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Altostrata

Yes, you're going to have to stay away from alcohol altogether, it can trigger a wave. Hang in there, it will gradually go away.

 

Try to look at what habits or attitudes add to stress, and do what you can to stop them. If dating is stressful, perhaps bring this up with the other person? Get some understanding so you're not as stressed by it.

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2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, you're going to have to stay away from alcohol altogether, it can trigger a wave. Hang in there, it will gradually go away.

 

Try to look at what habits or attitudes add to stress, and do what you can to stop them. If dating is stressful, perhaps bring this up with the other person? Get some understanding so you're not as stressed by it.

 

Thanks again! I guess I got too reckless with the drinks over the holiday. I figured that since I was feeling so good, alcohol would be fine, but obviously I'm not ready to start having the occasional drink just yet. If this is just a wave, I'm confident that I'll be back to feeling good before long. I guess my biggest concern is that this is not a wave, and just a return of my natural anxiety. Is there a way to differentiate? I do think it will pass, but the thought of this just being my natural anxiety emerging after the reduction of Anafranil scares me. 

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Altostrata

Most likely, it was the alcohol irritating your nervous system.

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I've been stable in my dose for almost 9 months now (last change was a 25% reduction in April 2019). It's been very up and down, and although I'm currently experiencing a wave, it's less intense than the major wave I had in September, and back in Nov/Dec I was feeling better than I had in a long time. I'm not in a huge rush to get off the ADs, I'd rather take in very slow and minimize my suffering along the way. My question is this -- how long should I wait to continue my reduction? My next reduction will be a minuscule 1mg (about 5.5%), but I'd rather wait until I'm feeling good and totally stabilized before going through with it. Is it normal to still have symptoms 9 months after a large reduction? Thanks

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Hello again! In addition to my last message, I would like some clarification on whether I could be experiencing "poopout." I doubt it, as the symptoms seem to come in a classic windows and waves pattern that's less severe over time, so my best guess/hope is that I'm still recovering from the 25% reduction in April...but still, the idea of poopout has me a little worried. 

 

3.5 years ago, before I started the benzo hell that set this whole mess in motion, I was quite fine on a steady 25mgs of Anafranil/night. The only reason I started reducing was because I thought the presence of Anafranil in my system could be preventing my brain from healing from the benzo damage. I'm still not sure whether or not that was true, and I doubt I ever will be. The bottom line is this: I hope to feel as good or better than I felt when I was on the consistent 25mgs/night 3.5 years ago before I further reduce. There have been a few weeks here and there where I've been at the level (aka feeling pretty great) but it hasn't happened on a consistent enough basis yet. Is my plan to wait until I'm feeling great before reducing again reasonable? There's no reason I shouldn't stabilize back to that baseline eventually given enough time right? Thanks again

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17 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

My question is this -- how long should I wait to continue my reduction? My next reduction will be a minuscule 1mg (about 5.5%), but I'd rather wait until I'm feeling good and totally stabilized before going through with it. 

 

Waiting to make another reduction until you're stable is a great plan. Here's a guide on what that looks like, it's called Withdrawal Normal:

 

Withdrawal Normal

 

17 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

Is it normal to still have symptoms 9 months after a large reduction? Thanks

 

Yes, many people still have symptoms even 9 months later, especially after a large reduction. 

 

15 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

In addition to my last message, I would like some clarification on whether I could be experiencing "poopout." I doubt it, as the symptoms seem to come in a classic windows and waves pattern that's less severe over time, so my best guess/hope is that I'm still recovering from the 25% reduction in April...but still, the idea of poopout has me a little worried. 

 

It could be a mix of both, but as you wisely note, the fact that you're having windows suggests your symptoms are more related to withdrawal. 

 

There's not a lot you can do about poopout at this point, but manage your withdrawal as slowly and as comfortably as possible. 

 

15 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

Is my plan to wait until I'm feeling great before reducing again reasonable? There's no reason I shouldn't stabilize back to that baseline eventually given enough time right?

 

I would go by being able to sleep reasonably well and being able to function in your work and / or family responsibilities. I'm not sure there's really an answer to this question because there are so many variables, not to mention how individual withdrawal is. 

 

These threads may help:

 

What is happening in your brain? (on benzo withdrawal and recovery)

 

How psychiatric drugs remodel your brain (on AD withdrawal and recovery)

 

Are We There Yet? How Long is Withdrawal Going to Take?

 

 

 

 

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On 1/8/2020 at 8:54 AM, Shep said:

 

Waiting to make another reduction until you're stable is a great plan. Here's a guide on what that looks like, it's called Withdrawal Normal:

 

Withdrawal Normal

 

 

Yes, many people still have symptoms even 9 months later, especially after a large reduction. 

 

 

It could be a mix of both, but as you wisely note, the fact that you're having windows suggests your symptoms are more related to withdrawal. 

 

There's not a lot you can do about poopout at this point, but manage your withdrawal as slowly and as comfortably as possible. 

 

 

I would go by being able to sleep reasonably well and being able to function in your work and / or family responsibilities. I'm not sure there's really an answer to this question because there are so many variables, not to mention how individual withdrawal is. 

 

These threads may help:

 

What is happening in your brain? (on benzo withdrawal and recovery)

 

How psychiatric drugs remodel your brain (on AD withdrawal and recovery)

 

Are We There Yet? How Long is Withdrawal Going to Take?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much Shep! This was extremely helpful. Since I'm in no rush to get off the meds, I'm going to wait until the windows and waves subside and I'm feeling stable and good on a consistent basis. My medium term goal is not to get off the meds entirely, but to get down to a very low 10mgs/night. If I reduce by 1mg each time, that represents 8 reductions. If I do one reduction every 3 months, it will be 2 years to get to that 10mg level. I'm still not quite ready to start this reduction plan, as I'm still recovering from my drastic April cut, but I think the 3 month intervals should be more than enough time for my brain to adjust after my future small 1mg cuts. Does this seem like a reasonable plan to you? I know it's extremely slow, but I'd rather minimize suffering along the way. The main reason that 10mgs is my next big milestone is because that's the lowest dose the pills come in, and I wouldn't have to keep getting them compounded. 

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17 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

If I reduce by 1mg each time, that represents 8 reductions. If I do one reduction every 3 months, it will be 2 years to get to that 10mg level. I'm still not quite ready to start this reduction plan, as I'm still recovering from my drastic April cut, but I think the 3 month intervals should be more than enough time for my brain to adjust after my future small 1mg cuts. Does this seem like a reasonable plan to you?

 

Yes, this is a very reasonable plan, CTS. I'm glad you're in no rush and taking this slow. Reducing your overall drug burden is a great goal. 

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On 1/10/2020 at 7:44 AM, Shep said:

 

Yes, this is a very reasonable plan, CTS. I'm glad you're in no rush and taking this slow. Reducing your overall drug burden is a great goal. 

 

Thanks Shep. One thing that continues to puzzle me... I've adjusted my dose of Anafranil many times over the past 15+ years with minimal side effects, but all of a sudden my reduction in August 2018 hit me hard. Any idea why that could be? My leading hypothesis is that the benzo nightmare I went through starting in September 2016 made my brain much more sensitive.

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Hey guys, I've been having a pretty major wave for the past month or so. It's now been about 10 months since my last reduction (large 25% reduction). Is it unusual to have a wave that long after a change in medication dosage? I've been getting my medication compounded by a pharmacist for the past 10 months. I'm having a lot of anxiety about this -- what if the wave I'm having is because he messed up the most recent batch and did not give me the correct 18mgs?? I don't think that's what's happened, but my tendency to obsess over things is not good. I keep thinking that maybe he screwed up and gave me the wrong dosage. 

 

I think the more likely scenario is that I've had some major stressors in my life since Christmas, and maybe this stress has caused the wave. It seems so strange to me that your thought process/stress levels have the power to bring back symptoms, but based on what I've read it seems like it's definitely possible. Is extreme stress commonly associated with waves/return of symptoms?

 

It's so frustrating, because back in November I was feeling amazing and I thought my 3 years of suffering was over. Now I'm closing in on the 3.5 year mark, and I've had this major setback. Any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

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Yes, stress can definitely cause waves. Anything that taxes your nervous system can cause upticks in symptoms. 

 

If you're not already doing so, you may want to try yoga, mindfulness, music, etc., basically anything that calms the nervous system. Here are more ideas:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Are you currently taking any supplements? If not, you may want to try fish oil and / or magnesium. You'll find the links for more information on these in this post earlier in your thread.

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On 2/17/2020 at 6:25 AM, Shep said:

Yes, stress can definitely cause waves. Anything that taxes your nervous system can cause upticks in symptoms. 

 

If you're not already doing so, you may want to try yoga, mindfulness, music, etc., basically anything that calms the nervous system. Here are more ideas:

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

Are you currently taking any supplements? If not, you may want to try fish oil and / or magnesium. You'll find the links for more information on these in this post earlier in your thread.

 

Thanks Shep. I am not currently taking any supplements. I tried Fish Oil for a few days, and I actually felt really good, but then I missed a day and felt awful. That kind of scared me, because it almost seemed like I was relying on yet another substance to feel good. Maybe I should give it another shot.

 

I have downloaded a meditation app on my phone and will give that a try too. I have always been an extremely anxious person, and any major life changes/stresses have always been hard on me. I think that combined with my current fragile nervous system really hit me hard, but I'm working my way back. 

 

I hear that a ten month wave is pretty common after getting off the meds/ a major reduction. Could that be a contributing factor to my wave as well?

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22 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

I hear that a ten month wave is pretty common after getting off the meds/ a major reduction. Could that be a contributing factor to my wave as well?

 

Very observant, CTS. This could very well be. Perhaps continue to hold the anafranil steady for a bit longer. Use the meditation app and maybe add in a fit of fish oil and see how you feel. Hopefully you'll see some improvements over the coming weeks. I wouldn't worry about being dependent on fish oil, since this is a supplement that's good for us even if we weren't going through withdrawal. If you're concerned, instead of using a supplement, you could eat fish several times a week to get it in a more natural way. 

 

Please post an update along the way and let us know how you're doing. 

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On 2/19/2020 at 8:41 AM, Shep said:

 

Very observant, CTS. This could very well be. Perhaps continue to hold the anafranil steady for a bit longer. Use the meditation app and maybe add in a fit of fish oil and see how you feel. Hopefully you'll see some improvements over the coming weeks. I wouldn't worry about being dependent on fish oil, since this is a supplement that's good for us even if we weren't going through withdrawal. If you're concerned, instead of using a supplement, you could eat fish several times a week to get it in a more natural way. 

 

Please post an update along the way and let us know how you're doing. 

 

Thanks Shep. I think it's been the perfect storm in terms of a negative environment for a wave... that typical 10-month wave combined with many external stresses and anxiety triggers have really hit me hard. There's been some improvement recently though, and  hope to get back to how I was feeling in the fall soon. 

 

My biggest symptoms are emotional/mental/cognitive at this point. Cog fog, confusion, lack of motivation, poor memory, and emotional numbness have been the biggest ones. 

 

I'm going to stay steady at 18mgs indefinitely, or at least until I'm feeling much better. I don't want to risk further destabilizing things while I'm still not feeling great. If I stay steady at my dose it's only a matter of time before my brain stabilizes correct? It's just so strange that I reduced my dose almost a year ago (albeit by 25%) and my brain still has not fully adjusted...

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13 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

Thanks Shep. I think it's been the perfect storm in terms of a negative environment for a wave... that typical 10-month wave combined with many external stresses and anxiety triggers have really hit me hard. There's been some improvement recently though, and  hope to get back to how I was feeling in the fall soon. 

 

You mention feeling better in the fall. Are you someone who struggles with mood and sleep and other symptoms during the winter? If so, the fact that it will be spring soon in Ottawa will work to your favor. So holding your dose steady to get you through this 10-month wave, healing from the external stresses (glad to hear they are improving), and working on self-care may be the best path forward.

 

13 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

I'm going to stay steady at 18mgs indefinitely, or at least until I'm feeling much better. I don't want to risk further destabilizing things while I'm still not feeling great. If I stay steady at my dose it's only a matter of time before my brain stabilizes correct? It's just so strange that I reduced my dose almost a year ago (albeit by 25%) and my brain still has not fully adjusted...

 

Do you want to stay where you're at for say, two months, and then reassess? I really think with the decrease in stressors and the upcoming spring weather, you're going to feel better.

 

Please post your thoughts. 

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6 hours ago, Shep said:

 

You mention feeling better in the fall. Are you someone who struggles with mood and sleep and other symptoms during the winter? If so, the fact that it will be spring soon in Ottawa will work to your favor. So holding your dose steady to get you through this 10-month wave, healing from the external stresses (glad to hear they are improving), and working on self-care may be the best path forward.

 

 

Do you want to stay where you're at for say, two months, and then reassess? I really think with the decrease in stressors and the upcoming spring weather, you're going to feel better.

 

Please post your thoughts. 

 

I think the season and lack of sunlight has some effect on my mood, but nothing too signifiant. Most of my symptoms at this point are coginitive...there's definitely some depression and anxiety, but I doubt the cognitive symptoms could be caused by seasonal changes. You're right though, having the spring and summer around the corner could definitely help.

 

I want to stay at the 18mgs indefinitely and see how things go. I'm not feeling good enough to consider a reduction, and I'm not feeling bad enough to consider slightly increasing my dosage. Since changing my dosage back in April, this is how the progression has gone: April/May - felt very bad, June-August - felt quite good, September - felt bad, October-December - felt great, January-present - felt not so good. Keep in mind that when I reduced my dosage almost a year ago I was at the 2.5 year mark after a benzo cold turkey, which I hadn't fully recovered from. 

 

Do you think the plan to continue at 18mgs is reasonable? I think the fact that I've had some pretty great windows over the past year is promising -- hopefully the windows become more frequent and the waves start to vanish. Thanks Shep

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15 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

Keep in mind that when I reduced my dosage almost a year ago I was at the 2.5 year mark after a benzo cold turkey, which I hadn't fully recovered from. 

 

Do you think the plan to continue at 18mgs is reasonable? I think the fact that I've had some pretty great windows over the past year is promising -- hopefully the windows become more frequent and the waves start to vanish.

 

I think holding is a good idea. It will be your call if you wish to taper completely off this drug at some point or if simply reducing your overall drug burden will be your goal. Either one is still a good choice. 

 

I think you're right to consider you're still getting waves from the benzo cold turkey. That can indeed last a number of years and brings its own windows and waves to the game, so it's very hard to know what is causing what. 

 

As you completely recover from benzo withdrawal, you may decide to come off the antidepressant, but for now, holding and getting more stability is a good goal. 

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Hello, I just wanted to post an update. The month of March and also early April have been relatively bad for me, which is quite frustrating because I was feeling so good from October to January, to the point where I thought I was close to being 100% recovered. This has been a huge setback for me. I have extreme fatigue, cognitive fog, total lack of motivation, lack of emotions, slow mental processing, very poor memory, etc. I understand that recovery consists of windows and waves, but I actually feel like this stretch has been worse than I felt when I first made my 25% reduction about one year ago. Have you guys heard of any other instances where symptoms can take this long to reach their worst? I'm trying to look on the bright side -- my symptoms still aren't as bad as they were years ago when I did my benzo cold turkey, and I do have periods of feeling quite good every now and then. I'm just scared that my symptoms are at at their worst a full year after my AD reduction. Is there any precedent for this? BTW, I am continuing to hold steady at 18mgs/day. Thanks as always for your help. 

 

Edit: can a mod please change my title to something more specific? Maybe something like Anafranil/Clonazepam recovery? Thanks. 

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Altostrata

No, there isn't any timetable for a symptom pattern.

 

Are your symptoms worse at any particular times of day? What is your current drug schedule? Fatigue can be an adverse effect of Anafranil.

 

Changed your Intro title.

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

No, there isn't any timetable for a symptom pattern.

 

Are your symptoms worse at any particular times of day? What is your current drug schedule? Fatigue can be an adverse effect of Anafranil.

 

Changed your Intro title.

 

Hi Alto, thanks for your reply. 

 

My symptoms are always worse in the mornings and tend to get better as the day goes along. This has been the case for the past 3.5 years, throughout my benzo cold turkey and now my rapid anafranil reduction as well. 

 

I currently take 18mg before bed every evening, and the dosage is compounded by my pharmacist. I've been taking this same dose consistently since April 19th of last year.

 

Have you heard of anyone else experiencing the worst of their symptoms so late after the actual cold turkey/change in dosage? Thanks for your help!

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8 hours ago, ColdTurkeySoup said:

I have extreme fatigue, cognitive fog, total lack of motivation, lack of emotions, slow mental processing, very poor memory, etc. I understand that recovery consists of windows and waves, but I actually feel like this stretch has been worse than I felt when I first made my 25% reduction about one year ago.

 

These may not be withdrawal symptoms, but an effect of the drug.

 

Since you take Anafranil before bed, you don't feel the effects while you're sleeping, you feel it when you wake up. They wear off as the drug wears off later in the day. Anafranil is known for daytime sedation.

 

Your system may be telling you it's time to think about very gradually decreasing the Anafranil. See Tips for tapering off clomipramine (Anafranil)

 

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13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

These may not be withdrawal symptoms, but an effect of the drug.

 

Since you take Anafranil before bed, you don't feel the effects while you're sleeping, you feel it when you wake up. They wear off as the drug wears off later in the day. Anafranil is known for daytime sedation.

 

Your system may be telling you it's time to think about very gradually decreasing the Anafranil. See Tips for tapering off clomipramine (Anafranil)

 

 

Thanks for the feedback! I have considered the possibility that the symptoms  I'm feeling now aren't withdrawal symptoms, but rather the effects of the drug itself, but that doesn't quite add up to me. I've been on this drug for 16 years now, at one point at 150mgs, and I've never had symptoms like these until I quit clonazepam cold turkey in 2016. Even then, I was mostly recovered 2 years later in 2018, and these symptoms only emerged again in late 2018 when I started reducing my Anafranil dosage. On top of that, I was feeling pretty great as recently as January of this year... to me, window/wave pattern and volatile symptom pattern point more to prolonged withdrawal symptoms than an underlying effect of the drug. What do you think? Does that make sense? I don't want to start reducing my dosage yet as it seems like my system has not stabilized yet. 

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On 3/12/2020 at 3:51 AM, Shep said:

 

I think holding is a good idea. It will be your call if you wish to taper completely off this drug at some point or if simply reducing your overall drug burden will be your goal. Either one is still a good choice. 

 

I think you're right to consider you're still getting waves from the benzo cold turkey. That can indeed last a number of years and brings its own windows and waves to the game, so it's very hard to know what is causing what. 

 

As you completely recover from benzo withdrawal, you may decide to come off the antidepressant, but for now, holding and getting more stability is a good goal. 

 

Hi Shep, I hope you've been well. If you have the time, would you mind commenting on my recent updates? Alto's comments have been insightful, but you've been following my case for a long time now so I'd really appreciate your feedback too! Thanks so much

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Altostrata

Going on and off drugs can make your system sensitive to the action of the drug. You do not have the same nervous system that you had in your honeymoon period with Anafranil prior to 2006.

 

I've given you my best guess: You are experiencing typical adverse effects of Anafranil.

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On 1/3/2020 at 1:04 PM, ColdTurkeySoup said:

 

Hi Altostrata, 

 

Thanks for the quick reply! Honestly, I've had some alcohol abuse issues in the past. While I've been relatively good since tapering, I had a moment of weakness and drank quite a few beers around Halloween. Surprisingly, I felt great in the following weeks. Because of that, I figured it would't be a big deal to have some wine over the holidays. I never drank much, but I probably had a drink or two 4 of the past 7 days or so. I figured that it wouldn't be a problem since I drank much more on Halloween and was fine, but maybe I've overdone it and need to quit drinking entirely again? Also, I have a couple stressors in my life right now -- I'm getting some renovations done at my home, work stress, and I've started dating someone I really like as well. That last one shouldn't be a bad thing, but because of this whole withdrawal mess, I haven't dated in years, and the thought of screwing it up has caused me a ton of anxiety. 

 

CTS, I just re-read your thread to see if there were any patterns, and I noticed this.

 

Have you had any alcohol that might have caused this recent wave? Or any external stressors? With the pandemic, lots of people are dealing with job losses and financial stressors, so if there are external reasons for being stressed, that could explain it.

 

Alcohol is one of the worst things you can subject your nervous system to when it's already traumatized by psych drugs. As Dr. David Healy says it, benzos are alcohol in a pill. Both alcohol and benzos affect GABA, so you may still be dealing with damage caused by prior alcohol use, since that happened right before you started feeling worse in January. 

 

And as Alto mentioned, some of your symptoms could be side effects of the drug. Once your nervous system is destabilized, it can hyper-react even to the smaller doses of these drugs. 

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7 hours ago, Shep said:

 

CTS, I just re-read your thread to see if there were any patterns, and I noticed this.

 

Have you had any alcohol that might have caused this recent wave? Or any external stressors? With the pandemic, lots of people are dealing with job losses and financial stressors, so if there are external reasons for being stressed, that could explain it.

 

Alcohol is one of the worst things you can subject your nervous system to when it's already traumatized by psych drugs. As Dr. David Healy says it, benzos are alcohol in a pill. Both alcohol and benzos affect GABA, so you may still be dealing with damage caused by prior alcohol use, since that happened right before you started feeling worse in January. 

 

And as Alto mentioned, some of your symptoms could be side effects of the drug. Once your nervous system is destabilized, it can hyper-react even to the smaller doses of these drugs. 

 

Hi Shep, thanks as always for your thorough attention and consideration -- I really appreciate you. 

 

I had a moment of weakness and went on an alcohol binge on March 1st, which is about 6 weeks ago now. I'm angry with myself, but I have a new found resolve to totally avoid alcohol for the rest of the year, and possibly longer depending on my recovery. Now that you mention it, that time frame does line up pretty well with when I got  hit hard with these symptoms. I guess I didn't think the consequences of drinking could linger for 6 weeks, but I suppose its effects can be devastating to a sensitive nervous system. 

 

I do appreciate Alto's perspective, but I'm inclined to believe that what I'm feeling now is a wave rather than an affect of the drug for a number of reasons:

 

- My symptom pattern is extremely variable. For example, I'm feeling much better today than I did yesterday. 

- The symptoms are extremely similar to the ones I had when I cold turkeyed the benzo 3.5 years ago.

- There are symptoms that I would not normally associate with Anafranil (tingling in face, ringing in ears, heart palpitations, etc)

- In general, I've felt worse over these past 6 weeks than I did when I dropped from 25mgs to 18mgs 1 year ago.

 

I am about to refill my prescription of Anafranil at 18mgs for 90 days, and here is my plan: Continue the stable dose for 90 days and re-evaluate then. Do not touch alcohol indefinitely. Try to eat healthy and minimize stressors in my life. Then, if I'm still having problems in 90 days, I can consider another course of action. Do you think this is reasonable?  

 

 

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On 4/15/2020 at 12:32 PM, ColdTurkeySoup said:

I do appreciate Alto's perspective, but I'm inclined to believe that what I'm feeling now is a wave rather than an affect of the drug for a number of reasons:

 

With all due respect, CTS, you didn't post that you'd gone on an alcohol binge when you asked for feedback. 

 

On 4/15/2020 at 12:32 PM, ColdTurkeySoup said:

I am about to refill my prescription of Anafranil at 18mgs for 90 days, and here is my plan: Continue the stable dose for 90 days and re-evaluate then. Do not touch alcohol indefinitely. Try to eat healthy and minimize stressors in my life. Then, if I'm still having problems in 90 days, I can consider another course of action. Do you think this is reasonable?  

 

This sounds very reasonable. I'm very glad to read you will be avoiding alcohol. I think that has more to do with your recent wave than anything. I would also add in some non-drug coping skills so you don't feel the need to self-soothe with alcohol. For those of us who used psych drugs as a way of numbing down emotions, dealing with sleep issues, etc., we have to learn new skills. Please add a few of these to your daily routine. 

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

The main concern with using alcohol, especially with a benzo history, is kindling:

 

Kindling

 

Please do all you can to nurture your nervous system. It can only take so much. 

 

Please stop by from time to time and let us know how you're doing. 

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