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Can withdrawal affect hormone levels? Because I had my blood drawn by my primary doctor and he said my testosterone levels look low for someone my age. But then I got it again it was closer to normal.

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On 5/29/2019 at 4:29 AM, Mikegs96 said:

Can withdrawal affect hormone levels? Because I had my blood drawn by my primary doctor and he said my testosterone levels look low for someone my age. But then I got it again it was closer to normal.

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Update

 

I stopped having dreams. So I'm wondering if that means I'm not healing again. Also I tried searching to see if withdrawal can affect hormone levels and couldn't find anything. 

So I'm just wondering if withdrawal can affect testosterone levels? Because I had my blood drawn and was told they are low for someone my age. 

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Am I really going to be ok eventually? Because I was reading something online from a website Kelly brogan told me to go to. 

It pretty much says that the changes made to my brain are irreversible from being on ADHD meds and anti-depressants. Since my brain developed around neurotoxic drugs.

the article mainly focuses on ADHD drugs being prescribed to children. Is my brain actually permanently damaged from being on stimulants ?

 

this is the article.

https://breggin.com/childrens-page/

 

also is there a recommended dosage for the magnesium? Because I still have bad akathesia and feel very restless.

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So I ended up in a psych ER for the night because of an argument I got into with someone. 

They told me that I either take the seroquel to sleep for the night or they would give me an injection.

 

Does anyone think that set me back a lot and that it will take longer to recover?

 

Also if I only took 50mg's for that one night, do I still have to taper?

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So I emailed this one psychiatrist that acknowledges antidepressant withdrawals. I think his name was Stuart Shipko. I decided to ask him if he thinks I can recover even though I was on these drugs while my brain was developing and how long he thinks it will take. 

 

I ended up getting a response from him this morning. This is what he told me.

 

"Sorry to hear about your situation.  I don't have an answer for you, as there is not enough data/research on the subject.  Outcomes are highly variable.  Good luck to you."

 

Anyone have any opinions on this? It's hard to stay hopeful. Especially when I get answers like this. 

 

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Gridley
37 minutes ago, Mikegs96 said:

I decided to ask him if he thinks I can recover even though I was on these drugs while my brain was developing and how long he thinks it will take. 

 

 

The situation you describe, whether children who were drugged (i.e., when their brains were still still developing) could recover has come up a number of times on this site.  Moderators here were able to point to several examples (sorry, I don't have the specific stories) of full recovery.  The moderators noted that it was often necessary for those drugged as children to develop

non-drug techniques to cope with life since they hadn't had a chance to develop them in their formative drugged years.

 

 Non-drug techniques to cope

 

As to how long it will take, it is impossible to say.  The following link can be read as "hard medicine" but is ultimately hopeful in its message that we all do eventually recover.  This would be equally applicable to those drugged as children.

 

How Long Is Withdrawal Going to Take? (this post - see below)

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Gridley said:

 

The situation you describe, whether children who were drugged (i.e., when their brains were still still developing) could recover has come up a number of times on this site.  Moderators here were able to point to several examples (sorry, I don't have the specific stories) of full recovery.  The moderators noted that it was often necessary for those drugged as children to develop

non-drug techniques to cope with life since they hadn't had a chance to develop them in their formative drugged years.

 

 Non-drug techniques to cope

 

As to how long it will take, it is impossible to say.  The following link can be read as "hard medicine" but is ultimately hopeful in its message that we all do eventually recover.  This would be equally applicable to those drugged as children.

 

How Long Is Withdrawal Going to Take? (this post - see below)

 

 

Thanks. Have you ever heard of Stuart Shipko? 

I think I remember reading a topic about him in the past. He has a lot of articles on madinamerica.com I think. 

So time is the only answer for my symptoms to go away I guess? I've tried supplements, but they don't help much.

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Gridley
29 minutes ago, Mikegs96 said:

So time is the only answer for my symptoms to go away

 

Yes, time is the cure.

 

SA's approach--that it is possible to successfully taper after long-term AD use--resonates with me much more than Dr. Shipko's less optimistic view.  This is based on my personal experience and others' experience.   (I've been on Imipramine for 33 years and have cut my dosage by 2/3; I've been on Lexapro for 15 years and have tapered from 20mg to 2.3mg and am functioning).

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gridley said:

 

Yes, time is the cure.

 

SA's approach--that it is possible to successfully taper after long-term AD use--resonates with me much more than Dr. Shipko's less optimistic view.  This is based on my personal experience and others' experience.   (I've been on Imipramine for 33 years and have cut my dosage by 2/3; I've been on Lexapro for 15 years and have tapered from 20mg to 2.3mg and am functioning).

 

 

 

I guess I should just try to have a more positive mindset and avoids sites that have say you can never recover. Do you still think it's possible for me even though I cold turkeyed most of my meds? Someone told me that I might recover faster since I'm young. I'm 22. Don't know if it's true or not though.

 

I've seen a couple success stories where they recovered even after quitting cold turkey. I think it was pugs and Ethanc's story's. 

 

For the most part, people here have been really supportive and believe I can eventually recover completely. Even though I was on the drugs as a child and a teenager.

 

some symptoms have improved. Mainly just my sleep and the derealization. I'm getting about 3 hours a night. I'm probably going to get a sleep tracker to monitor the exact amount. I'm hoping that within a year I will be back to getting 6 hours of sleep and can start working again.

 

Dr. Shipko seems a little more optimistic in this article. https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/09/shooting-the-odds-part-iii/

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1 hour ago, Mikegs96 said:

Do you still think it's possible for me even though I cold turkeyed most of my meds? Someone told me that I might recover faster since I'm young. I'm 22. Don't know if it's true or not though.

Your youth is a great advantage.

 

It is definitely advisable to avoid sites that say you can never recover.  You don't need to be dealing with that kind of negativity.

 

Yes, I think you will recover.  You mentioned Pug and EthanC, both of whom CT'd.    Shep, one of our administrators, CT'd or fast-tapered many drugs back in 2015 and is doing very well.  The evidence is strongly in your favor that you will recover, regardless of CT or being drugged as a child.  The fact that you're seeing some improvements is an excellent indicator of eventual recovery.

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On 5/13/2019 at 10:46 PM, Gridley said:

Your continuing symptoms, such as insomnia, derealization nd anhedonia are attributable to continuing withdrawal from the Celexa

Never experienced these symptoms until I practically CTed off citalopram. You will see the same set of symptoms reported over and over and over. 

For me, this confirmed it was WD.

 

there is always hope

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If I take melatonin and magnesium for sleep for awhile. Do I have to taper either of them? since they're dietary supplements. 

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36 minutes ago, Mikegs96 said:

If I take melatonin and magnesium for sleep for awhile. Do I have to taper either of them? since they're dietary supplements. 

 

it's almost always better to taper off psychoactive substances than discontinue from a regular dose to 0 in a single large decrease. It doesn't have to be a lengthy taper, but it'll likely easier on your system if you do a bit of a taper.

 

If you decide to stop taking them, taper one at a time.

 

The 3mg melatonin you mentioned in an earlier post is pretty high.  Is it still working for you?  If not, you might want to ease down on the dosage.

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10 minutes ago, Gridley said:

 

 

it's almost always better to taper off psychoactive substances than discontinue from a regular dose to 0 in a single large decrease. It doesn't have to be a lengthy taper, but it'll likely easier on your system if you do a bit of a taper.

 

If you decide to stop taking them, taper one at a time.

 

The 3mg melatonin you mentioned in an earlier post is pretty high.  Is it still working for you?  If not, you might want to ease down on the dosage.

I decided to take 1mg instead. I ordered the magnesium off of amazon and am going to try that to help with sleep. I don't understand why you would have to taper the magnesium. since it's a dietary supplement, isn't it something naturally found in foods?

I figured maybe it's better to try a lower dose of melatonin instead, and try the magnesium with it. this is the magnesium I ordered. https://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Best-Absorption-Magnesium-Glycinate/dp/B000BD0RT0/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=doctors+best+magnesium&qid=1564702389&s=gateway&sr=8-3

I guess with the melatonin, if I want to stop it completely eventually I will just cut the 1mg tablet in half

Right now the only supplements I'm taking is a Centrum multivitamin,  a Vitamin D supplement, and 1mg of melatonin.

I don't think I would have to taper the first two.

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1 minute ago, Mikegs96 said:

don't understand why you would have to taper the magnesium.

 

Magnesium is naturally found in food but not in the doses supplied by supplements.  It has a calming effect and is thus psychoactive.  It might be fine to just stop it.  We don't know.  We do know that when in withdrawal our systems are much more sensitive. That's why I suggested tapering a bit so as to take no chances.

 

Magnesium glycinate is an excellent form of magnesium.

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Is CBD safe to use during withdrawals? I just took some a few minutes ago to see if it could help with insomnia?

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There are many existing topics on this site.  I like to use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to my search term.

 

It's a good idea to search the site for other members' experiences before trying something new.

 

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