Witsend81 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Wed 10 July Slept ok. A few cortisol spikes. Muscle twitches. 7am 5mg promazine 7.30am 50 mg sertraline 8.30am Wired/hyper 4/10 10am Swimming, more energy than last week 12pm 15mg promazine 12.30am Could of dread waves, subsided 2pm Tired 5/10 5pm Depression/anxiety 4/10 7pm Felt ok 8.30pm 20mg promazine 9pm Tired, felt ok 10pm Bed Thurs 11 July Best sleep in months. No waking. 6am Anxiety depression 3/10 6.15am 5mg promazine 6.30am 50mg sertraline 8am Felt ok 10am Went for walk, dizziness and head for 5/10 12pm 15mg promazine 4pm Dread wave. Settled eventually. 6.30pm Felt ok/tired 7.30pm Spaced out/blurred vision 4/10 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Felt ok 10.30pm Bed Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 12, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 12, 2019 You alright not really late night watching however your ability to diagnose yourself does you credit good luck at the doctor's Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 12, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 12, 2019 Hi Wend How did the GP appointment go and have you enough med to see you through the taper? Notes look good,the Promazine hold seems to have settles things down. What is the plan from tomorrow? Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Good morning Doctor agrees not making any changes and weaning off the promazine gradually is a good idea, prescribed another bottle and he wants to see me again at the end if this prescription 👍 Today, we are taking Sally for a walk and dinner out in a dog friendly pub, yoga this morn. How about you? Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 13, 2019 Glad to hear from you. Was getting slightly concerned. Bet you will be glad to get rid of the nagger😖. Sounds nice enjoy your day. We are out at agility with Tango. Don't forget notes, you might be too drunk when you get back, only joking. Have a great day. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 I need nagging ha ha. No alcohol for me, literally terrified of the stuff messing things up! I shall be living like a saint from no on 😇 Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 13, 2019 Saints have no fun. Lighten up on yourself.😈 maybe not this much. Good night. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Ha! In that case then I'll have to find other ways to have fun that don't involve alcohol 😉 Fri 12 July Slept ok. Awoke 4.30am, went back to sleep eventually, vivid dreaming, sweating. 7.30am 50mg sertraline 8.30am A few waves of nausea and anxiety 3/10 10am Felt ok. A few waves of anxiety. 12pm 15mg promazine 2pm Felt ok, few waves of anxiety/depression feelings 3/10 6pm Felt ok, slight anxiety 1/10 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Felt ok, tired. 10.30pm Bed Sat 13 July Slept ok. Awoke 4.30am but went back to sleep. Muscle twitches/sweating/vivid dreaming 7am Awoke feeling a bit anxious and depressed, 4/10. Settled on getting out of bed and getting ready. 7.30am 50mg sertraline 9.30am Felt ok 10.30am Exercise bike and yoga 11.30am Felt good 12pm 15 mg promazine 1.45pm Felt tired and weak 5pm Some anxiety 3/10 but generally ok. 7pm Felt ok, tired 8pm 20 mg promazine 10.30pm Bed Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 14, 2019 Hi Wend Hope you had a good weekend. 9 hours ago, Witsend81 said: Ha! In that case then I'll have to find other ways to have fun that don't involve alcohol 😉 As a gentleman speaking to a"lady" the most appropriate response has to be, no comment😈 You seem more consistent on the two day taper, what are you hoping for this week. Eight days to almost half the dose is good going. Have a good evening Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Evening Sass 🙂 Promazine withdrawal seems to be going ok 🤞. Going to continue reducing down 5mg every two days, all being well. This weekend was good, things are definitely settling down. Just one more week of recovery and then hopefully, back to work...(awaits cautionary warning from Sass about returning to work too early 😜). Have a lovely evening. Lady Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 15, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 15, 2019 Good morning my lady Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Good morning! ☀️😁☀️ Lady Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 15, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 15, 2019 Oy my lady. There is something missing on here and I thought I would not have to ask again. Are you winding me up? Diary please. If you think I am going to bow, nuts to you, I have a glass back ( Yorkshire for I am a lazy B******* ). If you think I am about to curtsy it will be in a kilt with appropriate undergarments, trust me that would give a heart attack.😈 I was going to say it is only six days since I cautioned you and the way have paced yourself means you can make an enlightened decision. But now I won't. By the way, how are you? Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Sassenach said: If you think I am about to curtsy it will be in a kilt with appropriate undergarments, trust me that would give a heart attack.😈 Hello Sass. Nooo, I've been through enough already, that would finish me off! I'm feeling okish, in that I definitely feel better than when I was really bad, but I'm not entirely out of the woods. I've got some life issues that need sorting before I can get better...I'm going back to work next week, but all this had made me realise I'm not happy there anymore and I need to get a new job, less hours, more time with son. So that's the plan. Oh yes, diary... Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 Sun 14 July Slept ok 7.30am 50mg sertraline 8.30am Felt ok, slight anxiety 10am Anxiety 2/10 12pm 10mg promazine 2pm Tired, anxiety 1/10 5pm Felt ok 9pm Felt ok. Tired. 10pm Bed As you can see, it was a very exciting day 🙄 Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 15, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 15, 2019 Presume you did take evening Promazine? Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Oh yes, silly me, 20mg of course. Memory and concentration are shot 🙁 Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Witsend81 said: Sun 14 July Slept ok 7.30am 50mg sertraline 8.30am Felt ok, slight anxiety 10am Anxiety 2/10 12pm 10mg promazine 2pm Tired, anxiety 1/10 5pm Felt ok 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Felt ok. Tired. 10pm Bed As you can see, it was a very exciting day 🙄 Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 16, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 16, 2019 Hi Wend Have you noticed in your diaries that your AMs are good but tiredness and anxiety start each day after Promazine? Talk to you later about life choices, got a wave going on so would probably land you in an oil rig job. Hope you are feeling OK Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Hello Sass. I'm having a bit of a wobble. It's the work thing. I'm really really dreading going back on Monday...I just don't want to go back, ever, but I have to at some point. I fear the longer I leave it, the more I'll dread it. Nobody has been covering me and the department is a mess. I'd just never go back if that were an option (I've worked there for too long, I should have left years ago). I think you are right about the promazine...sooner I'm off it the better, which will be next Thursday if I'm on schedule. Sorry to hear that you are in a wave ☹, hope it doesn't last too long. Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 16, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 16, 2019 Wend You are walking into entirely the wrong situation. You can't avoid it eventually but wait until you entirely off the Promazine for the sake of your health. I'm guessing you work for a large company where you feel like a statistic. I have tried to not ask too much of you but please think about this. Got to go. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 It is a large company...and you are probably right, I need to seriosly think about postponing my return. Maybe because I'm having a wobble, I'm blowing things up well out of proportion and getting all riled up as well 🙄, another reason for staying off a little longer... Here is my diary for Monday 15 July, no nagging required: Slept well, awoke feeling more relaxed 7.30am 50mg sertraline 9am Felt ok 10.30am Exercise class (light weight lifting) 11.30am Felt good 12pm 10mg promazine 2pm Tired and spaced out 5pm Dread wave 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Tired, migraine starting 10pm Bed I've now been on 50mg sertraline for a month. I feel like I'm stabilising, but still feel quite depressed, like a high functioning depression; I can get on with stuff and put the face on but the pain's still there. Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 17, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hi Wend 14 hours ago, Witsend81 said: Maybe because I'm having a wobble, I'm blowing things up well out of proportion and getting all riled up as well Are you feeling unprovoked and sudden anger? Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hello Sass. Not so much rage, but thinking negatively about situations and coming to bad conclusions; this leads to me feeling worse...I'm undergoing CBT counselling at the moment, so I know how I should be dealing with these thoughts but easier said than done sometimes. It does seem as though these thought spirals are triggered by waves of dread and shame that wash over me, and it's like my mind has to give those feelings a narrative. They go as quick as they come and then I'm ok again. Has your wave passed? Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 17, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hi Wend. Feel free to decline to answer 2 hours ago, Witsend81 said: waves of dread and shame Did you have these before W/D? Are they based on occurances from your past and or present ( no details please ) Are they why you were prescribed A/Ds in the first place. Does your CBT counsellor know you are experiencing withdrawal? CBT can be a great alternative to meds but does rely on our brains functioning well, which of course they not in W/D. Most of us feel better in the evening even after a bad day but you are tired most days at this time. It does seem to be after Promazine so hopefully should be over shortly. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Sassenach said: Did you have these before W/D? No, just since withdrawal. ADs were prescribed for classical anxiety and depression. Never did have panic attacks or really intense and unexpected "waves" before withdrawal. 2 hours ago, Sassenach said: Are they based on occurances from your past and or present The waters are muddied here, some life event did happen just before I withdrew. 2 hours ago, Sassenach said: Does your CBT counsellor know you are experiencing withdrawal? I've explained. I don't think she understands the impact withdrawal can have on people. Most don't, the awareness isn't out there. I'm going to post two days tomorrow, if that's ok. Have a nice evening Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 17, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hi Sounds like tough day. Thought before bed, assumimg you get it tonight. When you have your first true window, you will see and feel a part of yourself you had forgotten existed, in a very good way. First and last time🤗 Night Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 18, 2019 Good morning Wend Are you feeling any better this morning. Seems like you had a tough day yesterday. If you want to discuss some of the issues and would prefer to speak to a female moderator Please ask. What are your plans for today? SAS Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hello SAS Yes, it has been tough...hopefully today will be better! I'm planning on yoga and I've got the CBT this afternoon. Then tomorrow I'm going to get my hair done, going into town with my mum and eating out, so that will be nice. Thank you for all your support Sass, you are a true gent! Notes to follow... Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 18, 2019 Will send you a link regarding the royal college of psychiatrists u-turn might be worth printing off and giving to your CBT counsellor. The worst they can do is put it in the bin but they are all going to have to learn shortly. Entirely up to you whether you want to do it it but I am seeing my GP this morning and he is certainly going to get a copy. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/news-and-features/latest-news/detail/2019/05/29/rcpsych-calls-on-nice-to-update-its-antidepressant-withdrawal-advice Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Thanks Sass. It's about time they started helping people by providing the necessary means to taper slowly as well. Maybe by the time I stabalise and decide to get off again... Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Tues 16 July 1am Bad headache. 500mg paracetamol 7am 50mg sertraline 8am Negative thoughts/ruminating 10am Went for walk. Felt ok. 12pm 5mg promazine 2pm Negative thoughts/ruminating 4pm Tired/irritable 6pm Had a cry 7pm Felt ok 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Felt better 10pm Bed Wed 17 July Slept ok 7am Awoke feeling calmer today 7.30am 50mg sertraline 8.30am Anxiety starts up 4/10 10am Swimming 11am Felt ok 1pm Dread/anxiety wave/negative thoughts 1.30pm 5mg promazine 3pm Negative thoughts/rumination 6pm Felt better 8pm 20mg promazine 9pm Tired 10pm Bed Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 18, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hi Wend How are you feeling today? How did CBT go ? Down to one third Promazine I assume, congrats. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Witsend81 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hello 🙂 So-so today thanks. CBT was cancelled, was relieved. Took the car to be valeted instead, felt like I was driving a rubbish bin around! They left a really strong air freshener in, couldn't stand the smell, threw it in the bin, it gave me a headache! Just night time promazine to go 🙂 Did your doc take any notice of the new guidelines? Wend Citalopram 20mg for over ten years Dropped to 10 mg summer 2018 Rapid taper of medication from 10mg to zero from January 2019 to beginning of April Massive crash beginning of June 2019 Started back on 10mg citalopram 7 Jun Saw doctor 7 June. Upped dose to 20mg and prescribed diazepam 2mg for a week, no more than 4 a day. 17 June - Saw doctor. Switched to sertraline 50 mg once a day and promazine 25mg/5ml 1-2 5ml teaspoons up to four times a day (full dose not taken - 60mg a day instead) 4 July Reduced promazine to 55mg a day, 7 July 50mg, 9 July 45mg, 10 July 40 mg, 12 July 35mg, 14 July 30mg, 16 July 25mg, 18 July 20mg, 20 July 15mg, 22 July 10mg, 24 July 5mg, 26 July 0mg promazine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted July 19, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 19, 2019 Hi Wend 23 hours ago, Witsend81 said: Took the car to be valeted instead, felt like I was driving a rubbish bin around! You must be posh, I have to clean my own🤣 Surprisingly the doc did take notice. Handed him Royal Psych. thing in a sealed envelope, told him what was inside and if he wasn't interest he could bin it when I left ( could have chucked it in your car I s'pose) He opened it, read in full and admitted he was not aware. I pointed out that this mess was not going away and any GP who gets ahead of the curve is going to be a leader on the subject. We will see. As the Promazine dose reduces listen to your body and act accordingly. How are you today? Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
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