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I only now recall that i have been given zopiclone for some nights in February/March. Cannot remember how much. Less than three weeks.

i had bad anxiety in early morning from cymbalta ct. that was before the quetiapine. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I am so physically sick (burning inside, extremely sick, restless, weak), cannot distract myself with anything at allI cannot cope any longer. I am in deep constant pain all day.

Things seem to get worse and worse day by day.

i don‘t know if this is akathisia or hyperarousel or just restlessly burning inside. I can do nothing at all not even lying on a couch. 

I tighten my belly because I don‘t know what else to do to endure this symptom that I don‘t find words for.

 

the diazepamtaper used to feel like this.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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23. dec

 

5 am.           woke,

6 am.           Severe anxiety until 9 am 

7:30 am.     Meat, cucumber

                     Vitamin d, magnesium

                     50 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam

                     Lost weight again (muscles)

9 am.           burning skin, burning chest,

                     akathisia, muscleweakness,

                     sore throat, depressed,

                     no feelings all day     

                     hyperarousel,

                     Slight muscleweakness, 

                     impaired vision

9:30 am.     Skinburn and

                     Muscleweakness,

                     fluelike sickness

                     and akathisia worse, 

                     depression

10:20 am    less arousel, nausea,

                     severe sickness

11 am         Dizzy, feeling of low 

                    bloodpressure

                    fatigue, sore throat

                    brainfog

11am          noni juice

Noon.         Meat, pasta, tomatoesauce

                    Hempprotein,

                    fishoil

                    55 mg quetiapine

                    1,5 mg diazepam

12:35.         sickness better

1:30 pm     hyperarousel worse,  

                    akathisia,

                    skinburn worse,

                     heartpounding,

                    anhedoniapain, sore tummy,

                    slight nausea, dizzy,

                    Bad eyesighT

2:30 pm.     Vitamine juice

                    Magnesium

3 pm.          terrible burning inside, 

                    restless, no feelings, agony

                    Cannot do anything,

                     stiffening myself to endure

4:30 pm.     everything more bearable, 

5 pm.           Bad hyperarousel 

5:30 pm.     Meat, cabbage,

                     salad

                     Oats, 

                     Magnesium

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     62,5 mg Quetiapine,

                     Magnesium

6:50 pm.     Extreme depersonalization

                     arousel bearable, anxiety

                     chest burning, heart racing

7 pm.           hyperarousel real worse, 

                     anxiety, chest burning 

                      worse, mental akathisia,

                      fluelike sick (very unusual)

                      Fast heartbeat, sore throat

                      impaired vision, mild

                      nausea,

                      feels like I cannot control

                      neckmuscles but I can,

                      Muscletension around neck,

                      sound in ears, headpressure

8 pm.           16 mg mirtazapin, better

9:30 pm.      67,5 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam     

                     

compared to days before:

enduring arousel and fluelike sickness throughout most of the day, especially before lunch and at 5 pm (old pattern) and if mentioned above it increased, sickness worse than yesterday, akathisia, no feelings all day but sometimes anxiety, very bad depersonalization experience,

like yesterday it is new that it is bad after 7 pm (I used to be always much better after 7pm). Feels like slowly dying.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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24. dec

 

 

3am.        Woke, ruminate, blunted 

                  feelings, dp extreme, 

                  sore throat, bad flue like

                  sickness, depressed,

                  No hunger or appetite,

                  bad eyesight

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I cannot stop loosing weight. Need help with that, getting weaker and loosing muscles. 

 

At least one of my drugs is causing a reduction of muscles.

i have no appetite or hunger ever.

i eat relatively normal but cannot stop the weightloss which is mainly loosing muscles. I go for a walk daily and attend gymnastic therapy daily if I am able to. 

 

My body is very weak. 

I eat a lot of meat and cooked vegetables and force myself to eat oats and potatoes and fishoil. I take a lot of magnesium and colicalciferol/vitamin d in the morning.

 

I am in hospital and cannot chose my food. 

 

What else can I do?

getting weaker and weaker. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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dear @Altostrata

had a very severe situation at 6:40 pm today but no panic! very Special! 

 

24 dec

 

4:30 am.      Woke, ruminate

6 am.           Bad flue, sore throat

7 am.           Bad dp, diarrhea, severe

                     depression

7:30 am.     vegetable, apple

                     Hempprotein, oats

                     Vitamin d, magnesium

                     50 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam

8:30 am.     arousel, Bad dp, burning skin                            

                     distress,

                     no feelings,

                     impaired vision

9 am.          Less sick, more arousel

9:15 am.     akathisia and hyperarousel

                     worse

9:20 am.     airhunger, pressure on chest

10 am         fatigue, weakness, all too

                     much, slight problem to

                     swallow, slight nausea

                     feeling of Low bloodpressur

11am          arousel little better

                    tight belly muscle,

                    muscleweakness

11:30.         anxiety worse, less brainfog

Noon.         Salad, cabbage, potatoe

                    Hempprotein,

                    fishoil

                    55 mg quetiapine

                    1,5 mg diazepam

                     magnesium

                     hyperarousel worse, 

                     sickness better

12:50 pm    hyperarousel better,  

                    akathisia       

1:45 pm.     Hyperarousel worse,

                     bad eyesight     

                     heartpalpitations

2:30 pm.     Vitamine juice

                    Magnesium

3 pm.          sore throat,

                     Muscleweakness, 

                     anxiety, bearable arousel,

                     bad anhedonia 

5:30 pm.     Meat, cucumber,

                     oats, hempprotein,

                     Magnesium

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     62,5 mg Quetiapine,

6:40 pm.     sudden Extreme  

                     heartracing, 

                     extreme Dizzy, Heavy 

                     sweating, severe vertigo,

                     shaking badly, like fainting,

                     Most dramatic situation in

                     many months, no anxiety,

                     chest burning,

                     sore throat

7:20 pm.      Suddenly better but

                      still very dizzy.

                      slightly flue sick, 

                      impaired vision

8 pm.           16 mg mirtazapin, better

9:30 pm.      67,5 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam     

 

compared to last days:

symptoms at 7:20 pm were so severe like I had last time in May during worst lorazepam withdrawl. Scares me like hell. What is this? (The cymbalta ct in March is on my mind recently but could be caused by anything). 

slight muscleweakness all day. I continue to loose weight/muscles, arousel and anxiety all day barely bearable, sore throat worse,

dp and depression severe.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Emotional blunting and the most severe depression and Depersonalisation are getting worse day by day. This is not bearable. I fear that ct cymbalta in March and cutting mirtazapin (fast taper) by half since October has damaged me too much. Tardive anhedonia. 

This condition is unbearable and all the other symptoms are also worse. 

I don‘t think am gonna make this. 

I try very hard to survive every minute. I don‘t want to die or live like this. 

I am not functioning all. Cannot wash myself or eat.

 

i am also very frightened that I got a very much worse condition yesterday. I thought I am going to die. That I have never had before and it will be with me for longer.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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  • Mentor

It is so, so hard... so sorry you are going through this. I'm sorry any of us have had to. It does get better, hang on. Just making it one more minute, one more hour, one more day is progress and healing -- invisible -- is happening.

  • Prozac | late 2004-mid-2005 | CT WD in a couple months, mostly emotional
  • Sertraline 50-100mg | 11/2011-3/2014, 10/2014-3/2017
  • Sertraline fast taper March 2017, 4 weeks, OFF sertraline April 1, 2017
  • Quit alcohol May 20, 2017
  • Lifestyle changes: AA, kundalini yoga

 

"If you've seen a monster, even if it's horrible, that's evidence of divinity." – Damien Echols

 

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12 minutes ago, FarmGirlWorks said:

It is so, so hard... so sorry you are going through this. I'm sorry any of us have had to. It does get better, hang on. Just making it one more minute, one more hour, one more day is progress and healing -- invisible -- is happening.

Tank you

farmgirl. It is getting harder day by day. 

 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Time and patience!

 

merry christmas to everybody.

 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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i want to share with you a small but important accomplishment of mine:

 

I managed to go home for one night from psychiatry first time in 4 months. 

Was tough because I am really hospitalized after eight months in hospital.

physically I have gained more strength that I thought (last time I went home in August I didn‘t have enough muscles to sit. overall I am weaker now but can manage somehow better. So, fighting the terrible agony during the daily gymnastics here in hospital has been worth it. But I don‘t want to think of this therapy because every minute of it is hell if you are Dizzy, fluelike sick, almost fainting and have nausea.

My wife was very happy to be able to cook for two but in the morning she was exhausted because she is not used to see me being in pain and anxiety and restlessness all day. I really tried my best to behave as normal as possible but only the symptom of depersonalization was too scary I could not hide it from her.

 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Die 25 dec

 

5:30 am.      Woke

6 am.           severe anhedonia, emotional 

                     blunting and do all day,

                     tightened bellymuscle 

7:30 am.     cucumber, meat,

                     Hempprotein, oats

                     Vitamin d, magnesium

                     50 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam

9 am.           anxiety, weakness

10:10 am.    hyperarousel

                      feeling of low bloodpressur

                      Dizzy, pressure on chest, 

                      impaired vision, more

                      anxiety,

                      muscleweakness, severe 

                      fatigue, bad depression, dp,

                      no feelings all day

10:50 am.    Less arousel, Suddenly like

                      yesterday evening: like

                      fainting but not as bad,

                      pressure on chest, heat (no 

                      panic)

11:45 am.    fluelike sick (slightly)

                      feeling spaced out, dizzy

Noon.           meat, carrots, potatoe

                     Hempprotein,

                     fishoil

                     55 mg quetiapine

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     magnesium

12 pm         all better but dp and no

                     feelings, no interest 

12:30 pm.   hyperarousel worse,

                     Depression less painful

1:30 pm.     all better but no feelings

                     slight muscleweakness,

                     mental akathisia worse

                     severe fatigue, tired

1:55 pm.     hyperarousel and akathisia

                     worse, brainfog all day,

                     less painful depression

2:30 pm.     Vitamine juice

                     Magnesium

1:30 pm.     anxiety 

4 pm.           severe mental akathisia and

                     anhedonia, not connected 

                     with anything, no interest

4:20 pm.     utter despair, most severe

                     depression, empty, dizzy

5:30 pm.     Meat, cucumber,

                     oats, hempprotein,

                     Magnesium

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     62,5 mg Quetiapine,

6 pm.           anxiety, all better but no

                     other feelings

                     no interest

7 pm.           severe mental akathisia

                     severely depressed, 

                     impaired vision

8 pm.           16 mg mirtazapin, better

9:30 pm.      67,5 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam     

 

 

compared to previous days:

 

brainfog all day bad,

more mental akathisia, milder hyperarousel but all day, anxiety and most severe anhedonia all day, emotionally blunted, less fluelike sickness, only little burning skin, no interest at all, evening milder.

Again not functioning at all but longing for a life. I am feeling alienated from my skinny body. 

 

noticed that I drank less water today and yesterday.

 

i have problems with the dosages. I have a new scale and the weight is very different from the old one. might have measured differently during the last days (+- 5 to 8 mg of quetiapine). Only noticed that today. grrrrrr.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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It's nice that you were able to go home and spend some time with your wife out of the hospital.

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24 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

It's nice that you were able to go home and spend some time with your wife out of the hospital.

It was a really big thing for both of us and after all a small success yet in agony all the time. 

I have to accept this agony and anhedonia of becoming part of my life which I ran away from all these months. 

Seeing all the things I used to like doing at home worsenes my Depersonalisation. Sometimes I think being confronted with my old life is unbearable and I have to leave everything behind. I cannot relate to anything from this old life. So I tried to distract myself from it and ignoring friends and details of my home. It is very painful confronting this. But I have no other option. When I tried to visit home in summer it was similar. 

 

I have dp 24/7 since cymbaltareduction and updosing in December last year. The new medication helped me to ignore it. Yet I still want to get rid of them because I can only work properly on my dp once I get off medication. I know that from dp survivors. So sad that I can only taper slowly. 

 

In in order to work on the dp one needs to have feelings. I don‘t. I know this is due to withdrawl but I cannot wait to get rid of the severe depression/anhedonia.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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25. dec

 

10:35 pm.        Heartracing, bad 

                          hyperarousel, nausea,

                          like fainting, sore throat,

                          sick, very dizzy,

                          sweating

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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The pattern of middaysickness has changed extremely.

 

Since almost a week I feel terribly sick and have a very painful anhedonia all morning since waking up It is so bad I think I loose my mind.

nothing helps not even a bit. 

Sore throat, fluelike sick, nausea and real painful and strong anhedonia. dp and many other symptoms come with it. This condition is beyond anything bearable.

 

instead of getting bad around lunchtime it gets a little better but then hyperarousel is worse then and anxiety.

 

if this is going to be my wd normal I don‘t make it. 

 

I have another new bad condition, too. In the evening. So previous posts. 

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2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Dear @Altostrata

 

things are getting too tough. Anxiety through the roof, I loose all orientation, I don‘t know where I am, depression and dp most severe, utter despair

 

can I do anything to stop this worsening?

 

totally bedridden and hyperarousel

 

i loose all control over anything

i don‘t know how to find the toilet

cannot prepare my medication anymore brainfog

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I have had this new terrible symptom for the third time. 

 

sudden Heart Racing, feeling as if fainting, hot, dizzy, pressure on chest, burning chest, sudden bad weakness/fatigue, loosing my mind but no panic although the symptom is very frightening and severe.

 

It appeared first two times roughly 1,5 hours after taking quetiapine and diazepam (See notes, do not know if I recall this properly) and meals.

 

second time I was asleep already and it woke me up. had chocolate before.

 

today (now) it is starting just 10 or 15 minutes after taking the Medicationand having had lunch.

 

it is very interesting that this condition appears just after I felt great for a couple of minutes each time.

 

it could also have to do with food I think but don’t know how.  

 

The disorientation is slightly better. This is also a new terrible symptom. Anhedonia is the worst.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Thank you SA

 

i find so much support for „holding“

as this is the difficulty for me. 

 

It helps best if people describe how symptoms develop during holds 

as I have no experience with that long enough.

 

this „I need to know if long holds are worth it“ is so crucial for anybody in doubt if „not doing anything“ (holding) is doing any good.

 

many of us can understand how important holding and stabilizing is during wd but i read a lot in SA and sooooo many people are in doubtful ambivalence with holding because one is afraid of prolonging suffering. 

I know holding means prolonged suffering but also surviving wd at all for so many.

This information I cannot get anywhere else but SA! Thank you everybody.

 

the urge to do something if one feels bad for too long is really difficult to counteract with „holding“. 

 

Especially if if one is on multiple drugs 

and has sideeffects or paradoxical reactions. 

I really don‘t want to prolong this but I understand that there isn’t any other way than stabilizing - as painful as that may be.

 

i for example have to accept a „permanent“ wd-flue if I do the cut and hold properly. Also I have paradoxical reactions of one or more of my drugs and it is sooooooo tempting to rush through that - and doctors tend to be supportive with that (getting rid of the med in order to get rid of paradoxical reactions or sideeffects). But that is not how it works. 

 

I am so desperate with all my debilitating symptoms and staying on the drugs for more years to survive a slow taper. 

That is when SA-case-reports are so vital!

 

i Hope for the best (still being in psychiatry). Today is a particularly difficult day since new symptoms showed up. I am almost out of my mind. How am I going to endure this?!

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I am so afraid that this terrible flue last longer than a couple of weeks lol a prolongedwithdrawl syndrome. 

It is extremely debilitating. 

I ct and tapered many medications too fast during this year and since May I cannot imagen being Once single day without most severe physical and mental symptoms like this wd flue. 

I feel so sick all the time which is why iam still in hospital. It is more I can take. 

 

Any my supportive ideas?

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I am very afraid of every single day to come. Every single day is pure hell.

 

after fighting through a very ruff day almost being bedridden and really loosing my mind 

now i have to deal with the long persistent pattern of 5 pm hyperarousel. It doesn‘t go away today and is very intense. I cannot do anything in this  Tried to walk it away but got intense. burning my veins.

 

i am so afraid of this pattern because it is the longest enduring pattern for most of this year. It is really debilitating. 

I fear that this is an underlying „sickness“ which has only been covered by my heavy medication. I think the same about sleep: I fear that the cymbalta ct (120 mg to 0 mg in one week forced upon me in hospital) causes a bad enduring agitation and bad sleep. 

 

 

I know I made many mistakes.

yet

I have no other choice but to hold from my last cut for longer and hope that this old enduring hyperarousel-pattern gets less. But since it is with me for such a long time I am afraid that it stays. It shows that I have no functioning autonomous stressregualtion any more. Makes me very afraid cause meds do this to you big time. 

 

The same with the debilitating flue almost every single day. And i mean agonizing flue that makes you too sick to do anything. Yet I force myself.

 

i am so sick of sitting in bed or forcing me doing things in pure agony while enduring the worst of symptoms every single day since December last year. 

I lost touch with everything, my dp, anhedonia, akathisia and emotional anasthesia are so bad that i don‘t want to live through this any longer. Holding in this situation is the most difficult task I could ever have imagined. But there is simply nothing else I can do but fighting anxiety and agony as best as I can. I force myself to walk outside, to eat and drink and to stop ruminating about my lost life. Iam 46 and at the moment loosing my job which I loved. I have no feelings but anxiety and sometimes despair. 

I am weak and exhausted.

how does everybody else deal with such bad hyperarousel, wd-flue and emotional anasthesia?

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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25. dec (Night)

 

10:35 pm.        while asleep: sudden

                          Heartracing, bad 

                          hyperarousel, nausea,

                          like fainting, sore throat,

                          sick, very dizzy,

                          sweating

                          ate two eggs

 

 

26 dec

 

5 am.           woke

6 am.           severe anhedonia,

                     emotional blunting

                     all day,

                     fluelike sick, restless,

                     sore throat,

                     unbearable situation 

7:30 am.     cucumber, meat,

                     Hempprotein, oats

                     Vitamin d, magnesium

                     50 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam

                      (101/65) bloodpressure

8:30 am.      dry mouth, arousel worse

                      desperate thoughts, 

                      severe depression, 

                      bellymuscles tighten

9 am.            slight swallowing problems

                      dizzy, dp Bad, like fainting

                      airhunger, pressure on

                      chest, impaired vision

9:30 am.      panic, utter despair, anxiety 

                     through the roof, total loss

                     of orientation

11 am.         Noni juice

Noon.           better

                     chicken, vegetables, potatoe

                     Hempprotein,

                     fishoil

                     55 mg quetiapine

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     magnesium

12:10 pm    suddenly

                     Like fainting, heart racing

                     Heat, hyperarousel,

                     pressure on chest, dizzy,

                     Intense fatigue, no panic

13 pm.         terrible fatigue, worse

                     mental akathisia, dizzy

                     really sick, impaired vision

1:30 pm.     all better but no feelings

                     slight muscleweakness,

                     mental akathisia worse

                     severe fatigue, tired

2:30 pm.     Vitamine juice

                     Magnesium

1:30 pm.     anxiety 

3 pm.           hyperarousel better, brainfog  

                     all day, impaired vision,

                     less painful depression

4:20 pm.     flue better, anxiety

5:20 to 8 pm hyperarousel through the   

                     roof, unbearable

5:30 pm.     salami, cucumber

                     oats, hempprotein,

                     Magnesium

                     1,5 mg diazepam

                     62,5 mg Quetiapine,

6 pm.           anxiety, all better but no

                     other feelings

                     no interest

7 pm.           severely depressed, 

                     impaired vision

                     sore throat

8 pm.           16 mg mirtazapin,

                      arousel only little better

                      heart beating, little dizzy,

                      anxiety, sick, sore throat

                      chicken

9:30 pm.      67,5 mg quetiapine     

                     1 mg diazepam     

                      always eat two eggs since 

                      summer.

 

 

compared to previous days:

 

Since a week or so the worst time of day is not around noon anymore but severe anhedonia during morning and bad hyperarousel around 4:30 pm. 

The morning used to be good until 10.

and the evenings were better after taking Mirtazapin. This has changed the last days.

 

Most severe anhedonia in the morning,

severe depression after that,

 

new symptom: total loss of orientation (had to get help to find the toilet), 

 

new pattern again at different time: (always after feeling great for a couple of minutes!):

                     suddenly very intense

                     Like fainting, heart racing

                     Heat, hyperarousel,

                     pressure on chest, dizzy,

                     bad fatigue, no panic,

brainfog all day bad,

sore throat all day,

flu worse today but no nausea,

mental akathisia, unbearable hyperarousel 5-8 pm (old persistent pattern), lots of anxiety, bedridden most of the day

 

 

if the mood is better then I want to do things but cannot make my body doing so. Thought this was due to anxiety but it is a symptom in itself.

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2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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You've overdrugged yourself. Have you made any changes in your drugs in the last week? Please summarize them in a couple of lines.

 

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Ich 27 dec

 

 

5 am.        woke, swallowing problems,

                  sore throat, sick

                  airhunger, diaahrrea 

7 am.        fatigue, anxiety, despair

8 am.        arousel, can not make my 

                  body do anything. Fatigue, No

                  musclecontrol-feeling,

                  no will/interest. bedridden.  

                  cannot eat or wash myself

 

Dear @Altostrata

Thank you for your reply. 

 

i didn‘t change anything with the drugs for ten days now. I understood that i have to hold to stabilize for some time now?

 

please, doctors forced me to take all the meds during crisis in August. I didn‘t overdrug myself. I was constantly tapering them too fast ever since with only one crisis updose two weeks ago.

I have been coming down from 400 mg quetiapine and 15 mg diazepam. (Couldn’t’t cope with immense hyperarousel and total insomnia then). Tapered too fast too many meds since.

 

i have problems with the scale. Have a new one. Might measure slightly incorrect (variation of 5 mg quetiapine during the day I guess)

I cut 100 mg pill quetiapine (weight on scale around 0,35 g) in small pieces of variying sizes four times a day. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Dear @Altostrata

 

SA is my last hope. I am very sick.

 

Holding my dose is what i can do now, right?. Never did hold long enough. I hope that this will help. I am totally bedridden sick and severely depressed.

things are getting worse day by day though. 

 

Hope my method of weighting quetiapine is consistent. I wonder how much air and hand humidity change the weight of the pills which I cut into very small crumbs, some bigger. 

 

 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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I am on SA to get a sensible order into my so far chaotic withdrawals. I know this isn‘t done over night. Please stay with me for a while and help me finding a way to have a structured approach to my polypharmacy withdrawl the next years.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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5 hours ago, Tanha said:

Ich 27 dec

 

 

5 am.        woke, swallowing problems,

                  sore throat, sick

                  airhunger, diaahrrea 

7 am.        fatigue, anxiety, despair

8 am.        arousel, can not make my 

                  body do anything. Fatigue, No

                  musclecontrol-feeling,

                  no will/interest. bedridden.  

                  cannot eat or wash myself

 

Dear @Altostrata

Thank you for your reply. 

 

i didn‘t change anything with the drugs for ten days now. I understood that i have to hold to stabilize for some time now?

 

please, doctors forced me to take all the meds during crisis in August. I didn‘t overdrug myself. I was constantly tapering them too fast ever since with only one crisis updose two weeks ago.

I have been coming down from 400 mg quetiapine and 15 mg diazepam. (Couldn’t’t cope with immense hyperarousel and total insomnia then). Tapered too fast too many meds since.

 

i have problems with the scale. Have a new one. Might measure slightly incorrect (variation of 5 mg quetiapine during the day I guess)

I cut 100 mg pill quetiapine (weight on scale around 0,35 g) in small pieces of variying sizes four times a day. 

If you believe you have a problem with your scale ,you will need to calibrate the scale .

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Tanha said:

. I wonder how much air and hand humidity change the weight o

Be very careful here of over thinking it ,don't paralyse yourself with over thinking ,I have before myself .

Keep on your healing path .

Stay safe  

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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Quetiapine/seroquel is really evil. 

And once on it one has to taper soooo slowly. 

I cannot believe being on this drug for years just because I cannot taper I fast (I tried, been there, failed). 

 

But i guess that is how it is.

i am so afraid of these drugs all the time. 

 

I also take Valium which I failed to cut even a tiny bit. My hyperarousel goes through the roof. 

And of course I am also stuck in a ad which does nothing good for my depression.

 

please, never ever start these drugs. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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40 minutes ago, powerback said:

Be very careful here of over thinking it ,don't paralyse yourself with over thinking ,I have before myself .

Keep on your healing path .

Stay safe  

Thank you, powerback.

 

i am paralyzed anyway because I have terrible anhedonia and emotional blunting from drugs and wd. 

 

I calibrate the scale often. Thanx for the idea.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Hey Tanha - 

On 12/21/2018 at 4:44 PM, Tanha said:

Eyesight and accommodation of the eye worse

 

What do you mean?  Have you seen an ophthalmologist?  Have you been checked for cataracts, eye pressure, etc.?  Is this blurry vision, difficulty focusing?  What?

 

On 12/22/2018 at 1:04 AM, Tanha said:

Any idea how when to take quetiapine and diazepam? 

 

I don't know.  I would like to see about 2 hours between these.  You probably don't need to take the diazepam more than 2x per day.   Is your quetiapine immediate release or Extended release (often indicated by an SR - sustained release - or XR designation)?   If you are crumbling your tablets, they are immediate release.   

So - quetiapine 4x a day, preferably spaced 6 hours apart.   It is 10 hours between your nighttime dose of quetiapine and your morning one.  Can you move that back to when you first get up?  It's hard to space 6 hours and still sleep, but perhaps taking it earlier will give you a break from the morning shocking wakeup.  It may be withdrawal from your nighttime dose.

 

Diazepam 2x per day, taken 2 hours away from the quetiapine.

That could be your first change.  Do that for a month, and see if you are better.

What is your plan to get out of the hospital?  It sounds like you do not want to get out.  Do you have family to help you if you got out?  Do you have an apartment or home to go to?

On 12/22/2018 at 1:50 AM, Tanha said:

I take magnesium glyzinate.

 

Brilliant.  How much?  I see 4 doses a day - is that 800 mg?  (4x200 mg)

 

How much Vitamin D do you take?  

 

On 12/22/2018 at 1:50 AM, Tanha said:

how are you doing these days?

 

Thank you! 

I'm doing very well, nearly 3 years out from my last dose.  I still sleep weird.  I still get strong feelings of sadness and hopelessness - but - they are only feelings.  I don't need to pay much attention to them.  Just say to myself, "Oh, that's a feeling of sadness - I wonder what it's about?"  sometimes I get an answer, sometimes I don't.  I have been living out in the Real World for the first time in nearly 20 years.  It's terrifying - but - exhilirating - to commit myself and say, "YES I WILL DO THAT" and then do it.  I achieved a black belt this month because of that newfound openness to experience.  

 

On 12/23/2018 at 4:36 PM, Tanha said:

i am just afraid of the diazepam, too.

I cannot Imagen not to have interdosewithdrawl.

 

Diazepam has a half-life of anywhere from 20-200 hours (depending on how you count the metabolites produced, and depending on your own metabolism).

You are dosing 4x a day.  This is unlikely to be interdose withdrawal.  I'm not a benzo expert, but your dose is fairly low.  

It feels to me like your symptoms are largely from Cymbalta cold turkey.  How long were you on Cymbalta?  Reinstatement is an outside bet - it's been 9 months since that CT, which is really a long shot.

How long has this been going on?  Have you been drugged since you were a teenager?  Have your drugs been changed a lot?

 

Do you have a plan for getting out of the hospital? 

 

On 12/25/2018 at 12:00 AM, Tanha said:

I am in hospital and cannot chose my food.

 

Does your wife come and see you?  We had a member who lived on croissants for awhile to keep her weight up during the hardest part (akathisia), perhaps your wife can bring you yummy treats to help you keep your weight up?

On 12/25/2018 at 4:53 PM, Tanha said:

Tardive anhedonia.

 

This may be a blessing.  I was just reading in Best of SA a post from Brassmonkey about how anhedonia protects us from extremes.  Extreme sensitivity to temperature, emotions, bodily sensations - when we are in anhedonia, all of this is blunted.  We want to feel again, but our system is protecting us from the worst.

Please - people are starting to go off your thread.  While I hate to tell someone how to think and speak - you will get more support if you focus on the positive, about what you can do.

You can change the times of your morning quetiapine, and take your diazepam 2x a day, spaced out evenly (and apart from the quetiapine).  You can get your wife to bring you something yummy that you can't get in hospital.  You can find ways to appreciate your animal therapy, the forest bathing, the tiniest opportunities you have to help yourself get better. 

 

You are breathing, and that means there is more right with you than wrong with you in this moment.  (Jon Kabat-Zinn)

Instead of posting your fears - let's hear about your wife.  Or do you have a pet at home waiting for you?  Or did you see a bird in the forest - or a flower in the garden?  Did someone smile at you today?  I know, this reeks of CBT and "postive thinking," but if you're going to survive this, you need something to hold onto.

 

That something cannot be me, or any of the other members or moderators.  Only you can do it.  We're here to listen and help if we can - but we are disembodied voices on the internet.  We cannot hug you, or gaze into your eyes, or share the sounds of voices with you.  So you need to find those hugs, that eye contact, those voices in your life.

 

7 hours ago, Tanha said:

i didn‘t change anything with the drugs for ten days now.

 

This is a good start!  I'd like to see another 20 days before you change up your drug times.  It takes 3 weeks for neurotransmitters to adjust (that's why we taper monthly), so you may start seeing tiny windows.

 

But they will be so tiny at first that you will miss them unless you pay attention!  Look for those tiny windows, little glimpses of the sky.  You can get through this, but only you can do it.

 

I hope you see the sun today!

"Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna

 

Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again.

 

My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices.

 

A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia.   CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013.   Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine).     Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 -  Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years  on Lithium).  Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made.


The tedious thread (my intro):  JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium

The happy thread (my success story):  JanCarol - Undiagnosed  Off all bipolar drugs

My own blog:  https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/

 

 

I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016!

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I looove Jane Austen but cannot read it because of brainfog and anhedonia. I tried so often so hard. It breaks my heart. 

 

I have the severe fluelike state since two months now. It makes life almost impossible.

 

Taking quetiapine and diazepam apart from each other is difficult. I do a lot of mistakes due to brainfog already. 

The doctors said it is vital to take diazepam 4 times a day against interdosewithdrawl. I am very insecure of changing anything at the moment.

 

on the other side: 

if this helps to find out what causes my paradoxical reaction it is worth a try. 

 

I take the normal quetiapine, no extended release version.

 

Dear @JanCarol

 

thanx for your load of information and ideas.

 

i went home on dec 23 over night. It was my first visit home since 4 months. 

It was hard because I feel so fluelike sick all the time and dp and severe anhedonia gave me the feeling that I am alien to myself and so to my home. Anxiety with it.

yet I do it again now coming weekend to give my brain more than being hospitalized. 

I try to go home no matter how sick I am but I cannot do much at home. I am in real agony all the time. 

 

Writing about my cats without any feelings is rather painful. 

I really hope that a stable dose now improves this terrible state I am in 

and then i‘d Love to write about cats and home and a lot else. 

I used to be a very curious person. Non of it is left at the moment. 

I think it is normal that with severe fluelike symptoms I do not feel like much. 

 

It is hard times right now and my task is to remain safe and hope for improvement.

 

sorry to sound discouraging.

I would love meditation but akathisia and flue make even the walking-meditation almost impossible. Yet I do it no matter what.

 

My visual problem is I cannot focus all of a sudden. It is not blurry, more like doublevision. Some time during the day it gets worse.

I go to see a doctor about that in January. He is not very good though but eyepressure he can Measure.

 

I live with depression since puberty and 

could have a normal life. 

i started ad‘s 9 years ago, sertraline, venlafaxine, cymbalta (3 years 120 mg). 

They helped with ruminating but not else. I had trouble to sleep because of rumination. I was unhappy at that time about having moved towns.

 

My my emotions got more and more unstable the last three years. I started dissociation but not dp.

I started a too fast taper in autumn last year (had my first Panikattacke ever) and updosing to full dose in November. All this didn‘t help worsening depression or caused it. Got married in October and stayed most of the party in bed due to 

Too much stress.

in December suddenly my dp started 24/7 since Then.

 

in feb/March I started being in hospital because hyperarousel started and in order to change my ad to Wellbutrin/bupropion (only for five weeks), then to mirtazapin. 

To stabilize me docs put me on lorazepam and quetiapine. 

When i cut lorazepam after fast taper (took it less than two months, also some days zopiclone) to 0 mg 

i got bedridden because of severe withdrawl (fluelike, then akathisia extremely bad, being out of my mind). 

Switch to diazepam didn‘t help.

 

in hospital we started to cut 3,5 mg diazepam by 0,5 mg and hyperarousel and insomnia went through the roof. I freaked out. 

Updose diazepam to 4 mg didn‘t help. I never slept a minute since. In fact after putting me on 1 mg lorazepam once and back to 4 and then 15 mg diazepam didn‘t help at all. 

After getting again from lorazepam back to diazepam I could not close my eyes one seconds for many days, not at night, never and I had to lie with my legs elevated because I felt like fainting and vertigo nonstop. I went crazy that June/July. Doc had just put me up to 45 mg mirtazapin which made akathisia worse. I could not walk into the hospital I was crawling!. Severe pain.

They upped me from 200 to 400 mg quetiapine and 50 mg levomepromazine. This helped. Since then I tapered all these meds all the Time chaotically although I knew of 10% rules. 

My bloodpressure was and is very low that I had to stabilize it by keeping me in constant withdrawl. Silly. 

My hyperarousel has gotten a lot worse since reducing my meds and akathisia and anhedonia also. The flue started about two months ago. Sorry again, but this is hell. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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27 minutes ago, Tanha said:

I looove Jane Austen but cannot read it because of brainfog and anhedonia. I tried so often so hard. It breaks my heart. 

  Have you thought of Audio books ,close the eyes and listen ,when I'm bad I like to listen to documentaries under the covers .

 

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dear @powerback

good idea

closing eyes is a Problem. I panic. 

I cannot even listen to music.

brainfog and akathisia.

 

i‘d love To read or hear Jane Austen 

miss it all so much.

this fluelike state is really bad, same the anhedonia. I go for walks in nature if possible. 

watching tv is not possible. I get totally stressed but I try it again and again if one day ...

My my wife used to read to me. We both loved that a lot. 

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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Just now, Tanha said:

dear @powerback

good idea

closing eyes is a Problem. I panic. 

I cannot even listen to music.

 

i‘d love To read or hear Jane Austen 

miss it all so much.

this fluelike state is really bad, same the anhedonia. I go for walks in nature if possible. 

 

My my wife used to read to me. We both loved that a lot. 

Itl come back to you some day ,ive had severe noise sensitivity on and off  for more than 2 years .

Love my nature walks also ,they've stopped the last 6 months during my sickest. External health issues have exacerbated my situation hugely .

Take care.

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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I dearly hope that holding doses for a while will make the terrible flue go away. 

I hope anhedonia lessens soon.

2010-2018 sertralin, venlafaxin, cymbalta 120 mg, march bupropio, Lorazepam 4 to 0,5 mg qetiapine 200-400 mg Apr mirtazapin 30 - 45 mg, lo tapered, to 0; Apr switch to diazepam 3 mg; jun/jul 15mg, taper to approx. 4,5 mg, Aug: 200 to 400 mg q, 50 mg levomepromazine, m 45 to 30 mg; since tapered q 400-230 mg, m 30 to 15 mg, 1dez m to 16 mg, 4dez 250 mg q, 31. dec 200 mg q

March 1, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,5 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 3, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,0 mg diazepam, 16 mg mirtazapine

March 4, 2019 - 200 mg quetiapine, 4,2 mg diazepam,16 mg mirtazapine, 

june 5, 2019 - 100 mg quetiapine, 3 mg Diazepam, 12,185 mg mirtazapine 

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