Liver detox, gallbladder flush, internal cleansing, enemas, fasting & other detoxification methods

[Jackson]

Main things I'd look out for are:

 

--Caffeine. Many people (most actually) have to avoid it altogether during withdrawal as it ramps up symptoms. I don't know if this is a problem in your case.

 

--"Cleanses" of various sorts are designed for people who have normal CNS to begin with. When you do a cleanse, any reputable practitioner will tell you that it will be stressful to your body. This can be very challenging to people struggling with CNS healing, who generally need LESS stress for healing, rather than more.

 

--High colonics and to a lesser degree enemas will mess up your normal flora and may perturb your enteric nervous system. There's a lot of recent research showing that intestinal flora affect the gut's nervous system, which then affects the CNS. This is what the GAPs diet is based on--normalizing natural flora, healing the gut, in order to stabilize the nervous system effects. I'd be careful with screwing with that.

 

Also, I don't remember reading about coffee enemas in the GAPS book...just regular enemas to deal with constipation only. Did I miss something?

 

A couple of years ago I looked into coffee enemas and I didn't find much actual scientific evidence to support them. Everything I found, if you traced it back, came from the Gershon Institute.

 

It's not just Alto who doesn't think these cleanse type approaches are a good thing in withdrawal. Gianna Kali, a pioneer in peer resource psych drug withdrawal, who's seen hundreds of people all over the world through the process, also finds that these intense cleanses often do more harm than good. As she explains (better than I do), these alternative treatments and cleanses and various supplement therapies are designed for people whose CNS's are normal. Which is not the case if you're dealing with psych drug effects and withdrawal.

 

Not trying to change your mind--you've obviously thought this through for yourself and you're a grownup. Just putting my thoughts into the discussion.

 

I will be curious to hear how this works for you, and I certainly do understand the willingness and desire to experiment with something that could help.

 

Thanks for sharing this Rhi, I have taken most things into consideration already.

 

- Caffeine (when ingested orally) did have negative effects on my early on. It gave me depressive mood pretty much every time. But I seem to be able to tolerate it a lot better now, and if do feel feel bad after doing the enema, I will simply stop doing them.

 

- The stress on a sensitive nervous system has been my main concern as well. I do feel I have recovered adequately now to take the risk. I'm 42 months out, and have been a vegetable until this day, so stress hasn't been a concern to me. So while no stress is obviously a good idea, what I have been doing so far just isn't helping much. I can't sit around and be sick forever, then I'd rather just kill myself and end the suffering. I have to start doing SOMETHING.

 

- The colon clinic told me they would give me a supplement that would replenish my the good bacteria that is inevitably going to be flushed out. I think this is a minor concern, unless your normal diet is McDonalds 3 times a day.

 

But I just want to clarify, that I do not suffer from withdrawal. My situation differs from many other people here. I did not, ever, feel good/normal/stable while taking any drug, I only got very sick. I wasn't functioning normally at any point in time while taking any of the 6-7 different anti-depressants they gave me. After about 14 months of this cycling through different poisons torture, my brain and nervous system gave in. Something exploded inside my brain. I could feel the damage as it was happening. And it was at that point I had to cold turkey the drug. But the actual damage was already done by the time the drug had to be withdrawn.

 

So my situation is not your typical withdrawal scenario, where the brain has to get used to the absence of the drug. This was a very severe type of adverse drug reaction, that lead to the same type of symptoms that you experience in withdrawal. So while the same areas of the brain may be affected, the damage and the mechanics of the damage is different. I think this distinction is important to make, because while withdrawal seems to be purely a neurotransmitter problem, mine could very well have been a metabolic problem. But unless I ever get a fMRI or PET scan (which seems unlikely at this point - I have tried), I will never get a chance to survey the damage. I just have to rely on Time to bail me out of this mess. But I feel like I have given it Time, and it's not very effective. I have a life to live. And now I have the energy to try different things, and I have deemed this colon procedure to be relatively harmless, so unless I stumble upon anecdotal accounts of people having their digestion system destroyed by these procedures (I have looked, and I haven't found any), then I will give it a try.

 

Worst thing that could happen is that I feel worse for a while. But I am willing to take that risk.

[Barbarannamated]

Jackson,

Your case is a different beast and your symptoms remind me a bit of InNeedOfHope and her bad adverse reaction to Cymbalta and Cipro. Both *seem* like a neuropathic-type pain. I also thought of you when someone recently mentioned Intracranial Hypertension (IH) and wondered if you'd been evaluated for that (or Intracranial hemorrhage/bleed)? I've had years of headaches and various tests over the years, but never heard of IH until someone's recent post. (I will find it and open a topic) I've had very pattern of pain - ram's head arch from back of head into temple. It began around the time I began Zoloft MANY years along with bruxism so all got muddled together.

(Lisa's Story Quit the Cure)

 

It sounds like you are doing better in many ways so I'm confused by what you mean that you are a 'vegetable'.

[Altostrata]

Jackson, what you have is neurological instability, similar to that those of us with prolonged withdrawal syndrome are suffering.

 

You may prefer Dr. Stuart Shipko's terms "tardive neurotoxic syndrome" or "neurotoxicity." (Read the whole topic.)

 

At any rate, you seem to be set on trying coffee enemas no matter what. Rather than arguing about it further, please do let us know how this works for you.

[poodlebell]

Read in the bit about What is detoxification on cortisol going into fat cells and wonder if this is one reason that we keep getting bad days

 

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Spring is a time of growth, renewal and fresh starts. Just as our gardens will need tending, so will our bodies. Emerging from winter’s slower, more sedentary season, spring is the ideal time to undertake a cleansing or “detoxification” program.

 

As part of a health maintenance program, there are benefits to giving your body seasonal service – just as you would service your car after struggling through winter weather. This not only wards off illness, but also rejuvenates your organs and your tissues. Detoxification, the traditional naturopathic concept of cleansing our bodies of waste and toxins to improve our systems’ functioning and energy production, can give you back that spring in your step and energy to spare. For more than 100 years, naturopathic medicine has identified a host of diseases that are treated by employing a detoxification process.

 

Many different types of cleanses exist, ranging from minor to major. A weekend detox can consist of simple elements such as eating only raw, “live” foods, resting, bathing and journaling or meditation. A major cleanse is usually designed by a professional and can last for weeks, incorporating personalized elements for your individual condition and desired outcome. Let’s take a closer look at the process of detoxification and what a cleanse looks like.

 

WHAT IS DETOXIFICATION?

 

Detoxification is the process of releasing accumulated toxins and waste products that build up throughout our system. The words “detox” and “cleanse” are often used interchangeably with detoxification.

Detoxification occurs within our bodies on a natural and continuous basis. If we could avoid insomnia, inadequate diets, and environmental toxins (such as food additives, solvents, pesticides, herbicides), our bodies would continue to take care of this elimination on their own. Imbalanced, emotional reactions to stress can also overload our system with excess chemicals such as free radicals, homocysteine (associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease), and cortisol. Toxins that the body is unable to eliminate will build up in bodily tissues, typically in our fat stores.

Detoxifying, or “cleansing”, becomes necessary when this natural process becomes overwhelmed and stops working efficiently. This can happen if our diet and exercise regime slips, when we get ill, when we take prescription medications for extended periods, or from natural causes such as a weakened immune system due to age.

 

Regular nocturnal habits are important as the majority of detoxification takes place at night when your body is not preoccupied with daily functions such as digestion or locomotion. Eating late at night can throw off the detoxification process because the digestion process has to begin all over again. Getting the proper amount of rest and “down time” is essential to eliminate toxins and waste products from your body.

 

AM I TOXIC?

 

The following symptoms can indicate your body’s need for a cleanse: •frequent or reoccurring colds, congestion

•“stuffed up” in the morning

•frequent/infrequent urination

•numbness

•feeling heavy, sluggish or tired

•mild depression, irritability

•dark circles under your eyes

•a flare-up of allergies

•nausea

•weight gain

•declining or poor skin condition and color, rashes, acne

•a thickly coated, yellowish tongue

•morning breath or constant bad breath

•bitter taste in the mouth

•headaches

•excess gas and bloating

 

poodlebell

[alexjuice]

I'm not Alto but my take on detoxing is that it really can be unwise for a person in acute or protracted withdrawal. Many detox protocols include deviation from normal eating, pooping, bathing etc. Shaking things up, even for a good cause, can do more harm than good.

 

In general, though I'm not an expert, the body has organs designed to filter what enters our organism. They have a max capacity and beyond that they handle their filtrations duties in ways that aren't conducive to good health. There are a lot of different ways that humans can max out their capacity in the 21st century.

 

However, "detox" salespeople peddle protocols and programs many of which do little or no good, possibly much harm and so discernment is a valuable.

 

I took two "detox" baths six months ago and my body has not yet returned to its normal temperature (and lots of other crap) since then. Careful.

[poodlebell]

Hi Alex

 

I was not excluding others from comments but know that Alto has done a lot of research into cortisol.

 

I did not make it clear, I was not thinking of detox, know that this is bad in w/d, I was interested in the fact that it says that cortisol goes into the fat cells, and wonder if it then comes out of the cells at a later date and causes us to have a bad day. I seem to have bad days after doing more, using more energy up.

 

I dont know a lot on how the body works, but have learnt a lot in this w/d. but I thought that the cortisol would go into the blood stream and them out of the body, was surprised that it could go into the fat cells.

 

hope this is more clear now.

 

Thanks for answering on the detox though.

 

poodlebell

[Rhiannon]

I don't think cortisol is actually stored in fat cells. Probably the confusion is that cortisol is involved in fat metabolism, in fat cell storage, in getting fat into and out of fat cells in various ways. It does do that. Cortisol is involved in the process of fat cell storage of fats.

 

But I can't find any reference to it actually being stored in fat cells, and that wouldn't make sense anyway because it can be produced spontaneously and very quickly by the adrenal glands whenever necessary.

[Altostrata]

pb, I attached your topic to this one, which answers a lot of your questions.

 

(When you post an article, please post a link to the original, as well as the date and source of the article.)

 

Cortisol is essential to your body's functioning. See wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

 

You can't cleanse the body of cortisol, the body would stop functioning.

 

When we talk about too much cortisol, we're talking about cortisol being produced too often or at the wrong time. Cortisol is not stored in fat, or protein, or anywhere in the body. The body naturally breaks down cortisol, plasma cortisol half-life is about an hour.

 

Sorry, "cleasing" cortisol does not seem to be possible, or any kind of solution for withdrawal syndrome.

[poodlebell]

Hi Alto thank you for your as usual excellent advice, I knew you would be able to answer this one thank you poodlebell

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[btdt]

http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/toxic-psychiatry/

 

 a lot of the same stuff we are use to seeing ... but one bit about toxins being stored in fat was interesting.. tho have heard before it is not true... don't know if it is or not. 

 

What seemed curious to me ... special notes on effexor... I will copy so you can see... 

 

"Effexor is a drug that is potentially highly toxic to the liver. The functioning of the liver depends to a very large extend on the sufficient production and availability of glutathione. It is a detoxification compound from the amino acids cystine, glutamic acid and glycine. Glutathione is found mostly in the liver, the body’s detoxification centre, but also in the intestinal tract, the lungs, and is always present also in the blood stream. When the liver is presented with toxins and cannot make enough glutathione to neutralize them by excreting them via the bile ducts, the build-up of toxicity tends to show first mental disorders, anxiety, tremours, problems maintaining balance and accelerated visible signs of aging especially of the skin.

All psychiatric drugs also interfere with and deplete magnesium and calcium stores – the most important minerals for the facilitation of calm brains and the ability to sleep. These minerals are required for the production of melatonin produced by the pineal gland. If calcium/magnesium stores are not sufficient, taking melatonin by itself rarely works to restore sleep.

Both these and most other psychiatric drugs tend to be addictive. The addictive response is essentially a protective change in the system which adapts to a war it cannot win. The body cannot stop receiving the toxin if the patient keeps taking it, it also cannot create enough of a detoxification defense to eliminate those toxins - they are foreign/artificial chemicals that cannot be metabolized or neutralized. So, the body stores it while keeping up the detoxification defenses enough to keep the person functional. As long as possible, the body stores these substances by “packaging” them in the deep tissues and in fat, i.e. in cholesterol. Chronic antidepressant takers usually have high cholesterol. That goes down to normal when the drug withdrawal has been successfully completed. Withdrawing from these drugs is difficult and must be done slowly and adjusted to the needs of the individual patients.

All psychiatric drugs are toxic: a toxin is a substance that interferes with essential nutrient absorption, poisons pathways essential for metabolism, or blocks the production of detoxification systems – usually all three. Toxicity means that eventually organ damage occurs which may become irreversible.

Withdrawing from these drugs is greatly assisted if those nutrients are supplied in therapeutic doses which were reduced by the drugs’ toxicity.

NOTE No 1: manufacturers sold in drug stores are not recommended as they do not guarantee purity in terms of no GMOs, no wheat, no soy, no added sugars, no fillers, etc. The companies whose products are excellent:NOW, Sisu, Natural Factors, Organika, Carlson, Flora, Inno-Vite, AOR and Quest. There are excellent additional companies, but they usually only sell to health professionals. See also ads in Vitality.

NOTE No 2: people differ in requirements and ability to resist toxins. The information below is a basic guideline. They do not apply to everybody; many need a lot more. You need help from people who know about these drugs (some doctors, most naturopaths) to adjust your program to work best for you. Tests to determine theexact depletion status are available through many laboratories, but expensive.

1. Essential Fatty Acids - Carlson’s cod or halibut or salmon liver oil - Dosage: 3 capsules daily with a full meal.

2. Inositol – AOR powdered form - Dosage: 1 tablespoon in yogurt or pudding or juice twice daily NOTE: some people have loose stool when taking inositol: take ½ tablespoon once daily for a week then slowly increase

3. GABA – by any of the above companies - Dosage: start with dosage as recommended on the container, increase to double 3-4 weeks later, stay on that increase until completely withdrawn from the drugs. If the drug being withdrawn is a classic SSRI, such as Prozac, the patient also needs to supplement with Co-Q 10.

4. Taurine – the product by NOW is most cost effective. Same as or GABA.

5. Ornothine – same as for Taurine and GABA

6. Vitamin C – Natural Factor’s BioCgel – 2 capsules daily. This C product is specially formulated to be highly absorbent and causes no stomach acidity.

7. B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin) B5 (pantothenic acid – essential for adrenaline production – always take 4 capsules once daily), Niacinamide (vitamin B3 – 1 capsule of 500 mg daily) Folic acid (also a B vitamin) in the doses shown on the bottle.

8. At bedtime only: 4 capsules of Inno-Vite’s Cal-Mag (also has boron and D3 added for bone protection). Sleep problems, caused by anxiety, malnutrition, or chemical assault, deplete magnesium and calcium; without adequate reserves one cannot sleep.

All of these need to be taken with a meal, except #8, because their absorption depends on the presence of fat. It is usually advisable to take everything other than Cal-Mag during the day, preferably with a good breakfast consisting of mostly protein and fat. Cal-Mag puts people to sleep quickly and should be taken with dinner or bedtime.

No-Nos! Alcohol, cigarettes, high coffee intake (more than 4 cups daily, no caffeinated pop).

Highly recommended: organic food if possible, especially meat, eggs and milk products."

 

that is it don't shoot the messenger.

 

I am in no way recommending any of this just what I found online.. sharing so you can have a look too...

peace

[Altostrata]

The idea that psychiatric drugs are stored in fat and it is these remnants that cause withdrawal syndrome is nonsense. See

Do Antidepresssants Stay In the Body for Years?

[Cressida]

And the idea that you can detox your body is a scam . Medically you can remove an excess of drink or drugs circulating in someone s system but there is nothing anyone can do to leave their organs and fat cells squeaky clean other than follow a long term regime of healthy eating an exercise. My own experience of trying to cut things out , I once gave up carbs, was that it made me very ill. Body in withdrawal over reacts very easily. But each to his/her own . "Withdrawal" is the clue. Its something missing that's causing the problem not something that's still there.

Am going to have to take a break from sa all these miracle cures and adding stuff in in doing my head in . Health and happiness to all

[antidepressantsNoMore]

I don't think that by detoxing your liver will speed up w/d if that is what you wanted to know. There is nothing bad about detoxing your liver if you beat it up but wd is wd and it can last a long time depending on the duration of time you took these drugs, if you tampered, went cold turkey, your genetic factors, etc. Honesly, I hate anti-depressants. They aren't worth it for me.

[Altostrata]

Yes, there is something bad about beating up your liver. You will feel terrible. I strongly advise any kind of liver detox regimen if you are already feeling poorly.

[downtongirl]

Is Prozac a fat soluble medication?

[Altostrata]

See Do psych drugs stay In body fat for years? Released by...

[downtongirl]

I am not trying to speed up my recovery or the elimination of any remaining Prozac left in my system but am considering doing a diet with a drink mix called Plexus...I have an increase in withdrawal symptoms when I exercise, have frequent bowel movements in a day, skip meals, or take Epsom salt baths for two or more days in a row so I am wondering if something that would boost my metabolism would speed up the elimination of any residual Prozac in my system?  I am almost 8 weeks from my last dosage of Prozac...not taking any other antidepressant, antipsychotic, or antianxiety medications

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[antidepressantsNoMore]

An excellent supplement to detox the Liver is N-A-C. You should give it a shot.

[Morgane]

I occasionally squeeze 3 limes, add 1 raw egg and 1 spoon of biological olive oil to it to support the liver.

[LostInSpace]

Has anyone tried a flush like this?  In a Facebook group, I read people believe it has sped up their healing.  Some have just tried the coffee enema without the flush and believe it has helped tremendously.  I'm so sensitive to everything, I'm a bit scared to try it.  I drank a fruit smoothie last month and it put me on my as for a day or two.  A very small amount of caffeine give me a hangover and makes my symptoms a bit worse.   

 

If you've tried this (or the enema) please let me know how it worked for you.

 

Thanks

[scallywag]

I did a liver flush like this about 14 years ago. I was on a regular daily dose of Effexor XR: I was not tapering or experiencing withdrawal symptoms.  Afterwards, I felt disoriented and "out of it" for several days, maybe a week.  I wouldn't recommend doing it when you're dealing with symptoms -- wait until you are very, very stable and waves of symptoms are a distant memory.

 

The effects of most medical interventions on people with destabilized CNS are poorly understood, regardless of whether the interventions are conventional "Western" or traditional "Eastern" or "natural".

[time2wakeup]

Hey - has anyone done a liver detox? Has it helped with your symptoms at all? At this point I'm just so stumped as to why I haven't fully recovered after 5 years off... I still have bad DP.

 

The DP lifts some when I get my period, but usually not by much. Finally I realized I must have extremely high estrogen, as I've noticed my anxiety is through the roof during the times of my cycle when estrogen is at its peak, and when I get my period (when E drops), I feel the best... All of this started after taking/quitting prozac (which I was only on for 6 months). High E can cause hypothyroidism, which can cause DP, etc... I'm just trying to understand why my E would be so high...all I can think of is it could be due to a clogged up liver, which simply isn't able to metabolize the estrogen very well. This could explain why I'm so sensitive to medications, alcohol, etc...

 

Anyway - just wondering if anyone's had any luck with liver cleanse/support supplements. Especially curious about those who have tried more hardcore liver detoxes.

 

P.S. I was into the magnesium protocol thing for a minute, but I just had the Full Monty Iron Panel done and all my numbers were pretty good (well within range), and magnesium and ferritin levels were excellent...so...this doesn't seem to be a mineral deficiency problem...

[Junglechicken]

Hey - has anyone done a liver detox? Has it helped with your symptoms at all? At this point I'm just so stumped as to why I haven't fully recovered after 5 years off... I still have bad DP.

 

The DP lifts some when I get my period, but usually not by much. Finally I realized I must have extremely high estrogen, as I've noticed my anxiety is through the roof during the times of my cycle when estrogen is at its peak, and when I get my period (when E drops), I feel the best... All of this started after taking/quitting prozac (which I was only on for 6 months). High E can cause hypothyroidism, which can cause DP, etc... I'm just trying to understand why my E would be so high...all I can think of is it could be due to a clogged up liver, which simply isn't able to metabolize the estrogen very well. This could explain why I'm so sensitive to medications, alcohol, etc...

 

Anyway - just wondering if anyone's had any luck with liver cleanse/support supplements. Especially curious about those who have tried more hardcore liver detoxes.

 

P.S. I was into the magnesium protocol thing for a minute, but I just had the Full Monty Iron Panel done and all my numbers were pretty good (well within range), and magnesium and ferritin levels were excellent...so...this doesn't seem to be a mineral deficiency problem...

 

I would do this detox under the supervision of a Naturopath or nutritionist.

 

Its well worth it, as they have the knowledge should you experience side effects/reactions etc.,

[WilliamWallace]

Ive done one using magnesium and grapefruit and olive oil. got some stones out. hard to say if it made me feel any better bc I was going through some other things at the time. 

 

not much risk involved and its just a matter of fasting and drinking a cup of olive oil and grapefruit juice. pretty cheap and simple. 

 

besides removing stones, your liver doesn't need to be detoxed a whole lot. it regenerates on its own every 40 days or so. 

 

manjistha is another plant that can help aid in detoxification as well as n acetyl cytseine which will boost glutathione production in your liver. 

[Junglechicken]

Ive done one using magnesium and grapefruit and olive oil. got some stones out. hard to say if it made me feel any better bc I was going through some other things at the time. 

 

not much risk involved and its just a matter of fasting and drinking a cup of olive oil and grapefruit juice. pretty cheap and simple. 

 

besides removing stones, your liver doesn't need to be detoxed a whole lot. it regenerates on its own every 40 days or so. 

 

manjistha is another plant that can help aid in detoxification as well as n acetyl cytseine which will boost glutathione production in your liver. 

 

OK, I stand corrected, lol.

 

I'm just uber cautious is all.

[compsports]

I would be very cautious about taking supplements.   Just because they aren't meds doesn't mean they can't cause harm.

 

You might want to consider eating foods that allegedly detox the liver.  In my opinion, that would be the safest approach.  

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=liver+detox+foods

[JanCarol]

Kelly Brogan is a big fan of the coffee enema, which is a gentle liver detox.

 

WilliamWallace, above, was talking about a gall bladder cleanse (the grapefruit juice and "stones") 

 

There are no stones in the liver.

 

If you are having symptoms, I would caution against any detox protocols.  Your nerves may be sensitive enough without ramping up the "cleansing."  What your neurons need is calm, not upset.

 

It is one of the reasons we are cautious about naturopaths - they always want to "detox" especially where withdrawal from drugs is concerned.

 

After 3 years or more out from your withdrawal, you may feel well enough to do all the detox protocols you want, but until you are out of withdrawal symptoms, I would leave the detox protocols alone.  Especially if you are still having cortisol issues.

[Junglechicken]

...

There are no stones in the liver.

 

If you are having symptoms, I would caution against any detox protocols.  Your nerves may be sensitive enough without ramping up the "cleansing."  What your neurons need is calm, not upset.

...

Hah! I just completed a detox.......and it was brutal.

 

The supplements involved threw me a loop.......I reacted badly to "AdrenoMax" which as the name suggests supports your adrenal function.

 

I'm currently trying to increase the good bacterial count in my gut through ingesting pre and pro-biotics.

[Jaywill]

I will be 5 years off in August and I just started taking a supplement to detox my liver and am tolerating it. I tried this earlier on with terrible results. I started with one drop a day for a week then 2 for a week and each week increased by one. My liver is doing better. The regular dose for a healthy person is like 20 drops a day I am at 5 and not going to go up. Thats how sensitive our bodies are.

[SkyBlue]

I want to reiterate the idea that our systems are so sensitive in withdrawal, that the normal rules don't apply to "detoxing." Gentleness is key. 

[KurtT]

TUDCA for you. Google it. It was a lifesaver for me bringing my enzymes down to 150 from 400. 150 being seriously elevated. 

[Oceanrat]

anyone have any thoughts on coffee enimas , like Kelly brogan recommends to help with taper, withdrawal etc? 

[Altostrata]

Please see above discussion.

 

If you're tapering in order to maintain the drug in your body at a gently decreasing level, speeding the drug out of your system via a colon cleanse makes no sense.

[Gridley]

I recently had an experience with Structured Water, which is water that, according to its proponents, is molecularly restructured for health benefits.  Some call it a scam or hoax, others swear by it.  All I know is that a couple of hours after drinking several glasses of Structured Water, I felt terrible, with symptoms I'd never experienced before.  I read up on the subject and learned that one of the benefits of the water is detox, and detox is the last thing I want while in WD.  Just a cautionary note.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Gridley

[Altostrata]

@Oceanrat, read the above topic.

[Meimeiquest]

So there’s a new book out, Radical Metabolism, that is mostly about healing the gallbladder/biliary tree.  Mine started hurting on drug #3 Wellbutrin clear back in 2014.  She says many people w gallbladder issues are sensitive to in order of frequency, pork, eggs, onions.  It’s made a huge difference for me to go off onions.  She has cleanse ideas, but I don’t think they’d be helpful for people in hard WD.  It’s so common to develop food sensitivities in WD.  She also says gallbladder problems are often the cause of thyroid problems.  When fat is not being processed properly, T4 doesn’t convert properly to T3.  (Or vice versa, I don’t have that and don’t track it very well)