Administrator Altostrata Posted December 29, 2018 Administrator Share Posted December 29, 2018 Clomipramine is an older tricyclic antidepressant like amitriptyline and nortriptyline. It is a chemical derivative or analog of another TCA, imipramine. Of the TCAs, imipramine and clomipramine are the most potent serotonin reuptake inhibitors. About clomipramine, from official US FDA information at dailymed.nlm.nih.gov: Quote Initial Treatment/Dose Adjustment (Adults) Treatment with clomipramine HCl capsules, USP should be initiated at a dosage of 25 mg daily and gradually increased, as tolerated, to approximately 100 mg during the first 2 weeks. During initial titration, clomipramine HCl capsules, USP should be given in divided doses with meals to reduce gastrointestinal side effects. Thereafter, the dosage may be increased gradually over the next several weeks, up to a maximum of 250 mg daily. After titration, the total daily dose may be given once daily at bedtime to minimize daytime sedation. Initial Treatment/Dose Adjustment (Adults) Treatment with clomipramine HCl capsules, USP should be initiated at a dosage of 25 mg daily and gradually increased, as tolerated, to approximately 100 mg during the first 2 weeks. During initial titration, clomipramine HCl capsules, USP should be given in divided doses with meals to reduce gastrointestinal side effects. Thereafter, the dosage may be increased gradually over the next several weeks, up to a maximum of 250 mg daily. After titration, the total daily dose may be given once daily at bedtime to minimize daytime sedation. .... Withdrawal Symptoms A variety of withdrawal symptoms have been reported in association with abrupt discontinuation of clomipramine HCl, including dizziness, nausea, vomiting, headache, malaise, sleep disturbance, hyperthermia, and irritability. In addition, such patients may experience a worsening of psychiatric status. While the withdrawal effects of clomipramine HCl have not been systematically evaluated in controlled trials, they are well known with closely related tricyclic antidepressants, and it is recommended that the dosage be tapered gradually and the patient monitored carefully during discontinuation. Clomipramine is metabolized via liver enzymes P450 CYP2D6 and 3A4 (it is a CYP1A2 inhibitor) ; it may conflict with other drugs utilizing those liver enzymes. With its active metabolite, desmethylclomipramine (DMI) or norclomipramine, clomipramine has a long half-life of about 54-77 hours. From US FDA information at https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=b1739aa5-69d8-4a69-be58-6d789ea2a516 Quote Because both CMI and its active metabolite, DMI, have long elimination half-lives, the prescriber should take into consideration the fact that steady-state plasma levels may not be achieved until 2 to 3 weeks after dosage change.... Therefore, after initial titration, it may be appropriate to wait 2 to 3 weeks between further dosage adjustments. Brand-name Anafranil and generic clomipramine are supplied in 25 mg, 50 mg, 75 mg capsules. Generics may also be available in 10mg, 25mg, 50mg tablets. Clomipramine is freely soluble in water. Reduce by 10% per month to start The 10% rule holds for clomipramine, just like other psychiatric drugs: Reduce by 10% per month, calculated on the last dosage. (The amount of the reduction gets progressively smaller.) See Why taper by 10% of my dosage? Use a combination of clomipramine dosages to taper If you are taking, for example, 150mg, you may wish to get 50mg of your prescription in 10mg tablets (if available). This will enable you to decrease by 10mg at a time. (To justify a prescription comprised of various dosage capsules or tablets for insurance coverage, your doctor may need to indicate split dosing -- taking the drug more than once a day.) When you are down to 100mg, you may wish to have your prescription filled with 50mg capsules or tablets plus 10mg tablets and carefully split the tablets until you are down to 50mg. The smallest decrease you can make with available tablet sizes would be 2.5mg -- 1/4 of a 10mg tablet. Accurately cutting a tablet into quarters can be difficult. When you need to make a decrease smaller than 5mg (half a 10mg tablet), you may wish to to cut up tablets, weigh the powder (from the capsules), get a prescription for the liquid, or make a liquid to continue a 10% taper. At 50mg and lower, you may wish to combine whole 25mg capsules or tablets with partial tablets or powder from the capsule weighed for accuracy, or a liquid to fill out the rest of your daily dose. Use a digital scale to weigh tablet fragments or powder For small amounts of the drug, weighing tablet fragments or powder from the If you wish to weigh the powder, see Using a digital scale to measure doses You will probably find using a liquid to be much more convenient when tapering by amounts smaller than 10mg. Make a clomipramine liquid yourself from tablets or capsules Clomipramine is soluble in water. See How to make a liquid from tablets or capsules Use an oral syringe to precisely measure out doses as small as .01mg. Have a compounding pharmacy make custom capsules or a liquidCompounding pharmacies can make capsules with custom dosages or a liquid from the powder. You will need a prescription written for any compounding. 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Estman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 12/29/2018 at 9:23 PM, Altostrata said: Clomipramine is an older tricyclic antidepressant like amitriptyline and nortriptyline. It is a chemical derivative or analog of another TCA, imipramine. Of the TCAs, imipramine and clomipramine are the most potent serotonin reuptake inhibitors. About clomipramine, from official US FDA information at dailymed.nlm.nih.gov: Clomipramine is metabolized via liver enzymes P450 CYP2D6 and 3A4 (it is a CYP1A2 inhibitor) ; it may conflict with other drugs utilizing those liver enzymes. With its active metabolite, desmethylclomipramine (DMI) or norclomipramine, clomipramine has a long half-life of about 54-77 hours. From US FDA information at https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=b1739aa5-69d8-4a69-be58-6d789ea2a516 Brand-name Anafranil and generic clomipramine are supplied in 25 mg, 50 mg, 75 mg capsules. Generics may also be available in 10mg, 25mg, 50mg tablets. Clomipramine is freely soluble in water. Reduce by 10% per month to start The 10% rule holds for clomipramine, just like other psychiatric drugs: Reduce by 10% per month, calculated on the last dosage. (The amount of the reduction gets progressively smaller.) See Why taper by 10% of my dosage? Use a combination of clomipramine dosages to taper If you are taking, for example, 150mg, you may wish to get 50mg of your prescription in 10mg tablets (if available). This will enable you to decrease by 10mg at a time. (To justify a prescription comprised of various dosage capsules or tablets for insurance coverage, your doctor may need to indicate split dosing -- taking the drug more than once a day.) When you are down to 100mg, you may wish to have your prescription filled with 50mg capsules or tablets plus 10mg tablets and carefully split the tablets until you are down to 50mg. The smallest decrease you can make with available tablet sizes would be 2.5mg -- 1/4 of a 10mg tablet. Accurately cutting a tablet into quarters can be difficult. When you need to make a decrease smaller than 5mg (half a 10mg tablet), you may wish to to cut up tablets, weigh the powder (from the capsules), get a prescription for the liquid, or make a liquid to continue a 10% taper. At 50mg and lower, you may wish to combine whole 25mg capsules or tablets with partial tablets or powder from the capsule weighed for accuracy, or a liquid to fill out the rest of your daily dose. Use a digital scale to weigh tablet fragments or powder For small amounts of the drug, weighing tablet fragments or powder from the If you wish to weigh the powder, see Using a digital scale to measure doses You will probably find using a liquid to be much more convenient when tapering by amounts smaller than 10mg. Make a clomipramine liquid yourself from tablets or capsules Clomipramine is soluble in water. See How to make a liquid from tablets or capsules Use an oral syringe to precisely measure out doses as small as .01mg. Have a compounding pharmacy make custom capsules or a liquidCompounding pharmacies can make capsules with custom dosages or a liquid from the powder. You will need a prescription written for any compounding. The only drawback is insurance may not cover it; it can be quite expensive. Clomipramine is a very strong SRI.[64][65] Its affinity for the SERT was reported in one study using human tissues to be 0.14 nM, which is considerably higher than that of other TCAs.[35][57] For example, the TCAs with the next highest affinities for the SERT in the study were imipramine, amitriptyline, and dosulepin (dothiepin), with Ki values of 1.4 nM, 4.3 nM, and 8.3 nM, respectively.[57] In addition, clomipramine has a terminal half-life that is around twice as long as that of amitriptyline and imipramine.[57][66] In spite of these differences however, clomipramine is used clinically at the same usual dosages as other serotonergic TCAs (100–200 mg/day).[57] It achieves typical circulating concentrations that are similar in range to those of other TCAs but with an upper limit that is around twice that of amitriptyline and imipramine.[57] For these reasons, clomipramine is the most potent SRI among the TCAs and is far stronger as an SRI than other TCAs at typical clinical dosages.[64][65] In addition, clomipramine is more potent as an SRI than any selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), it is more potent than paroxetine, which is the strongest SSRI.[57] A positron emission tomography study found that a single low dose of 10 mg clomipramine to healthy volunteers resulted in 81.1% occupancy of the SERT, which was comparable to the 84.9% SERT occupancy by 50 mg fluvoxamine.[51] In the study, single doses of 5 to 50 mg clomipramine resulted in 67.2 to 94.0% SERT occupancy while single doses of 12.5 to 50 mg fluvoxamine resulted in 28.4 to 84.9% SERT occupancy.[51] Chronic treatment with higher doses was able to achieve up to 100.0% SERT occupancy with clomipramine and up to 93.6% SERT occupancy with fluvoxamine.[51] Other studies have found 83% SERT occupancy with 20 mg/day paroxetine and 77% SERT occupancy with 20 mg/day citalopram.[51][67] These results indicate that very low doses of clomipramine are able to substantially occupy the SERT and that clomipramine achieves higher occupancy of the SERT than SSRIs at comparable doses.[51][62] Moreover, clomipramine may be able to achieve more complete occupancy of the SERT at high doses, at least relative to fluvoxamine.[51] If the ratios of the 80% SERT occupancy dosage and the approved clinical dosage range are calculated and compared for SSRIs, SNRIs, and clomipramine, it can be deduced that clomipramine is by far the strongest SRI used medically.[62][61] The lowest approved dosage of clomipramine can be estimated to be roughly comparable in SERT occupancy to the maximum approved dosages of the strongest SSRIs and SNRIs.[62][61] Because their mechanism of action was originally not known and dose-ranging studies were never conducted, first-generation antipsychotics were dramatically overdosed in patients.[62] It has been suggested that the same may have been true for clomipramine and other TCAs.[62] Does clomipramine 10mg seem to be as strong as 20mg paroxetine? Does this mean that withdrawal symptoms are also the most severe? Xanax 0,5mg 1999-2019 a Xanax 0,5mg a few times a month, if necessary Cymbalta 30mg 2012-25.04.2018 tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose Amitriptyline 25mg 25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea Valdoxan 25mg 10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam 10.02.19-20.02.19 if necessary overnight Brintellix 5mg 10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation, fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week Olanzapine 5mg 01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks Levomepromazine 5mg 03.08.19-20.12.19 helped sleep but increased confusion and depression Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19 dose 75mg 15.12.19- tapering every 3-4 weeks 17.05.20 was the dose 35mg , 01.01.21 was the dose 27mg Link to post Share on other sites
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