Cleerity Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 @Shep and @Altostrata So, here I was thinking I was just cruising along, but I must share that these past few days I have been very edgy feeling. I am still getting to sleep in the evening fairly well, but not as quickly as I used to. So, I am thinking of a hold or maybe a slight up dose. I "thought" (wrongly so, me now thinks) that I might not notice a difference during my day time hours, as the clonazepam has been being used to get to sleep at night, but that was an overly presumptuous thought! It is good to be positive, but the reality is that today I was downright anxious feeling through most of the day. What say ye? Just hold or maybe a slight up dose and hold? Thank you! Best, Cleerity 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted July 23, 2021 Administrator Share Posted July 23, 2021 I would hang in, without updosing, unless this slight feeling becomes more distinct. It's just as likely to go away. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Cleerity Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Altostrata said: I would hang in, without updosing, unless this slight feeling becomes more distinct. It's just as likely to go away. Thanks, Alto. I will do that. I will hold for another week or two to wait for things to level out. 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted July 23, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Cleerity said: It is good to be positive, but the reality is that today I was downright anxious feeling through most of the day. What say ye? Just hold or maybe a slight up dose and hold? I'm going to "ditto" Alto's advice and add in some information about possible interdose withdrawal. If you think that this anxiety may be from interdose withdrawal, you may want to slowly move a small part of your clonazepam dose to earlier in the day (moving it gradually, an hour per day). That being said, if you're sleeping at night, it may be worth keeping the full dose for nighttime and doing mindful breathing or other non-drug coping to get you through the day. Also monitor for external stressors you may be having, any changes in diet, etc. that could all be variables in the withdrawal equation. Hopefully the hold will help. Please let us know how you're doing over the coming days. Link to comment
Cleerity Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Thank you, Shep! 1 hour ago, Shep said: That being said, if you're sleeping at night, it may be worth keeping the full dose for nighttime and doing mindful breathing or other non-drug coping to get you through the day. I think this is the best course for me and will focus thusly. I will let you all know how I am doing over the coming weeks! Best, Cleerity 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Cleerity Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Today was significantly better. Just a little edgy and a little anxious, but easily managed. I like to frame the withdrawal periods as a return of my "self" and my faculties, not deadened by the abilify any longer and also coming free of the likewise sedating effects of the clonazepam. I find I am much more reflective, expressive and outspoken than had become normal for me. This is good! I will continue to breathe through the edgy feeling moments as I continue to come home to my self. I will let you know what the next few days bring. Best, Cleerity When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom, "Let it Be... Let it Be, Let it Be, Let it Be..." 2 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted July 24, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 24, 2021 Very glad to read you're feeling better, Cleerity. 1 Link to comment
Cleerity Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 Yesterday was also a good day, very minimal anxiety. My sleep also remains good. As I continue to come off these medications, I am faced with taking more responsibility for my healing in an active and conscious manner, which I am doing and doing very well with. I am glad for the progress being made. I share that to say that I believe part of the withdrawal anxiety I have felt is due to a return of emotions/wounds not more fully and consciously dealt with in earlier years. So, despite the concern the other day, I maintain confidence and inner assurance that I am in a good place. Today (tonight) is the day (without holding) that I would make the next small decrease to .30 mg/ml (one little step down from .31 mg/ml). I am inclined and encouraged to do so. I will let you know how I fare in the coming days. Best, Cleerity 1 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Cleerity Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 Since my next minuscule step down to .30 mg/ml (present dose) of the clonazepam on 7/25/21, all remains well in my world. The anxiety I experienced was indeed a passing phenomenon. Good. Steady I go. Best wishes to all here working to eliminate psychotropic medications from their lives. We need an awake people, not a population medicated into blind submission to the wheel of Big Pharma. Cleerity 1 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
Cleerity Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Good morning! Just a short note to say that, as of 9/12/21, I finally arrived at .25 mg/ml on my clonazepam taper. Six months done and a 50% reduction so far. I am not experiencing any withdrawal symptoms - no increased anxiety, no loss of sleep. So, all is well in my world. For this, I am very glad. Best, Cleerity 3 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
wantrelief Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Oh this is wonderful to hear, Cleerity! It is so heartening you haven't experienced any withdrawal symptoms with your clonazepam taper. I have a long way to go with my citalopram taper and have to admit I am pretty nervous (well, terrified!) of tapering clonazepam down the road. Your positive experience is hopeful that it might all be ok. Thank you so much for sharing your journey here. Best wishes for the rest of your taper, WR -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg; 4/20/24: 1.09 mg Link to comment
Cleerity Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 7 hours ago, wantrelief said: I have a long way to go with my citalopram taper and have to admit I am pretty nervous (well, terrified!) of tapering clonazepam down the road. Your positive experience is hopeful that it might all be ok. Thank you so much for sharing your journey here. Hello WantRelief. You are welcome … and thank you. It is best not to anticipate or imagine what will be your response when you begin reducing the clonazepam. I wish you success (!) and much peace as you travel along in your tapering journey. Best, Cleerity 1 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
wantrelief Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Cleerity said: It is best not to anticipate or imagine what will be your response when you begin reducing the clonazepam. Thank you for this - very wise and good advice! 2 hours ago, Cleerity said: I wish you success (!) and much peace as you travel along in your tapering journey. Aw, thank you also for this, Cleerity. I am wishing you the same with the rest of your journey. 🙏 1 -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg; 4/20/24: 1.09 mg Link to comment
Cleerity Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 16 hours ago, wantrelief said: I am wishing you the same with the rest of your journey. 🙏 Thank you! And always very best wishes! 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment
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