Hi mate,

thanks for answering. I think the same as you, my problems arose because of the life I had and because I did not know how to manage problems, also because I received drugs as help, that made me worse for years. But now I know the keys and I'm sure it was due to external factors, a lot of months ago to have a stable life with good habits to be able to say goodbye to effexor soon.

Thanks for reading me.

[Alanmane]

I am becoming aware that I am unable to recognize my emotional state since I am almost 1/3 of my initial dose of effexor. I act like I should be doing it without the inconvenience of WD but the reality ends up hitting because there are not many things that I can not do and enjoy, it is very strange to feel lost in a constant emotion of insecurity, fear, apathy and reluctance, these days these living as a fearful and insecure person.

 

I feel disconnected from myself and until a while ago I have not thought that the truth is that I do not know how to adapt my actions to my current state of mind, it is very difficult. How can I lose my common sense and act without feeling? Just because it was supposed to be the right thing to do? I do not allow myself to be myself or that anyone knows what I feel, I am ashamed to live with fear of life and I feel ridiculous and of little value. How do people become authentic in the midst of anhedonia and constant flat and unpleasant emotions? How could it be authentic and genuine?

 

I'm going to wait for weeks before reducing again, the lack of control that is felt when doing this is absurd.

[Alanmane]

A question, is it a symptom of abstinence to do something and after a few seconds do not remember? I realize that I leave for example an object in a site and at the moment I look for it and I do not remember that I left it there, it is an important short-term memory failure and I feel like with dementia or Alzheimer's, please, you can confirm What is WD? Thanks people

[ChessieCat]

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Numbers 19 and 20 on this list:  Dr Joseph Glenmullen's WD Symptoms Checklist

[Alanmane]

25 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

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Números 19 y 20 en esta lista:  Lista de verificación de síntomas de WD del Dr. Joseph Glenmullen

Thanks chessie 

[Alanmane]

Hello! I have tried to find information about taking Ashgawanda in AD retreat but I do not find anything clear, so I would like to ask if it is useful to take this root or it can cause problems. Has someone worked to improve the states of fatigue in withdrawal?

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by ChessieCat
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[ChessieCat]

The only supplements that SA recommends are Magnesium and Omega-3 Fish Oil.  Try a small amount, one at a time.  Keep it Simple, Slow and Stable

 

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[Alanmane]

11 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Los únicos suplementos que recomienda SA son el magnesio y el aceite de pescado omega-3 . Pruebe una pequeña cantidad, una a la vez.  Mantenlo simple, lento y estable

 

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Better i dont try... I'm taking fish oil and magnesium, cbd vaporizate in the night is so good deep sleep. 

[ChessieCat]

I agree. If things are good, it is foolish to risk altering things.

[Alanmane]

Hi all.

The previous antidepressant that I took before effexor was Citalopram, I have the existential doubt of knowing how many mg of effexor are equivalent to Citalopram, now I am about 54mg of eff and I do not know if that is like 10mg of cit.

 

In the past I left Citalopram and it was easier for me now than with this drug. The physical and mental fatigue is very strong, I describe it as if my vital energy is at a very low level, I hope it improves in a few days, observing my notes I see that every time I reduce I do not feel the acute symptoms until about 7 days, This surprises me because venlafaxine has a very short half life, before I thought I would receive WD a few days after going below my dose.

[Altostrata]

Yes, Effexor is difficult to go off. It may take some time for your system to sense it has less drug in it and react to the decrease.

 

How do you measure your dose, do you use a scale to weigh it?

[Alanmane]

8 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Sí, Effexor es difícil de disparar. Es posible que a su sistema le lleve algún tiempo darse cuenta de que tiene menos medicamento y reaccionar a la disminución.

 

¿Cómo mide su dosis, usa una balanza para pesarla?

Hello, Alto, I use the pearl counting method. In each capsule of 37.5mg there is an average of 150 pearls. I do not want to change my brand of medication to not feel changes, my idea is to do the whole process with capsules of effexor xr 37.5mg.

[Carmie]

Hi alanmane, 

 

How are you doing? Yes, we can all be sensitive to so many different supplements. Only magnesium and fish oil are recommended, but even then some people can’t tolerate them. 

 

Forgetting things is very common in withdrawals. I do it all the time. I already had this problem beforehand though because I have chronic fatigue syndrome, an illness which affects cognitive ability too. When withdrawals are bad I’m even worse. I walk into a room and I can’t even remember what I wanted in there. I put things in funny places and then can’t find them. I have a thought about something I need to do and a couple of seconds later I’ve already forgotten what I wanted to do. It’s a good idea to have a pen and paper close by and write down things as you think of them. It’s best never to hide anything with brains like ours as we would never find them again.😂

 

I hope you’re coping okay, sending hugs🤗

[Alanmane]

4 hours ago, Carmie said:

Hola alanmane 

 

¿Como estas? Sí, todos podemos ser sensibles a tantos suplementos diferentes. Solo se recomiendan el magnesio y el aceite de pescado, pero incluso entonces algunas personas no pueden tolerarlos. 

 

Olvidar las cosas es muy común en los retiros. Lo hago todo el tiempo. Aunque ya tenía este problema de antemano porque tengo el síndrome de fatiga crónica, una enfermedad que también afecta la capacidad cognitiva. Cuando los retiros son malos soy aún peor. Entro a una habitación y ni siquiera puedo recordar lo que quería allí. Pongo cosas en lugares divertidos y luego no las encuentro. Tengo un pensamiento sobre algo que necesito hacer y un par de segundos después ya olvidé lo que quería hacer. Es una buena idea tener un bolígrafo y papel cerca y escribir las cosas a medida que las piense. Lo mejor es nunca ocultar algo con cerebros como el nuestro, ya que nunca los volveríamos a encontrar. 😂

 

Espero que está para hacer frente bien, enviando abrazos 🤗

Hello Carmie,

thanks for answering. It's annoying to forget about things even though it's not the worst thing for me, what I hate most is this lack of mental energy and concentration, I hardly have thoughts and I'm quite blank and in shock, blocked. It's true that I reduced 10 more pearls of effexor a week ago and now I'm noticing abstinence, I feel helpless and afraid, a part of me thinks that this looks like a mild depression but it's WD, I'm pretty sure that It is the cause of reducing a few ridiculous pearls.

 

I'll wait until I feel much better to reduce again, I've had worse cuts but the latter feels debilitating and hopeless. Even with this I keep working and making my life the best I know. I hope you are well.

 

A greeting and hugs

[Altostrata]

7 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Hello, Alto, I use the pearl counting method. In each capsule of 37.5mg there is an average of 150 pearls. I do not want to change my brand of medication to not feel changes, my idea is to do the whole process with capsules of effexor xr 37.5mg.

 

Yes, this is possible. How many beads are you taking out now? Sounds like it might be one bead too many.

[Alanmane]

Hace 21 minutos, Altostrata dijo:

 

Sí, esto es posible. ¿Cuántas cuentas estás sacando ahora? Parece que podría ser una cuenta demasiados.

Hi Alto, now I'm taking out every time I reduce 10 pearls. Earlier months I took 20 but I love a lot. Right now I take a capsule of 37.5mg (150 beads) + another capsule to which I now remove 90 pearls. The retreat is not being unbearable, annoying yes. From 1 to 10 I would put it at 6.5 with 10 being unbearable. I also think that I did not wait long enough to stabilize myself, I felt much better and decided to continue with the process. Today I feel better than yesterday.

[Altostrata]

Alanmane, your nervous system is telling you to be a little more gentle. As your dosage gets lower, 10 beads becomes a larger proportion (percentage) of the whole daily dose.

 

If I were you, I'd try reducing by 9 beads at a time. How often are you making reductions?

[Alanmane]

2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Alanmane, tu sistema nervioso te está diciendo que seas un poco más suave. A medida que su dosis disminuye, 10 cuentas se convierten en una proporción mayor (porcentaje) de la dosis diaria total.

 

Si yo fuera tú, intentaría reducir en 9 cuentas a la vez. ¿Con qué frecuencia estás haciendo reducciones?

Hello again.

 

Truth is that my nervous system has gone through a lot of stress and I am 26 years old only, but I am aware that I have put my body to the limit several times (severe crisis at 18, another severe at 23, another at 25, added to use of Citalopram for 2 years and effexor for 3 years, also use marijuana for several years). I reduce without an established plan but every 4.5.6 weeks or so.

 

About going to 9 pearls I see it as a good option, the fact is that I keep an average in the total of pearls of my capsules, all vary between 145 and 155 pearls so I can not be exact unless I made calculations that now I do not I can do it, I'm used to counting pearls and although it is not totally accurate I accept it, I can not pay a scale of milligrams face and with a gemini would be quite similar to the method I use now. I hate to keep my mind blank and slow.

[Cnick91]

15 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Hello Carmie,

thanks for answering. It's annoying to forget about things even though it's not the worst thing for me, what I hate most is this lack of mental energy and concentration, I hardly have thoughts and I'm quite blank and in shock, blocked. It's true that I reduced 10 more pearls of effexor a week ago and now I'm noticing abstinence, I feel helpless and afraid, a part of me thinks that this looks like a mild depression but it's WD, I'm pretty sure that It is the cause of reducing a few ridiculous pearls.

 

I'll wait until I feel much better to reduce again, I've had worse cuts but the latter feels debilitating and hopeless. Even with this I keep working and making my life the best I know. I hope you are well.

 

A greeting and hugs

 

Hey buddy,

 

I just want to assure you that many of us if not most of us are going through some sort of cognitive issues during withdrawal. I know the cog fog takes a toll on our daily lives and can make us wonder if it’s ever going to clear up. From what I have read around this site, time is the biggest factor in clearing up cognitive issues. Im your age and can probably relate to you on more levels than you realize. I think we can say with a relatively large degree of certainty that some of your cognitive issues stem from WD symptoms. I think playing some mentally stimulating games like chess, dualNback, sudoku, crosswords, etc. can help with neural growth and assist getting things firing again. If you want to try meditation, there are some great guided meditations on the internet. Search Michael Sealey on YouTube, he produces some very nice guided meditations. I listen to him before bed and generally wake up a little more relaxed and ready to take on the day. If I remember correctly, you were taking some college coarses in school correct? Once your more stabilized you could think about enrolling in maybe one class per semester, it will really challenge you intellectually. I’m currently enrolled in one class and even one class is challenging for me,  but it provides some mental stimulation as well as some sense of accomplishment. Hang in there, good days are coming for us. Just keep reminding yourself that people do overcome these issues we experience. It just takes time. 

[Alanmane]

4 hours ago, Cnick91 said:

Hey amigo,

 

Solo quiero asegurarles que muchos de nosotros, si no la mayoría de nosotros, estamos pasando por algún tipo de problemas cognitivos durante el retiro. Sé que la niebla dentada afecta nuestra vida cotidiana y puede hacernos preguntarnos si alguna vez se va a aclarar. Por lo que he leído en este sitio, el tiempo es el factor más importante para aclarar los problemas cognitivos. Tengo su edad y probablemente pueda relacionarme con usted en más niveles de los que cree. Creo que podemos decir con un grado relativamente alto de certeza que algunos de sus problemas cognitivos se derivan de los síntomas de WD. Creo que jugar algunos juegos mentalmente estimulantes como el ajedrez, el doble juego, el sudoku, los crucigramas, etc. puede ayudar al crecimiento neuronal y ayudar a que las cosas vuelvan a dispararse. Si quieres probar la meditación, hay algunas grandes meditaciones guiadas en Internet. Busca a Michael Sealey en YouTube, Él produce algunas meditaciones guiadas muy agradables. Lo escucho antes de acostarse y generalmente me despierto un poco más relajado y listo para enfrentar el día. Si recuerdo bien, estabas tomando algunos problemas universitarios en la escuela, ¿verdad? Una vez que esté más estabilizado, podría pensar en inscribirse en tal vez una clase por semestre, realmente lo desafiará intelectualmente. Actualmente estoy inscrito en una clase e incluso una clase es un reto para mí, pero proporciona algo de estimulación mental así como también un sentido de logro. Quédate ahí, vienen días buenos para nosotros. Solo recuérdate que las personas sí superan estos problemas que experimentamos. Solo lleva tiempo. estabas tomando algunos gritos universitarios en la escuela correcto? Una vez que esté más estabilizado, podría pensar en inscribirse en tal vez una clase por semestre, realmente lo desafiará intelectualmente. Actualmente estoy inscrito en una clase e incluso una clase es un reto para mí, pero proporciona algo de estimulación mental así como también un sentido de logro. Quédate ahí, vienen días buenos para nosotros. Solo recuérdate que las personas sí superan estos problemas que experimentamos. Solo lleva tiempo. estabas tomando algunos gritos universitarios en la escuela correcto? Una vez que esté más estabilizado, podría pensar en inscribirse en tal vez una clase por semestre, realmente lo desafiará intelectualmente. Actualmente estoy inscrito en una clase e incluso una clase es un reto para mí, pero proporciona algo de estimulación mental así como también un sentido de logro. Quédate ahí, vienen días buenos para nosotros. Solo recuérdate que las personas sí superan estos problemas que experimentamos. Solo lleva tiempo. Solo recuérdate que las personas sí superan estos problemas que experimentamos. Solo lleva tiempo. Solo recuérdate que las personas sí superan estos problemas que experimentamos. Solo lleva tiempo. 

Hello friend, thanks for commenting.

 

I am sure that time is the key to improve in the problems caused by WD, the problem is that when the mind happens it believes that this will last forever when it is unreal, it takes lots of patience and wisdom to spend the days with the certainty that it will go better.

 

I have found myself in states of complete mental and physical nullity, not being able to do ANYTHING, similar to a plant state because of retreats and severe depression, it has always been better, much better over time. I had to stop studying last year because I improperly discontinued effexor and now I only work but that's fine, I do intellectual work such as reading, writing, drawing ... Although I do not see myself to study although maybe I could and I do not think so, I wait for the year that comes to finish my course. Today I have slept many hours and I just got up, I notice more energy and less fog, I hope that I started to improve this last drop of dose.

 

A hug and thanks for your suggestions, I'll keep them in mind.

[Alanmane]

23 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Hola de nuevo.

 

La verdad es que mi sistema nervioso ha pasado por mucho estrés y solo tengo 26 años, pero soy consciente de que he puesto mi cuerpo al límite varias veces (crisis severa a los 18, otra severa a los 23, otra a los 25 , agregado al uso de Citalopram por 2 años y effexor por 3 años, también uso marihuana por varios años). Reduzco sin un plan establecido, pero cada 4.5.6 semanas más o menos.

 

Acerca de ir a 9 perlas lo veo como una buena opción, el hecho es que mantengo un promedio en el total de perlas de mis cápsulas, todas varían entre 145 y 155 perlas, por lo que no puedo ser exacto a menos que hice cálculos que ahora no puedo hacerlo, estoy acostumbrado a contar perlas y, aunque no es del todo exacto, lo acepto, no puedo pagar una escala de miligramos de cara y con un géminis sería muy similar al método que utilizo ahora. Odio mantener mi mente en blanco y lento.

Alto, what do u think about this? Thanks!