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I send you hugs, @getofflex  It's so hard to have this double whammy of w/d plus menopause.  Please know I'm thinking of you--

Arbor ☘️🕊️💜

Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

Levothyroxine: 2000 - 

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I personally find my WD journey like being on a roller coaster ride that is totally wild and unpredictable, and one that I cannot get off of, I just have to stay on the ride and tough it out.  I'm in

I just did another dose reduction to 0.06 mg liquid Lexapro.  I have been reasonably stable for the past couple of weeks, and it's been a little over 7 weeks since my previous dose reduction, so I fee

I also want to add I think a lot of my symptoms, which are hot flashes and anxiety, and maybe even the occasional sleepless night, are not due to WD.  The hot flashes are probably due to menopause, an

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Hello my dear friend,

 

I have no doubt that hormonal shifts from menopause might destabilise you : in fact a lot of members report this. Menopausal changes also affect the autonomic nervous system as well as all other hormonal systems.

You're not alone ❤

(I've seen @sunnysideup69 and @Hanna72 mentionning their experiences recently)

 

 

But all the healing that had taken place isn't gone, and it doesn't mean that you won't be able to taper.

It just means that during this hormonal transitional phase you might need to more rest and calm, and longer holds to make sure you respect the rythm of your body. 

Perhaps now is not a good time to taper and you might want to wait to feel you're in a better place and give some rest to your nervous system.

 

I'm thinking of you and send you my support ❤

2006 : 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam

2014-June2017 : Switch from Bromazepam to Prazepam, taper to 0.

2018 to August 2019 : Paxil 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22 Aug 2019 updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paxil. 

April 2020 : Paxil 10mg to Prozac 7mg bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

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* 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

* Prozac : 6.8 mg (15 Sept 2021)/ 6.88mg (14 Aug 2021)/ 6.92mg (23 Jun 2021)

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@arborand @Erellthank you for your support and kind words.  I am still in this wave.  I'm working on radical acceptance of it, so as not to add to the pain.  I believe that it was triggered by several factors:  the hilly 3 mile hike, stress from my son being crabby and demanding when he was home a week ago, my hormones, and possibly the shift from summer to fall that is happening here.  I'm actually post menopausal, but the hot flashes are very frequent - at times every 30 to 45 minutes.  My sleep is pretty minimal at this point.  Interestingly, I was awake from about 1 Am to about 5 AM, which was probably the time my son got in trouble.  I believe that a part of me sensed that he was in trouble, and this kept me awake.  This is unlike my usual insomnia pattern, which is a hard time going to sleep at night.  Instead, I fell asleep pretty quickly, but then couldn't say asleep.  

 

I'm also working on looking at the big picture and seeing things in perspective.  This wave is not as bad as when I was in early withdrawal several years ago.  We just got a call from our son this morning, he had a brush with the law last night.  He and his buddies got pulled over and he got a citation for underage drinking, and they found marijuana in the car his buddy was driving, so more stress.  I'm focusing on being thankful that this won't go on his permanent record, and he didn't spend the night in jail.  

 

Another technique I'm using is reframing.  I'm trying to see this as the Lord using pain to cause me to grow spiritually, and become stronger.  I'm using gratitude.  I'm thankful my son wasn't in a fatal accident.  I'm trying to see the silver lining in the dark cloud by realizing that at least I'm farther along in my recovery than I was in the previous wave, and this will be one less wave I have to go through.  

 

I'm also changing the channel when the anxious or dark thoughts appear in my mind.  Any support or encouragement would be very helpful, thank you.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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Dear @getofflex--You've got a lot going on--especially when you're in a wave. 💗 I'm moved by your dedication to working through the challenges,  and finding meaning in the difficulties.  It takes so much inner fortitude to reframe and not go under when we're trying to deal with things and the wave is upon us.  Thank you for sharing.  Please know I'm thinking of you and sending you hugs.

PS--Are you having any opportunities to paint?  (You are so talented!🌞)

Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

Levothyroxine: 2000 - 

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Dear getofflex..you have been on my mind and heart since I read your post.All to say I am 🙏.One thing that helps me when my mind goes in overdrive is I imagine the Lord changing the scene on the stage of my mind..He simply steps on the stage of my mind and moves the scene over so all I see is Him.

I say things like easy does it,be gentle and embrace grace. 
I listen to music that is worshipful and it soothes the torment. 
I do more wim hof breathing, take cold showers, read specific psalms….and rest allot. 
You are not alone and He will get you through this…for sure.😍
 

  •  1995 -1998 prozac 20 mg; unsuccessful C.T.
  • 1998-2004 paxil 10 mg ; unsuccessful C.T. 
  •  2004-current  lexapro 10 mg
  •  2009 added drug Wellbutrin 150mg, 2016  bupropian300 mg XL
  • 2019  start taper June-;alternated between 300 mg and 150 mg XL (as per PCP guidelines) until  reached daily bupropian 150 mg XL in December 2019
  • 2020 January-March skipping 1 -4 days in between 150 mg XL then crashed mid month March
  • 2020 March-April resumed skipping every 3 days
  • 2020 April 28 began splitting bupropion 75 mg HCL and taking 37.5 mg am &  pm
  • 2020 April discovered SA and the brassmonkey slide taper; making own pills now
  • 2020 June 10-71.3 mg bupropion HCL (2 pills daily -divided);July 10 -67.7 mg;August 9 -64.3;August 31-61.1;September 21-58.0; October 12-55.1; November 2-52.4 mg bupropion HCL;December 3-8 -49.8; reinstated December 9 -52.4mg,ALL ARE GENERIC
  • 2021 January 7 liquid taper of Wellbutrin done by compound pharmacist .
  • Same amount as before. Staying at 52.4 mg. HOLD.
  • 2021 January 29 liquid lexapro done by compound pharmacist.
  • 2021 February 4 began  taper at 10% 9.0mg. Held for a while.
  • 2021 June 14 resumed taper, 2.5% reduction, 8.8 mg.
  • 2021 June 28 2.5% reduction 8.6mg.
  • 2021 September 13 2.5% reduction 8.4 mg.
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@getofflex lam sorry you are having a tough time! I can definitely relate to the summer to fall shift, teenagers, college children, family stress, and not sleeping. 

My son has been in a couple of those predicaments. About the exact same thing you described. and somehow I do my hardest at controlling my words and actions and not letting him see my worry and anger. It’s tough. So I try to speak to him as best I can as an adult letting him know hanging around that stuff is wrong. All while I’m trying to stay calm. And then we are learning as parents as they become adults. They aren’t 5 anymore so we have to adapt and teach them different as they grow. And then laying in bed worrying about it. On the weekend I have to go run my chainsaw for a few hours 😜. It’s frustrating and stressful  for any sane parent without tapering a ssri. And by you recognizing the positives in the situations will go along way in feeling better faster it may not feel that way rt know. But continuing to practice this it will! 
 

dont forget about putting in the ear buds and listening to calming sounds like rain or adult bedtime stories or meditation type sounds when you can’t sleep. There’s a lot on YouTube for free. It helps me sleep and stop the negative thought loop. 
 Hang on it will pass 💪

 

09/2000 paxil 20mgs, 06/2006 stopped Paxil crashed, 10/2006 progressed back up to Paxil 20mgs, 

2012 -2013 Paxil 12 month taper crashed, 

09/2013 Zoloft 50 - 100, 

2015-2016 Zoloft taper crash, 

2016 cymbalta, 

01/2017   lamictal , 

05/2017 Prozac 20 mgs, 06/2017 Prozac 40mgs, 02/2018 Prozac 20 mgs, 05/2018 Prozac 30 mgs, 

11/2018 lexapro 10 mgs, 01/2019 lexapro 15 mgs, 12/07/2019 lexapro 13.75 mgs ,01/04/2020 lexapro 12.5 mgs, 02/08/2020 lexapro 11.25 mgs, 03/07/2020 lexapro 10 mgs, 07/25/2020 7.5mg pill&2.5ml liquid, 08/04/2020 5mg pill&5ml liquid, 08/17/2020 2.5mg pill 7.5 ml liquid, 08/24/2020 10 ml liquid lexapro, 09/05/2020 9 ml liquid lexapro, 10/05/2020 8.5 ml liquid lexapro,10/12/2020 9 ml, 04/17/2021 8.78 ml, 04/24/2021 8.56 ml, 05/02/2021 8.34 ml, 05/09/2021 8.10ml, 05/29/2021 8 ml, 06/15/2021 7.80 ml, 06/21/2021 7.60ml, 06/27/2021 7.40 ml, 07/03/2021 7.20 ml, 07/24/2021 7 ml, 10/02/2021 6.90 ml,

2000 to present Celebrex 200 - 400 mg daily as needed

2015 to 2021 Prilosec 20-40 mg daily as needed

Present pravastatin 10 mg, Pepcid 20 mg, zinc L carnosine 

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Thinking about you @getofflex, things are tough and out of your control. You are doing the best you should do and lead your actions and patterns of thoughts to cope better and I find it very admirable. We all have something to learn from each other, but I feel like we have a lot to learn from you.

Wishing you all the best, I hope things become more smooth soon and that you can see some relief in a window. Every day is a step closer to full recovery.

Aug 2017 - May 2018 -> Escitalopram 10 mg. June 5 mg and then stopped. Absolutely no withdrawal symptoms.

Nov 2018 - Jan 2021 -> Escitalopram 10 mg. Jan-Feb 2021 - 5 mg, daily (1 month).  Feb-March 2021 - 5 mg, one day out of two (2-3 weeks). No withdrawal symptoms during taper.

--- Since March 13th, 2021 -> Escitalopram 0 mg.

Withdrawal appeared 8-10 days after last dose: introduction topic

Benzos occasionally: Prazepam 5mg (last intake: aug 05).

Profile image: Edward Robert Hughes' "Night"

 

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Thanks @siderale @Heath @benesh and @arbor for your kind words of support.  I'm doing much better today.  I got a much better night's sleep.  My husband slept downstairs, and I think that helped, so maybe I'm coming out of the wave.  Anyway, I'm being gentle and careful with my CNS today, and intend to be more careful from now on.  No more intense hikes for a while.  

15 hours ago, benesh said:

🙏.One thing that helps me when my mind goes in overdrive is I imagine the Lord changing the scene on the stage of my mind..He simply steps on the stage of my mind and moves the scene over so all I see is Him.

Wow, that is a great technique, Benesh.  I'm going to work more on focusing on the Lord Jesus myself.  My bible reading at night always helps me so much.  

 

13 hours ago, Heath said:

dont forget about putting in the ear buds and listening to calming sounds like rain or adult bedtime stories or meditation type sounds when you can’t sleep.

I do listen to a long music playlist on Spotify, but I'll look into the meditation playlists as well.  

 

The thing with my son, I'm pretty chill about.  My husband was starting to get worked up about it, but I asked him to please not blow it out of proportion and get us both stressed over it.  It's not a big deal - these things happen.  I know my son is a good kid, he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  In talking to my son, I could tell he felt bad about this, and was going to be more careful in the future.  

 

16 hours ago, arbor said:

PS--Are you having any opportunities to paint? 

Yes, I just finished a sunflower watercolor painting.    I have a lot on my plate right now with family, which is why I'm taking a break from moderating.  

 

5 hours ago, siderale said:

Thinking about you @getofflex, things are tough and out of your control. You are doing the best you should do and lead your actions and patterns of thoughts to cope better and I find it very admirable. We all have something to learn from each other, but I feel like we have a lot to learn from you.

 

Thanks.  🌻  Yes, there is chaos at times with my teenager Andrew.  I'm working now on a workbook that Erell told me about for PTSD.  Today's lesson was all about how we have no control over anything that happens outside of us.  It helps us to let go of our requirements of how the world "should" be.  I think this will be very helpful to lower my stress levels, and calm my nervous system.  

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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I tried to post my sunflower painting, but since it has a vertical aspect, the software crops it.  Here is another painting I've done: 

 

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***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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That’s a beautiful painting @getofflex. I am an artist too and my creative urge has completely left me. I’ve just been reading about your recent wave and your thoughts about a connection with menopause. Are you on hrt? It really is a double whammy isn’t it, WD and menopause?!

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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8 hours ago, getofflex said:

I tried to post my sunflower painting, but since it has a vertical aspect, the software crops it.  Here is another painting I've done: 

 

 

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That's incredible!  Very beautiful. If I saw this in a store I'd buy it.  You're very talented.

 

My creative drive has really taken a hit during WD, I was working on a novel but I've had a hard time making any progress in recent months.

Lexapro/Escitalopram history: 2012 to 2020 20 mg

July 2020 10 mg November 2020 5 mg 2/15/21 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg 2/25/21 3/4 a 5mg pill ~3.75 mg 3/25/21 1/2 a 5mg pill ~2.5 mg

4/20/21 switched to liquid 2.8 mg, made a couple more increases over a week and a half to 3.5 mg 5/14/21 increased further up to 3.8 mg

10/1/21 3.6 mg

 

Current supplements:

Once per morning: men's multivitamin, vitamin c, selenium, zinc, magnesium chelate (133mg per pill), fish oil (1000 mg per pill)

Bedtime: cbd tincture, melatonin

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6 hours ago, AndyPants said:

That's incredible!  Very beautiful. If I saw this in a store I'd buy it.  You're very talented.

 

My creative drive has really taken a hit during WD, I was working on a novel but I've had a hard time making any progress in recent months.

I’d buy it too! I totally get the lack of creative drive. I’ve just completely lost any interest in doing any drawing. It’s horrible as it used to be one of the main tools in combatting depression. 

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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On 9/11/2021 at 10:02 PM, getofflex said:

Another technique I'm using is reframing.  I'm trying to see this as the Lord using pain to cause me to grow spiritually, and become stronger.  I'm using gratitude.  I'm thankful my son wasn't in a fatal accident.  I'm trying to see the silver lining in the dark cloud by realizing that at least I'm farther along in my recovery than I was in the previous wave, and this will be one less wave I have to go through.  

 

I'm also changing the channel when the anxious or dark thoughts appear in my mind. 

@getofflex

 

Well done for being so positive!

 

I'm also starting to believe that all this suffering can only lead to spiritual growth and that our souls help us get through the dark periods.

 

Sending you healing thoughts 🤗

Effexor XR 75mg 1997-2012 

Effexor XR 37.5mg 2012-2017 (tapered off over six months - finished taper July 2017)

SCA Aug 12th, 2017

Cymbalta 30mg Aug 2017 - Nov 2017 (CT Nov. 17th for medical reasons)

Metoprolol 50mg Aug 2017 - Feb 2019 tapered down to 25mg June 2019 then tapered down to zero. Off Metoprolol as of Jan 2020        

Amiodarone (anti-arrhythmic med) 200mg Nov 2017- May 2018

 

Supplements: Omega 3, vitamin D3, magnesium

What helps me: Manual lymphatic drainage massage, acupressure, meditation, homeopathy (my psychiatrist is also a certified homeopath), a healthy diet when possible organic, yoga, walking my dogs every day and gardening.

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15 hours ago, getofflex said:

 

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Such delicate detail - stunning 🥰

Effexor XR 75mg 1997-2012 

Effexor XR 37.5mg 2012-2017 (tapered off over six months - finished taper July 2017)

SCA Aug 12th, 2017

Cymbalta 30mg Aug 2017 - Nov 2017 (CT Nov. 17th for medical reasons)

Metoprolol 50mg Aug 2017 - Feb 2019 tapered down to 25mg June 2019 then tapered down to zero. Off Metoprolol as of Jan 2020        

Amiodarone (anti-arrhythmic med) 200mg Nov 2017- May 2018

 

Supplements: Omega 3, vitamin D3, magnesium

What helps me: Manual lymphatic drainage massage, acupressure, meditation, homeopathy (my psychiatrist is also a certified homeopath), a healthy diet when possible organic, yoga, walking my dogs every day and gardening.

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Hello @getofflex,

 

What a beautiful painting! Thanks for sharing it<3

 

Your actitud towards everything that it is happening to you is amazing, I really admire you. Know that you are in my thoughts and that I am learning a lot from you (from everyone in this site, actually).

 

I send you a big hug.

March 2019: 10mg Citalopram

April 2019: 20mg Citalopram

October/November 2019(sorry, I don't remember the exact date): 10mg of Citalopram without tapering, as suggested by my pharmacist. 

March 2020: Started "tapering", taking the 10mg of Citalopram every other day, again, following the recommendations of my pharmacist. 

April 2020: Stopped taking Citalopram.

I haven't reinstall since then. I've tried taking Magnesium a couple of times, but I found out it makes me nervous. I only take Paracetemol when the headache becomes unbearable (2gr every couple of weeks or so). 

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Thank you for posting your painting.  I feel totally in their (the flowers') presence!

My best to you.  Hope you are feeling better--💗

Arbor

Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

Levothyroxine: 2000 - 

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Thanks @Kat66 @AndyPants @gentlehermione @almuPA and @arborfor you kind thoughts.  Yes, I am coming out of this wave, thankfully.  It is causing me to become more patient, because I was hoping to taper again in 4 weeks but now I shall wait at least 5 or 6 weeks to do another taper.  This WD really does stretch us emotionally and spiritually.  In the past 3 nights I've slept over 7 hours (2 nights), and 6 hours last night.  I'm still struggling with some anxiety and ruminations, but I'm using coping tools to help with that.  One new coping tool I learned is when I'm ruminating, say "that's just a thought", and then pay attention to what I am feeling, hearing, and seeing around me.  It helps, and it's calming and centering.  

 

I found out from talking to my son yesterday that in addition to going to court to pay a $300 fine for underage drinking in November, he also has to meet with the student life director, attend a class about alcohol, and write an essay about it.  He is stressed.  I hope and pray he learns something from this.  I'm trying not to worry about it, and let it go and give it to the Lord.   

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***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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Yes those pesky ruminating negative worry thoughts. I’m glad you are feeling better and able to let them float on by.  I still struggle with these when they arise but am getting better at catching them and controlling them. I’m noticing them more I deal with wd is when they arise it takes me about a week or 2 to catch it and then like you acknowledge and ground myself. Unfortunately the only way to get better is experience. 
 

sounds like you’re son is in good hands with good parents and family! And situation will resolve positively! So I would say you’ve done you’re job. I want to encourage you to Try to relax and not worry much about that🙂. I can look back with my son and see where we would be running around fretting and worrying and it worked out. God took care of him! 
So I wonder why we run around fretting 🤷‍♂️. I guess it’s human nature but it can start a cycle negative habit in excess. 
 

Glad you are coming out of that wave👍


 

09/2000 paxil 20mgs, 06/2006 stopped Paxil crashed, 10/2006 progressed back up to Paxil 20mgs, 

2012 -2013 Paxil 12 month taper crashed, 

09/2013 Zoloft 50 - 100, 

2015-2016 Zoloft taper crash, 

2016 cymbalta, 

01/2017   lamictal , 

05/2017 Prozac 20 mgs, 06/2017 Prozac 40mgs, 02/2018 Prozac 20 mgs, 05/2018 Prozac 30 mgs, 

11/2018 lexapro 10 mgs, 01/2019 lexapro 15 mgs, 12/07/2019 lexapro 13.75 mgs ,01/04/2020 lexapro 12.5 mgs, 02/08/2020 lexapro 11.25 mgs, 03/07/2020 lexapro 10 mgs, 07/25/2020 7.5mg pill&2.5ml liquid, 08/04/2020 5mg pill&5ml liquid, 08/17/2020 2.5mg pill 7.5 ml liquid, 08/24/2020 10 ml liquid lexapro, 09/05/2020 9 ml liquid lexapro, 10/05/2020 8.5 ml liquid lexapro,10/12/2020 9 ml, 04/17/2021 8.78 ml, 04/24/2021 8.56 ml, 05/02/2021 8.34 ml, 05/09/2021 8.10ml, 05/29/2021 8 ml, 06/15/2021 7.80 ml, 06/21/2021 7.60ml, 06/27/2021 7.40 ml, 07/03/2021 7.20 ml, 07/24/2021 7 ml, 10/02/2021 6.90 ml,

2000 to present Celebrex 200 - 400 mg daily as needed

2015 to 2021 Prilosec 20-40 mg daily as needed

Present pravastatin 10 mg, Pepcid 20 mg, zinc L carnosine 

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Beautiful painting, Getofflex! Creating something of your own is very therapeutic and life-affirming, isn't it?  

 

I'm always trying to add new tools to my CBT toolbox.  I'll have to try the "just a thought" mantra next time my night-time circular thinking takes over!

Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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@getofflex I like the 'it's just a thought' idea. I'm starting to understand that anxious thoughts are NOT reality they're just thoughts. And they can be so extreme and unpleasant during WD, developing into uncontrollable negative spirals. Any way we can diffuse their power must be a good thing. This book is really helping me too at the moment; 'Untangle Your Anxiety: A Guide To Overcoming An Anxiety Disorder By Two People Who Have Been Through It'.

 

 

 

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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3 hours ago, Kat66 said:

@getofflex I like the 'it's just a thought' idea. I'm starting to understand that anxious thoughts are NOT reality they're just thoughts. And they can be so extreme and unpleasant during WD, developing into uncontrollable negative spirals. Any way we can diffuse their power must be a good thing. This book is really helping me too at the moment; 'Untangle Your Anxiety: A Guide To Overcoming An Anxiety Disorder By Two People Who Have Been Through It'.

This is great, @Kat66.  Kudos to you on using good non drug coping techniques!  Yes, these thoughts can be very dark and persistent in WD.  Some days I very relaxed with no intrusive thoughts, and other days, they just hammer me.  Thanks for the book recommendation.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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You’re welcome @getofflex ironically I’m having a worse day than yesterday, all kinds of unpleasant negative ruminating about what the future holds. However realising that all we have is the present moment is very powerful so bringing myself back to the moment seems to work every time xx

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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4 hours ago, Kat66 said:

all kinds of unpleasant negative ruminating about what the future holds. However realising that all we have is the present moment is very powerful so bringing myself back to the moment seems to work every time

This is very common in WD.  It's good that you are using this technique to bring yourself back to the present.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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How are you doing today @getofflex ? x

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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@Kat66I'm doing pretty well today, thanks for asking.  I took my cat to the vet, and she has heart issues, so that was stressful, but other than that it's been an OK day.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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12 hours ago, getofflex said:

@Kat66I'm doing pretty well today, thanks for asking.  I took my cat to the vet, and she has heart issues, so that was stressful, but other than that it's been an OK day.  

Good to hear, although I’m sorry to hear about your cat 😞 

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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getofflex

I'm having a lot of neuro emotions today.  It's really hard not to believe these emotions are valid, legitimate emotions, and I'm so tempted to act on them, but if I do, I could create some major problems.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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Good luck, dear getofflex , dealing with those hard-to-control neuro emotions. It must be so tiring, yet deep down you know these aren't you. Sitting back and rationalising them is as right as it is right.

I hope you get to breathe a bit very soon and experience some relief. Thinking about you ♥

Aug 2017 - May 2018 -> Escitalopram 10 mg. June 5 mg and then stopped. Absolutely no withdrawal symptoms.

Nov 2018 - Jan 2021 -> Escitalopram 10 mg. Jan-Feb 2021 - 5 mg, daily (1 month).  Feb-March 2021 - 5 mg, one day out of two (2-3 weeks). No withdrawal symptoms during taper.

--- Since March 13th, 2021 -> Escitalopram 0 mg.

Withdrawal appeared 8-10 days after last dose: introduction topic

Benzos occasionally: Prazepam 5mg (last intake: aug 05).

Profile image: Edward Robert Hughes' "Night"

 

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1 hour ago, getofflex said:

I'm having a lot of neuro emotions today.  It's really hard not to believe these emotions are valid, legitimate emotions, and I'm so tempted to act on them, but if I do, I could create some major problems.  

@getofflex I find neuro emotions terrifying. They feel so REAL. They are my constant companions. If it wasn't for this site I would believe what they are trying to tell me. I guess we just have to shift up and make room for them. They'll be gone eventually hopefully xx

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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getofflex

@Kat66 thank you for the reassurance!   I’m feeling a bit better now.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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getofflex

Well luckily my off day yesterday wasn't so much from a wave, as from my husband being very restless and me getting little sleep the previous night.  I asked him to sleep downstairs last night, and got a much better night's sleep (6 hours of good sleep). Hopefully, I'll do OK the next couple nights, (storms are brewing again) and be able to do a taper on Monday.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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@getofflex so glad you got some better sleep. Good luck with the taper, let us know how you get on x

History of depression and anxiety

 

Drugs; Venlafaxine 1998-1999, Prozac 2006-2007, Sertraline 50mg 2013-15, cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg 2015

Citalopram 20mg 2015-2021 (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019

Dropped from 20mg to 10mg early 2021 and stopped completely 25th June 2021

Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my seratonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. Stopped 5htp 11th July, with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg/day. Reinstated cit at 1mg/day 16/7/21. Increased dose to 2mg/day 2/8/21. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle, moderate drinker. Other medications; cliovance (HRT)

Other supplements; magnesium glycinate and calcium

 

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getofflex

I just did another dose reduction to 0.06 mg liquid Lexapro.  I have been reasonably stable for the past couple of weeks, and it's been a little over 7 weeks since my previous dose reduction, so I feel ready to taper now.  I've spent the past couple of months journaling each day, to see what causes spikes in symptoms.  I don't consider them waves, because they only last a very short time, and they are not major or debilitating.  I found that intense exercise, MSG, stormy weather, all affect me.  Also, the Shingrix vaccine in July definitely affected me and put me in a wave.  

 

My current symptoms are just fatigue, and some mild anxiety off and on, and mild DP/DR.  I'm  better now than I was even a year ago, and vastly better than I was when I first got to this forum in March of 2019.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06 

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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Hello, getofflex,

 

I will cross my fingers for you and your reduction, hoping everything will go smooth.

 

On 10/6/2021 at 4:42 PM, getofflex said:

I found that intense exercise, MSG, stormy weather, all affect me.  Also, the Shingrix vaccine in July definitely affected me and put me in a wave.  

 

It is tough, isnt It? Like we have to walk on ice on everything we eat and do, and still there's so much we cant control. Well, we can accept the situation and hope for better times:)

 

On 10/6/2021 at 4:42 PM, getofflex said:

I'm  better now than I was even a year ago, and vastly better than I was when I first got to this forum in March of 2019.

 

That is great news. Even if this is a slow process, this kind of statments prove that heal happens. I am very Happy for your progress.  

March 2019: 10mg Citalopram

April 2019: 20mg Citalopram

October/November 2019(sorry, I don't remember the exact date): 10mg of Citalopram without tapering, as suggested by my pharmacist. 

March 2020: Started "tapering", taking the 10mg of Citalopram every other day, again, following the recommendations of my pharmacist. 

April 2020: Stopped taking Citalopram.

I haven't reinstall since then. I've tried taking Magnesium a couple of times, but I found out it makes me nervous. I only take Paracetemol when the headache becomes unbearable (2gr every couple of weeks or so). 

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