GiaK Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 What media hype and those selling mindfulness don’t tell you is that mindfulness is a process that can radically transform you and it’s not always safe nor is it easy or straightforward. We make it safer by being aware of the risks and learning to listen to our own bodies about when it is or isn’t okay for us. No one else actually knows.... Mindfulness and Complex Trauma: The Rewards and the Risks https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/11/mindfulness-complex-trauma/ Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleerity Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I commented on this post in your blog this morning and only now realized you also post on this site! I can't thank Shep enough for recommending your website to me. "Thank you" for being the voice in the wilderness that you are. 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 Nice to see you here. I loved your comment on the site. We are clearly like-minded Souls. Thanks for saying hello here too. Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I was interested recently to discover that mindfulness is also less evidence-based than we might like (though it turns out that is the case for much of healthcare). My therapist didn't do it with me, but I did an online program for a bit - tbh I wasn't all that impressed. I'll go read the article. 2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012 January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg July 2014 Sertraline dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months, slower tapering until 2019 22 Dec 3.2mg 2020 Sertraline 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg, July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg, early Nov switched to home made suspension; 29 Nov 1.8mg; approx 25 Dec 1.6mg) 2021 Some time in about Jan/Feb realised probably on more like 1.8mg and poss mixing error in making suspension; doses after 10 Feb accurate; 10 Feb 1.6mg; 7 Mar 1.4, continued monthly 10% drops until 1mg, then dropped 0.1mg monthly. May 2022,0.1mg, now dropping 0.01mg per week 29 August 2022 - first day of zero! My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/21/ Current: Armour Thyroid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 to be clear, I love mindfulness but it shouldn't be passed out like candy, so to speak. We are all different and we respond differently to the same things...and yeah, evidence based doesn't really mean much to me. Does it work for me? Do I find myself wanting to do it? Yes. That's enough evidence for me. Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Mindfulness is part of the buddhist tradition before western teachers who trained in east asia brought the practice back to the west. it has been implemented into therapeutic applications, stripped of religious teaching. it is a practice to calm the mind by bringing one attention to experience occurring in the present moment. a teacher refers to it like stopping to steer the surface of the water and let the mud settle so that you can see more clearly what is at the bottom. it is just the beginning of a long journey of transformation and healing by looking at our mind. in my opinion, it is essential to have some guidance weather in the form of therapy or buddhist teaching to bring wisdom to some of the insight that we can experience during this process of uncovering which can be really painful. i find the most difficult part to remember and exercise if a non judgemental attitude towards what we are uncovering. it is like peeling layers of an onion, a lot of it is conditioning . we need a lot of self compassion, kindness and a strong belief that at the heart, we are pure, that the trauma, the fear, the shame, the emotional baggage is not who we are at our core. someone asked a buddhist teacher if he can summarize the teaching of the buddha and he said "everything changes" in my opinion, the goal is not the final healing but to continue to grow from our journey, to learn not to fear our mud, to cultivate self compassion and acceptance in the process, and most importantly to accept changes as part of life. and with mindfulness we can do just that at all time. june 2014 to feb 2015- on xanax 0.25 to 1mg/day- then CT - jan 2016 - panic attack, went on 3.75mg remeron to sleep march 2016- CT remeron (because it caused me tinnitus)- deep depression, couldn't sleep because of intrusive Tinnitus april to june 2016- valium 4mg, xanax as needed, lunesta 3mg june 2016 - valium 4mg, lexapro 10mg oct 2016- valium 2mg, lexapro 10mg- hold march 2017- started daily micro liquid taper of valium and lex- -taper speed 0.0033mg valium daily and 0.033mg lex daily may 2018- valium 1mg, lexapro 2.4mg - i had to slow down the rate of my daily micro taper considerably LAST dose of Lexapro: 0.05mg on 05/17/19 LAST dose of valium: 0.04mg on 08/18/19 April 26th 2020- intense panic attack that lasted 4 days, akatisia, 0 sleep- suicidal, almost hospitalized- took rescue doses over 2 days- total: 1.5mg xanax, 18mg valium, 2x5mg lexapro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted December 8, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 1:10 PM, GiaK said: Nice to see you here. I loved your comment on the site. We are clearly like-minded Souls. Thanks for saying hello here too. Hello Gia, I love BeyondMeds too and the way you write. I loved the latest piece on delusion so much. Lots of love, Bubble Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieDecides Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 1:06 PM, GiaK said: What media hype and those selling mindfulness don’t tell you is that mindfulness is a process that can radically transform you and it’s not always safe nor is it easy or straightforward. We make it safer by being aware of the risks and learning to listen to our own bodies about when it is or isn’t okay for us. No one else actually knows.... Mindfulness and Complex Trauma: The Rewards and the Risks https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/11/mindfulness-complex-trauma/ this is news to me, and very interesting. so far I can only aspire to mindfulness but now I'll beware of assuming it's safe. 🙄 I have been reading a bit on beyond meds. you, like many people here on SA, astonish me with your ability to write well. I hope I can get better, too. Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut) Famotidine once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes) magnesium 200 mg at night as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000" off Lexapro as of 5/2018 - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleerity Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 6:10 AM, GiaK said: Nice to see you here. I loved your comment on the site. We are clearly like-minded Souls. Thanks for saying hello here too. You are very welcome...and, thank you! I think that through the work on your website, you are expressing the voice of many, and helping more than you will ever truly know. On 12/6/2018 at 3:14 PM, GiaK said: Does it work for me? Do I find myself wanting to do it? Yes. That's enough evidence for me. It works for me, too! On 12/7/2018 at 6:46 PM, xyz said: it is like peeling layers of an onion, a lot of it is conditioning . we need a lot of self compassion, kindness and a strong belief that at the heart, we are pure, that the trauma, the fear, the shame, the emotional baggage is not who we are at our core. Well said, xyz. Though, it is a process that can take some time. I think that folks are at different stages of awareness with their conditioning. Some may not see it at all, initially. And some others may be flooded with it. Self-compassion is crucial when one has much arising. The point of Gia's article (as I understand it) is that many are now pushing mindfulness without warning that one can potentially encounter a host of psychological and emotional issues that the process itself does not prepare one to deal with. And developing the compassionate long-suffering is something that takes practice. For one (like me) who experienced a lot of trauma in early life, I had zero emotional coping skills and no idea how to be kind and compassionate with myself when I started years ago. So, I see her article as being "spot-on." 4/2001 - Clonazepam, .5mg (at bed); 5/2010: 1 mg; 9/2018: .5 mg; 10/20/2018: .47 mg; 10/24/2018: back up to .5 mg. Began daily micro taper by liquid prep on 3/12/2021 (avg. 10% redux of last dose every 28 days). At .17 mg/ml as of 12/24/2021. 4/2002 - Alprazolam, .25 mg (PRN), up to 2x/day. DISCONTINUED 10/21/20185/2010 - Mirtazapine - 15 mg (at bed)3/2012 - Aripiprazole - 2 mg (in A.M.) - Began reducing Dec. 30, 2018. Daily micro-taper by liquid preparation. DISCONTINUED 1/14/2021. 6/2012 - 500 mg Metformin ER, 2 tabs, 2x/day. DISCONTINUED April 2020. Supplements: Multi Vit / Calcium-600 mg x2 / D3-5000 IU / C-1000 mg x2 / Fish Oil-1000 IU / Magnesium-200 mg x2 / Zinc-50 mg / Biotin-10,000 mcg / Glutathione-500 mg / Quercetin-1000 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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