BfromNJ Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 18 hours ago, ShiningLight said: Congratulations!!! So excited for you! 💜 Thank you! 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted December 14, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 14, 2020 Hi BfromNJ, You sound good. So that's good. What made you choose 85 mg as the dose to jump from? And then what day did you quit the Gabapentin. Today is the 14th of December. Could you add it to your signature, your quit date, and jumping off dose? On 12/12/2020 at 8:03 PM, BfromNJ said: I actually got down to 85 mg and jumped off from there. A bit of anxiety and ocd tendency kicked up some but its manageable. That was a dose that was split into 2 or 3 parts, wasn't it? Do you have some around still, just in case. I wouldn't be touching the other two, as far as tapering goes for a bit now, if I were you. It often, does take time, for things to settle post zero. Happy to hear you are doing okay. No other WD symptoms then, just a bit of manageable anxiety and OCD? That must be nice B. You were fairly struggling, and a lot before, so I am quadruple glad then. ❤️ Happy Holidays. L, P, H, and G, mmt 1 Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 6:49 PM, manymoretodays said: Hi BfromNJ, You sound good. So that's good. What made you choose 85 mg as the dose to jump from? And then what day did you quit the Gabapentin. Today is the 14th of December. Could you add it to your signature, your quit date, and jumping off dose? That was a dose that was split into 2 or 3 parts, wasn't it? Do you have some around still, just in case. I wouldn't be touching the other two, as far as tapering goes for a bit now, if I were you. It often, does take time, for things to settle post zero. Happy to hear you are doing okay. No other WD symptoms then, just a bit of manageable anxiety and OCD? That must be nice B. You were fairly struggling, and a lot before, so I am quadruple glad then. ❤️ Happy Holidays. L, P, H, and G, mmt Yes I need to update my signature. I have to look back at what date it was exactly. I chose to jump off because it just seemed right and I had heard that the lower doses is hard with gabapentin. And yes it was split into 3 doses so about 28 mg three times a day. I do have alot of powder left over just in case. I think alot also has to do with being in a good place with my personal situation as well. I moved, started a new job which I absolutely love. Still issues in the relationship department so Im leaving that be for now. Just stick with my pets. lol. Happy Holidays to you as well! 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted December 22, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2020 So good to hear that B. A lot of changes. Which sound to be good ones, after that adaptation period. And I hear you on the relationship issues. I think I'm in that same boat. ❤️ And sadly, minus pets for the time being. Lost a dear one late October. A cat, of course. Best, L, P, H, and G, mmt Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
Wagen Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 @BfromNJ Did your buzzing in head/ears resolve - Ive had in now for two months after stopping amitriptyline. It feels like very load electrical buzzing in my ears and head with intermittent tinnitus sounds in both ears. Im still taking mirtazapine and have horrible sleep problems. Could you please let me please know your experience. Thank you very much! August 2020 - Mirtazapine 30, Clonazepam 0.5 September 2020 - Changed to Amitriptyline 100, Olanzapine 10, Clonazepam 0.5 Tapered to 0 by December 2020 February 2021 - Mirtazapine 15 - rapid taper after 14 days of use. Supplements: fish oil and magnesium Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 @manymoretodays @brassmonkey @ChessieCat So I am now tapering my fluvoximine. 8n hindsight, I think I shoukd have waiting longer after finishing my gabapentin, but here I am. Lol. And I was bad about recording my first and second drops. But basically as of 3/7 I was at 10 mg (.052). This was a 20% drop. I made another drop of 10% on 4/1 at 9 mg (.046) . I'm gonna stay a while here as I feel off. But, I think I messed up in how I was cutting my med. Instead of crushing and weighing and recapsuling, I have been cutting them with a razor until I get to the right weight. But im not doing it evenly I guess. Just kinda cutting until I reach the weight off of whatever angle. If that makes sense? Is this wrong? Am I better off crushing for more evennesss at this low dose? I know many on here have used the razor cutting technique but is it done a more precise way than im doing? I appreciate anyone's input! Brassmonkey I think you did your whole taper with razor so I really wonder what you have to say on this? I hope you all are well and healthy during these crazy times. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted April 6, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2021 I started out cutting with a razor blade but switched to using the crushed pills because, for me it was easier. Either method is good, as long as you hit the desired weight for the dose. You definitely need to do a longer hold ATM to let that combined 30% drop settle out. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 2:20 PM, brassmonkey said: I started out cutting with a razor blade but switched to using the crushed pills because, for me it was easier. Either method is good, as long as you hit the desired weight for the dose. You definitely need to do a longer hold ATM to let that combined 30% drop settle out. Thanks brassmonkey i am gonna hold now. And I switched to crushing. Easier to measure out I think. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 @brassmonkey @manymoretodays So im not coping so well since starting my reduction of fluvoximine again. I have ocd and rumination along with anxiety. I guess the fluvoximine helped me with it more than I thought. Or I went too quick but I thought since I am on such a low dose to begin with that it couldn't be doing too much. I just did another 10% drop after waiting a month . I know i need to update my signature, but I did not write my drops down. Duh. I am now at 8.1 mg (.041 pill weight). I've had this uptick since end of January or so, which I guess coincides with my tapering again. It's been not constant like it is now though. I'm just wondering- if I did start this taper too soon after ending the gabapentin, what do I do? Can I go back up to my full 18.75 mg again and stay for a while? I really feel like anything less will not help my ocd. Or do I ride it out at the 8.1 mg for a long time now? Or just go up 10%? I dont want to kindle myself by going back up too high, but 8f I do can it be any worse than I feel now? Side effect wise im not sure i ever got much from this med, but hard to tell being poly drugged. God I hate this I was doing well. I appreciate the advice! 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted May 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2021 Hi B-- I'm sorry to hear that things are causing problems right now. Starting a second taper too soon after the first is really easy to do. Best thing is to regroup ad find a good place to hold until things settle down and stabilize. I would not go back to your full dose of 18.75mg. That would be way too much after having tapered for a while and really could trip off some kindling. Which is something you really don't want to happen. I would try a small updose to, say, 8.3 or 8.4 and see how that goes for a few weeks. Also if you could post your daily symptom journals it would really help. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, brassmonkey said: Hi B-- I'm sorry to hear that things are causing problems right now. Starting a second taper too soon after the first is really easy to do. Best thing is to regroup ad find a good place to hold until things settle down and stabilize. I would not go back to your full dose of 18.75mg. That would be way too much after having tapered for a while and really could trip off some kindling. Which is something you really don't want to happen. I would try a small updose to, say, 8.3 or 8.4 and see how that goes for a few weeks. Also if you could post your daily symptom journals it would really help. Thank you brassmonkey. Yeah I think I may go up to 9 again? My previous dose. I'm frustrated and fearful the only way to control my ocd situation is by medication. But I think its triggered by anxiety. I've been drinking coffee again and more of it which probably also doesn't help. I'm gonna cut that back tomorrow. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 To whomever decides to read this- So im holding my fluvoximine still at my last reduction. I did not go up I just decided to stay and see if things can level out. The things that give me anxiety are so silly. I recently got a haircut, after growing my hair for sooooo long. Alot cut. It had gotten severely damaged and alot fell out/thinned, I think from gabapentin. But im obsessing over it. Obsessing. But not in how it looks which is fine, but how it feels. Stupid I know. It annoys me, touches my neck, etc. But its like I don't know if my haircut is giving me anxiety or my anxiety is making me obsess about it. Its like a chicken egg thing. Lol. Which came first? 😏 I hate being this way again. I feel like im trapped in my own little hell. 😒 But I do not want to be medicated. Am I stuck being a person with ocd type anxiety forever? I have decided to try magnesium. In the past I feel like it worked against me but since I'm at a different place med wise, etc I thought I'd try it again. I ordered the glycinate. I will start with less than the recommended dosage and be mindful of my side effects. will also be starting work outs again but I will lean more towards pilates or yoga and walking. Another thing I am thinking is that maybe im also having hormonal issues. I believe I am in the throws of menopause. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 @brassmonkey @manymoretodays I do really feel that I restarted my fluvoximine taper too soon after finishing my gabapentin taper. Why was I in such a darn hurry? Over confidence I guess? I'm suffering now. I have added magnesium and it does seem to take the edge off. I may increase. Doing 50 mg am and 50 pm for now. Is it terrible to feel like I want to updose the fluvoximine to the 18.75 mg? This stinks. I started on 25 mg (lowest therapeutic dose) , cut it down to 18.75 about 8 weeks after I started it and I had held there I while (almost two years) then started to focus on the gabapentin taper. this past January I started to taper the 18.75 mg. Cutrentky i am at 8.1 mg (.041 pw) . I am really wondering if I need to go back up to the 18.75 and just stay there awhile. Thoughts? What negatives could result besides taking longer to get off? Maybe I shoukd go to like 12.5 mg? I'm not so concerned with rushing to get off now( lesson learned) I feel accomplished enough at this point with getting off gaba. I am sleeping ok. Appetite is so so, but I know its due to the anxiety. No physical symptoms to note. Its all just anxiety. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 To further add to the above, my other thought was to also maybe start taking my fluvoximine in the am? so I have it in me for the day versus at night? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted May 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2021 If you've gone from 18.75 to 8.1 since January than you've been tapering much too fast. That is what is causing the problems. Tapering at our fastest recommended rate you should be no lower than 11mgai right now. Going all the way back to 18.75 would probably cause a lot of problems. I would try a vary small updose to 9mgai and see how that goes for a few weeks, then adjust if necessary. I wouldn't go higher than 10mgai. Once things start to settle you will need to stabilize for several months before tapering again. When you do I would suggest a 10% Brassmonkey Slide. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, brassmonkey said: If you've gone from 18.75 to 8.1 since January than you've been tapering much too fast. That is what is causing the problems. Tapering at our fastest recommended rate you should be no lower than 11mgai right now. Going all the way back to 18.75 would probably cause a lot of problems. I would try a vary small updose to 9mgai and see how that goes for a few weeks, then adjust if necessary. I wouldn't go higher than 10mgai. Once things start to settle you will need to stabilize for several months before tapering again. When you do I would suggest a 10% Brassmonkey Slide. Thank you brassmonkey. I know ive gone too fast. I just figured this med was not doing much for me anyway, since I am on such a low dose (even to begin with). I figured updosing to such a small amount would not do much to help. But being I am so sensitized i could be wrong. I am hopeful it helps. i think I will do 10mg. is reinstatement out of reach for me at this point? that is if I felt i needed to be there? Man its so easy to get over confidant when you finally get off one with seemingly no issues. I wish i waited longer. shoulda coulda woulda i guess. Thank you again. I will be updosing to 10 mg tonight. One more thing, should i hold on the magnesium where I am for now? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 @brassmonkeyactually I have decided to hold of on taking magnesium right now, since I am updosing my fluvoximine. I think I may be one of these people who seem to have a paradoxl effect with it. I have been severely anxious the last two days, more so than usual and I had started the magnesium. I think others on this site have said it works against them as well? I have also cut back on my coffee intake. probably just do decaf . Another thought i had - I have been taking vitamin D for a few months now. Do you know anything about it possibly causing issues with anxiety and sensitivity? I will search the site but I was wondering if you could chime in on it. 20 hours ago, BfromNJ said: Thank you brassmonkey. I know ive gone too fast. I just figured this med was not doing much for me anyway, since I am on such a low dose (even to begin with). I figured updosing to such a small amount would not do much to help. But being I am so sensitized i could be wrong. I am hopeful it helps. i think I will do 10mg. is reinstatement out of reach for me at this point? that is if I felt i needed to be there? Man its so easy to get over confidant when you finally get off one with seemingly no issues. I wish i waited longer. shoulda coulda woulda i guess. Thank you again. I will be updosing to 10 mg tonight. One more thing, should i hold on the magnesium where I am for now? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted May 28, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 28, 2021 That sounds like a plan. Anxiety is one of those symptoms that comes and goes of it's own accord. There frequently isn't any kind of trigger, it just starts up, hangs around for a while and then fades. I've heard of other members having problems with vitamin D, but not a whole lot. If is seems to be causing problems, then yes cut back on it. Careful about making too many changes all at the same time, makes it hard to tell what was causing what. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 days since I have updosed my fluvoximine. I did the 10 mg. I think its going ok. I'd really like to go up again if I can. I feel this would benefit me at the moment. But I will wait a bit longer. I have also stopped the vitamin D in addition to the magnesium, which I had only taken a few days The magnesium was making me feel really weird. Tingly feet, etc. Strange sensations. I'm struggling right now with having motivation to work out, but im trying not to be hard on myself about it. I like pilates so im trying to do this everyday, since its gentler and not activating. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 So im curious about something. I have often wondered why it is that we struggle so badly with such low does of medications. When people (doctors mainly) say "oh you are on such a low dose you can just stop". Or "that low of a dose wont do anything for you or affect you". Things of that nature. Ive always only needed the lowest doses of meds, i am so sensitive to them. But they have always made me feel invalidated in this. My recent taper of fluvoximine was what got me thinking about this. I am on 10 mg now. Started at 25 which is the lowest prescribed dose (pediatric dosage as they say). So really how much can that small of a dose be doing? Can it actually even be still helping me at only 10 mg? I guess this is a matter of your system, how it metabolizes meds, etc etc etc. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Nomansland Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Hello @BfromNJ, here you can find informations about how powerfull even low doses of these drugs are. A good amount of receptors are still blocked on very low doses. I was also told "you already take a homeopathic dose". Its like doctors disagree to get themself educated about how these drugs work, sadly. Greetings ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2021 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk 2022 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk non-native speaker of english 2020: 3-March -> started Mirtazapine 15mg; 3-March to 6-April -> approx. cutting to 0 mg; 6-April to 20-April -> ~ 7,5 mg; 21-April to 31-April -> 15 mg; 1-May to 13-May -> ~ 10 mg (approx.); 15-May to 19-July -> 15 mg (psychosomatic clinic) 19-July -> started taper (scale and file) 14 mg (-6,6%); 08-August -> 12 mg (-14,3 %); 27-August -> 10 mg (-16,6 %); 15-September -> 8 mg (-20 %, bad idea, heavy WD); 23-September -> 10.2 mg (+20 %, 102 mgpw) 2021: 12-April to 12-May -> crossover from solid pill to DIY liquid (water only), 10.2 mg, not stable; 10-September -> back to crushing and weighing, still 10.2 mg (102 mgpw) 2022: 13-March -> changed to DIY liquid with suspension vehicle, 10.2 mg Supplements: 1 x ~125 mg magnesiumbiglycinate before bed, low histamine diet Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Nomansland said: Hello @BfromNJ, here you can find informations about how powerfull even low doses of these drugs are. A good amount of receptors are still blocked on very low doses. I was also told "you already take a homeopathic dose". Its like doctors disagree to get themself educated about how these drugs work, sadly. Greetings ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2021 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk Thank you! I appreciate it. Just what I need to read. 1 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 @brassmonkey @manymoretodays @ChessieCat I have been reading up on lavendar oil capsules. Seems many have luck with it. While I know supplements aren't recommended on here ( aside from mag and melatonin) , I am wondering if lavendar is ok to take with meds? I did do a search on here and see others have taken it, but online im not sure where to turn for interaction information. My symptoms now- I am having crippling anxiety in the am upon wakening. I wake early and cant get back to sleep. And obsessive thoughts through out the day. This huge set back has come after two attempts at getting my hair cut. I know this is silly, but im terribly unhappy with it and it gives me anxiety. I feel like its actually what triggered my set back. I suppose this is also part of my ocd tendencies. Its usually centered around my appearance, particularly my hair. I dont get it. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, BfromNJ said: @brassmonkey @manymoretodays @ChessieCat I have been reading up on lavendar oil capsules. Seems many have luck with it. While I know supplements aren't recommended on here ( aside from mag and melatonin) , I am wondering if lavendar is ok to take with meds? I did do a search on here and see others have taken it, but online im not sure where to turn for interaction information. My symptoms now- I am having crippling anxiety in the am upon wakening. I wake early and cant get back to sleep. And obsessive thoughts through out the day. This huge set back has come after two attempts at getting my hair cut. I know this is silly, but im terribly unhappy with it and it gives me anxiety. I feel like its actually what triggered my set back. I suppose this is also part of my ocd tendencies. Its usually centered around my appearance, particularly my hair. I dont get it. I also forgot to include theanine on this post as another one I was wondering about. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 @brassmonkey So its been 15 days since my updose of fluvoximine from 8.1 mg to 10 mg. I dont notice any kind of issues relating to it. Its pretty much the same as I had before I updosed. So I would like to do another one. Maybe to 12 mg? do people continue to updose till they feel they are maybe at a good spot to hold again for some time? I wish I could get back to the 18.75 I was at in January but I am not sure its realistic and seems counterproductive? but my ocd type of anxiety is really getting the better of me. And this anxiety upon waking in the am is terrible. Ive decided no supplements . I have stopped Vitamin D a few weeks ago. And was taking l theanine for about a week and it made me really depressed and out of sorts. I have also decided to stop my vitamin C, as i was reading that it can affect things, such as iron absorption, cause insomnia, etc. I believe excess iron build up can affect mood, etc? I have to be careful with that because hemacromatosis runs in my family. i was only taking it to help with immunity during covid. The only thing I will be taking is my probiotic. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 11, 2021 Going to 12mg would be a 20% increase, which would be quite large. I would try going to 11mg first and see how that goes for a few weeks if you really want to updose. Intense anxiety is a very common WD symptom that comes and goes as it likes. There really isn't much we can do about it but practice AAF and work around it. Trying to updose out of it probably won't work because it is so transient. You'll never know if it was the updose or just the anxiety deciding to give you a break. It's also quite possible that if the updose helps at first, the anxiety will be right back in a few weeks. then you are stuck on a higher dose and still have anxiety. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, brassmonkey said: Going to 12mg would be a 20% increase, which would be quite large. I would try going to 11mg first and see how that goes for a few weeks if you really want to updose. Intense anxiety is a very common WD symptom that comes and goes as it likes. There really isn't much we can do about it but practice AAF and work around it. Trying to updose out of it probably won't work because it is so transient. You'll never know if it was the updose or just the anxiety deciding to give you a break. It's also quite possible that if the updose helps at first, the anxiety will be right back in a few weeks. then you are stuck on a higher dose and still have anxiety. Hmmm. Well maybe I need to stay put. It's so hard when you have pressure from people In your life that say things like "well your feeling this again because you are going off your meds". Like if I go back on my original dose all will be good again. And it plays with my head. Like huh maybe I need it because I dont want to suffer forever. But nothing is a guarantee. I can go up even higher and it won't work. Or I can be kindled. And I cant afford therapy right now for my ocd and anxiety. What is AAF? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 12, 2021 AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float. Here's what I wrote about it on another thread, AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float. It's what you have to do when nothing else works, and can be a very powerful tool in coping with anxiety. The neuroemotional anxiety many of us feel during WD is directly caused by the drugs and their chemical reactions in the brain. Making it so there is nothing we can do about them. They won't respond to other drugs, relaxation techniques and the like. They do, however, react very well to being ignored. That's the concept behind AAF. Acknowledge, get to know the feeling involved, explore them. Accept, These feelings are a part of you and they aren't going anywhere fast. Float, let the feeling float off as you get on with your life as best as you can. It's a well documented fact that the more you feed in to anxiety the worse it gets. What starts as generalized neuroemotinal anxiety can be easily blown into a full fledged panic attack just by thinking about it. I often liken it to an unwanted house guest. At first you talk to them, have conversations, communicate with them. After a while you figure out that they aren't leaving and there is nothing you can do to get rid of them. So you go on about your day, working around them until they get bored and leave. It can take some practice, but AAF really does work. There is a lot of other information around the site, a site search on AAF will bring it up. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 3:59 PM, brassmonkey said: AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float. Here's what I wrote about it on another thread, AAF: Acknowledge, Accept, Float. It's what you have to do when nothing else works, and can be a very powerful tool in coping with anxiety. The neuroemotional anxiety many of us feel during WD is directly caused by the drugs and their chemical reactions in the brain. Making it so there is nothing we can do about them. They won't respond to other drugs, relaxation techniques and the like. They do, however, react very well to being ignored. That's the concept behind AAF. Acknowledge, get to know the feeling involved, explore them. Accept, These feelings are a part of you and they aren't going anywhere fast. Float, let the feeling float off as you get on with your life as best as you can. It's a well documented fact that the more you feed in to anxiety the worse it gets. What starts as generalized neuroemotinal anxiety can be easily blown into a full fledged panic attack just by thinking about it. I often liken it to an unwanted house guest. At first you talk to them, have conversations, communicate with them. After a while you figure out that they aren't leaving and there is nothing you can do to get rid of them. So you go on about your day, working around them until they get bored and leave. It can take some practice, but AAF really does work. There is a lot of other information around the site, a site search on AAF will bring it up. Thank you I will look into this more. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 @brassmonkey @manymoretodays My sleep is suffering. And I am wondering something. I am on fluvoximine and quietipine. These two interact in that fluvoximine can increase the levels of quietipine in the system. So, I am wondering if by lowering my fluvoximine this has affected my quietipine. Maybe the fluvoximine was giving the quietipine a boost? I can fall asleep, but i awake prematurely and just lay there with anxiety. I usually can fall back asleep. I think I am getting maybe 5 hours at this point. which one may say is good for withdraw but not when you are used to more. Last night was even worse because I was up at 1:30 and again at 4:30. I believe i fell asleep for a bit more at 1:30 until 4:30, but after 4:30 i just layed there. i used to look forward to going to bed, it was my refuse. Not so much anymore its just a chore now. Antother disturbing thing I noticed last night laying in bed - my foot moved on its own. It was not a twitch which I tend to get (more so on gabapentin), but move like an actually movement. It really disturbed me. it made me fearful that I am not developing tardive dykenisia (spelling?). Also, I have noticed for a few weeks, i have a vibration/shaking through my body. Its almost like i was riding in a very bumpy/loud car for a while and got out and its still affecting me. Not sure how else to describe it. I will maintain my fluvoximine as recommended and hope things settle. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/2/2021 at 2:23 PM, Nomansland said: Hello @BfromNJ, here you can find informations about how powerfull even low doses of these drugs are. A good amount of receptors are still blocked on very low doses. I was also told "you already take a homeopathic dose". Its like doctors disagree to get themself educated about how these drugs work, sadly. Greetings ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2021 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk So i was reading further on this point and thread. Thank you again for sharing. Its so interesting. And makes me feel validated that just because its such a small dose doesnt mean it isnt having a significant affect. 1 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 @brassmonkey or anyone else who wants to listen. My sleep is getting worse. Waking up even sooner (around 3:30 am) and not able to get back to sleep. I am in a panic at that point and now my mind is racing. I am having weird thoughts that are jumbled together and make no sense, almost like snipets of dreams or haulucinations with my eyes closed. Hard to explain. I also feel maybe I have some akathisia at this point, I am so aggitated . ocd is bad. what triggered all this ocd behavior again is getting a major haircut and i hate it. am obsessing over it. its what I panic about when i wake up. may sound silly but I cannot control it. I am seeking a therapist now. hope to do some CBT. I am being told by two family members that maybe i need to just go up in my fluvoximine because it is my ocd med and I do wonder if i need it. . And reinstating at my original dose may not work. but I am in a terrible way and I should not be over a haircut. but again, its out of my control. I literally cannot stop it. and its not even how it looks but how annoying it is to me (hanging in my face, blowing around, puffing out, annoying around my neck). I am wondering if I actually have some sensory issues (maybe mild autism?). I have a job i love, a house, great family. And I am miserable because of my hair. Its ludicris. But this i guess is par for the course with ocd. I am actually wondering if I maybe have BDD as well. But i dont obsess about my hair unless I get it cut. so weird. I am going on vacation in a few weeks to the beach and really wish i could just let go and enjoy myself and feel excited about it. But I am numb. Do i stay the course with my fluvoximine still at 10 mg (have been since 5/27 )? Or do i try an updose again? So, I feel like i am in a chicken and egg kind of situation - am i only feeling so bad now because of my drastic haircut or do i feel so bad about it because of my fluvoximine drops? In other words, if I had not cut my hair would I be suffering? I feel like it was a trigger? Please tell me Im not being silly. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 @brassmonkey So long story short I ended up inpatient again . I was in a bad state with obsessiveness and insomnia. Yes I know it was a mistake. The doctor did not change my meds. But he did increase my fluvoximine to 50 mg. In hindsight, I suppose I should have said 25 mg. I know what you all would say. That would have been a mistake too and I should have dealt with this all in a different way. I know this but I cant change it now Anyhow, I still could not sleep . So he did give me ambien. Took for two nights. So, I am now experiencing terrible tinnitus, agitation, fullness in my head. Just awful. I will not take the ambien anymore. My question is this- since I've only taken 50 mg of fluvoximine for 3 days, could I try and reduce down to 25 mg to see if it eases this? I know this goes against the 10% rule but its just 3 days. Its rough because I dont know if this is from the ambien or fluvoximine change. And yes I know this up and down with it is not good. So, that being said ambien will be no more. I was really just wondering what you thought about me going to 25 mg of fluvoximine. Thank you for all you do. And if anything maybe I can be a lesson for someone else in what not to do. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sorry to hear that you had to go "inside" for a while. No recriminations, you did what you thought was right. There isn't much we can do about the meds they give us in there, we can just try to control the damage as best we can. The three days at 50 shouldn't be much of a problem, but will cause some instability for a while. Trying to stay at 25 is going to be well over a 100% updose and could cause some strong reactions. Just because of the recent changes you will probably be unstable for a while also. You might try 15 if the 10 isn't working. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 10 hours ago, brassmonkey said: Sorry to hear that you had to go "inside" for a while. No recriminations, you did what you thought was right. There isn't much we can do about the meds they give us in there, we can just try to control the damage as best we can. The three days at 50 shouldn't be much of a problem, but will cause some instability for a while. Trying to stay at 25 is going to be well over a 100% updose and could cause some strong reactions. Just because of the recent changes you will probably be unstable for a while also. You might try 15 if the 10 isn't working. Right now i am still taking the 50. So 4 days now. So you are saying I could go back down to my 10 or 15 dose? I didnt think I could even do that at this point. I'm feeling very unwell right now. And I have a vacation coming up in a week. Do you think if I stay on the 50 for a bit and start from scratch (with tapering) I may adjust to it? I am so afraid to upset the apple cart. I'm just trying to figure out whats best, even if I am starting all over again. 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 @brassmonkey So im not doing well on this 50 mg fluvoximine. I am having very disturbing thoughts. Not me at all and its scaring me. I know its the med. Could this be a adverse reaction due to higher dose? Not comfortable with this at all. Of course doctor is not calling back. So do I just stop it or go with the 10 mg, where my taper was? 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
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