Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted January 1, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 1, 2019 Would you be able to get the seroquel prolong? Anytime you break open the prolong tablets, it becomes immediate release. Here's what I see: Nighttime dose is 50 mg seroquel prolong (plus enough broken tablet to make up the rest of your dose), and then we can start tapering the morning dose. Try and negotiate with your doctors - say you are too sedated in the daytime, and would like Seroquel prolong at night, and then you will easily be able to start tapering your morning dose. So you reduced your quetiapine again? From 235 to 211 mg? Yesterday? Spread across all of your doses? Let's hold there for at least 2 weeks, but I would like your next reduction to come off of ONE dose, the morning dose, your first dose of the day. The goal is to eliminate the sedatives from your daytime, so that you can be more functional. Let us know how this reduction goes, please? And please update your signature - we need to be kept current about how you are dosing. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I only have my I phone. How do I get to my Signatur? i am afraid of seroquel prolong. Would that really help? Did you mean I can also cut that, too? really? i don‘teven know if it is a tablet or capsule. i read so much about it being difficult to taper and bad on the organs. I am almost terrified by any change. I know that a dose around 200 mg quetiapine is no good for my arousel because I was around that dose for quite a while in early summer. I will have to endure this terrible arousel and hope it will get better at a much lower dose. Yes I reduced every dose by 10 %. i thought it was necessary to have an even distributionduring the day to maintain bloodstream levels stable? Edited January 1, 2019 by Tanha 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 I am so sick of not being able to relax a minute during the day due to arousel and akathisia. Now it is even more difficult because of being tired all day. sorry for repeating myself. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 It is good to hear from people who survived this hel. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 I can get seroquel prolong. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Dear @Altostrata do need to separate my drugdose (Diazepam and quetiapine) or can that wait? I am afraid of this of course and addicted to both drugs. But if it helps reduce fatigue I will make myself go this step. what do you think of seroquel prolong? I wish we could make it without this for now but sedation is really intense, during the whole morning worst. Yet it is a very new symptom but severe. What I do not mention in my daily patterns: anxiety is raised throughout every day for a week now and virtually all year a problem. I never had this before wd. Brainfog, bad cognition and akathisia (often more mental) and dp are with me all day for a long time now 24/7. diarrhea is with me since April, never improves. My eysight has gone bad a couple of weeks ago. I cannot focus. i have worst anhedonia and no feelings at all but fear since 262 mg quetiapine and/or16 mg mirtazapin. If I mention them in the daily notes they are particularly worse but in general they persist throughout the day. i cannot stop loosing weight slowly. I am working on that with the therapist but it is getting more and more difficult. i never ever had any hunger or appetite since April. low bloodpressure due to the medication has been diagnosed during levomepromazine taper in autumn. did not get better since. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 I have a problem we wanted to only reduce quetiapine which I did. Now because I went home for the weekend and the nurse prepared diazepam with water in syringes for 2 days with 3 doses (and there might have been made a fault by the nurse in not shaking water and diazepam before putting it into the syringes) i might have gotten four times too less diazepam. But I don‘t know. Only suspecting. problem is that we cannot tell if the symptoms these days are due to the reduction of quetiapine or the possible diazepam mistake. Last cut quetiapine 31.dec. (Is this cut worthless now for the records in order to find out patterns of dymptoms?) i am also very afraid of the diazepam also getting paradoxical because downing and upping doses is no good. Since yesterday evening I went back to regular doses. Was that a mistake, too because it might be an updoseevent? I also had reduced magnesium. since an hour ago I have a ridiculesly high anxiety of unknown cause. Unbearable. can I do anything now except trying to survive this? I react really bad to 0,5 mg cuts of diazepam and I cut quetiapine aggressively every two weeks. How can we stabilize things and how can we get a clean daily pattern of the symptoms caused only by quetiapinereduction ? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Went for a long walk and could be angry does that count as „feelings“ are coming back? Grrrrr whrn i wished to have my emotions back I meant something like pleasure or joy. Instead it is more like running away from emotions if they pitch up. No good, I know. After every dosereduction of quetiapine i always had two days of honeymoon. So not alltogether a good development. Grrrr 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 15 days since last cut of quetiapine 1 month and 2 weeks after last cut mirtazapine 68 days since cutting levomepromazine to zero 9 months since ct cymbalta and promethazine 1. Jan 211,5 quetiapine 5 am. woke, arousel, fatigue, sick, very unwell 7:30 pm. 50 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, Vitamine d meat, cucumber, oats, hempprotein, 8:30 am. dry mouth 9 am. fatigue extreme all morning, very sedated, flue, Milder lack of musclecontrol Anhedonia, depressed, , No feelings, mild akathisia, very dizzy, Stuffed head and brainfog all day, diarrhea 11:30 am. Mild nausea, flue all day but milder 11:30 am. Noni juice noon. pork, potatoe 48 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate 12:40. anxiety, anhedonia, cannot close eyes (panic, akathisia) 2 pm. eyes bad, dizzy, akathisia, feeling of no musclecontrol but not as bad, anxiety, earringing milder, feeling like low bloodpressure 2:30 pm. Vitamine juice 150 mg magnesiumcitrate akathisia 3:45 pm. emotionally blunt but anxiety brainfog all day 4:30 pm. mental akathisia, anxiety 5:30 pm. anxiety crisis until 7 pm meat, oats, hempprotein sweets 54,5 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 6:45 pm. loads of anxiety but no crisis, angry, depressed 7 pm. 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, depressed, anhedonia, akathisia slightly better, less anxiety, eating sweets 8 pm. 16 mg mirtazapine 9:30 pm. 59 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam compared to days before: (Honeymoon always two days after a cut) fatigue debiliating during whole morning, appetite better, all day more anxiety, at 5 pm unusual anxiety crisis (due to change, mistake with medication or magnesium?), not closing eyes during the day is an old symptom from diazepamwithdrawl, flue since noon much better, brainfog bad, less feeling of lack of musclecontrol, slight anger, more depressed 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 1, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 1, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 6:10 AM, Tanha said: .... i cut quetiapine by 10% today from 235 to 211,5 mg. Morning 50 mg noon 48 mg evening 54,5 mg night 59 mg. Hope to survive this after only two weeks of holding. Don‘t even know how a managed to cut and weight the new doses (maths has been done by my Wife). what do you think of taking quetiapine and Diazepam apart? how much time inbetween? I have to take diazepam to doctors regime 4 times a day. I am very afraid of the fatigue getting worse but also of the possibility to make more mistakes taking the drugs properly at too many different times a day. My brainfog and cognition is really bad. but if taking apart would make things better I would talk to the doctors getting diazepam less often. At the moment I fear that though. Taking quetiapine and diazepam apart might be helpful but you're taking them 4 times a day, so there's not a lot of room to move them around. Since you just reduced to 211.5mg Seroquel, we need to see the effect for at least a couple of weeks before changing anything else. DO NOT MOVE DOSING AROUND during this observation period. For your next reduction, it may make sense to make each of your 4 Seroquel doses 50mg for a daily total of 200mg, This will be easier for you to measure. Then, you can switch to Seroquel Prolonged, which should come in 50mg tablets. You can gradually move the last 3 to one evening dose. This will separate Seroquel from the diazepam for 3 of your 4 doses. If it looks like you should continue to reduce Seroquel, at daily dose of 200mg, you can reduce the 50mg immediate-release tablet while taking 150mg in prolonged-release. Of course, throughout this process, you must keep daily dosing and symptom notes. 11 hours ago, Tanha said: .... I know that a dose around 200 mg quetiapine is no good for my arousel because I was around that dose for quite a while in early summer. I will have to endure this terrible arousel and hope it will get better at a much lower dose. Yes I reduced every dose by 10 %. i thought it was necessary to have an even distributionduring the day to maintain bloodstream levels stable? The condition of your nervous system now is different from your nervous system 6 months ago. Because you take an ascending dosage of Seroquel, your bloodstream level changes throughout the day. Because you take higher doses at night, the level in your bloodstream is HIGHER at night. This may be why it doesn't help you sleep. Cutting 10% across all 4 doses reduces the daily load by 10%. That's okay. You need to monitor the result of this change. 1 hour ago, Tanha said: I have a problem we wanted to only reduce quetiapine which I did. Now because I went home for the weekend and the nurse prepared diazepam with water in syringes for 2 days with 3 doses (and there might have been made a fault by the nurse in not shaking water and diazepam before putting it into the syringes) i might have gotten four times too less diazepam. But I don‘t know. Only suspecting. problem is that we cannot tell if the symptoms these days are due to the reduction of quetiapine or the possible diazepam mistake. Last cut quetiapine 31.dec. (Is this cut worthless now for the records in order to find out patterns of dymptoms?) i am also very afraid of the diazepam also getting paradoxical because downing and upping doses is no good. Since yesterday evening I went back to regular doses. Was that a mistake, too because it might be an updoseevent? I also had reduced magnesium. since an hour ago I have a ridiculesly high anxiety of unknown cause. Unbearable. can I do anything now except trying to survive this? I react really bad to 0,5 mg cuts of diazepam and I cut quetiapine aggressively every two weeks. How can we stabilize things and how can we get a clean daily pattern of the symptoms caused only by quetiapinereduction ? Exactly how much diazepam did the nurse put in the syringes? I don't understand "four times too less." If your diazepam dosage has varied, that will affect your daily symptom pattern and obscure the results of the Seroquel reduction. You will need to note how much of each drug you're taking every day and track your symptoms throughout the day as usual. Because diazepam has such a long half-life, you may not feel the effects of the dosage variation for several days or a week. Quote since an hour ago I have a ridiculesly high anxiety of unknown cause. Unbearable. This might be because of the variation in diazepam dosage. My guess is you are physiologically addicted to diazepam, and IN COMBINATION WITH SEROQUEL it may also be an excessive dose causing a paradoxical reaction. We have not suggested reducing diazepam. Do not change the diazepam dosing. As your drug dosage is changed so often, your symptoms will also fluctuate. This postpones stabilization, which means a predictable symptom pattern. You will not stabilize until you get your drug schedule under control. Since you got a look at your chart, did you identify the mystery pill? We need to know about that. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) Dear @Altostrata, thank you for the very detailed and valuable information. It helps a lot to understand what is ahead of me in terms of systematic withdrawl. To answer your questions: The mystery pill I do not get (yet). Is it still of interest? It would have been a sedating ad not going well with Mirtazapin. That is all I know. I cannot find out about it but it seems no issue for the doctors as long as I pretend to get better. They made it clear that they will never give me the name of it! No chance. i cannot tell what amount of diazepam has been wrong. I only know that it tasted very odd (Mouldy eggs) (although it was apparently from exact the same bottle of diazepam). And the nurse that was preparing it told me that she had made the single doses by pouring diazepam and water into a container (which from experience is not sufficient to mix them because the diazepam „falls and sticks“ to the bottom) and then sucked it into the syringe only after a very gentle stirr . (which I know and she knows is too gentle to get an even distribution at all). A pharmacist told me diazepam would not evaporate through plastic. I don‘t know if it changes pharmacokinetics being in water over night. It says on the bottle „do not mix with water“ but the nurses always do that (normally freshly). I cannot get a prescription while inpatient. i cannot go home for the weekends if we don‘t solve this properly. The nurses are quite uneasy that I don‘t accept diazepampills for going home because we are not tapering anyway. I cannot switch betwern diazepam pills and liquid all the time. Impossible and i do not switch from the liquid to anything. That was too hard to come from lorazepam to diazepam. I cannot cope with that! Any any idea how long I can used liquid diazepam? I have a bottle at home but I fear after 9 months not using it staying in the cupboard it could have gone off. Anybody knows about this? Would make things easier! We are talking about 3 doses on dec 30 and 2 doses on dec 31. (each 1 or 1,5 mg) that might have been partially wrong due to not mixing water and diazepam well enough before. The nurse admitted that this could have Happend. I absolutely do keep dosages stable now. That’s why I am so angry about the diazepamissue. Usually I make more mistakes than the nurses. My wife also made the Daily pillpreparing easier (she prepared many containers with single doses and put them into an foolproof order in my cupboard). . „if it looks like you should continue to reduce Seroquel, at daily dose of 200mg, you can reduce the 50mg immediate-release tablet while taking 150mg in prolonged-release.“ Seroquel prolong: Did i get it right that this only works until we have reduced seroquel by 50 mg and then need to switch another prolong-pill back to immediate release in order to cut the dose slowly? Or can one cut the prolonged version also in tiny increments? My body hates switching pill-types or brands. I suffered greatly when we converted 8 mg levomepromazine into liquid. I thought I would die. ... but than again we talk about years to survive withdrawl functioning hopefully better than I do now - with less severe fatigue. Ugh. what do the prolong users tell about fatigue? Does it help? I read a lot that it is more difficult to withdraw seroquel prolong (is this true?). I somehow hope to avoid seroquel prolong but all you said about it sounds very sensible. And the fatigue is not manageable. Did I get it right that I must convince my doctors either in hospital or at home after my hospitalstay to prescribe both, immediaterelease and prolong quetiapine? sounds impossible. They would not do that and using all the (so far) collected „used“ pills is dangerous because they are getting old and I had them in the mouth for a short while and they have not been sealed in a blister for so long. I think one should not use these. actually there are medical guidelines in Germany that do not allow the use of immediateresponse quetiapine for outpatient treatment for depression (only for psychosis which I don‘t have). I only got it because I pretended that seroquel prolong makes me vomit. That is not convincing if I ask for both versions. i haven‘t found a doctor helping with withdrawl. They actually get really angry when I start this topic of slow taper. I asked a few of them and had to wait always around 6 months in order to get an appointment. Very difficult, rural area. All of them really got angry at me for even asking and then I could even present full blown akathisia!. My wife has been so shocked by this, too. We are two polite, sensible middleaged women! What is wrong with theses doctors? 1 hour ago, Altostrata said: Because you take an ascending dosage of Seroquel, your bloodstream level changes throughout the day. Because you take higher doses at night, the level in your bloodstream is HIGHER at night. This may be why it doesn't help you sleep. I believe it does help me sleep, though. But maybe I am wrong. I do sleep a chemical sleep from 10 pm to 5 am. I did not sleep at all in June (acute diazepamwithdrawl), not even after an updose from 4 to 15 mg diazepam helped. i was on 200 mg quetiapine and 45 mg mirtazapine at that time,too.only the updose from 200 to400 mg Quetiapine and 50 mg Neurocil made me sleep again after weeks of no sleep at all and not being able to close my eyes for even a minute all day and night due to severe vertigo/dizziness and constantly fainting. I had to lay with feet up all day and night. No way going to the toilet, eg. That was intense! And I don‘t know if the cymbalta and Bupropion ct and now the Mirtazapin fast taper still mess up my sleep. Could be that quetiapine covers this still. We‘ll see. Edited January 1, 2019 by Tanha New 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 How long can I use liquid diazepam? i have a bottle in the cupboard at home since March and I don‘t know if I can still use it. Unopened one can use it for a year but we used it in summer already. Does it need cooling? as an inpatient I cannot get any prescription but in order to be able to leave hospital I have to have weekendtrainings at home which I just started. I cannot take diazepam pills and the nurses keep on making mistakes giving me liquid diazepam as single doses with water in syringes. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 How can I convince my doc that I need quetiapine immediate release and quetiapine extended release? they don’t support my withdrawl. In germany i am not allowed to have immediate release seroquel for depression as annoutpatient. I could only get it by pretending that the extended release seroquel makes me vomit. Not very convincing if I want both immediate and extended release pills for a slow taper. Or can I cut the extendedrelease seroquel like the immediaterealease version? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 1, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 1, 2019 If you can't get the prescription, you might as well stay on Seroquel immediate-release. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Tanha said: 15 days since last cut of quetiapine 1 month and 2 weeks after last cut mirtazapine 68 days since cutting levomepromazine to zero 9 months since ct cymbalta and promethazine 1. Jan 211,5 quetiapine 5 am. woke, arousel, fatigue, sick, very unwell 7:30 pm. 50 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, Vitamine d meat, cucumber, oats, hempprotein, 8:30 am. dry mouth 9 am. fatigue extreme all morning, very sedated, flue, Milder lack of musclecontrol Anhedonia, depressed, , No feelings, mild akathisia, very dizzy, Stuffed head and brainfog all day, diarrhea 11:30 am. Mild nausea, flue all day but milder 11:30 am. Noni juice noon. pork, potatoe 48 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate 12:40. anxiety, anhedonia, cannot close eyes (panic, akathisia) 2 pm. eyes bad, dizzy, akathisia, feeling of no musclecontrol but not as bad, anxiety, earringing milder, feeling like low bloodpressure 2:30 pm. Vitamine juice 150 mg magnesiumcitrate akathisia 3:45 pm. emotionally blunt but anxiety brainfog all day 4:30 pm. mental akathisia, anxiety 5:30 pm. anxiety crisis until 7 pm meat, oats, hempprotein sweets 54,5 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 6:45 pm. loads of anxiety but no crisis, angry, depressed 7 pm. 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, depressed, anhedonia, akathisia slightly better, less anxiety, eating sweets 8 pm. 16 mg mirtazapine 9:30 pm. 59 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam compared to days before: (Honeymoon always two days after a cut) fatigue debiliating during whole morning, appetite better, all day more anxiety, at 5 pm unusual anxiety crisis (due to change, mistake with medication or magnesium?), not closing eyes during the day is an old symptom from diazepamwithdrawl, flue since noon much better, brainfog bad, less feeling of lack of musclecontrol, slight anger, more depressed Of course I had arousel all day but less! Forgot to mention this! 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Suspected diazepam incidence, quetiapine reduction and unusual change in sleeping and fatigue during the last days: 30.dec Dates of Suspected unknown amount of diazepamreduction: 30. dec. diazepam: noon 1,5 mg ? evening 1,5 mg ? night 1 mg? sleep was very different, not waking in the night, did not wake up by myself in the morning (normally always at 5 with slight arousel) severe fatigue and sedation during whole morning and little better in the afternoon. 31. dec diazepam: morning 1 mg? Noon 1,5 mg? evening: normal dose again Reduction of quetiapine 235 to 211mg, start at noon 31.dec Woke at 7 am by alarm only (very unusual, no broken sleep, also unusual) 7:30 am mild arousel and bad sedation and fatigue all morning 1. Jan 221 mg Quetiapine woke at 5 am (no broken sleep) Arousel severe fatigue and sedation all morning, little better in the afternoon little more anxiety all day at 5 pm terrible spike of anxiety 2. jan 211 mg Quetiapine woke at 5 am (no broken sleep) arousel, 6:30 am terrible hyperarousel for longer sore throat 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 I have diarrhea all the time do I have to be concerned about malabsorption of my medication? i cannot stop loosing weight, too. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 I cannot find anyone insanely dealing with hyperarousel. Hyperarousel is the worst. one cannot do anything against it and any distraction except for walking/pacing isn‘t possible. I am so afraid that this will last due to braindamage. it is terrifying. I wish this is a paradoxical reaction of quetiapine but actually it doesn‘t look like it these days. Not much I can do about it but survive. To not know the cause is bad. Feels like I am not going into the right direction with quetiapine taper. this is definitely no healing. the hyperarousel got slowly worse during December. That worries me. hoplessness all around. i read that the body cannot „rebuild“ normal stressregulation after being on these heavy meds like 120 mg cymbalta for years. That’s why I got this load of more meds like diazepam Mirtazapin and Quetiapine because in summer we couldn‘t cope with this hyperarousel. It also made all my attempts to reduce diazepam fail and fail and fail again. I am scared like hell. If this is not acute withdrawl and gets any better within days or a few weeks I don‘t know what to do. I cannot live with this as wd normal or normal normal. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 I need help. I got a strange feeling today and I need to know what it is. it feels like if i cannot bear another minute with this body. It is no feeling like depression, just that I very intensely feel (not think) I cannot breath any longer (yet it doesn’t feel like it has to do with breathing problems). more like the heart will stop but no real fear or direct heart sensation. Like I physical depression. yet this is so intense that I need to know what it is in order to survive this. Do i need to to some diagnostics done or just biting through it? It is very physical! Like numbed hyperarousel. And being intensely irritable but numb. Like exploding. like loosing control of the mind also. what is this? Is this too severe withdrawl and means I must stop tapering quetiapine and hold or push on because it is a sideeffects? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 I go to the optometrist next week. i have problems focussing badly and severe lightsensovity of the eyes. What test can I ask for to find out if I am damaging my eyes with uv light? do sunglasses help? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
powerback Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Hi Tanha ,you are in an extreme wave, the anxiety and panic is trough the roof .keep focusing your mind on something else . your tests will come back fine but there's no harm entertaining yourself ,it will be diagnosed as health anxiety but I know all of this is a very real feeling . the first year my eyes would go blurry and scary sometimes ,all to do with the meds and withdrawl ,keep the mantra of this is withdrawl ,im in the throws today myself of a nasty wave and constantly changing the channel in my head . Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 dear altostrata, i just read your post about adrenals causing indirectly emotional anaestesia. I do really feel and think that my anhedonia (which is severe) is similar to dissociation and thus safes me from too intense emotions (not only anxiety) grossly overpowered by 120 mg cymbalta and co. over years although it feels like the opposite - a painful void of emotions, being not only disconnected but really void. But how do I get them back in bearable proportion if even listening to music or simple movements are too much for me? I feel this painful void and I can only imagine that my body/mind is actively creating It every day again and again to save me from hyperarousel (and too intense emotions). I have the notion that feelings will never come back in bearable proportion but as bouts of unconscious anxiety and unbearable arousel. I can really sense how „I don‘t wan‘t to have them“ because my body says they are too intense. Dp works similar and I have bad dp 24/7 for a year now. i have the idea my body is going to continue shutting/saving me from having emotions because he is still in cymbaltamode and Saying I am not ready for it, too intense. There is definitely no quick fix to this. Besides I think I got the (very unusual) diagnosis of emotionally unstable personality disorder at the age of 44 and, yes, i started dissociating all of a sudden at 44 two years ago. I was on cymbalta at that time! Now I see the connection between the strange diagnosis and the grossly overpowered snri. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 16 days since last cut of quetiapine 1 month and 2 weeks after last cut mirtazapine 69 days since cutting levomepromazine to zero 9 months since ct cymbalta and promethazine 1. Jan 211,5 mg quetiapine 9 pm. airhunger, uneasy, can close eyes (Which I couldn’t during the day) no broken sleep (as before) 2. jan 211,5 quetiapine 5:30 am. woke, arousel, 6:30 am extreme hyperarousel 7:30 pm. 50 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, Vitamine d meat, cucumber, oats, hempprotein 8:30 am. arousel little better, sore throat, diarrhea 9:15 am Heartracing, arousel worse, mental akathisia worse and all day, all day mildly sick, depressed 10:40 am. arousel much better 11:30 am. Noni juice mild nausea, mild flue noon. chicken, potatoe, salad, vegetable 48 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate 1 pm. eyes very lightsensitive, severe feeling of uneasy, cannot go into shop (stress) 2 -4 pm chestburn, bad urge of jumping out of my body, extremely painful depression, like loosing my mind, akathisia 2:50 pm. Vitamine juice 150 mg magnesiumcitrate akathisia 4:45 pm emotionally blunt gets less painful, sweets brainfog all day 5:15 pm. severe hyperarousel until 5:50 5:30 pm. meat, oats, hempprotei cucumber, bread, cannot stand tv 6 pm. 54,5 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 6:30 pm. hyperarousel, akathisia, chestburn, heartracing sudden bad pressure on chest 7 pm. 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, arousel little better meat, puffpastry, sweets/chocolate 7:45 pm. all less stressing, better 8 pm. 16 mg mirtazapine heartpalpitations, earringing 9:30 pm. 59 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam compared to days before: All day physically very unwell, disconnected from everything outside numbed feelings, dp bad more akathisia (stronger, longer), fairly good appetite, extremely lightsensitive eyes (had to wear sunglasses in winter, many afterimages in the eye), diarrhea, brainfog and feeling mildly sick all day, debiliating sensation I cannot describe other than painful void and numbed arousel and urge to jump out of my body (extremely intense, like loosing my mind), painful depression (like I could have emotions but my body is numbing them painfully) no fatigue, no sedation, all day arousel and mild anxiety, had to pace during meals. cannot wash myself or change clothes for two weeks now but brush teeth and pace around the building, went into a shop which actually i could not bear (bad akathisia and void). But i managed to buy myself sunglasses with the help of another patient. A task mentally not bearable. I rushed through it with loads of stress and agitation and akathisia. Didn‘t buy anything since November when I bought the hempprotein. Attended all therapies today although I felt awful all the time. i am longing for good feelings and calmness and will to be able to read a book or watch tv or talk with friends. I miss this so much and feel I am very far away from it. I don‘t know how long i can bear this. i don‘t know what is going on and dearly hope I’m doing things right. Everything is incredibly „painful“ mentally from dusk till dawn. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Please, let this debiliating condition be withdrawl and selflimited at some time in the near future. Every day I tell myself it cannot get worse. Yet it can. only thinking this could be withdrawl helps me through these months and years of pure hell. I have developed very lightsensitive eyes today that I am blinded by any light touching my eyes. It is really bad. I had that some weeks ago also. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
powerback Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tanha said: Please, let this debiliating condition be withdrawl it is withdrawl. 6 minutes ago, Tanha said: I have developed very lightsensitive eyes today that I am blinded by any light touching my eyes. It is really bad. get into the dark and wait it out ,wear tinted glasses if necessary . I was stuck in an airport in September for 10 hours and I made sure when night time approached I had my tinted shades on because of the bright lights. Alcohol free since February 2015 1MG diazepam 4.5MG PROZAC. Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, powerback said: it is withdrawl. get into the dark and wait it out ,wear tinted glasses if necessary . I was stuck in an airport in September for 10 hours and I made sure when night time approached I had my tinted shades on because of the bright lights. Thanx powerback. i wear sunglasses now in winter in Germany. But lights indoors are also difficult. I won‘t wear sunglasses indoors, though. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 2, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Tanha said: But lights indoors are also difficult. I won‘t wear sunglasses indoors, though. I wear blue light gaming glasses when I'm inside and the lights are too bright. light-sensitive-try-blocking-out-blue-light * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 2, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Tanha said: 16 days since last cut of quetiapine 1 month and 2 weeks after last cut mirtazapine 69 days since cutting levomepromazine to zero 9 months since ct cymbalta and promethazine ^ Please update the information about quetiapine -- you just made a reduction, didn't you? Please put in the date of your last dosage change. Your symptom pattern continues to show an adverse reaction after you take diazepam and Seroquel, but it seems it might go away sooner. When do you take the mystery pill? What is it? You need to tell the staff you have developed sensitivity to light, and you'd like to wear dark glasses in the brightness. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Altostrata said: ^ Please update the information about quetiapine -- you just made a reduction, didn't you? Please put in the date of your last dosage change. Your symptom pattern continues to show an adverse reaction after you take diazepam and Seroquel, but it seems it might go away sooner. When do you take the mystery pill? What is it? You need to tell the staff you have developed sensitivity to light, and you'd like to wear dark glasses in the brightness. I am afraid to tell the staff about my lightsensitivity because then they take away the quetiapine all at once and switch to something else. that is what usually happens and then I cannot taper quetiapine anymore. why should I tell them? I have an appointment with the optometrist. He is not good but will measure my eyepressure. should i ask him anything? the mystery pill has not been mentioned again for weeks. I think doctors don‘t want to give it to me anymore. I do not dare to ask. I am not taking a mystery pill at the Moment or soon. They don‘t tell me the name. Why are you asking for it? Must i bring up this topic with the doctors? They said it is part of the treatment that I don‘t know it and that they won‘t change their mind. 2. Jan 8:45 pm pressure on chest, hot, airhunger, sore throat 9 pm. fast heartrate 10:25 pm. airhunger, restless legs a a little, pressure on chest, bad rumination, heartracing broken sleep 3. Jan 5. am. woke 6:30 am. bad hyperarousel for long, but also sedated, anxiety, What do you think about this terrible morning hyperarousel and the one at around 5 pm the last days? It is too intense. I had this for months until we updose did quetiapine 200 to 400 mg and diazepam 4 to 7,5 mg, now I am at 5 mg. What do you think of sore throat and permanently feeling fluelike sick and this new bad feeling of anhedonia and disconnectedness? Distraction is what I try but virtually impossible. I am burning up inside by the one or another terrible condition. i am in such a severe condition. I am biting through every minute of the day. I don‘t have a chance to relax a minute throughout the day. As I said I used to have small windows but not anymore. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I saw yellow special glasses helping against reflections in the shop. Is that what you mean by amber tinted? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 3, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 3, 2019 These at the ones I have. I wear prescription glasses so had to buy over glasses. They don't have to be the really dark or bright yellow coloured ones. They call them by different names - blue light blocking, anti blue light, gaming, computer * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I don‘t know how to survive this agony. What is this permanent sick feeling I have all day? I am in the darkest place. Every single movement is a hellish effort. Brain and body don’t want to move. is withdrawl but a dream? It doesn’t feel that I am going to cope with these symptoms. Feeling fluelike sick, void and in hyperarousel and anxiety, akathisia and darkest depression is nothing one can survive. I feel obsessed to jump out of my skin/body all the time. nothing I can do. Everything is way too much. Virtually everything. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I just had a one hour window. I am not easy with it in that it is so unstable. It sends me into shock mode. I could use the window to connect with normal feelings but my anxiety and arousel is too high to really be able to do it. Yet i notice that distraction is possible. Not fully but only for seconds at a time. This is too much to cope with. Almost no dp for half an hour and this is too much. I am in dp since dec 2017 24/7 and do not cope with being myself for only 25 minutes. 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Dear @Shep dear @JanCarol dear @Carmie i did a huge mistake i told my doctor about this forum. Now they can easily find out about my posts in which I say that I do not take drugs as being prescribed. They will throw me out of hospital if they read my daily dosages in the posts. I guess it would not help to change my name because The posts show exactly who i am. i am so silly. I cannot believe I did this. everybody can read my posts, right? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Hyperarousel is going through the roof for hours now. hasn‘t been that bad since my diazepamwithdrawl in June/July. It scares me that the hyperarousel gets more and more and longer during the last weeks. this is a very bad sign. I never had such long hyperarousel since my darkest hours in diazepam withdrawl in July. And back then i could not live with this. I endured it for more than three months without updosing meds (on 200 mg quetiapine and 3,5 mg diazepam and 30 mg Mirtazapin.). I really fought hard and did surrender to more medicated sedation only because i became suicidal. I don‘t want to do this again.! i had the hope that reducing Mirtazapin to 15 mg makes these looong arousel go away. But it didn’t as I can say now. It is definitely no normal arousel. It is bad hyperarousel, very painful, very long during the day. I guess it is still the cymbalta ct and all the subsequent cuts of medications that cause an underlying persistent condition of hyperarousel. Like a damage of the stressregulation system of my body. I did 10 minutes of mild running at 1pm and my body cannot calm down until 2:30 Pm. Still on 110 although I am in bed since 1:30 pm. This is autonomous (neurophatic) disregulation!? meditation and other calming procedures except pacing are not possible due to akathisia. boy am I afraid to get back into the state of June/July since I am getting close to the dosages then. I cannot say goodby to withdrawl and take meds again. I simply can‘t. This is too bad and too long. does anybody survive constant hyperarousel? 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
Tanha Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 days since last cut of quetiapine 1 month and 2 weeks after last cut mirtazapine 70 days since cutting levomepromazine to zero 9 months since ct cymbalta and promethazine and Wellbutrin 2. Jan 211,5 mg quetiapine 8:45 pm. pressure on chest, hot, airhunger, sore throat 9:20 pm. heartrate in bed 95 10:20 pm airhunger, bad pressure on chest, mild rls, bad rumination, Heartracing 3. jan 211,5 quetiapine 5:30 am. woke, arousel, 6 am extreme hyperarousel until 11:45 am, again all afternoon 7:30 pm. 50 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate, Vitamine d meat, cucumber, oats, hempprotein akathisia, unwell, disconnected, unbearable arousel 9 am. nature doesn‘t distract, depressed, exhausted, really unwell, bad akathisia 9:30 am chestburn, arousel milder, 10 am feeling terrible, mild flue painfully depressed, anhedonia, mental akathisia, exhausted, arousel and sedation thinking ob movement makes me sick, disconnected 10:40 am. less sick, void, arousel 11:30 am. Noni juice 11:45 am window: almost no dp, (a bit numb), all great noon. Meat, dumpling, vegetables 48 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 150 mg magnesiumcitrate 12:30 . bad hyperarousel, anxiety heartrate 110 1 pm bad hyperarousel, anxiety until 6 pm 2:30 pm. Vitamine juice 150 mg magnesiumcitrate Hyperarousel, anxiety 3:40 pm hyperarousel, anxiety, heartrate 120 in bed 4 pm. got very sad information 5 pm. no feelings, hyperarousel 5:30 pm. meat, oats, hempprotei cucumber, bread, 54,5 mg quetiapine 1,5 mg diazepam 6:30 pm. hyperarousel bearable but bad heartrate 95 in bed, pressure on chest, No feelings, earringing cannot Rest my mind at all 7 pm. 150 mg magnesiumcitrate 7:30 pm arousel strong, heartbeating 8 pm. 16 mg mirtazapine 9:30 pm. 59 mg quetiapine 1 mg diazepam compared to days before; persistent bad hyperarousel all day (only during acute diazepamwithdrawl this was similar), slightly faster heartrate during the day, heartrate didn‘t normalize after a very short run (four 2 hours almost the same) 1 hour window with everything being great bad anhedonia and no feelings most of the day, disconnected, exhausted, anxiety all day, almost no flue, no sore throat, physically more stable in the afternoon 2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine Link to comment
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