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nirubhai

Hi,

Is it possible to get natural sleep after heavy use of valium for about 40 years? I'm off from valium for last 3 years and tapering etizolam*. Took valium from 1970 to 2014.

 

*  Link to wiki information about this drug.

Etizolam (marketed under the brand name Etilaam, Etizola, Sedekopan, Etizest, Pasaden or Depas) is a benzodiazepine analog.

 

 

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Valium 30, 40 to 50 mg from 1970 to 2014. Decreasing valium and mirtaz 25 in 2014 to 2015 March. Shifted to etizolam 1 mg and 2 other tranquilizers (names out of memory) in April 2015. Following change of place and psychiatrist, shifted to etizolam 2 mg. Tapering began Sept 2018. Light depression and acute insomnia continue.

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nirubhai

Hi all

 

Is magnesium intake at the time of Benzodiazepine withdrawal really helpful as claimed often? Dr Heather Ashton, the famous benzo fighter has advised AGAINST all supplements.

 

Your take please.

NB 

 

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Valium 30, 40 to 50 mg from 1970 to 2014. Decreasing valium and mirtaz 25 in 2014 to 2015 March. Shifted to etizolam 1 mg and 2 other tranquilizers (names out of memory) in April 2015. Following change of place and psychiatrist, shifted to etizolam 2 mg. Tapering began Sept 2018. Light depression and acute insomnia continue.

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manymoretodays

Hi nirubhai,

And welcome aboard.

Can you tell us a little bit more about your history.

Please put your withdrawal history in your signature

this is the portion you see under other members posts, unless using a phone device.  Just follow the instructions in the above link.

 

And I'm just going to give you the bare minimum of links here to some of our information regarding tapering and withdrawal.

 

The 10% taper recommendation is a harm reduction approach to going off psychiatric drugs.

 

When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.

 

How did you come off Valium?

What dose do you take presently of your etizolam, and how are you tapering it?

Have you a history of any other psychiatric type drugs?

And what is your sleep like presently?

You might find some helpful information and non drug coping here:  Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems

There is a whole indexed list of topics in the first post, specific to sleep problems, in the link ^

 

We do have members on benzo's, and magnesium supplements.  I'll give you a few more links regarding your question.

Important topics about tests, supplements, treatments, and diet

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker

I think you'll find that we may vary a bit here at survivingantidepressants from some of Dr. Ashton's ideas and philosophy.

You are also most welcome to take a look over in our Benzo tapering and recovery area

Perhaps you would like to start an introduction there as well.

Best,

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt

 


Started with psycho meds circa 1988 I think 27 or 28 total.

AD's, antpsychotics, antiseizure mood stabilizers. Lithium, lamictal ,benzos, and stimulants. Some med. for narcolepsy once(Provigil,) Gabapentin........probably more.  Ask me?......I probably was on it.  Haphazard W/D's by Dr. recommend or uneducated self.

10/2014- off Lexapro--had been on highest dose 10 mg. then 5 mg. for a couple of years, went from 5 mg. to 3 mg. liquid and then CT in hospital(voluntary).  I got out of the hospital on a combination of low dose adderal salts x1/day and trileptal 150mg. x2/day.

5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014)

12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!

 

3/21/2016---I did some unwise updosing of trileptal/oxcarbazepine with some stressful stuff......doubled the above dose x2 during this last wave but began liquifying again and on approximately 68mg. starting today.  11/12//2016 24 mg. oxcarbazepine  12/9/2016 off oxcarbazepine/trileptal!!!! :) optimistic  2016 December 9- completely off all medications!!!!!

Omega3's,EPA +DHA= 1800 mg/day. Magnesium complex, orally, diluted in a liter of H2O(that I can shake up.....it usually dissolves more completely as the water gets down to room temperature) and/or Epsom salt baths prn.   Vit. C, D3, and E.  B12, melatonin tapered to 1mg., and bioidentical hormones sublingually.  Trace mineral drops.  L-lysine.  L-methylfolate=400 mcg plus daily spinach. Totally ready for a good long window to hit soon and getting better strings of full days and partial days along the way.  Definite improvement overall since I first arrived on the SA survivor ship.  Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016.  None of my posts are intended as medical advice.  Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. manymoretodays

 

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Altostrata

Hello, nirubhai. How are you doing now?

 

Here are our sleep tips 

 


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nirubhai

I quit etizolam on 27 March and it's 50 days of having been off. I am, alongside the issues of depression and brain fog, facing the problem of acute insomnia in nights. I am taking Amitriptyline 10 mg for the last 3 days, and it's giving me some help in sleep (something is better than nothing way). Should I continue with this antidepressant? I just fear, I may get dependent on it, and that may crack away my life itself this time. Please help.


Valium 30, 40 to 50 mg from 1970 to 2014. Decreasing valium and mirtaz 25 in 2014 to 2015 March. Shifted to etizolam 1 mg and 2 other tranquilizers (names out of memory) in April 2015. Following change of place and psychiatrist, shifted to etizolam 2 mg. Tapering began Sept 2018. Light depression and acute insomnia continue.

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nirubhai

While withdrawing from etizolam and having quit it finally, I've developed severe brain fog. Any idea to correct it and be normal?


Valium 30, 40 to 50 mg from 1970 to 2014. Decreasing valium and mirtaz 25 in 2014 to 2015 March. Shifted to etizolam 1 mg and 2 other tranquilizers (names out of memory) in April 2015. Following change of place and psychiatrist, shifted to etizolam 2 mg. Tapering began Sept 2018. Light depression and acute insomnia continue.

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ChessieCat
3 minutes ago, nirubhai said:

I've developed severe brain fog. Any idea to correct it and be normal?

 

It will slowly get better.  You just need to be patient and give your brain time to adjust to not getting the drug.

 

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Being very patient.  I'll get there - slowly.  ETA mid 2021

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Day 54 of benzo freedom. Sleep acute hard to get. Took amitriptyline 10 mg yesterday which somewhat helped. Will it be OK to go with this drug for sleep? 


Valium 30, 40 to 50 mg from 1970 to 2014. Decreasing valium and mirtaz 25 in 2014 to 2015 March. Shifted to etizolam 1 mg and 2 other tranquilizers (names out of memory) in April 2015. Following change of place and psychiatrist, shifted to etizolam 2 mg. Tapering began Sept 2018. Light depression and acute insomnia continue.

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brassmonkey

Please do not get mixed up with this drug.  We do not recommend adding any drug to cover up or control WD symptoms, because it puts you right back where you were to start with.  Having to get off of another drug. Amitriptyline hydrochloride, also known as Elavil, is a tricyclic antidepressant. That is what they used before benzos were invented.  It is quite addictive and very, very hard to get off of.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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intothewoods
14 hours ago, nirubhai said:

Took amitriptyline 10 mg yesterday which somewhat helped. Will it be OK to go with this drug for sleep? 

 

I've been on Amitriptyline for 15 years and regret the first pill. It's peddled by physicians as somewhat benign yet, as @brassmonkey said, it's terribly addictive. If you google the side effects of even short-term use, you'll see it causes neurological problems, including cervical dystonia, and a host of other ugly things I can attest to. I'm tapering at a glacial pace because it doesn't let go without a fight. 


* Prozac: 40 mg 1999-2012; 60 mg 2012-March 2018; 50 mg April 2018 to present.

* Provigil: 25-100 mg PRN 2005 to mid-2015; 200-300 mg mid-2015 to early 2016; tapered from 300 mg in early 2016 to 100 mg early 2017; tapered from 100 mg early 2017 to 31 mg June 15, 2019; 29 mg at present.

* Amitriptyline: 10-15 mg 2002-2013; 25 mg 2014 to December 5, 2018; December 15, 2018 converted to water suspension and tapered to 22 1/2 mg at present.

* Valium: 5 mg at night 2002-present

 Supplements: Magnesium; Iron for anemia

 

Back Story: From 2012 thru early 2017, relocated and cycled through over 20 primary and psych docs (supposedly for severe Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) who prescribed two dozen different psych meds in search of the "perfect therapeutic combo." Took most for only a few days, some for a week. Included Wellbutrin, Cymbalta, Lexapro, Seroquel, Lamictal, Klonopin, Lyrica, Gabapentin, Belsomra, Tramadol, Librium, Halcyon, Remeron and -- the last straw, Trintellix. Began in early 2016 when it was still called Brintellix (Pharma's attempt to combine the words "brilliance" and "intelligence" in a pill name), became unable to eat or sleep, lost 25 lbs and the ability to speak. Slowly tapered myself back to Prozac by 2017 but was unable to stop akathisia, cortisol mornings and kindling which continue, actively, through present.

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