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Hannahe
1 hour ago, Adili13 said:

This whole process makes all our fears run rampant. Today it’s akathisia, tomorrow it’s something else. At least that’s what it’s like for me. I think all we can do is recognize what’s in our control and what isn’t and take one step at a time. We’ll get there :). For what it’s worth, you may never get akathisia and might just be adding unneeded fear. But if you do, you’ll get through it.

 

Anthony 

I sure hope... I’ve had some inner restlessness the past couple nights along with insomnia. It’s like a wave of something that runs through my whole body and makes me have to take deep breaths every few minutes. The few times I did dose off it woke me up. Whatever it is, I hope it goes away. I hope it all does. 

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Adili13

It will. Just try not to read into it too much. I’ve had those exact same symptoms. The only thing predictable about all of this is that things WILL change. Nothing stays the same 

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Hannahe

Can someone tell me what a good and inexpensive pill scale is? I’m at the point I need it. 

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Gridley
1 hour ago, Hannahe said:

Can someone tell me what a good and inexpensive pill scale is? I’m at the point I need it. 

 

Many members, myself included, use the Gemini-20 scale from AWS, available on Amazon.  Not expensive.

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Adili13

Did you order your Gemini yet? I ordered one but have decided on a liquid mixture. If you want, I’ll sell it to you for half of what I paid and ship it to you. Let me know.

 

Anthony 

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Hannahe

I ordered it. Thank you though. I don’t think I’m using it right.. I’ve just been eyeing to see if stuff is the same size. 

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Hannahe

This is so tough. It’s been four months and I’m still in hell. I’m still trying to get off the morning buspar. I want to be done with this med. I don’t even know if I will ever get off Zoloft. This is a nightmare. I just want to die. 

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Hannahe

Okay so once I stabilize from this cold turkey and rapid taper... I can start tapering again. 

 

How long in reality is it going to take for 10% reductions. I think I calculated it right, but it seems like that’s way too long...

 

2.5 mg of buspar at night only 

 

50mg Zoloft 

 

 

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ChessieCat

It will depend on how low you need to go before you jump.

 

I realise that it seems like a long time, however, when reducing it is better to think in terms of how much we have reduced the drug, not how much longer it is going to take.

 

I have been tapering off 100g Pristiq for 3 years 5 months.  I am now down to 3.25mg and I've still got at least another 2 years to go.  But I'd rather get off my drug with minimal discomfort than to risk reducing too quickly and end up suffering unnecessarily.

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Hannahe
12 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

It will depend on how low you need to go before you jump.

 

I realise that it seems like a long time, however, when reducing it is better to think in terms of how much we have reduced the drug, not how much longer it is going to take.

 

I have been tapering off 100g Pristiq for 3 years 5 months.  I am now down to 3.25mg and I've still got at least another 2 years to go.  But I'd rather get off my drug with minimal discomfort than to risk reducing too quickly and end up suffering unnecessarily.

I calculated about ten years for both, but that seems like a long time? After I stabilize of course... which could take another few years in itself. 

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Gridley
14 hours ago, Hannahe said:

How long in reality is it going to take for 10% reductions.

 

Using the 10% reduction every four weeks, you will go down by half of your current dose every six months.  Taking your 50mg Zoloft as an example, once you start tapering you would be down to 25mg in six months, 12.5mg in another six months, etc.  Of course, when you get down to the very small doses, the half become less and will seem very slow.

 

ChessieCat has given good advice about how to think about the taper and the time it takes.  

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Hannahe
On 5/25/2019 at 11:27 AM, Gridley said:

 

Using the 10% reduction every four weeks, you will go down by half of your current dose every six months.  Taking your 50mg Zoloft as an example, once you start tapering you would be down to 25mg in six months, 12.5mg in another six months, etc.  Of course, when you get down to the very small doses, the half become less and will seem very slow.

 

ChessieCat has given good advice about how to think about the taper and the time it takes.  

That makes sense! Should I do a more aggressive taper with my buspar since I’ve been on it such a short time? I started tapering after 2 1/2 weeks of use and it’s been 3 months. Now at 2.5 mg at night only 

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Gridley
44 minutes ago, Hannahe said:

Should I do a more aggressive taper with my buspar since I’ve been on it such a short time?

 

I wouldn't recommend a more aggressive taper.  Though you've only been on the Buspar three months, that's enough for your body to react to a too-rapid decrease. If you go too fast and become destabilized, you could end up having to updose and as a result the taper will take a lot longer than if you'd stayed at the 10% rate.  Two other arguments against speeding up the Buspar taper: (1) you're still reeling from the Wellbutrin CT  and (2) it's at the lower doses that we have to be especially careful.


How are your symptoms now?  

 

Could you put the dates, doses and taper rates for your Buspar taper in your signature?  Here's the link:
 
 

Here's the user's manual for the Gemini-20 scale.  It's better to use the scale than eyeball it.

AWS GEMINI-20 USER MANUAL Pdf Download. - ManualsLib

 

 

 

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Hannahe

I have that scale. I just started using it. 

 

Is it okay that I’m only taking it at night time? I weaned off the morning dose. 

 

it will take about 2 years to wean off the rest of this with 10% reductions. 

 

I don't really know my taper rate. I guess I just did it when I felt like I could? And I wasn’t using a scale until now, but I don’t know how to convert properly from mg into g or whatever. I will look at the manual though. 

 

I have been really good the fast few days. Almost normal, but that terrifies me. I know it can always get worse again. 

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Hannahe
On 5/26/2019 at 9:22 PM, ChessieCat said:

I tapered down to nothing on my morning buspar dose and gonna do the 10% reductions once I feel like I can on my night time dose, like you guys have said. 

 

Considering buspar is supposed to be taken 2-3 times a day, do you think I will have an issue? 

 

Its like im withdrawing from not having it in my system throughout the day and then putting it back into my system at night. I don’t want to reinstate the morning dose, but I want this to be as smooth as possible from hear on out. 

 

What are are your thoughts? 

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ChessieCat

Please provide 3 days of daily symptom notes which will help to work out if you are experiencing interdose withdrawal.

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Hannahe
23 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Please provide 3 days of daily symptom notes which will help to work out if you are experiencing interdose withdrawal.

Well I am already experiencing withdrawal from my cold turkey. I have been feeling a bit better the past few days, but I will write those down and get them to you. 

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Altostrata

Did you cold turkey the morning Buspar? What are your symptoms?

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Hannahe
1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Did you cold turkey the morning Buspar? What are your symptoms?

No the Wellbutrin was cold turkeyed. I tapered the morning buspar. Symptoms have been very light the past few days. Think I’m in a window. 

 

But regular symptoms are crying spells blurry vision, brain fog, dp/dr, fatigue sometimes dizzy and nerve burning.

 

im just worried that since buspar is supposed to be taken 2-3 times a day, that I screwed up dropping the morning dose and stayed at 2.5 mg at night. 

 

Im gonna do 10% reductions on the night time does as chessie cat suggested. Take about 1 1/2 years to get off. I just hope it doesn’t cause issues being on one dose, since it’s not constantly in my system. 

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Altostrata

Hannah, when did you go off Wellbutrin? Was in in March?

 

Since you went off Wellbutin, have your symptoms been getting better? Or the same?

 

Don't worry about the night-time Buspar, lots of people take it only once a day.

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Hannahe
1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Hannah, when did you go off Wellbutrin? Was in in March?

 

Since you went off Wellbutin, have your symptoms been getting better? Or the same?

 

Don't worry about the night-time Buspar, lots of people take it only once a day.

I got off in January and the reinstated and had a terrible adverse reaction and went into the hospital and they cold turkeyed me again feb 19th. 

 

Im not as dizzy as I was and I haven’t been nauseous or vomiting. No more light sensitivity and a few other symptoms left like the terror and stuff. 

 

Still have the other ones though. Since it’s only been 3 months off, I know it could always get worse, which I’m afraid of....

 

also so nervous about being able to stabilize. I was on 100mg of Zoloft for ten years and a year ago I abruptly cut it in half. How does someone stabilize on half the dose they’re accustomed too? If I do stabilize, I want to be able to stay there for a while without poop out or tolerance withdrawal (couple years possibly) before I taper again. 

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Altostrata

Please don't worry, you're doing well at 3 months. You are stabilizing. Recovery from a rough withdrawal is very slow, I know it can be very frustrating.

 

Now that you're not taking Buspar in the morning, how do you feel in the first part of the day?

 

After you take Zoloft in the morning, do you have any funny feelings that might be from the drug? How about the Buspar at night?

 

The drugs are very strong, it could very well be that 50mg Zoloft is plenty now. Don't worry about poop-out, it may never happen.

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Hannahe
10 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Please don't worry, you're doing well at 3 months. You are stabilizing. Recovery from a rough withdrawal is very slow, I know it can be very frustrating.

 

Now that you're not taking Buspar in the morning, how do you feel in the first part of the day?

 

After you take Zoloft in the morning, do you have any funny feelings that might be from the drug? How about the Buspar at night?

 

The drugs are very strong, it could very well be that 50mg Zoloft is plenty now. Don't worry about poop-out, it may never happen.

I don’t really have anything going on in the am. I get up the same time everyday. Umm sometimes I feel like my vision is off in the am, but it could just be me? The weather is affecting me a lot more now than it used too. I feel like my mornings are getting better? 

 

At night I get a mild headache after taking the 2.5 of buspar, but that’s all I really notice. After I take it I’m in bed, so I wouldn’t notice too much anyway I don’t think. 

 

Also I forgot to mention that when the bupropion was reinstated the doctor put me on Xanax. I used it for about 6 weeks and started tapering after 2 weeks of use and got down to a small amount and stopped it when they cold turkeyed me off the bupropion again. I was in the hospital when this happened. 

 

I should probably stabilize before I taper anymore, right? 

 

Im just worried that the buspar messes with the D2 receptor and I don’t want a movement disorder, so it makes me nervous being on it. 

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Altostrata

Please don't worry about your D2 receptors.

 

I'm more concerned with the headache you get after taking Buspar. When did this start? Did it always cause this side effect?

 

You seem to be doing very well, Hannah!

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puthappinessfirst

Hey Hannahe,

 

Just stopping by to say hi! You've been through a lot but you're actually doing quite well, it seems. 

You will definitely make it through this, just don't let your fears run rampant! 

Easier said than done, I KNOW. 

 

❤️ 

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Hannahe
37 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Please don't worry about your D2 receptors.

 

I'm more concerned with the headache you get after taking Buspar. When did this start? Did it always cause this side effect?

 

You seem to be doing very well, Hannah!

I feel like it has been there the entire time and since other symptoms have not as severe the past couple weeks, it’s just more noticeable. 

 

Im getting around a little better, but as you know it’s not always as easy. /: 

 

also had another question. I got the genesight test done and it says I don’t mix well with ssri’s. However it said that if I was gonna take an ssri Zoloft would be my best choice (which I’m already on) but I would need a higher dose in order for it to work. I just don’t want those genes to contribute to making this more difficult getting off/ or more painful. 

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Hannahe
37 minutes ago, puthappinessfirst said:

Hey Hannahe,

 

Just stopping by to say hi! You've been through a lot but you're actually doing quite well, it seems. 

You will definitely make it through this, just don't let your fears run rampant! 

Easier said than done, I KNOW. 

 

❤️

Thank you for stopping in! 

 

Yes, it is hard to put a leash around this chaotic thing (my brain) and try and control the worries/fears. I appreciate your words. I believe I will make it through too. It’s easier to believe that when you are in a window, I think. Haha! 

 

Just hoping once stabilization happens, tapering the rest of these meds won’t be as Difficult as this has been. I know this was a cold turkey case, but I’ve heard that after a cold turkey, if you withdrawal again it would be worse. I guess everyone is different though.

 

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puthappinessfirst
11 minutes ago, Hannahe said:

Just hoping once stabilization happens, tapering the rest of these meds won’t be as Difficult as this has been. I know this was a cold turkey case, but I’ve heard that after a cold turkey, if you withdrawal again it would be worse. I guess everyone is different though.

 

 

It won't be. You have gained a lot of knowledge to prepare you for your taper. Many people don't have this knowledge and insight and crash because they are using methods from their doctors, who are moving them along way too fast. If you just listen to your body, you'll be alright. I have a CT under my belt too, but I know my taper will be ok as long as I don't try to rush it. 

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Altostrata

Don't worry about genesight, its results don't have any bearing on tapering.

 

Buspar has always given you a headache? In a bit, we should talk about reducing the remaining Buspar dose.

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Hannahe
27 minutes ago, puthappinessfirst said:

 

It won't be. You have gained a lot of knowledge to prepare you for your taper. Many people don't have this knowledge and insight and crash because they are using methods from their doctors, who are moving them along way too fast. If you just listen to your body, you'll be alright. I have a CT under my belt too, but I know my taper will be ok as long as I don't try to rush it. 

Thank you. 

 

And yes. A LOT of new knowledge! 

 

Unfortunately, I am in this big mess because of doctors, and I will never listen to them again when it comes to this... or probably anything else honestly. This just did it for me. Going holistic after I free myself of these drugs. 

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Hannahe
18 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Don't worry about genesight, its results don't have any bearing on tapering.

 

Buspar has always given you a headache? In a bit, we should talk about reducing the remaining Buspar dose.

I know you said not to worry about poop out, but  you don’t think that since genesight says I need more Zoloft in order for it to work, that I have a higher chance of it? 

 

Yeah I would love to be off buspar. That’s for sure... I calculated about 18 months to get off at 2.5mg at 10% reductions. 

 

Hopefully I’m doing the calculations right. 

 

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Hannahe

Just found out there is another buspar shortage! My pharmacy said teva says about mid June to July for restock, but who knows! If that’s the case, I will have enough, but if it’s not Idk how I’m gonna swing it. If I can get tomorrow’s script I will have about enough for 5-6 months. That would be a quick taper, but what choice do I have? 

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ChessieCat

From my life experience (I'm 61 years old) I have learned that it is silly worrying about something that may never happen.

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Hannahe
20 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

From my life experience (I'm 61 years old) I have learned that it is silly worrying about something that may never happen.

Yes, you are right, but I just want to have some sort of game plan if it does. I know it’s been an on going issue with the buspar. 

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Hannahe
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I woke up yesterday and instantly started crying and rocking back and forth. Then I started shaking my legs to the point they were vibrating. 

 

I went to lay down and just felt like total crap. Then time for bed came around and hell broke loose. 

 

I had this terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach and I had to keep taking deep breaths in order to endure it. Every time I dosed off, That terrible feeling woke me back up. I got out of bed to cry a few times and rock back and forth. 

I got no sleep. 

 

It stopped, but I still have a sick feeling in my stomach from it.

 

is this akathisia? I was told it was a mild

case. What do I do? How long can this last? 

 

 

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