Longroadhome: think I may be tapering Seroxat / Paxil too fast

[Longroadhome]

On 6/6/2020 at 12:49 AM, Cocopuffz17 said:

Awesome! It will challenge everything we are taught about nutrition. It is a very informative book and helped me greatly. I look back now and kind of smack my head abit and am like...well of course the food I put in my body effects it.... it is what builds my body! 

 

I had extreme sensitivity to deodorant and would get pizza size rashes under my armpits when I would apply it. I also had full body rashes from some food I would eat. Both these are related to the high inflammation my body had from long term medication use. I also had erythema multiforme for 2 weeks way back in 2011 and that was awful. 

 

Yes, I tried 2 times to cold turkey this medication... literally went rage crazy. I could not control any of my emotions. The third time was a guided taper by my psychiatrist and I was unable to function after about 6 weeks of tapering. So I chalked it up to the return of the original symptoms and assumed I'd never get off the medication as I was told I needed it for life. This time... the 4th and last time. I made nutritional changes and felt the best I have ever felt in my life and know everything I went through coming off of it is withdrawal. 

 

You have a great weekend as well  

Hi could coco 

hope the weekend was good for you 

did you go on the diet before or during your taper and are you still on it ? 

[Cocopuffz17]

16 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

Hi could coco 

hope the weekend was good for you 

did you go on the diet before or during your taper and are you still on it ? 

Hey LRH!

 

My weekend was decent. I had a decent amount of headaches/tinnitus so I just took it easy. How was yours?

 

I started this lifestyle 1 month before I tapered. I had no intention of tapering to begin with. But the way I felt with changing my nutrition I knew I would get off this medication. I felt the best I have ever felt in my life.... ever in the 4-5 weeks after starting this nutrition plan. 

[Longroadhome]

6 hours ago, Cocopuffz17 said:

Hey LRH!

 

My weekend was decent. I had a decent amount of headaches/tinnitus so I just took it easy. How was yours?

 

I started this lifestyle 1 month before I tapered. I had no intention of tapering to begin with. But the way I felt with changing my nutrition I knew I would get off this medication. I felt the best I have ever felt in my life.... ever in the 4-5 weeks after starting this nutrition plan. 

Thank you for reply my weekend was spent with the family and it was good 

do you still stick to the diet 100%  ? 

[Cocopuffz17]

17 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

Thank you for reply my weekend was spent with the family and it was good 

do you still stick to the diet 100%  ? 

 

That's awesome! Glad you got some family time! 

 

I am around 99%. There was a few days months back where I would eat some fast food and consume wine. I felt like absolute trash after that.  So I stopped doing that in general. I am very strict now. I notice I feel like trash as soon as I slip off the nutrition plan. I will do it as long as is needed to get get through PAWS. 

[sunnysideup69]

Hey @Longroadhome, just dropping by to say hello and how are you?? 

[Longroadhome]

59 minutes ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Hey @Longroadhome, just dropping by to say hello and how are you?? 

Hi Sunny 

thank you for asking

up and down but moving forward all the same . 
how are you ? 
by the way my emails to mutual friend bouncing back unanswered strange isn’t it ? 
have a good weekend 

LRH 

[sunnysideup69]

30 minutes ago, Longroadhome said:

Hi Sunny 

thank you for asking

up and down but moving forward all the same . 
how are you ? 
by the way my emails to mutual friend bouncing back unanswered strange isn’t it ? 
have a good weekend 

LRH 

 

Glad you're moving forward, similar here, too. Doing okay over here, less windows this week but still alright.

That is VERY weird, re the emails. I do hope all is well in bonny Scotland.

[Melissa03]

+1 From me for diet changes. I changed to anti inflammation diet- I cut off anything that can cause inflammations- gluten,diary,sugar ,procesed fast food,I avoid also caffeine and alcohol,and I noticed improvements.

[Longroadhome]

On 6/12/2020 at 2:58 PM, Melissa03 said:

+1 From me for diet changes. I changed to anti inflammation diet- I cut off anything that can cause inflammations- gluten,diary,sugar ,procesed fast food,I avoid also caffeine and alcohol,and I noticed improvements.

Has this worked for you Melissa ? 
I have the plant paradox book and slowly getting ingredients and kitchen gadgets from shops to start. 
I will do it for 4 weeks from next Monday and see how I feel 

how are you ? 

[Longroadhome]

@Altostrata

hello there hope you are keeping well. 
Can I please ask a question . 
 

this week speaking to others on this site has made me question whether I am experiencing windows and waves . 
Up until today I have questioned this believing that better days I have are due to how I react to symptoms . And that I have not experienced windows and waves up to now.  
however now I’m wondering. 
today has been a good day for me. Symptoms are laying low and I’ve managed to do everything on my to do list easily . Depression and anxiety are low and I’m feeling dare I say pretty ok. 
days like this Come every two to three  weeks inbetween some very bleak horrid days. 
Would you consider this a window even though symptoms are still there but low and not just that the symptoms are not bothering me so much today ? 
thank you Alto x

Ps might be worth mentioning I’m a very sceptical person even when not in WD .

[Longroadhome]

Just needed to write this down to return to and read when needed. 
My symptoms are very much in line with WD normal for a few months now . But today a pain came  in the back of my head and I started to catastrophes.
after two hours my anxiety went a little haywire thinking what’s going on now... ? 

problem resolved when I realised my hair clip was in too tight ...! Pain went when hair clip was taken out!!  

 

and the moral

Of this  story 

It’s amazing what a sensitised CNS can lead you to believe ... 

 

it has also shown me how reactive my anxiety is at the moment to thoughts 

 

 

[Altostrata]

That sounds like windows and waves to me.

 

You've only recently reduced Paxil again. Paxil stands out as an extraordinarily difficult drug to taper.

[Erell]

2 hours ago, Longroadhome said:Would you consider this a window even though symptoms are still there but low and not just that the symptoms are not bothering me so much today ? 

 

 

As Rhiannon once told me to try to explain the process : "waves and Windows " are only a metaphor. 

It just means that aall the complex work our brain has to make is about ups and downs.

😉

 

Take care ❤

[Longroadhome]

23 minutes ago, Erell said:

 

As Rhiannon once told me to try to explain the process : "waves and Windows " are only a metaphor. 

It just means that aall the complex work our brain has to make is about ups and downs.

😉

 

Take care ❤

Thank you Erell

how are you ? 

[Longroadhome]

4 hours ago, Altostrata said:

That sounds like windows and waves to me.

 

You've only recently reduced Paxil again. Paxil stands out as an extraordinarily difficult drug to taper.

Thank you for reply Alto

as you say it is very difficult tapering from this drug. 
my plan is to wait until Christmas when I will be down to 3mg . Brass monkey said he started to feel better once he was down to 3mg of Paxil so I’m going to see if the lower I get the better I feel .  If my symptoms have not decreased at all  I will then bridge to Prozac. 
I believe I will need half the amount of Prozac so 1.5mg. Is this right ? 
if all goes well I’ll have approx a year to taper off . 
 

I would appreciate your thoughts on this idea? 
 

As always thank you so much for your continued support . 
 

[Altostrata]

Yes, I would cross-taper to a somewhat lower amount of Prozac to start.

[sunnysideup69]

11 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

 

and the moral

Of this  story 

It’s amazing what a sensitised CNS can lead you to believe ... 

 

it has also shown me how reactive my anxiety is at the moment to thoughts 

 

Oh my gosh, LRH, I could have written this, two weeks ago I found a 'black mole' that had appeared overnight near my belly button. I went into complete meltdown because after googling, I was convinced it was a melanoma and I was dying. I even had a GP video call the next day so she could check it out, she said it just looked like a mole, but i was unconvinced. Later that day I noticed it had gone flatter and seemed to be drying up.

The next day, the 'melanoma' had fallen off...turned out to be a blood blister where a little red mole has been rubbing my belt 🥴

[Longroadhome]

54 minutes ago, sunnysideup69 said:

 

Oh my gosh, LRH, I could have written this, two weeks ago I found a 'black mole' that had appeared overnight near my belly button. I went into complete meltdown because after googling, I was convinced it was a melanoma and I was dying. I even had a GP video call the next day so she could check it out, she said it just looked like a mole, but i was unconvinced. Later that day I noticed it had gone flatter and seemed to be drying up.

The next day, the 'melanoma' had fallen off...turned out to be a blood blister where a little red mole has been rubbing my belt 🥴

It’s amazing how we can quickly turn nothing into something sunny! 
hows your week going ? 

[sunnysideup69]

5 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

It’s amazing how we can quickly turn nothing into something sunny! 
hows your week going ? 

 Monday and yesterday were weird. Real dip in mood. Am in a window today - hoping this might stretch into a few days  How are you?

 

[Longroadhome]

2 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

 Monday and yesterday were weird. Real dip in mood. Am in a window today - hoping this might stretch into a few days  How are you?

 

That sounds good 👍 I understand when you say about a real dip in mood . Sometimes it feels like milder version of bipolar to me . That’s how I know it’s chemical and not “me”

I had a good day yesterday . This morning was ok and this afternoon a bit of a dip . But I’ve split with my partner of. 8 years so I know lately this has definitely affected WD Symptoms for me . And I know it has today because I’m having a wobble and feeling sad. 
they say no added stress during WD But you can’t help the stress from a break up . 
but I have my family to distract me and work of course. 
and best of all my granddaughter 😊

hope your window today is bright and shiny !!! 

 

[Longroadhome]

This evening I have been calm and relaxed.  

I got home from work and sat in the garden. The sun was shining and I had a nice cup of tea and read a little. 
inbetween I tended the garden and watered my plants. 
it felt so good. 

 

 

[Hanna72]

That’s such a good read😃So happy for you. Hold on to this feeling, and be sure of getting so many more.
Enjoy💖

[Longroadhome]

5 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

That’s such a good read😃So happy for you. Hold on to this feeling, and be sure of getting so many more.
Enjoy💖

Thank you Hanna 

I know for sure we will all find permanent peace 

onward and upward 😉

[sunnysideup69]

20 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

This evening I have been calm and relaxed.  

I got home from work and sat in the garden. The sun was shining and I had a nice cup of tea and read a little. 
inbetween I tended the garden and watered my plants. 
it felt so good. 

 

 

That's a window ❤️ I'm so happy for you! 

[Longroadhome]

21 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

That's a window ❤️ I'm so happy for you! 

Hi @sunnysideup69

 

thank you 😊 

ive had a couple of better days !! 
such a strange feeling.. 

glad to hear your stabilising you can commence your taper soon !! 
have a lovely weekend with your parents 

Hope all goes well 

And hope your online meeting went well today too 

take care 

LRH

[Longroadhome]

@AltostrataJust to report a little update . 
Im definitely in withdrawal normal as my symptoms have been the same for a while now with no major swings . I was having terrible swings from August last year 2019  through to February this year 2020 with Lots of symptoms coming and going . 
started my taper again in February 2020. So strange that symptoms haven’t really ramped up because of taper ? 
the only thing I’m experiencing is a surge in anxiety during the fourth week of my taper that lasts 2/3 weeks before dissipating . 
Last few weeks things are changing . Can feel a slight shift towards improvement or could be in a window . Anyway whatever it is I’ll take it ! 
so strange to feel slight improvement Don’t know what to make of it ? 
can this happen during taper of Paxil. I have also been in long term poop out . 
frightened to report an improvement in case I lose it again . This normal too? 
thanks Alto 

[Altostrata]

Yes, this can happen. It means your system has adapted to the lower dose of Paxil.

 

1 hour ago, Longroadhome said:

the only thing I’m experiencing is a surge in anxiety during the fourth week of my taper that lasts 2/3 weeks before dissipating . 

 

This is concerning. What are your intervals between dosage reductions?

[Longroadhome]

14 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, this can happen. It means your system has adapted to the lower dose of Paxil.

 

 

This is concerning. What are your intervals between dosage reductions?

Doing the brass monkey taper 4 weeks decreasing by 2.5% each week to total of 10% of current dose then holding for 2 weeks before repeating the pattern . So decreasing over a 6week period By 10% of current dose. 
Anxiety lower level Last decrease  but high two  times before.
take Seroxat 8:30am every morning . Liquid form accurate dose. 
thank  you Alto 

[Altostrata]

Sounds like you're doing well enough. Please let us know how it goes.

[Longroadhome]

1 minute ago, Altostrata said:

Sounds like you're doing well enough. Please let us know how it goes.

Will do and thank you 

ps can’t say thank you enough. So grateful to you for all that you do. 

[Melissa03]

Congrats on reaching 5 mg!

[Longroadhome]

2 minutes ago, Melissa03 said:

Congrats on reaching 5 mg!

Thank you Melissa 

5.4mg to be exact !! 😊

How are you ? 

[Melissa03]

I haven't started my taper yet,but when I do,I plan to use B slide like you .I hope it will be manageable. Still a bit scared since my horrible experience recently. I am sometimes ok,sometimes low,sometimes having trouble sleeping,but holding.

[Longroadhome]

2 hours ago, Melissa03 said:

I haven't started my taper yet,but when I do,I plan to use B slide like you .I hope it will be manageable. Still a bit scared since my horrible experience recently. I am sometimes ok,sometimes low,sometimes having trouble sleeping,but holding.

Hold until you feel like you’ve reached withdrawal normal. Not symptom free basically same symptoms day in day out with no big swings 

you’ll get there Melissa 

and yes this journey is scary so use this site when you can to share concerns that others may be able to help you with

take care and keep in touch  

[Hanna72]

@Longroadhome

Just thought of you

Sending good vibes your way

Hugs to you 💖

[Longroadhome]

Thank you  @Hanna72

 

how are you ? 
 

sending good vibes right back to you too