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Hi,

 

I was healthy, happy person until 2017.

 

Unfortunately I went through situational stressfull period in the beginning of 2018 and was prescribed Mirtazapin to calm down and to go it over easier. I took 7.5mg for 2 months. Already 3rd day on it neuroanxiety started, I was scared to death but accepted it as starting symptom (I even didn't know it was anxiety).  Overall I slept 13hrs a day, felt dizzy and anxiety was there about twice a week so after 2 months I stopped CT knowing nothing about ad wd. 6weeks after non-stop massive anxiety started, I was put on Sertraline, which caused 100% insomnia, fever, vomitting so stopped after 10 days and I was put back od Mirtazapin and stepwisely went to 30mg to "cure" neuroanxiety from Mirt (I didn't know it, I was thinking having serious anxiety disorder)...however anxiety persisted even in lesser extent and I slept good...After 1 month on 30mg I started to be extremely agitated and shortly after anxiety increased and my sleep crashed to 4hrs as well some melancholic spells started. I finally started to google in English and found out that Mirtazapin is cause of my state..

 

Since Nov 2018 I started tapering 10% every 2 weeks, I know, fast taper but still manageable for me (I had absolutely no pattern in wd sxs). I was on sick leave and still am. Last cut was to 4mg (23rd June). Since July I hit the wall as severe nonstop anxiety hit me again with high BP spikes and terrible other symptoms (sxs were at scale from 1-10 at 5 until June, since July 9-10), I'm bedridden. I hardly sleep, waking from anxiety, sweating terribly, up at 4 a.m. 

 

I have to say I have never had anxiety, depression, insomnia my whole life as well any disposition to it (no childhood trauma, very sociable), I have hormonal issues.

 

Currently I know I will have to hold to stabilize. But I'm desperate because my anxiety is so severe it is unbearable for me. Should it be unavoidable during wd I'm not able to go through...I lost already 20lbs on Mirt and have no more reserves. Just I have feeling I'm stuck in this forever but feeling terribly so it can't go on so. Any supportive words?

 

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Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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Hi Maya

 

Welcome to SA.

I am sorry you are having such a hard time.

Unfortunately your story is one we hear frequently on here due to the ignorance of doctors and psychiatrists when it comes to

Antidpressant Withdrawal.

The good news is you are only taking one drug.

You are suffering W/D ( withdrawal symptoms ) caused by tapering far too fast, not your fault.

The only known way to alleviate withdrawal symptoms is by reinstating or updosing to help you stabilise.

We realise no one likes the idea of staying on the drug and you can choose to wait it out, but there is no way of knowing how long that may take.

Please read the following links to inform yourself.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/

 

We do need to know whether you have taken any other medications in the last two years.

As you are using Google translator please be sure to ask if there is anything you do not understand.

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi Sassenach,

 

thank you for reply. 

 

My other medication is thyroid med 75 mg (approx since 2003). 

Otherwise between Mirtazapin reinstating I was 10 days on Sertraline 25mg and Benzo (Bromazepam) 3mg.

 

I don't use google translator. I have no problem to understand.

 

My fast taper was my decision and I was motivated by overall improvement during April-June with minimal anxiety.

Fall down was a shock. I would like to try to stabilize wo up-dosing even if I don't know how long could I continue so wo collapse. I was very bad on 30mg too so I'm afraid it wouldn't bring relief. Really desperate😭.

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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Hi Maya

 

How are you feeling today?

Would you please add thyroid med to your signature.

This allows mods to see at a glance all the meds you are taking and shows below every post you make.

The choice whether to updose is entirely yours and there is no right or wrong answer.

If you have read the links I sent,  you will know that updosing is more likely to be successful the sooner it is started.

Your symptoms sound severe and I know how that feels.

If you were to to updose we would recommend a very small dose, and there is no suggestion that you should go up to 30 mgs.

That amount could cause kindling and overload your CNS ( central nervous system ).

We always urge caution and taking things very slowly because the CNS can only rebuild gradually.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/6632-the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable/

When we are feeling really ill it is likely at some point to feel we must be proactive and do something.

It is however the wrong time to make any change as it always turns out to be the wrong decision.

If you choose to updose please contact to recommend a dose before doing so.

Please keep in touch.

 

Sassenach

 

 

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi Maya

 

How are you feeling now?

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi Sassenach,

the situation by me is not good and my family is thinking about sectioning which would lead to medication change and polydrugging. 

 

Last days except poor sleep are the worst sxs like swollen head burning feeling and terrible weakness with persisting anxiety.

 

As many have this experience, noone from medical community in my country would accept there are wd symptoms (from dr officially GAD diagnosis). It's really difficult. I'm middle aged woman, was successfull at work (management position in banking), having family (2 small kids) but currently I'm seen as seriously psychically ill (?some pill paranoia masking personal probs..etc). As I'm not looking well (hair fall and strong acne since wd), it is so more believable. 

 

So, I don't how my story goes on.

 

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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Hi Maya

 

Sorry you are having such a rough time.

The hair loss is a less rare side effect quoted for Euthyrox .

Neither it nor acne are normal W/D symptoms.

I would suggest that you get a doctor to check for you.

5 hours ago, Maya said:

my family is thinking about sectioning

Does this include your husband/partner?

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Dear Maya, 

can you get your thyroid levels checked? I am wondering if your thyroid meds are at a too high dosage - they can cause insomnia and agitation/anxiety etc. I am suggesting it as that happened to me when not in WD. These symptoms can be also from WD but if you can get your levels measured you'd know. It is easied to drop the thyroid med than to cure WD, so that could be a first line of attack. 

 

Hope you feel better soon

OMW

I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. 

 

If you would like to get a response from me directly please type @Onmyway some place in your message so I get notified of your post. I am not able to follow all of the threads all the time.

 

Aug  2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg,  xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn 

Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg,  7/27/19 -1.5 mg,  8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785

 

Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate

 

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Hi Maya

 

Sorry did not put very well yesterday.

OMW has put it better above although I have never seen hair loss or acne directly related to W/D.

You should get tourself checked as W/D can create med complications.

Hopefully this may also convince your family you are trying to get well.

Once we know an updose is not going to make matters worse, we can discuss it.

Plese let us know how you  are doing.

 

Sassenach

 

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi, 

posting this story, don't know if allowed:

https://patient.info/forums/discuss/harmed-or-suffered-adverse-effects-from-mirtazapine-i-need-your-stories-335312

 

I stopped sleeping at 30mg of Mirt (or before it when I was on sertraline in the meantime). I'm terribly tired but my head is as swollen, burning and hyper-alert. I was sleeping 4-6hrs but last 6 weeks I sleep 1-4 hrs at maximum. I'm sure all wd related issues as the body is under cortisol/adrenaline attack (Mirt has the strongest impact on HPA axis and adrenals from all ADs).

I have never had any problems related to thyroid meds, I always slept 9-10hrs, never experienced anxiety before this AD and this neuroanxiety is really brutal.

I'm sleep deprived and spiralled into deep depression as I see no way out of this mess, I'm already  totally numb emotionally and physically. I'm weak from significant weight loss (I'm losing steadily), I can't leave house. New body symptoms start as hips pains, back pains, urinating problems. In fact, I don't know if there is anything much it can be done to support the body atm.

Can't imagine what drugs are thrown at me that could cure it as well as takeaway of Mirt abruptly in a hospital. 

I feel desperate as this suffering can be much worse as it is. 

 

 

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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I understand you have not had problems in the past with Euthyrox but things change in W/D.

When did you last have blood tests  for your thyroid?

If you go into hospital they will load you with higher dose meds unless procedures are very different in your country.

Do not forget youare  in W/D from a too fast taper.

Low dose  reinstatement is is the only known way to mitigate symptoms, but it important to know you have no underlying physical problems.

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Maya said:

Hi, 

posting this story, don't know if allowed:

https://patient.info/forums/discuss/harmed-or-suffered-adverse-effects-from-mirtazapine-i-need-your-stories-335312

 

I stopped sleeping at 30mg of Mirt (or before it when I was on sertraline in the meantime). I'm terribly tired but my head is as swollen, burning and hyper-alert. I was sleeping 4-6hrs but last 6 weeks I sleep 1-4 hrs at maximum. I'm sure all wd related issues as the body is under cortisol/adrenaline attack (Mirt has the strongest impact on HPA axis and adrenals from all ADs).

I have never had any problems related to thyroid meds, I always slept 9-10hrs, never experienced anxiety before this AD and this neuroanxiety is really brutal.

I'm sleep deprived and spiralled into deep depression as I see no way out of this mess, I'm already  totally numb emotionally and physically. I'm weak from significant weight loss (I'm losing steadily), I can't leave house. New body symptoms start as hips pains, back pains, urinating problems. In fact, I don't know if there is anything much it can be done to support the body atm.

Can't imagine what drugs are thrown at me that could cure it as well as takeaway of Mirt abruptly in a hospital. 

I feel desperate as this suffering can be much worse as it is. 

 

 

I've had three hyperthyroid crises when I'm usually hypothyroid. They were while not in WD and feel very similar - quick weight loss, insomnia, palpitations, anxiety, dysphoria restlessness. All times caused by thyroid inflammation. (Twice on no thyroid meds, once while on euthyrox). WD can mess things up even worse. Get your levels checked before you do anything else. 

 

I'm not saying these things are not or can't be WD but wouldn't it be lucky if they would from the thyroid and you could lower /quit your thyroid meds to get quick relief?

I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. 

 

If you would like to get a response from me directly please type @Onmyway some place in your message so I get notified of your post. I am not able to follow all of the threads all the time.

 

Aug  2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg,  xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn 

Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg,  7/27/19 -1.5 mg,  8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785

 

Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate

 

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Hi Maya

 

How are you doing?

 

Sassenach

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi,

after some break (but I´m here reading often). My blood was checked for thyroid probs and is OK.

 

Unfortunately I´m not OK at all. My symptoms persist and my  strongest , relatively new ones are DP/DR atm, I lost track about reality, honestly said. It is scary as it is, I think a result of very poor sleep. Depression persists.

In addition to,  my muscle and bone pains intensified I suffer from elbow inflammation atm (it came overnight).

 

I´ve read  several Mirtazapine stories not happy ending (these stories were linked by one introduction Mirtazapine related story unfortunately) which is not supportive for me at the moment. I´m still home, struggling.  However I have to go on.

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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This link is to mirtazapine posts in the Success Forum of the site.

 

 

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 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

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HI Maya

We have a similar story somehow my friend. We were both on Mirtazapine for not long. I did a one and a half year taper and i am normal nowadays.

Check my success story below.  Just stick to your guts. I believe things will settle soon.
 

 

 

2015 -  2016 Xanax only rescue doses of 0.125 mg 1-2 times per month
 March 2016 0.125Mg * 2 Xanax for 10 days.

20 March 2016 0.25 Mg * 2 Xanax for one week. 1 April 2016 Tranxene 5 mg and Fevarin but bad reaction for 5 days.4 April 2016 25 Mg Amitryptiline + 6 MG bromazepam at night

Started tapering Bromazepam 6 days later reached up to 3 MG in 10 days and withdrawal. Pdoc asked to go 6 MG again.

10 of May started Remeron 15 MG and started tapering Bromazepam again.

SINCE 09/06/2016 BENZO FREE - Started Tapering Remeron 04/07/2016

 

04/Jul/16 12.8 Mg, 11/Aug/16 12 Mg, 20/Aug/16 11Mg, 3/Sept/16 10Mg, 11/Sept/16 9 Mg, 30/Sept/16 8.1 Mg, 14/Oct/16 7.25 Mg, 17/Nov/16 6.7, 23/Nov/16 6.5, 2/Dec/16 6.25, 9/Dec/16 6Mg, 25/Dec/16 5.7Mg, 4/Jan/17 5.4Mg, 20/Jan/17 5.2Mg, 07/Feb/17 5 Mg, 15/Feb/17 4.8Mg, 27/Feb/17 4.5Mg, 15/Mar/17 4.2Mg, 23/Mar/17 4Mg, 1/Apr/17 3.7Mg, 14/Apr/17 3.4Mg, 27/Apr/17 3.1Mg, 06/May/17 2.8Mg, 22/May/17 2.6Mg, 31/May/17 2.3Mg 09/Jun/17 2Mg, 20/Jun/17 1.7Mg, 29/Jun/17 1.4Mg, 11/Jul/17 1.2Mg, 20/Jul/17 1Mg, 31/Jul/17 0.8Mg, 11/Aug/17 0.6Mg, 23/Aug/17 0.5Mg, 05/Sept/17 0.4Mg, 13/Sept/17 0.3Mg. 22/Sept/17 0.2Mg, 03/Oct/17 0.15Mg, 10/Oct/17 0.1Mg, 23/Oct/17 0.05Mg, 22/Nov/17 0.025Mg, 06/DECEMBER/2017 MIRT FREEE.

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Hi Chessiecat,

thanks! I read several success stories!

Unfortunately it is not possible to avoid those ones posts with bad endings...

 

Santino,

what a fortune, this morning I read your whole introduction story! You managed to be functional the whole time! 

 

I was very optimistic towards my tapering and recovery however since July as it has been hell I'm losing my faith...in fact I don't remember anything from summer and I have 2 kids who were home wth me most of the time.

 

 

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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Hi Maya, 

 

I just want to check how are you?

I know you suffer a lot, but believe me this is not permanent, it is just a disease, full of unpleasant symptoms, unfortunately triggered by ADs, but eventually will be over. All of us have suffered, some still struggling, some have made it...

But you can and you will overcome it.

Please do not lose your faith and hope.

Take care,

6 months treatment of prozac in 1996 (do not remember any withdrawal symptom)

May 2017- July 2017 Mirtazapine 7,5 mg. Quit cold turkey (as told by the doctor)

May 2017- August 2017 Tianeptine 12,5 mg 3x1. Quit cold turkey because of adverse reactions

October 2017- Suicidal. Had to start Mirtazapine

17 December 2017 LAST DOSE   

 

NO DRUG AFTER 17 DECEMBER 2017.

IN THE 3. YEAR OF WD I WAS THINKING I HAD RECOVERED 75%. BUT IN THE 4. YEAR AFTER A DENTAL IMPLANT SURGERY EVERYHING HAS CHANGED. 

     

BELIEVE OR NOT, I AM EXPERIENCING A SECOND WD, WHICH IS INDUCED BY A SURGERY. DATE OF SURGERY WAS 10 DECEMBER 2021. 

 

                                    

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Hi wanttosurvive,

thanks for asking and for your nice answer in our thread.

I struggle, I'm exhausted and I lost this normal sleepy feeling. Can I have hope it would eventually return...

 

How are you?

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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yes, have hope that sleep patterns change in the time setting and (others say that) eventually will return to its normal pattern. I have sleeping difficulties only in waves.

Overall I am over 50% normal. I have stomach issues, fatigue, headache, concentiration-cognitive diffuculties, some morning anxiety....

In early days I had lots of night I had only slept 2-3 hours a day. but fot the last 1 year my sleep is good  

6 months treatment of prozac in 1996 (do not remember any withdrawal symptom)

May 2017- July 2017 Mirtazapine 7,5 mg. Quit cold turkey (as told by the doctor)

May 2017- August 2017 Tianeptine 12,5 mg 3x1. Quit cold turkey because of adverse reactions

October 2017- Suicidal. Had to start Mirtazapine

17 December 2017 LAST DOSE   

 

NO DRUG AFTER 17 DECEMBER 2017.

IN THE 3. YEAR OF WD I WAS THINKING I HAD RECOVERED 75%. BUT IN THE 4. YEAR AFTER A DENTAL IMPLANT SURGERY EVERYHING HAS CHANGED. 

     

BELIEVE OR NOT, I AM EXPERIENCING A SECOND WD, WHICH IS INDUCED BY A SURGERY. DATE OF SURGERY WAS 10 DECEMBER 2021. 

 

                                    

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I recommend chamomile tea for better sleep or mint tea. also a cup of milk

6 months treatment of prozac in 1996 (do not remember any withdrawal symptom)

May 2017- July 2017 Mirtazapine 7,5 mg. Quit cold turkey (as told by the doctor)

May 2017- August 2017 Tianeptine 12,5 mg 3x1. Quit cold turkey because of adverse reactions

October 2017- Suicidal. Had to start Mirtazapine

17 December 2017 LAST DOSE   

 

NO DRUG AFTER 17 DECEMBER 2017.

IN THE 3. YEAR OF WD I WAS THINKING I HAD RECOVERED 75%. BUT IN THE 4. YEAR AFTER A DENTAL IMPLANT SURGERY EVERYHING HAS CHANGED. 

     

BELIEVE OR NOT, I AM EXPERIENCING A SECOND WD, WHICH IS INDUCED BY A SURGERY. DATE OF SURGERY WAS 10 DECEMBER 2021. 

 

                                    

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Hi,

I'm getting slowly worse, already,4th month.

 

I slept last week only 90min daily, now 2-4, toxic chemical sleep induced by mirtazapine, falling asleep and waking up (1am -3 am) feeling terribly (pulsing head and extrem fear and depression), sweating deadly. I was great sleeper before this crap, I slept 9-10hrs daily. 

 

My swollen-dead-burning-pulsing head feeling is getting more and more  intensive. I'm stuck home and I'm starting to be somehow lost here, confused as I leave bed. I feel very very weird.

As I'm dry heaving/vomitting as well as having zero appettite I'm losing weight still, I'm walking bones, below 90lbs.

 

Sorry, guys, I don't know if I should continue posting here as I'm pretty sure I'm another victim of Mirtazapin as several people on here earlier. 

Should I improve I can't live with this poor sleep.

 

I'm holding on dose. Don't know if it makes any sense but what can I do?

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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  • 4 months later...

Maya how are you? Are you ok?

6 months treatment of prozac in 1996 (do not remember any withdrawal symptom)

May 2017- July 2017 Mirtazapine 7,5 mg. Quit cold turkey (as told by the doctor)

May 2017- August 2017 Tianeptine 12,5 mg 3x1. Quit cold turkey because of adverse reactions

October 2017- Suicidal. Had to start Mirtazapine

17 December 2017 LAST DOSE   

 

NO DRUG AFTER 17 DECEMBER 2017.

IN THE 3. YEAR OF WD I WAS THINKING I HAD RECOVERED 75%. BUT IN THE 4. YEAR AFTER A DENTAL IMPLANT SURGERY EVERYHING HAS CHANGED. 

     

BELIEVE OR NOT, I AM EXPERIENCING A SECOND WD, WHICH IS INDUCED BY A SURGERY. DATE OF SURGERY WAS 10 DECEMBER 2021. 

 

                                    

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I haven´t posted for a while and lot of things happened. Last year during my Mirtazapine taper my state worsened so rapidly, I was literally slowly dying. I was taken to psych ward in Dec 2020 where Mirtazapine 4mg was CT and I was put on Olanzapine and Venlafaxine and pushed to ECT treatment. I must say that it helped me however I ended polydrugged. As you can see in my signature, after release from hospital I started with my Olanzapine taper immediately (reduction of Venlafaxine was made by hospital after ECT treatment). Unfortunately my state worsened again and I had to stop tapering Olanzapine and tried to decrease Venlafaxine by 10%. I have currently bad anxiety, restlessness and poor sleep. I will have to wait to stabilize. I would like to ask which drug should I taper as first after stabilization (if it comes; I have to accept it can take long time)? 

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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I have been sectioned since July, polydrugged currently on Aurorix 300mg, valdoxan 25mg, olanzapine 5mg and guaracujan. I'm suicidal.

They are able to reduce olanzapine to 2.5mg but I can't sleep (it was tried for 2 days). I'm lost totally. Pls, help me what could I do?

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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Hi Maya,

 

Although I am not in a position to advise you on how to proceed with your medication, I would still like to let you know that my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry you ended up in this situation. Try not to lose heart, no matter how difficult your situation may be. Know that I am thinking of you, lots of strength!

* Mirtazapine, taken at 20.00 in the evening: 

- 1 January 2022 direct switch from brand Aurobindo 15 mg. to 15 mg. compounded pills (tapering strips) 

- 1 June 2020 15 mg. 

- May 2020 tapered down to 15 mg. in 4 weeks

- 1 February 2020 30 mg. (advice psychiatrist) 

- Mid december 2019 15 mg. (advice psychiatrist)

- 1 December 2019 reinstatement of 7.5 mg. because of sleeping problems (advice psychiatrist)

- 1 September 2019 - mid October 2019 7.5 mg. Tapered off in 4 weeks on advice of GP.

* Herbel blend, taken at 19.00 in the evening: 1 January 2021: 2 pills 500 mg. Valerian, 260 mg. Passion flower, 0,2 mg. melatonine. // Vitamins: 200 mg. Magnesium + 2000 mg. fish oil - 18.00 in the evening / 400IE D3 - 7.30 in the morning (stopped). 

* Olanzapine: 

- Start end of december 2019 5 mg. - stop at 1 August 2020. 

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Hi Maya,

 

I'm sorry that you are in the situation that you are in and are suffering.  However SA is only an online peer support forum.  As much as we would like to help you, whilst you are an inpatient there is nothing that we can do to help you.

 

Please let us know once you are back home and if you provide the drug information of what you were on and taken off and what you are taking when you come out we will try to assist you.

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Hello, Maya.

 

I am sorry you are in the hospital. What you might do is put ALL your drugs in the Drug Interactions Checker https://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php
and show the interactions to your doctors. You shouldn't have to take 2 antidepressants. You might ask them to taper you off 300mg Aurorix.

 

Please be aware that if you tell medical providers that you are suicidal, they will give you more drugs, even if adverse reactions to the drugs are making you miserable. This is their way of helping. You will need to speak to them calmly but firmly. If you cry, beg, or shout, they will take that as evidence of mental instability.

 

The olanzapine may be helping you sleep for the time being. You can taper that when you're at home again.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Please, how can i save more than 12 lines in my signature, it doesn"t aklow to do me so via my cell phone.

Thyroid medication Euthyrox 75mg

Mirtazapin Feb-Apr 2018 7.5mg, CT

Sertraline 25mg and Benzo Bromazepam 3mg 10 days July 2018

Reinstatement Mirtazapin since Jul 10 2018 15 mg,  since Jul 28 2018 22.5 mg, since Aug 20 2018 30 mg

Since Oct 2018 tapering Mirtazapin 10% every 2 weeks, holding at 4mg since 23th June, CT 4mg Dec 2019

Psych ward: Dec 2019 - Feb 2020, 5x ECT

Olanzapine Dec 17 2019 10mg, Mar 3 2020 9mg, Mar 14 2020 8mg, Mar 27 7.2 mg, Apr 4 2020 6.4mg, Apr 20 2020 5.7 mg, May 6 2020 5 mg

Venlafaxine Dec 17 2019 150mg, Jan 2020 75 mg, Feb 2020 37.5 mg, June 2020 33.75mg

Venlafaxine 225mg Jul 2020, olanzapine 10mg.

Lyrica 150mg Aug 2020,

Aurorix 450mg Sep 2020, olanzapine 5mg, 

Valdoxan 25mg Nov 2020

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