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Thanks Alto, I have an extra air conditioner in my bathroom so I’ll need to use a sleep mask. I would have already tried it, but I sweat so much at night even with a window air conditioner extra in my bedroom window. I’ve always been a sweater. Now with menopause approaching , possible withdrawal, summer heat and my natural  hyperhydrosis. I think my anxiety over sleeping and thinking that I’ve screwed myself up following Dr, Glenmullen’s taper recommendations in his book is contributing to my insomnia. I’m naturally a more anxious person, let alone withdrawal. Thank for your help and running this site, it’s greatly needed and so appreciated. Thank you.

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Feeling ok today, just tired from lack of sleep. I think that i should keep at this up dose of 2.5 mg and see how I feel. I’m afraid to feel worse so I think I should stay here unless I feel worse. Here is my outline of today.

 

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Gridley
12 hours ago, Bigbird said:

I think that i should keep at this up dose of 2.5 mg

 

Thanks for reporting. Please give us one more symptom report tomorrow.

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Hey Gridley, mornings, presently  at this moment, I feel anxious. I worry. I worry about feeling anxious, I think why am I feeling anxious, will it go away, get worse. Will it last forever. Is this anxiety from withdrawal or me?  It’s like I obsess over the anxiety. Any suggestions?

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Gridley
18 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

Any suggestions?

 

Here are some techniques that help with anxiety:

 


It's very good that you're feeling okay today except for the tiredness.  Anxiety for most people in withdrawal is worst in the m morning, so that is normal.  

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Thank you Gridley for your help and patience. I will keep focusing on the links that you have provided. I feel better now, less anxiety since I just came back from a walk with my dogs. Thank you again 😊

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Slept better I think with eye mask, working on daily anxiety coping.

6:00 am got out of bed, not sure when I awakened since I had the eye mask on. Awakened once to go to the bathroom. I felt I slept lightly, anxiety from most likely worrying about lack of sleep.

6:15 am tea

7 am breakfast

12 pm lunch

6 pm dinner

6:15 pm 2.5 mg paxil

 9:30 -10 pm sleep

anxiety  feeling throughout the day, mild to moderate, working on anxiety reduction techniques , tinnitus, it’s been hanging around two years since last failed taper, hoping to reduce that

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15 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

Slept better I think with eye mask, working on daily anxiety coping.

6:00 am got out of bed, not sure when I awakened since I had the eye mask on. Awakened once to go to the bathroom. I felt I slept lightly, anxiety from most likely worrying about lack of sleep.

6:15 am tea

7 am breakfast

12 pm lunch

6 pm dinner

6:15 pm 2.5 mg paxil

 9:30 -10 pm sleep

anxiety  feeling throughout the day, mild to moderate, working on anxiety reduction techniques , tinnitus, it’s been hanging around two years since last failed taper, hoping to reduce that

 

Good report, Bigbird! You are doing great.

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5:15 am awake I think I awakened after 4 am sometime, I think that I slept ok, I awakened  once to go to the bathroom.

6 am decaf tea magnesium 

7 am breakfast, fish oil

11 am snack

1 pm lunch

5 pm dinner

6 pm Paxil 2.5 mg

9:30 - 10 pm bed, magnesium

Just feeling tired and get concerned about having insomnia since I’ve never had sleep problems before. Trying to keep myself positive and not read any negative information about withdrawal. 

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I actually y went to bed a little later yesterday, I was reading about insomnia, probably wasn’t a good idea. I went to bed around 10:30 pm, I awakened during the night to use the bathroom, never checked the time then I had the thought I hope I can go back to sleep. Of course I couldn’t, probably anxiety about sleeping. Feeling pretty tired and emotional.  Not sure how to get out of this cycle, any suggestions Gridley. Did you personally struggle with sleep?

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Gridley
16 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

Did you personally struggle with sleep?

 

I struggle with sleep, as do many if not most of us here at SA.  Insomnia is perhaps the most common withdrawal symptom.  It's miserable but nothing to get anxious about.  I take 0.5mg melatonin before bed and that helps a bit, also some magnesium glycinate, which is calming.  No computer after dark, make your room as dark as possible, try a sleep mask--and no reading about insomnia!

 

You're doing very well, Bigbird.

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Thanks Gridley, I just feel so tired, makes me feel awful. It’s my thinking that’s the problem, worrying if it will ever improve. One day at a time I guess. Thanks for replying and for your support. 😊

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Hey Gridley, what do you think of daytime naps. I’m feeling pretty sick, just plain exhausted. I don’t think any new withdrawal symptom just from no sleep. What do you suggest? I was concerned it messing with my sleep tonight, just looking for some comfort from feeling so crappie . What is your thoughts on dayrnaps?

thanks

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8 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

What is your thoughts on dayrnaps?

thanks

 

Personally, I take them when I feel sleepy in the afternoon.  I haven't noticed they affect my nighttime sleep.  You could try try it and see how it works for you. 

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Guilietta

Hi Bigbird.

 

I have trouble with insomnia as well (as Gridley said - like most of us on AD).  I have found that the following things help me:

 

1. Turn off the computer no later than 7 p.m. - this includes your tablet and phone too. Using these devices (between the light and the thinking!) makes falling asleep and staying asleep both hard for me. I know some people can do later - but 7 is my

2. Shut off all the lights in the room (no nightlight, the LEDs on your TV box (I put somethign in front of it), darken the windows and use an eye mask.

3. I listen to a relaxation/guided meditation recording - with the lights down (or off). Sometimes I still have trouble to quiet my mind.

4. Read something you enjoy and that is relaxing.

 

When you're really tired take a nap. I try to avoid this so I don't disrupt my natural sleep cycle.

 

G.

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Gridley and Guilietta  thank you for responding. Is it normal to feel so sick feeling when you haven’t had enough sleep? I’ve never had any sleeping issues before so I was wondering is this normal or withdrawal symptoms? What are your thoughts, thanks again for reaching out.

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Gridley
1 hour ago, Bigbird said:

Is it normal to feel so sick feeling when you haven’t had enough sleep?

Yes, I';m afraid it is pretty standard to feel bad when you don't get enough sleep.  On the days after a relatively good night's sleep, I feel much better than on the days following not-so-good sleep.  

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1 minute ago, Gridley said:

Yes, I';m afraid it is pretty standard to feel bad when you don't get enough sleep.  On the days after a relatively good night's sleep, I feel much better than on the days following not-so-good sleep.  

Thanks again Gridley, again being a great helping hand. Feeling not so alone . Thanks again. My name is Lita by the way. 😊

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Gridley good morning, I’m feeling tired and discouraged.  The entire process scares me, is this normal? Any suggestions on how I can cope during this difficult time? The anxiety and doubts that I can do this,  will I lose my sanity. Is there something seriously wrong with me. Is the secret keeping myself busy? Any suggestions will be so appreciated. Thank you for your support.

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1 hour ago, Bigbird said:

 The entire process scares me, is this normal?

Good morning.  Yes, it's a scary process because your mind is not acting right.  This is not you, it is the drugs.   There's no getting around the fact that this is a difficult process, and a slow one, but you can do it.  No, you will not lose your sanity, though it can feel that way at times.  Acceptance is very important, you are in this situation and try to make the best of it.  

 

One of the secrets is keeping yourself busy.  We highly recommend distractions, anything that takes your mind off yourself.  The type of distraction varies according to the individual, whatever you like.  I read.  Others watch you tubes.  Others walk outdoors. Whatever appeals to you.  You're not wasting time, you are healing every second, and the distractions make it easier.

 

Try those links I sent you about anxiety.  That's another good distraction and they can be very helpful.

 

There is no question in my mind that you can do this and you will be a stronger person once you're on the other side.

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18 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Good morning.  Yes, it's a scary process because your mind is not acting right.  This is not you, it is the drugs.   There's no getting around the fact that this is a difficult process, and a slow one, but you can do it.  No, you will not lose your sanity, though it can feel that way at times.  Acceptance is very important, you are in this situation and try to make the best of it.  

 

One of the secrets is keeping yourself busy.  We highly recommend distractions, anything that takes your mind off yourself.  The type of distraction varies according to the individual, whatever you like.  I read.  Others watch you tubes.  Others walk outdoors. Whatever appeals to you.  You're not wasting time, you are healing every second, and the distractions make it easier.

 

Try those links I sent you about anxiety.  That's another good distraction and they can be very helpful.

 

There is no question in my mind that you can do this and you will be a stronger person once you're on the other side.

 

18 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Good morning.  Yes, it's a scary process because your mind is not acting right.  This is not you, it is the drugs.   There's no getting around the fact that this is a difficult process, and a slow one, but you can do it.  No, you will not lose your sanity, though it can feel that way at times.  Acceptance is very important, you are in this situation and try to make the best of it.  

 

One of the secrets is keeping yourself busy.  We highly recommend distractions, anything that takes your mind off yourself.  The type of distraction varies according to the individual, whatever you like.  I read.  Others watch you tubes.  Others walk outdoors. Whatever appeals to you.  You're not wasting time, you are healing every second, and the distractions make it easier.

 

Try those links I sent you about anxiety.  That's another good distraction and they can be very helpful.

 

There is no question in my mind that you can do this and you will be a stronger person once you're on the other side.

Gridley, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You are helping me keep positive and going forward during one of the most difficult things I’ve ever had to go through.

thank you and a giant hug😊

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Guilietta

Hi Bigbird (and Gridley),

 

When I started my taper 7 months ago - the doc said I would have a lot of physical symptoms (he was vague about them!) and he said I may think I was 'going out of my mind' - and he is right. I have had those moments. Tapering off these meds is difficult for some us - we deserve credit for doing it and staying the course.

 

Like Gridley said - exercise, keep busy and focused on something (physical things I find more helpful). One nurse told me that 'thinkey' things aren't good when we are experiencing a lot of anxiety.

 

One thing that helps me through rough spots is being around people, physical activity, and keeping my mind focused intently on something.

 

G.

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16 minutes ago, Guilietta said:

Hi Bigbird (and Gridley),

 

When I started my taper 7 months ago - the doc said I would have a lot of physical symptoms (he was vague about them!) and he said I may think I was 'going out of my mind' - and he is right. I have had those moments. Tapering off these meds is difficult for some us - we deserve credit for doing it and staying the course.

 

Like Gridley said - exercise, keep busy and focused on something (physical things I find more helpful). One nurse told me that 'thinkey' things aren't good when we are experiencing a lot of anxiety.

 

One thing that helps me through rough spots is being around people, physical activity, and keeping my mind focused intently on something.

 

G.

Hey Guilietta,

its not easy, I was feeling pretty much fine most of my taper until recently. I’ve read a lot on this site and sometimes it’s confusing . I’m just doing my best to stay positive and know that healing is taking place  and I will feel better eventually . I think I’m trying to read too much on the subject. I need to accept that I don’t feel great at the moment but slowly I will start healing. Everyone eventually heals.

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Gridley sorry if I’m a pest, I just have a question.  I read all of the links that you sent me when I did my introduction. Do you think it would be better for me to avoid reading anymore information on this site because I tend to find it triggering. I read someone’s negative comment and think what if that happens to me , what if I start to feel worse etc. etc. Maybe reading too much information is making things worse, what do think and suggest. Thank you for your support.

Lita

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Guilietta

Hi there!

 

Same way here - I have days when I feel fine - and then will be unpleasantly surprised by symptoms. There is a tremendous amount of information on SA - and I am overwhelmed by it, confused sometimes by it as well, etc. And I think we may not be alone in this regard.  😉   One thing to consider (I need to do more of this) is to ask myself why I am looking for something - and to stay focused on it. It's easy to lose focus when you see something else that looks interesting and potentially useful - even though it's not what you are looking for in the moment.

 

G.

 

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Hey Guilietta,  I tend to be naturally over focused on things when I want to understand them. I’m finding that if I read too much I start feeling more anxious.  It’s like I’m looking for some kind of magic answers. When I need time to let my body heal and not taper until I feel completely stable and then do it very slowly. I just get afraid that I won’t heal and I will feel crummy or get worse forever. Sometimes too much information is too much. 😊

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Gridley, I slept better. My biggest issue is with the unrelenting anxiety.  The last time that I tried to taper my doctor had me convinced that I would never be without medication since I’m so anxious. I feel afraid to be alone and don’t want to do things. Like today I have a counselling appointment and I’m not really wanting to go. Last time I was there I was feeling relatively stable and now I feel so much more anxious.  I get so fearful on how I will get through this. None of this makes much sense. How do you go from feeling ok to so anxious? What do I do? It’s very scary, have you experienced this? I can’t agree with my past doctor since I’ve coped the majority of my life without medication. Please any advice would be so appreciated.

thank you, 

Lita

 

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2 hours ago, Bigbird said:

How do you go from feeling ok to so anxious?

 

That's the way it works.  Some days are going to be better, others not so good.  Having a counseling appointment is certainly a stressor.  What they say here on SA is really true: one day at a time.  Sometimes when it's really bad it's one minute at a time.  Looking ahead and saying, how will I get through this, isn't productive.  You need to stop yourself when you start doing this and say, I'm not doing this.  That kind of self-disciplining will work, if you do it enough and are firm with yourself.  Say, I'm going to make it through this just fine.

 

None of this makes sense--that's very true.  That's because these drugs are very powerful.  But we all heal from them.  It just takes time.

 

I have experienced the things you're talking about.  Your previous doctor is wrong.  Their job is to push pills.  You can make it through life without the drugs.  As you said, you did it before.  Except this time when you get through this you will be much stronger than before.

 

 

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Thank you so much Gridley you are helping me so much. That’s the problem I am doubting my ability to survive and get through the misery that I’m experiencing. It’s my lack of confidence. I’m going to take some of your responses and write them down in a book to look at daily to help me. I appreciate your patience and support. I guess I just feel consumed by the entire process and I’m obsessing over it all which isn’t very helpful at all. Thank you again.

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Good morning Gridley, I hope that your well. I had a very helpful counselling appointment yesterday. I just wanted to let you know that she is 100% supportive of my tapering off Paxil.  She had past experience with it herself. Also sadly she deals with other patients  that are also experiencing withdrawal and have no idea what’s going on with no help or understanding from their doctor. She recommended that I no longer read about withdrawal or sleep and to start practicing daily medication in the morning and evening.  She said that I have enough knowledge, since looking at more just makes me obsessive and more anxious. Read only fiction novels, and enjoy show series on Netflix, walk my dogs,  spend time outdoors with nature.  It really helped reduce my anxiety. She is so understanding on how raw my nervous system is. I’m taking it one day at a time and I know that my body is healing and I will treat myself with kindness and understanding. Thank you so much for your support, you’ve made a difference in my life and I’m sure that your helping many others. Hugs, Lita 

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1 hour ago, Bigbird said:

I had a very helpful counselling appointment yesterday.

 

What a great report!  I think you have a wise counselor and her advice is good.  You do have plenty of knowledge and, yes, take it one day at a time, yes, your body is healing, and yes, treat yourself with kindness.  That's one of the things I says to myself, "Be kind to yourself."  You're doing great!

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Thank you Gridley, I wish I could hug you in real life. The support you  moderators give here is so needed and life changing.

I'm taking it one day at a time, knowing my body is healing and I will get through this bump in life. I’ll keep you posted on how I’m doing, your support has been very helpful. I hope you doing well in your own healing. Hugs, Lita

 

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46 minutes ago, Bigbird said:

Thank you Gridley,

You're very welcome.

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Guilietta

Hello Lita,

 

I was glad to see your post and that you are feeling confident and optimistic (now!) about your taper. You will be successful. Exercise and sleep are also so important - which I'm sure your wise counselor told you. Isn't it nice that the counselor has been down this path and understands and empathizes with you.  You are very fortunate.

 

G.

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Hey Guilietta, thank you for your support and kind words. I walk my dogs daily and I’m expecting the sleep issues to work themselves out. My therapist is a female and she took Paxil many years ago for postpartum depression just like I did. She said she has so many clients struggling just as we are. I’m keeping positive because I’ve discontinued antidepressants before and I can and will again. I hope that your doing well with your own healing and we all just need to give ourselves self compassion and understanding while we heal. Best wishes for you. 😊

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Hi Gridley just an update today. I’m feeling somewhat strange in my body, almost like jittery, I’m tired so maybe that’s it. I was just wondering does feeling like this normally settle down? I’m not sure what to expect. I don’t think an up dose would help and that I should just settle where I am, I don’t want to make things worse. I’m just doing my best to distract myself the best that I can and tell myself that I’m healing and that I can do this, that all I’m feeling is withdrawals and that it won’t last forever. Any other hints or suggestions that you recommend. I hope that your well and thank you so much. 😊

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