☼ xDebbiejo

[xDebbiejo]

I can't understand why you can't stay in your mothers estate untill you find something more suitable, why is your brother putting you out on the streets

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks barb

I hope you are feeling better and thanks for your help.

There are some very sad stories on this forum and find myself worrying about other peoples problems now. Anything sad I can't seem to cope with and am now worrying about meringer being thrown out on the street by the brother - cannot comprehend that at all - own family, it's terrible x

[meistersinger]

I can't understand why you can't stay in your mothers estate untill you find something more suitable, why is your brother putting you out on the streets

 

To most of my brothers, I'm a lazy s.o.b.--always have been, always will be. The brother that I'm currently living with and is trying to buy the house is retired Army Seargent. I already owe him almost $2000 in household expenses, no thanks to the executor of the estate (another of my brothers) pushing all the household expenses on both of us, per his attorney. The Sarge also has a nasty temper. His motto is I might forgive, but I never forget. (Just like my parents, when they were living. As I said in my intro, my parents came from dysfunctional families.) I dare not say anything most of the time, lest I set him off. In addition, to them, there is no such thing as mental illness. I've threatened suicide a few times in the past, and they were more than willing to give me the materials to do so and even watch me do it.

 

The joke always was about my family is the only thing we cared about was money. They're not too far from the truth.

[Barbarannamated]

There are some very sad stories on this forum and find myself worrying about other peoples problems now. Anything sad I can't seem to cope with and am now worrying about meringer being thrown out on the street by the brother - cannot comprehend that at all - own family, it's terrible x

 

Debbie,

There are many sad stories and also encouraging triumphs in the group. The resiliency of humans is amazing. If you havent't yet, read Whatever's Recovery Story. Alto has been through her own hellish time and now helps people active on this site and an unknown number who read the info here, Facebook, Twitter, etc. I rarely read or Google something about antidepressants that she hasn't already weighed in on through this site or as an informed comment or post on psychiatry blogs such as Mad in America, 1 Boring Old Man, or Gianna Kali's Beyond Meds http://beyondmeds.com/guest-writers/ (a must read! GiaK here) Gianna has links to MANY amazing stories on Beyond Meds. It's 'entertaining' to follow Alto and a few others as they go head-to-head in online discussions with some of the biggest opinion leaders in psychiatry.

Remember that the people active here now are going through the worst time. You are a very empathetic person and even more sensitive to others' struggles now in withdrawal. I tend to see situations from a different perspective now. EX: graphic TV spots of people suffering from lung cancer and meant to discourage smoking are, IMHO, probably causing more trauma to loved ones who have lost people in that way.

[Jemima]

Just had to take 2 x mg diezapam in the hope it will calm my head down - seem to getting worse rather than getting better as Ive now had to go back on seroxat 1ml from last Friday

 

Remember that recovery has many sharp 'ups and downs'. When I was in early withdrawal, I probably had five bad days out of seven and the good ones weren't all that great. Four months later it's one or two bad days (that aren't as bad as before) out of a week and the rest are good days, better than the good days back two months ago. Today, for instance, I didn't do what I'd planned because of stomach problems and feeling tired, sort of like a mild flu bug. I took it easy, had a nap, and read for a while and am feeling better. I expect tomorrow will be an okay or even a good day.

 

I also had trouble reading the introductions and some other posts when I was first in withdrawal - I just felt so bad for all of us! Most days now I can read the posts without flinching so hard and reach out to help where I think I might.

 

Also, I second Barbara in that this is not a good time to be making decisions, especially something as major as giving up your house or declaring bankruptcy. Your dad has the right idea and I'm glad that he's so supportive.

[Jemima]

The joke always was about my family is the only thing we cared about was money. They're not too far from the truth.

 

That really is dysfunctional.

 

Your brothers' attitudes toward "mental illness" (for want of a better word - you don't seem at all unbalanced to me) are far too common. Keep in mind that old Persian saying, "When you point a finger at someone, three are pointing back at you." It's all too easy to see what we don't like about ourselves in someone else and hate them for it.

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks jemima

 

I feel a little better today , famous last works lol

I've been reading "the Road Back" - very interesting xx

[xDebbiejo]

Have gone to 2ml of liquid feeling really bad with anxiety, still can't eat and having burning sensation inside my chest area under rib cage, I guess this is also anxiety.

 

Does anyone know what I can do as to cope with everyday things I have to do?

 

I am also feeling very jittery and shakey - please can anyone help?

[Barbarannamated]

Debbiejo,

I wish I had a good answer for you. It DOES get better. I still have anxiety, but far less than 6 months or a year ago. Stressful situations really stir it up. Can you identify a trigger?

It also helps me to read the Neuroemotion thread regularly to remind myself that what im feeling is drug-related and not my new baseline. Hearing others describe it helps tremendously.

I know i must get outside for a change of scenery or my mind runs wild in the aloneness.

Are you still feeling better later in the day?

[xDebbiejo]

Thank you barb

I was panicking as it was the time of day I usually feel normal but didn't

I have forced myself to do house work and other stuff, it's hard but it seems to help, so I guess this is the secret, to keep busy instead of wallowing in self pity

 

Thank you for your support x

[Karma]

Thank you barb

I was panicking as it was the time of day I usually feel normal but didn't

I have forced myself to do house work and other stuff, it's hard but it seems to help, so I guess this is the secret, to keep busy instead of wallowing in self pity

 

Thank you for your support x

 

Hi Debbiejo

 

Keeping busy and not wallowing in the discomfort or self-pity was the key for me last fall when I was suffering withdrawals. People have asked me how I can work while weaning off my cocktail of drugs, but for me having to go to work really has helped me with purpose. Nikki has said in posts that getting up, showering, putting on makeup and dressing helped her and I have to agree that it helps me to. I even do it on the weekends.

 

You'll get through this ... just listen to your body. Now that you are at 2ml give yourself a week or so and see how you feel. You may need more or 2 ml may be just right for you. Once you are at the right amount give yourself some time - allow your body to heal and then you can work on a slow taper.

 

I had to up-dose several times when I realized I had withdrawals until things started to get more comfortable and I was almost off of Effexor - so the thing is to be comfortable and able to function and then to get stable ... and then to finish the taper.

 

Love and light,

 

Karma

[xDebbiejo]

Thank you karma

 

I have had to take diazepam in order to help the anxiety which I really don't want to do but it helps.

 

But maybe if I up the dose of seroxat perhaps I won't need the diazepam?

 

I'm quite up and down at the moment from hour to hour

But on the whole I am feeling a bit better, still having trouble eating and when I do it goes straight through me

 

Thanks for your support xx

[xDebbiejo]

I can identify the trigger barb, it's the feeling I've messed up big time and do not know of where

I will be living in the future which is scary x

[Altostrata]

Debbie, it takes about 4 days for a medication to reach steady state in your bloodstream.

 

That you're feeling a bit better today is a good sign. It's been 3 days since you went up to 2mg.

 

It is possible a bit more will be better. There's no definite rule for these things.

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks alto,

I really didn't want to take this stuff again and want to take as little as possible but I guess I might have to increase as I have so much going on - do you think I might not need the diazepam if I increase the seroxat ?

 

I suppose it's trial and error as everyone's different

Thank you x

[xDebbiejo]

Sorry it's me again - I know mornings are wacky but my head is so full this morning of fuzz and aching.

I went to doctors yesterday to go back on my tablets haven't taken any yet but I can't function and as I have a lot to deal with, like home issues and where I'm going to live, I think I should up my dose, do you think?

 

I have 20mg pills , any ideas please on what dosage I should take?

 

My dad is helping me sort stuff out but he needs information from me and he sugested that I go back up as so I can function at this time. The diazepam are not strong enough to take away my anxiety which are 5 mg

 

Can anyone help please, I had a really bad day yesterday

 

Thank you

 

Debbie xxxx

[Altostrata]

You might try 5mg, give it 4 days to see how it works for you.

[xDebbiejo]

Thank you alto

 

I went to my dad in tears last night.

We spoke about all my issues and written them all down and I have sighed letters of authority for all correspondence to go to my dad and under no circumstances should I receive any mail due to health reasons.

 

Today I have had the best day ever - still on 2 ml, I even felt happy

 

It seems any upset I get very emotional causing anxiety, but hardly any anxiety today. Have not taken my 20mg pils.

Hopefully I won't have to. I know it can be a roller coaster ride. I took one 5 mg Valium/ diazepam this morning and have not had to take anymore so far.

 

I'm hoping I will be able to be stable on my 2 ml if not I will go to 5ml as you suggested.

 

If all goes well I will stay on 2ml for several months and then slowly taper but I think it will have to be less than 10% as I have been on it for so long.

 

Well I wonder what tommorow will bring!

 

Thank you for your help and letting me moan, hopefully I won't be moaning for a while.

 

My older son works with scientific instruments (only delivery driver) and is able to get the tiny syringes with small increments

 

Thanks again, I am determing to get of this stuff but very very slowly. I have been told it might be take two years if I want minimum WD symptoms. I'm hoping I've gone through the worst but I am expecting some bad days but I will cope.

 

I have been reading through my posts - what a yo yo I've been but that's natural as I've been reading others posts

 

Debbie xxxx

[Altostrata]

It's a good sign you felt better today, Debbie. It's been 4 days since you started taking 2mg.

 

Try also not to get anxious and worried about your condition. This additional emotional burden, while entirely understandable, makes symptoms worse.

 

You might look at our topics in Symptoms on meditation. Developing this skill enables one to manage that additional worry better. It's a trial but all these symptoms come and go, over time, one must be very patient.

[Barbarannamated]

Debbiejo,

I'm sorry you've been having extra stress. It seems everything is magnified during this time. My stress tolerance is terrible.

I look at alot of my posts and see a difference depending on time of day. I've told myself not to post in mornings, but that seems when I 'need' to the most - the thoughts are racing through my mind. It's calmed a bit in last few months. That darn cortisol effect is powerful!

{{HUGS}}}

[Jemima]

I look at alot of my posts and see a difference depending on time of day. I've told myself not to post in mornings, but that seems when I 'need' to the most - the thoughts are racing through my mind. It's calmed a bit in last few months. That darn cortisol effect is powerful!

 

Have you tried amber-tinted glasses? I just got a pair and they help a lot for computer use. These are what I got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00 )

 

I am also drawn straight to the computer first thing in the morning, but I think the blue-light glare makes symptoms worse. The past few days I've been able to will myself to sit quietly and read or do some light housework instead and that seems to help a lot. I wait to do computer stuff until at least late afternoon.

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks for all the support xxx

[Jemima]

It's so good to hear that you're doing better. Yes, the yo-yo pattern is, unfortunately, normal during withdrawal and so is impatience. Just hang in there.

[xDebbiejo]

Hi all

 

Thanks again for the support

Still on 2ml seroxat but am up and down with anxiety, which seems to be due to any new problem however small.

I do still suffer with it in the morning though.

 

I am wondering if I should up my dose?

Or will the anxiety eventually go away?

And how long will it take?

Any advice please would be much appreciated

Can seem to cope and goes away completely when I am at work, but work not that regular

[Skyler]

Hi all

 

Thanks again for the support

Still on 2ml seroxat but am up and down with anxiety, which seems to be due to any new problem however small.

I do still suffer with it in the morning though.

 

I am wondering if I should up my dose?

Or will the anxiety eventually go away?

And how long will it take?

Any advice please would be much appreciated

Can seem to cope and goes away completely when I am at work, but work not that regular

 

Hi Debbie,

 

Sorry to hear you are still having so much difficulty with anxiety. Did you try updosing to the 5mls Alto suggested on April 26? Are you still on 2 mls?

[Altostrata]

Try sneaking it up to 3mg, Debbie, and see how that works.

[xDebbiejo]

No Schuyler didnt go up to 5ml perhaps should have done, been a bit silly really for not taking advice.

 

Thanks Alto I think I will try 3ml tomorrow as I have also read somewhere that you have to take it a bit slow when increasing again after a failed attempt first time. Have you heard this?

 

I spoke with my pharmacist today as I had to get the prescription I ordered last week for 20mg seroxat (not taking them tho) He looked in his medical book and it states that it takes four weeks to withdraw from seroxat/paxil !!!!

what a joke!!! I TOLD HIM THAT HIS BOOK HAS INCORRECT INFO!!

 

Thanks again for all the help and advice which I will be taking this time

[Altostrata]

I have also read somewhere that you have to take it a bit slow when increasing again after a failed attempt first time. Have you heard this?

No, but assuming you're hypersensitive, this is a good idea.

 

Also, no need to take more than the lowest effective dosage.

[xDebbiejo]

Hi again

Thanks for the support

I went to see my homeopath today and she said I should have gone to her before taking my seroxat again as she could have helped my withdrawal symptoms. 

 

When I was really bad last week I went to the doctors and got some 20mg but never took them. As I had them with me she took just one and made me a remedy to take with my 3ml liquid. She said to do this for two weeks and miss out my liquid just one day after the two weeks but take the remedy and see how I felt. 

She also gave me a remedy for my nervous system instead of taking my diazepam. Just wondered what you think about this and if you know of anyone homeopathic remedies have helped? She reckons about six months or more to reduce liquid until I'm just taking the remedy she made with the 20mg of seroxat which she made 30 pills from.  

 

Not sure if I'm doing the right thing here?

 

Also I've been taking 5mg of diazepam in the mornings for about a month - should I taper off this dose or just stop ?

 

Can you help please ? xxx

[Barbarannamated]

Debbiejo,

Shanti knows alot about homeopathy. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1971-ask-shanti-about-homeopathy/page__fromsearch__1

Alto, of course, will give best advice on taper.

You will definitely want to taper off of Valium/diazepam. Benzos form dependence quickly, but you haven't been on for long, so hopefully that will be easier to slide off of. Others can point you in right direction for specifics. I've been on Klonopin for 15+ years and not sure i'll ever be able to tackle that one. It was prescribed for bruxing caused by Zoloft. Boy, I love these drugs.

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks barb

I have emailed shanti as I have been looking at her site.

It seems homeopathy works for some people, maybe bit of trial and error.

 

I do hope your horse is ok xx

[Altostrata]

Debbie, what does this mean:

She said to do this for two weeks and miss out my liquid just one day after the two weeks but take the remedy and see how I felt.

Do not just stop your diazepam. You will need to taper that, too.

 

Let's work on the seroxat first.

[xDebbiejo]

I'm taking half of a 5 mg diazepam in the morning - that's all !

Alto what do you think about the remedy made from a seroxat pill

 

It's all explained in my rather long post, sorry xx

[xDebbiejo]

:

She said to do this for two weeks and miss out my liquid just one day after the two weeks but take the remedy and see how I felt.

I'm taking 3ml liquid a day plus one pill of the remedy she made up from a 20mg seroxat pill, which made 30 pills.

After 2 weeks she said to miss out the liquid for one day and take just the remedy then to carry on taking the liquid and remedy for another two weeks.

 

What do you think Alto ? xxxx

I don't dare do it xx

[xDebbiejo]

Alto I know homeopathy has helped some but I'm not sure if my homeopath is aware that it's withdrawal syndrome even though I have explained - she also said its about me getting better and to stop reading stuff on forums as its breeding negative reactions. Which to be honest some of the stories on here are horrific and does have a negative impact on me as I feel I'm not gonna get better.

 

But here I go again feeling sorry for myself when people are suffering much more than I am

 

Sorry

 

Wish everyone to be well ! xxx

[Altostrata]

I'm taking 3ml liquid a day plus one pill of the remedy she made up from a 20mg seroxat pill, which made 30 pills.

After 2 weeks she said to miss out the liquid for one day and take just the remedy then to carry on taking the liquid and remedy for another two weeks.

 

What do you think Alto ? xxxx

I don't dare do it xx

 

I don't think it's a good idea, Debbie. I share your doubts about how well your homeopath understands withdrawal syndrome.

 

She's made a homeopathic solution from that 20mg tablet. At most, it will contain .6667mg Seroxat per dose, but homeopathic remedies usually contain much, much less active ingredient. I don't trust it.

 

What kinds of symptoms do you have at 3mg Seroxat?