Amanda167

[Amanda167]

Hi Shep. 

 

Mon 29/07/19 diary

 

9am .50 valium (New time and dose)

 

Awoke to extreme chest, stomach, nausea pain and discomfort 

 

11pm. Forced to eat something 

 

12pm. Very sick and desperate.. took .750mg Zopiclone to try and get relief (Not advised)

 

3pm. Stomach eased a little, went downstairs to do a few chores. Psychotic symptoms, fits and very depressed. Went back to room.

 

6pm. Make dinner with my Son, terrible airhunger,  had to keep laying down. Lasted an hour at least.

 

7pm. 10mg Paxil 

7pm. 4mg quetiapine 

 

8.30pm. Bath. Very anxious still.

SI thoughts and depression are overwhelming. 

 

9pm. Walked dog.

 

9.45. Zoplicone 3.75mg 

 

1am. Went bed late as only time I feel slightly normal is after I take Zopiclone.... worrying.

 

Been practically bedridden for 4 days again due to the pain and severe nausea.

 

 

Hi Shep. 

 

Mon 29/07/19 diary

 

9am .50 valium (New time and dose)

 

Awoke to extreme chest, stomach, nausea pain and discomfort 

 

11pm. Forced to eat something 

 

12pm. Very sick and desperate.. took .750mg Zopiclone to try and get relief (Not advised)

 

3pm. Stomach eased a little, went downstairs to do a few chores. Psychotic symptoms, fits and very depressed. Went back to room.

 

6pm. Make dinner with my Son, terrible airhunger,  had to keep laying down. Lasted an hour at least.

 

7pm. 10mg Paxil 

7pm. 4mg quetiapine 

 

8.30pm. Bath. Very anxious still.

SI thoughts and depression are overwhelming. 

 

9pm. Walked dog.

 

9.45. Zoplicone 3.75mg 

 

1am. Went bed late as only time I feel slightly normal is after I take Zopiclone.... worrying.

 

Been practically bedridden for 4 days again due to the pain and severe nausea.

 

 

[Amanda167]

30/07/2019 diary

 

9am. Awoke only to take valium. 0.5mg

 

11am. Got up to severe nausea. Head and chest pain present but not as bad. Severe nausea, bad stomach, agitation and intrusive thoughts.

 

11.30pm. Ate cereal.

 

2pm. Smoothie... very emotional and distressed. Nausea won't go. 

 

6pm. Still feeling overwhelmed by constant terror.  Haven't left my room. Very agitated and negative looping thoughts. 

 

7pm. Paxil 10mg

7pm. Quetiapine 4mg

 

9pm. 0.50 Valium.  Still intrusive thoughts.  Nausea eased. In constant fear over nothing.

 

Afraid of splitting zopiclone tonight. Will take at 10pm but still undecided on what to do. Afraid to destabilise my CNS any further as just moved valium times and doses... need reassurance. Please advise.

 

Medications now terrify me, even OTC and natural ones too due to this whole experience. 

 

Still taking fish oil and magnesium glycinate.

 

Hope you're well x

 

[Shep]

23 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

I already Just finished adjusting the valium doses from 11am .60 and 7pm .40 to now both 9am/9pm .50, since that change, I've been very sick and scared to now stop the AM valium dose as already in Withdrawals from cutting it down 

 

I'm wondering whether to just split the zopiclone dose in 2 instead??

 

If you want to hold everything steady for awhile and let this most recent change in Valium dose to stabilize a bit more, that's fine. 

 

Since you had a rather intense reaction to taking the zopiclone so close to dosing Valium, I'm not sure about splitting the dose in 2. The problem you're going to have is, if you move it 12 hours apart to help with interdose withdrawal, you'll be taking it near when you take the morning Valium. So that may turn paradoxical, as it did when you took it the other day at noon. 

 

This is one reason I mentioned swapping the Valium out for the equivalent in Zopiclone in the morning. 

 

Please post your thoughts on this. Again, if you feel you would prefer to hold for awhile, that's fine, too. 

 

16 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

Still taking fish oil and magnesium glycinate.

 

Thanks for continuing on with your drug and symptoms journal. 

 

Please include your supplements (the name and dose) within your drug and symptoms journal so we know when you're taking them within the context of your symptoms. Are you taking them at the same time you take your drugs? 

 

[Amanda167]

49 minutes ago, Shep said:

you want to hold everything steady for awhile and let this most recent change in Valium dose to stabilize a bit more, that's fine. 

Hi Shep

 

I decided to go ahead but do it slower so I took less valium this morning with a small dose of zopiclone. 

 

My anxiety is at a all time high, it's pure torture getting through the days like this 

 

The pain has leveled out a bit but still the bad stomach and the acute anxiety that makes me feel like I'm going to have an heart attack any moment. Does this ever stop? Will I ever wake up and just feel normal again? The fear is extremely distressing. 

 

Do you think I should just stick for a while before further changes??

 

I haven't been able to go into my bedroom for 3/4 weeks now to sleep as so traumatised by the memories of withdrawal that I'm not comfortable there.  Will I get past this? 

 

So sorry for going on... just want this fear to go and to know what I'm experiencing is normal. It's like I'm constantly being held at knife point. Surely there's something I can do to take the edge off... in a mess. Can't be left alone. Feel like a prisoner.

 

I keep going into the garden to walk about. Want to try and go out during the day... do I force myself?? Will it help? So afraid.

 

Please let me know your thoughts.

 

Thank you endlessly

 

Amanda xxx

[Amanda167]

2 hours ago, Shep said:

Please include your supplements (the name and dose) within your drug and symptoms journal so we know when you're taking them within the context of your symptoms. Are you taking them at the same time you take your drugs? 

Hi Shep

 

How do I amend my signature 

Can't gain access to it

 

Thanks x

 

Updated... ignore x

Edited July 31, 2019 by Amanda167
Have managed to adjust now

[Amanda167]

9 hours ago, Shep said:

Please include your supplements (the name and dose) within your drug and symptoms journal so we know when you're taking them within the context of your symptoms. Are you taking them at the same time you take your drugs? 

Hi Shep

 

How do I amend my signature 

Can't gain access to it

 

Thanks x

[Amanda167]

1 minute ago, Amanda167 said:

Hi Shep

 

How do I amend my signature 

Can't gain access to it

 

Thanks x

Diary 31/07/19

 

9am. Valium Zopiclone.. on switch over slower

Slept in til 10.30am

 

11am breakfast, 1000mg krill, 200mg magnesium 

 

Anxiety sky high since breakfast and depression setting in.

Physical symptoms have greatly lessoned this morning thank god!!

 

3.30pm. Walked around the block for 15 mins with my Son to try lift anxiety and depression.  Depression stayed,  very dark and low moods all afternoon.

 

6pm. Dinner, 500mg krill, 100mg magnesium 

 

6.30. Bath/hair wash. Was proud because I normally only bath after Zopiclone 

 

7pm. 4mg quetiapine 10mg Paxil 

 

7.30pm. Went pets at home,  took dog park, went Tescos... felt depressed but not as bad as day time.

 

9pm. 0.5 valium

9.15pm. Started making fresh recipes up for next few days as I cook from scratch.

 

10pm. 375mg Zoplicone 

 

Still finishing kitchen chores.

 

12pm. Bed time.

 

The day was far better than the last 3/4 days apart from the dark depression,  really frightened me that it won't leave.

 

Best wishes

Amanda

[Bellamy]

Hi Amanda,

 

I'm so glad you had a little improvement.

 

I really hope you get more.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bellamy

[Shep]

13 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

9am. Valium Zopiclone.. on switch over slower

 

Please post the doses you are now taking for each of these drugs when you're doing your drug and symptoms journal. That's important information that you'll want to keep track of daily.

 

13 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

Physical symptoms have greatly lessoned this morning thank god!!

 

 

This is an excellent update, Amanda. I'm very glad to read you're doing so much better.

 

13 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

The day was far better than the last 3/4 days apart from the dark depression,  really frightened me that it won't leave.

 

Please stick with the same dose of Valium and Zopiclone in the morning for the next few days. I would do a very gradual crossover. Please continue posting your drug and symptoms journal daily and give yourself several days at this same dosing before making any more changes. 

 

13 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

11am breakfast, 1000mg krill, 200mg magnesium 

 

Anxiety sky high since breakfast and depression setting in.

 

You have listed in your signature - "1000mg vit D3 after breakfast".

 

But I don't see the vitamin D3 listed in your drug and symptoms journal. Did you take it yesterday but leave it out of your drug and symptoms journal? If you did take it, this could explain the ramped up anxiety. Vitamin D3 is a supplement that many people can't take during withdrawal due to their compromised nervous systems. Please see:

 

Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol or calcitriol)

 

Per the article: "NOTE: Vitamin D is a daytime vitamin. Even if you take it in the morning, it can keep you awake at night. Be sure to start low and don't take too much."

[Amanda167]

31 minutes ago, Shep said:

You have listed in your signature - "1000mg vit D3 after breakfast".

Hi Shep

 

Thanks for your reply

 

I've always taken vit D3 but forgot to list it. I rarely stick to  timetable with supplements  but upon reading up, decided to take  between 11 and 1pm daily.

Symptoms were definitely present before vit D3 intake.

 

Anxiety and agitation are still at an all time high, very uncomfortable.

Head pressure is still present and some vertigo.

[Amanda167]

35 minutes ago, Shep said:

Please post the doses you are now taking for each of these drugs when you're doing your drug and symptoms journal. That's important information that you'll want to keep track of daily.

I've been taking .40mg valium last 2 days in morning and .375 zopiclone (slightly more zopiclone to scale as suggested as I made a slight cut in the bedtime dose 

 

I plan to hold for at least a week then drop valium to .30mg

 

What do you think?

 

My brain  is hurting and the cross over is scaring me as just amble to get up again after last wave.

 

Advice greatly appreciated 

 

Amanda xxx

[Amanda167]

Hi Shep

 

As you know I'm concerned about changing the valium AM dose to zopiclone because I've been in such a bad wave for so long now. Been feeling so much intrusive thoughts, DP and depression today even though I've been far more active, my brain is in a complete fog.

 

You mentioned that I shouldn't take both together but I practically take a night dose of 0.50 valium every evening not long before the PM zopiclone dose.

 

I'm wondering if it would be a better option just to split my night dose into 2 doses? What's your thoughts?

 

Or shall I just continue making the change over from valium to zopiclone??

 

Either way, I'm badly wanting to come off all the added meds in May that the psych ward prescribed so I can just have the one med to concentrate on... Was wondering which was the better med to come off 1st, I believe the extra meds have made things worse for me and concerned they are causing more depression being on them.

 

Please let me know your thoughts? I'd appreciate this very much.

 

Best wishes, Amanda xxxx

[Amanda167]

01 Aug 2019 diary

 

9am. .40mg valium. 0.375 zoplicone 

 

9.30am. Got up. Depressed, head pressure, bad stomach. Anxiety is high.

 

10am. Chicken sandwich

Banana

 

11am. Went shop. DP, very low and agitated.

 

1pm. Sat in garden, intrusive thoughts of doom, still very low, trying to distract 

 

4pm. Early dinner

4.30pm - 7pm. Done lots of chores... head pressure still bad, DP, deoression

 

7pm. 10mg Paxil, 4mg Quetiapine 

 

7.15pm. Bath

 

9pm. .50 valium, took dog out. Brain fog, dizzy spells, fell over from a dizzy spell walking dog.

High sensitivity.

 

10pm. Zopiclone 3mg (reduced)

 

Came on period finally. 22 days late.

 

Blood sugar high.. prediabetic 

 

The physical symptoms are more manageable and got stuff done, however, the DP, anxiety and depression are awful and finding I have to keep busy to distract.

My Son is going away for 3 days which is adding to my anxiety. Feeling very stressed.

 

Thanks,  Amanda 

[Shep]

23 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

I've been taking .40mg valium last 2 days in morning and .375 zopiclone (slightly more zopiclone to scale as suggested as I made a slight cut in the bedtime dose 

 

I plan to hold for at least a week then drop valium to .30mg

 

What do you think?

 

This is not what I suggested. Please re-read my post here:

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/20835-amanda167/?do=findComment&comment=440243

 

The amount recommended is .25 mg Valium along with .375 mg Zopiclone in the morning and to keep everything else the same. 

 

But you're taking .40 mg Valium in the morning along with the .375 mg Zopiclone and reducing the nightly Zopilcone. 

 

Why did you decide on taking a higher dose of Valium in the morning and reducing the nightly Zopiclone? You've mentioned again and again that the Zopiclone is helping. 

 

12 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

10pm. Zopiclone 3mg (reduced)

 

Reducing the Zopiclone from 3.75 mg to 3 mg is a 20% reduction. This is a drastic change. 

 

Right now the goal is to slowly swap out the morning Valium for the equivalent amount of Zopiclone and keep everything else the same. 

 

I would take the following: 

 

9 am - .25 mg Valium and .375 mg Zopiclone

7 pm. 10 mg Paxil, 4 mg quetiapine 

9 pm - .50 mg Valium

10pm. Zopiclone 3.75 mg

 

 

[Amanda167]

14 minutes ago, Shep said:

Why did you decide on taking a higher dose of Valium in the morning and reducing the nightly Zopiclone? You've mentioned again and again that the Zopiclone is helping. 

Hi Shep

 

Because I've only just changed the valium time and dose. I've been in a bad way and was scared to then go from .60 to .50 valium straight to .25mg of valium.

I wanted to do it more gradually for fear of getting further withdrawals 

 

I thought if I could drop the night zopiclone dose a little, then I could eventually spread it to a AM and PM dose equally.

 

I'm extremely sick again today and back in bed. 

Shep said it was ok to decrease the AM valium gradually rather than daily.

I'm just afraid of making the wrong move as been so unwell for so long.

Do you still reccommend that I drop the valium straight to .25mg?

 

Will the zopiclone counteract the drop? Just terrified as already in a bad way.

 

Appreciate your thoughts

 

Amanda xx

[Shep]

7 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

Because I've only just changed the valium time and dose. I've been in a bad way and was scared to then go from .60 to .50 valium straight to .25mg of valium.

I wanted to do it more gradually for fear of getting further withdrawals 

 

I understand your fear, but the additional Zopiclone is covering for the Valium. That's why I figured out the comparable amount - so you could go down to .25 mg Valium and bring in enough zopiclone to make up the difference. 

 

7 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

I thought if I could drop the night zopiclone dose a little, then I could eventually spread it to a AM and PM dose equally.

 

You didn't drop it "a little" - you dropped it by 20%. 

 

Amanda, if you'd rather chart your own course, that's fine. All I can do is give you guidance using the protocols we have on Surviving Antidepressants. 

 

But if you're not interested in taking the moderators' advice here, you can use this thread to simply keep track of your symptoms. 

 

I'm offline on the weekends, but I've given you what would be a "best practice" approach if you choose to go by it. 

[Amanda167]

1 hour ago, Shep said:

But if you're not interested in taking the moderators' advice here, you can use this thread to simply keep track of your symptoms. 

Hi Shep 

I am interested in your advise and appreciate it greatly.

It's only been a week and I've reduced the AM valium from .60 to .50 which is almost 20%, I was afraid to reduce it another 50% drop so quickly so as we discussed, I reduced it another 20% first because I was afraid of dropping to quick right after a change.

 

1 hour ago, Shep said:

You didn't drop it "a little" - you dropped it by 20%. 

Sorry, my mistake... I only reduced my zopiclone by around 8%, not 20%. I'm on 3.40mg. This was to counteract taking it during the day.

 

Do you feel I should hold on the zopiclone??

 

I plan to decrease the AM valium again in a week but afraid to do it to quickly as not in a good way 

 

Been in bed again all day due to severe stomach cramps, nausea, head pressure and I've been getting alot of pain in my joints which is a new symptom. Usually the nausea and any pain lessons by the evening but still in a pretty bad way.

 

Apologies if I'm a little hesitant to make changes, im just really scared of not stabilising after 6 months of WDs.

 

I would still like your guidance.

 

Much appreciated 

Amanda x

[Shep]

 

5 minutes ago, Amanda167 said:

Sorry, my mistake... I only reduced my zopiclone by around 8%, not 20%. I'm on 3.40mg. This was to counteract taking it during the day.

 

 

Okay, I understand what you're doing now. Thanks for posting this.

 

So you removed .35 mg zopiclone (3.75 mg - 3.40 mg) from the nightly dose and added in .375 mg in the morning. 

 

Please confirm that your total daily Zopiclone amount is: 3.40 mg (night) + .375 mg (morning) = 3.775 mg total. 

 

You've gone from a total daily dose of 3.75 mg Zopiclone to 3.775 mg. That's not even a 1% increase, so you may not even notice it. 

 

Please be very careful writing up your daily drug and symptoms journal. Not providing the dose and / or typos in the amounts can cause problems in communication. Easy to make mistakes when you don't feel well, but please try as best as you can to give us accurate information. 

 

22 minutes ago, Amanda167 said:

Do you feel I should hold on the zopiclone??

 

I plan to decrease the AM valium again in a week but afraid to do it to quickly as not in a good way 

 

If you're more comfortable staying with the doses you are on now, that's fine. But please don't make any more changes. 

 

Please keep posting your drug and symptoms journal and also include the hours you're sleeping at night. I would let your symptoms guide you. If your sleep gets worse, than you may want to hold a bit longer. 

 

Also, let's see how the morning zopiclone helps with interdose symptoms. 

 

22 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

Came on period finally. 22 days late.

 

Blood sugar high.. prediabetic 

 

The physical symptoms are more manageable and got stuff done, however, the DP, anxiety and depression are awful and finding I have to keep busy to distract.

My Son is going away for 3 days which is adding to my anxiety. Feeling very stressed.

 

 

Make sure you're eating healthy and getting plenty of water throughout the day. Psychiatric drug withdrawal can cause sudden fluctuations in blood sugar, so please be mindful of this. The symptoms of low blood sugar mimic withdrawal - anxiety, mood swings, suicidal thoughts, fatigue, etc. 

 

Low blood sugar and symptoms (withdrawal hypoglycemia?)

 

Some information regarding menstrual problems during withdrawal:

 

PMS, PMDD, and menstrual cycle issues during withdrawal and after

 

While your son is away, since it makes you more anxious, you may want to hold your drugs steady and concentrate on self care.

[Amanda167]

13 hours ago, Shep said:

Please confirm that your total daily Zopiclone amount is: 3.40 mg (night) + .375 mg (morning) = 3.775 mg total. 

Hi Shep

Yes, this is correct.

 

I'm sleeping quite well but feeling extremely tired and very depressed, after I take my AM meds, I have to try and sleep still as exhausted.

 

Last 2 days, been really low, anxious and very sick. Struggling to hold on to faith.

 

I won't make any more changes currently.

 

Please tell me the depression lifts?

Head pressure/weakness and in the chest too. Fed up of waking up in pain and discomfort 

 

Everything I eat just upsets my stomach.

 

So sad x

[Sassenach]

Hi Amanda.

 

Not been on site this week so catching up.

Wednesday seems to have been the start of a small window.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/

Read the link above again, presume you have read it before and put wednesday into context.

Very slowly the good bits will get longer and more frequent, the symptoms will lessen in severity until they become bearable.

You will then be stabilising.

Belief is everything. You may look at threads on here and think everyone is doing better than you.

That is not necessarily true, we have learnt acceptance that it will take time, and we will make the best of it.

You are improving and will continue to do so.

Shep has put in a lot of work and shown great patience.

The depression will lift but it will feel easier if you go with it.

Catch you tomorrow.

 

Sassenach

[Amanda167]

17 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Amanda.

 

Not been on site this week so catching up.

Wednesday seems to have been the start of a small window.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/

Read the link above again, presume you have read it before and put wednesday into context.

Very slowly the good bits will get longer and more frequent, the symptoms will lessen in severity until they become bearable.

You will then be stabilising.

Belief is everything. You may look at threads on here and think everyone is doing better than you.

That is not necessarily true, we have learnt acceptance that it will take time, and we will make the best of it.

You are improving and will continue to do so.

Shep has put in a lot of work and shown great patience.

The depression will lift but it will feel easier if you go with it.

Catch you tomorrow.

 

Sassenach

Hi Sassenach 

 

Was wondering where you've been

 

I don't seem to be having any windows, even in the evenings now... even after the zopiclone 😢

 

I'm in a severe depressed state and praying for relief.

 

Do you think the change of valium dose and the decrease in the AM dose are possibly affecting my moods.  I'm practicing acceptance, not giving my thoughts much attention but can't seem to get out of this low mood... just hurting and crying.

 

My tremors have stopped, the air hunger is lessening lately too.

 

The head pressure and weakness is constant. My heart feels really weak and my stomach is playing up which has not been a problem up to a few weeks ago.

 

I can handle the physical symptoms better than the emotional,  this depression is scaring me, never felt so low and can't seem to talk about it.

 

I'm doing EFT on YouTube as EMDR videos.  I tell myself constantly I am healing but I dread waking up to the intense depression.

 

Will it ever leave?? I honestly can't understand how brutal this is and how others cope. I thought I was a very strong person.

 

I would do anything to make this stop!! 

 

Any other suggestions???

 

Will I ever awake feeling good again?

 

Just looking for reassurance I guess.

 

Hope you're good 

 

Amanda xx

[Amanda167]

Sat 3rd August diary.

 

9am. .40 valium. 375 Zopiclone 

Stayed in bed until midday as depressed and tired. Head pressure, anxiety and chest discomfort. Slept fine though.

 

12.30pm. Smoothie, banana, vit D3, krill, magnesium. 

 

From 1pm to 6pm. Mainly sat in garden. Physical symptoms easing but very emotional and low mood, DP

 

6PM. Egg salad, krill oil, magnesium. 

 

6.30pm. Crying from depression 

 

Decided not to eat much today due to bad stomach.

 

8pm. Bath

 

8.45. .50 valium

 

9pm. Walked dog for 15 mins only.

 

10pm. 3.40mg zopiclone 

 

Cleaned up a little, bed.

 

Depression is my worse symptom today x

[Amanda167]

Hi. Anyone out there to advise.

 

Got up extremely sick again, pain all over my body, nausea, head chest pain pressure, head ache, dizziness, palpatations.  I got up and collapsed.

 

Do you think the AM dose decrease from 0.6 to 0.4mg from the 24/07 could have made things worse?

I know I added .375 zopiclone,  but scared the valium drop is triggering more horror.

 

I'm sleeping better but waking up exhausted.

 

Shall I continue to hold??

 

Please advise. 

 

I'm in a severe state and so tired of this constant pain 

 

Thoughts appreciated 

 

Amanda x

 

[Bellamy]

Hi Amanda,

 

I had very severe nausea this morning for about two hours. It's been a symptom of mine for a few weeks now. For me the paroxetine withdrawal has been so overwhelmingly brutal that it can override the effects of other medications - 2 mg diazepam can't really touch it, and the mirtazapine I've been taking to help me sleep no longer seems to work. 

 

We both crashed at the same time - Feb 2019 , and for the same reason - a paroxetine taper. While I, like everybody else, has no idea what's causing a particular symptom,  I would at least entertain the idea that it might be the withdrawal from paroxetine.

 

I really do hope that you get some relief soon,

 

Bellamy

 

[Sassenach]

Hi Amanda

 

What do you mean by collapsed?

Ie. did your legs give way, were you just weak, did you experience severe chest pain?

Overall your symptom patterns are changing as they do in withdrawal but it is all part your body trying to repair itself.

You should definitely hold and wait for Shep tomorrow.

We all get tired of pain and pain tires us, so a double whammy.

It will get better but no one can tell you when.

Stay strong, stay calm and answer the above questions please.

 

Sassenach

[Amanda167]

3 hours ago, Sassenach said:

What do you mean by collapsed?

Hi Sassenach 

 

Did you get my reply?

I can't see it x

[Amanda167]

Diary for 04/08/19

 

Slept ok.

9am. Valium .40 zopiclone. 375

 

Woke up extremely tired although slept, nausea, head ache/pressure, heart weakness, burning eyes, body cramps, stomach pain, low mood, ears muffled. Stayed in bed.

 

12pm. Tried to get up, dizziness,  palpatations,  sickness, very weak, everything off balance and really sick. Crying.

 

12.15pm. My friend made me food.

 

12.30 to 7pm... still very weak and sick.. Crying. The sickness usually subsides by late afternoon/evening. It's constant all day and evening... even after Zopiclone now. 5pm. Had food.

 

7pm. Paxil 10mg. Quetiapine 4mg

 

9pm. Valium .50mg

 

Still very sick. Can't do anything. Sickness will not let up, never lasted all day until this week.

 

10pm. Will take zoplicone,  unfortunately can't get dog out 

 

Amanda x

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sassenach]

No Amanda, can't see it either, please resend

[Amanda167]

7 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

No Amanda, can't see it either, please resend

 

I sent a response earlier just saying that the dizziness and jelly legs are causing me to almost collaspe, some days it's so bad, I crawl upstairs as to weak to walk.

 

I'd had my zopiclone but even that is not giving me any relief, the nausea is constant the past week or 2, not usual. Will this fade out??

I can't get nothing done.

 

Thanks Sassenach x

[Shep]

1 hour ago, Amanda167 said:

Slept ok.

9am. Valium .40 zopiclone. 375

 

Woke up extremely tired although slept, nausea, head ache/pressure, heart weakness, burning eyes, body cramps, stomach pain, low mood, ears muffled. Stayed in bed.

 

12pm. Tried to get up, dizziness,  palpatations,  sickness, very weak, everything off balance and really sick. Crying.

 

 

I don't think combining Valium with Zopiclone is working well for you. 

 

This is what happened when you added in that bit of Zopiclone as a rescue dose last week:

 

On 7/29/2019 at 11:16 AM, Amanda167 said:

I took .750 zopiclone at noon to see if it would help.

Went downstairs to do a bit in the house and don't even recognise my house,  feel extremely depressed and can't seem to imagine ever feeling normal again and I keep having psychotic episodes which I've never experienced before WDs and they are overwhelmingly scary especially with the constant SI thoughts and depression.

 

And my response: 

 

On 7/30/2019 at 8:10 AM, Shep said:

Since you take your morning Valium at 9 AM, this dose of Zopiclone would have been three hours after dosing Valium. So the derealization (not being able to recognize your house) is either a side effect of the Zopiclone (it is a hypnotic) and / or a paradoxical reaction due to having already taken the Valium. 

 

I just want to go back to this in case you're getting an interaction between the two drugs, even at these lower doses. With a sensitive nervous system, it's possible. 

 

It's possible you may do better replacing the entire Valium dose with the equivalent in Zopiclone. You can do so slowly if you like. 

 

Or you can continue to hold and see if your nervous system can adjust.

 

Sassenach made an excellent point about the fact you did have a recent window. 

 

On 7/31/2019 at 6:25 PM, Amanda167 said:

The day was far better than the last 3/4 days apart from the dark depression,  really frightened me that it won't leave.

 

Keep in mind you're taking Valium and Zopiclone, which are both central nervous system depressants. They depress the central nervous system - so the fact you're feeling depressed is not uncommon for anyone on two of these drugs. 

 

So don't be afraid of it not leaving. It will. You just have to slowly taper first and then the healing phase can begin. 

[Amanda167]

1 hour ago, Shep said:

The day was far better than the last 3/4 days apart from the dark depression,  really frightened me that it won't leave.

Hi Shep

That was the 1st day I introduced the Zoplicone. 375mg in the morning.

Also, I take valium and zoplicone close together in the evening and no problem there.

1 hour ago, Shep said:

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1 hour ago, Shep said:

So don't be afraid of it not leaving. It will. You just have to slowly taper first and then the healing phase can begin. 

So, do I stay on course until I eventually get rid of the valium to .750mg Zopiclone??

 

You think this will still be the better option?

 

Do you think I should perhaps take the zoplicone an hour after the valium??? 

 

Will the nausea subside after a while?

 

Thanks so much

 

Amanda x

[Shep]

5 minutes ago, Amanda167 said:

Also, I take valium and zoplicone close together in the evening and no problem there.

 

The difference may be in the level of cortisol. Cortisol is high in the morning and low at night, so the mix of high cortisol with the morning Valium and Zopiclone may be causing problems, since you mention it's gotten worse since you made the change. 

 

Sorry, Amanda, other than that, I really don't have an answer to why you're having such unpredictable symptoms. 

 

9 minutes ago, Amanda167 said:

Do you think I should perhaps take the zoplicone an hour after the valium??? 

 

 

You could separate them and see if that helps. You may want to take the Zopiclone first so you can get it in your system first thing in the morning to help with interdose withdrawal. 

 

Does the nausea go away at night? When does it start during the day, before or after your morning drugs? 

 

Does it get better, worse, or stay the same after you take Paxil and quetiapine? 

 

[Amanda167]

9 hours ago, Shep said:

Does the nausea go away at night? When does it start during the day, before or after your morning drugs? 

Morning Shep

 

Thanks for responding 

 

The nausea is not going away at all. It normally does but this week, apart from 1 day, it is constant and not going at all.

 

It starts as soon as I awake BEFORE even taking the AM valium and zopiclone.

 

9 hours ago, Shep said:

Does it get better, worse, or stay the same after you take Paxil and quetiapine? 

It doesn't get any better. Stays the same.

 

Waking up very tired and sick even though I'm sleeping much better, hardly waking during the nights at all lately.

 

If anything, the zoplicone used to help but doesn't seem to lesson the nausea like it used to. So wish this nausea would go away. Is there anything I can do? Just spending my days in my room 😢

 

Is it common to feel sick all day?

It's only started since switching doses, it used to go away by late afternoon at least 😓

 

Many thanks

Amanda xx

 

 

[Amanda167]

Hi Shep

 

I should mention, I ran out of liquid quetiapine because the doctor didn't send my prescription over so  got delayed , it has to be ordered in and not ready til tomorrow.  I've had to take the quetiapine in tablet form past 2 days and again tonight.

Do you think this would cause a problem? Xx

 

 

[Shep]

2 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

So wish this nausea would go away. Is there anything I can do?

 

You may have already seen this, but if not, worth a read:

 

What to do for dizziness, queasiness, nausea

 

One of the main problems with nausea is it makes it very hard to eat and this affects blood sugar. Since some people going through withdrawal already experience wild fluctuations in blood sugar, having it drop unpredictably can cause a lot of the same problems as withdrawal - anxiety, depression, fatigue, irritability, feeling faint, etc. 

 

Ginger and peppermint tea may help, Marshmallow Root and /or Slippery Elm may help. Please research anything you find that may help and make sure there are no interactions. 

 

If you can get the nausea down to a manageable level, you'll be able to eat enough protein and drink enough water to stay strong. 

 

2 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

It's only started since switching doses, it used to go away by late afternoon at least 😓

 

2 hours ago, Amanda167 said:

I should mention, I ran out of liquid quetiapine because the doctor didn't send my prescription over so  got delayed , it has to be ordered in and not ready til tomorrow.  I've had to take the quetiapine in tablet form past 2 days and again tonight.

Do you think this would cause a problem? Xx

 

It sounds like the nausea started prior to switching to the tablet version of quetiapine. Is this correct? If so, then it's not likely caused by this switch, although it could be making it worse. 

 

On 7/24/2019 at 7:50 AM, Amanda167 said:

I'm so sick 

 

Think I need hospital 

 

Something is very wrong 

 

Help please 

 

Am in a very bad way 

 

Cab I be having adverse reactions,

 

Amanda, let's look at an "overall view" of where you're at. Before you made the switch with the Valium and Zopiclone, you were in a crisis state.

 

Are you overall feeling better than you were when you posted this statement about needing a hospital prior to making these changes? 

 

[Amanda167]

25 minutes ago, Shep said:

sounds like the nausea started prior to switching to the tablet version of quetiapine. Is this correct? If so, then it's not likely caused by this switch, although it could be making it worse. 

Hi Shep

 

Yes, it started before the valium switch but would go away, it's not leaving all day. It's driving me crazy. 

 

I have Colpermin, do you think it would help?

 

I also never had stomach issues during the WDs and they only started about 2/3 weeks ago.

 

The ear fluttering is constant too.

 

If the nausea went, I'd be better today than yesterday. I'm literally wanting to call the hospital daily because I'm just in pain one way or another. The constant symptoms are causing depression.

 

Is it normal to be bedbound? I get up, walk around, but to sick to do anything. 😢

 

It went 2 days last week only to come back.

32 minutes ago, Shep said:

Amanda, let's look at an "overall view" of where you're at. Before you made the switch with the Valium and Zopiclone, you were in a crisis stat

I agree. It's been constant.

Everyday, it seems a new symptom is worse whilst 1 has left. So hard to tell.

 

Thanks Shep x