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The imaginary line between “spiritual emergence” and “psychosis” – Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/2019/01/06/the-imaginary-line-between-spiritual-emergence-and-psychosis/


That’s right the line between psychosis and spiritual emergence does not exist. There is no line, there is only spectrum of manifestation and none of it is better or worse. It simply is what is arising in that individual at the moment they are met and unfortunately diagnosed.  It can change any time too. These mental/spiritual states are not stagnant and often times they’re even responses to the ineptness of the so-called professional experts we find ourselves with. When we sense people are unsafe and we can’t easily get away trauma responses to feeling trapped can look pretty “crazy”  In any case, this belief in a line between the two concepts has been a standard meme of sorts in most of the spiritual emergence scene since its inception. The father of the movement, the much beloved and revered Stanislov Grof started it and it continues to be at the foundation of most of the philosophies/psychologies that employ the concept.

Continuing, seamlessly, in the footsteps of psychiatry, this belief in this magical line dividing the truly spiritual emergent from the truly psychotic is used to harm and retraumatize folks routinely.   There are people who are pathologically inclined and there are those who are not. There are those who are worthy of being respected and there are those who are not.

What it really means is that professionals have found that there are those we feel comfortable with and there are those we do not feel comfortable with. When we don’t feel comfortable with a client the most expedient, least personally painful thing to do is blame the patient. The client/patient is so sick that we must dismiss them. We must drug them and remove them from our sight, because if we do not we might actually have to take a look at our own lack of capacity, our own limits. We might have to look at our own trauma and our own shadows. We’d rather not do that so we will instead continue to traumatize you by telling you, “no you are not spiritual emergent, you are sick and always will be and you should go get drugged for the rest of your life.”  Yes, they are simply behaving as another arm of psychiatry at that point. Dirty little secret.


Yet another “micro-aggression. And micro-aggression is a somewhat unfortunate term because the sensitive does not experience these as slight offenses. Not in the least bit.

From the first time I encountered the idea of Spiritual Emergence in my early 20’s when I also made a phone call to the then local to me, Stanislov Grof.  I was hoping to get an appointment to see him.  I wrote the following paragraph in a post about the book Rethinking Madness by Paris Williams:

I … contacted Stan Grof as a young woman having recognized my issues were not mental illness and was engaged with interest until I told him I’d been labeled bipolar and hospitalized briefly. At that point he couldn’t wait to get off the phone. His energy and interest radically shifted away from me. It was devastating.  I was struck with the hypocrisy of that, him having married the wife he met as a patient in the psych ward. Her book, The Stormy Search for the Self, about her own spiritual emergence and crisis was at one time very helpful to me.

Since that time I’ve encountered many such people both professionally as colleagues and also as someone seeking help for my own healing process for which I sometimes utilized the spiritual emergence frame. It is one frame that can be helpful to some people some of the time. It  is by no means the only helpful frame to approach the experience that gets labeled psychotic and it’s also not always necessary. What is necessary is finding frames and people both that support our process, whatever it is, however we choose to interpret it.

The people I’ve encountered within the spiritual emergence world over the years have pretty much all had serious  limits when it comes to working with the folks I advocate for on this site.  These limits are manifested with the professional projecting their own lack of experience and understanding onto the person seeking help one way or another. As a “client” or “patient” I was retraumatized by such folks more than once. I did meet one lovely woman shortly after my phone call to Grof. She was one of his closest students at the time. Luckily she could hold a bigger vision than her teacher.  She and I did do some good work together and people like her help me trust that someday we can be the majority rather than the tiny minority in the professional world.

As a professional I’ve talked to dozens of these folks now. They are almost always dismissive of the folks I advocate for in one way or another. Sometimes in very explicit and non-apologetic ways. I generally only gently confront these folks if at all. I pick my battles and I’m not interested in arguing with people who cannot hear me. It’s wasted energy.  I will speak to anyone who really wants to know and learn what I’ve come to know and learn  about the psyche of those of us who get labeled and far too often tossed away. On occasion I meet people who clearly  want to learn but mostly people are rigidly inflexible around this issue and attached to their training. This is pretty human. I try to find compassion in my heart. I was a professional in such circles too and once thought a lot like them accepting my training without too much question.

I stopped looking for people to work with as a client/patient many years ago now. It became obvious that everyone I had met were not in the least bit competent enough to bring me through what I’ve learned to do for myself in many, strictly speaking, non-therapeutic ways (simply learning to live well and integrity with ourselves is good therapy!). I utilize all manner of things in my environment and life and home that allow me to go deep and heal this stuff. I’ve discovered this process by surrendering to the life-force within me and it’s been a slow sometimes (very) excruciating and also astonishingly beautiful process. My allies and friends are involved for sure, but professionals, again, strictly speaking, generally are not. Of course some of my friends and allies happen to be professionals but our relationships are not conventional at all at this point.

I have however continued to network with professionals in general, as a professional and it’s been largely disappointing. (again, there are always delightful exceptions and that is what keeps me reaching out to professionals … even with this post I hope to recruit professionals! … always, because I too was a professional and I understand that it’s truly not easy to get the training you need to do this very important work even if you are interested in it)

In more recent years I’ve spoken to local professionals in this way and it’s those two most recent contacts that have led me to writing this post today.

One of them, with whom I collaborated with for a while, made a pass at me even while knowing I was married, and, more importantly, extremely vulnerable. He knew my brain injury status and knew that I could barely even leave my home much of the time and that my PTSD remained out of control at the time.  It’s still something that blows my mind that a therapist working with me pretty much as my boss at the time would do that. I trusted him and valued him very much as a friend. Again, one more devastation at the hands of someone trained by Grof.

The other person is someone I called when I found out he was doing this work in the area where I live. We talked on the phone and he was pretty run-of-the-mill dismissive. Nothing shocking, but yeah, I was bummed out. I always hope to find people I might be able to work with as colleagues.

I don’t do much one on one work online anymore with folks who are in need of intensive support because without an infrastructure of care and support from the “village” it’s just too much for me alone to meet all the despair of truly deserving people who reach out to me daily from having read my work. I apologize to all of you. I’m so sorry I cannot respond and hold space for hundreds of you. I am working on finding other ways to get support out there and right now one thing I’m trying to do is educate the professionals.

Anyway, this last guy I spoke to on the phone, is someone I happen to dance with. He doesn’t know who I am and probably doesn’t even remember our conversation. I see him though and we dance together in my local ecstatic dance scene. He’s not always there and mostly I just ignore him but I also can feel his presence when he is there. It’s actually been a great place for me to feel into the hurt, pain and anger of what he represents as one of the many 1000s of therapists who harm us every day. I dance that **** out…right there on the dance floor in his presence. It’s very powerful. Ecstatic dance is one of my most important modes of healing and it includes a lovely community. Whether we like it or not the Village includes everyone. Not just the people we like to hang out with. And so I practice that reality when I dance with this man. He is part of my community and here he crosses over into my safe space. Yeah, it’s a good practice.

Today as I was dancing in his presence this post started being written. Right there on the dance floor. I left half way through to come home and write. This is yet one more topic that has been brewing for years that I finally get to address.


There is no line between psychosis and spiritual emergence. 


first published: 

The imaginary line between “spiritual emergence” and “psychosis” – Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/2019/01/06/the-imaginary-line-between-spiritual-emergence-and-psychosis/



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Thank you for sharing this information. I read Grof's book last year, I'm sad you had that experience. That must have been very disappointing. Having a pretty rough time so can't reply as fully as I'd like, but I do hope you inspire and attract more professionals who are open to new thinking about this. I'm still very much caught between believing I'm going through a spiritual crisis, have mental issues, or am simply a bad person. I can also relate to feeling afraid of opening up to any professional, because I've had so many disappointing or just painful experiences with them. There just doesn't seem to be the resources, experience, time or understanding to help those in crisis. Appreciate you posting, hope it reaches those who need it.

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I'm very interested in the way that mental illness, or "psychosis", could be a natural phenomenon for a person undergoing change ("spiritual emergence"). After reading through the post my understanding is that mental issues could be less of a sign that there is something wrong with a person , but rather that they are exploring an aspect of themselves that they had ignored or abandoned. The bizarre ways people act sometimes when going through those changes may just be to attract assistance (love and care) from their communities so that they will be accepted after they change. In that way, many commonly negative things, such as bad habits, imaginary situations, or excessive emotions, could be best resolved with acceptance and understanding by the people they care about.

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I thought about it some more, and a better way to say it is that things are tough when: 1. their environment tells a person they need improvement 2. they feel unhappy because of the way others react 3. they are concerned with the happiness of other people. These things build onto each other until it is a tower of unhappy. The reality is that it is an illusion because the person thinks they have to manage and live in the unhappy tower to keep up with everything's demands, when in fact its healthier to walk away and build a new mind tower, and find out the things they care about are automatically included in the new tower, because what is significant is inside of them all along. This is impossible manually (like in the subconscious) and will happen overtime naturally with confidence, experience, and brain growth, and all that's required outside is positive words, lots of care, and the feeling of safety. Edit: The process of realizing, feeling sad, and walking away from the old tower is the part that makes people seem worrying to others on the outside, but it can be walked through with care and sympathy.


I know it might be too analytical because still in school mode, and it might be totally wrong, but thought it sounded sound to myself so might be to someone else.


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@GiaK Thank you for all your work. It has been invaluable to me during very dark times. Also, thankful to Alostrata for providing this forum. I can't write more at the moment due to symptoms . 

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