☼ xDebbiejo

[xDebbiejo]

Anxiety all day today having real trouble eating, tearful,depressed but I guess I'm just having a down day.

Lost so much weight. Only been on 3ml for 3 days but I'm taking that remedy also and do I guess I'm taking more with that stuff. Don't know what to do? Shall I stop taking the remedy?

Bit of a mess now alto - really don't know what to do from here - cant seem to cope at the moment - But hey! Might be better day tomorrow - thanks for your support xxx

[Altostrata]

If I were you, I'd stop seeing that homeopath for withdrawal syndrome. Stop taking the solution.

 

Did you feel any different at all, moving up to 3mg?

[Nikki]

Hi DebbieJo...

 

Feel for you. I agree with Alto, let go of the homeopathy solution, increase the seroxat very gently. We have all had to do this and probably numerous times. It does help with symptoms. Go above the 3mL ~ you may need to take 4 or 5.

 

Once you level off or stabilize then just stay put.

 

Hope you feel better soon.

 

Hugs

[Karma]

Hi Debbiejo,

 

I agree with Alto - I would stop taking the remedy made by the homeopath. I found that once I had started to experience withdrawals that supplements and homeopathy that would ordinarily work just didn't work for me any more. I found that for me to get control of my withdrawal symptoms I had to increase my Effexor doses back up to 43.75 mg ... a total of 18.75 mg increase ... but that was Effexor and that was my experience - it doesn't mean you will need to increase your med that much.

 

I understand the homeopath's concern about not reading forums ... think about it, only people who are suffering are going to post. People who aren't having withdrawal symptoms aren't really visiting these forums are they?

 

Now, what do you get from these forums? You get support from people who have or are experiencing what you are experiencing - we can relate to what you are feeling. We can provide suggestions based on what we have seen work for others who have or are experiencing what you are ... there are no guarantees, but the advice here has been very helpful to me. The folks on this forum can relate to your experience better than doctors can because we've been there.

 

You have to make your own decisions. But if you choose to stay you will be supported.

 

Love and light,

Karma

[Shanti]

Hi Debbie. Sorry I didn't get your email until now. I wrote you back, then I made a post about this issue in the support forum, as it happens all the time. I don't know why Homeopaths don't understand the difference between a side effect and a withdrawal. Yes, like Alto said, you should just not take the remedy. It's a waste, and she probably didn't dilute it enough anyway. I bumped up the Homeopathy thread in the other section and you might want to try one of the remedies I wrote in there. Best of luck, and if you have any questions just ask

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks all for your kind support

Alto I've only been on 3 ml for 3 days but I'm gonna up it to 4ml I think, if that's not too quick ? I'm takin a calming remedy too which doesn't seem to work that the homeopath made for me. But it's none of what shanti advises to take so I guess I will stop seeing her now as I know she's trying to help but can't as she doesn't understand.

Thanks again all for all the understanding and support - I will be staying on this site karma as the help is from people who are in the same position and actually care

 

Yeah so stop my remedies up my dose, thank you all for helping me xxxxx

[Shanti]

Also Debbie, I personally didn't like to spend a lot of time here when I am down. When I'm fine I try to help where I can, but if a person is already scared, hearing other people's stories can scare you even more. That is one reason I like this support group more than another popular one, is that there is more of a message of hope here. It's important to remember that people recover. I always liked to look at the success stories when I was down. As I said, I'm much better now so these sad stories don't get me down. If I had more time I'd be here more now. When you aren't feeling up to it, just go straight to your journal and we can talk to you here. I totally understand.

[xDebbiejo]

Thank you shanti

I have taken half a 20mg seroxat this morning so 10 mg as I need to feel well - I won't be taking my made up remedy or any untill I know what I'm doing - thanks to you I have learned a lot about homeopathy and how to use it with withdrawal syndrome, or not as the case may be lol

 

Do you think I will be able stableise on 10 mg ? Just have to see how it goes

 

Thanks for all your help and everyone else it is much appreciated xxxx

[Nikki]

Will keep fingers crossed. Usually there is a stabilizing effect. For me, it was right away but it would take a few days or even a week to feel better that was my experience with seroxatmad.

 

Hugs

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks all

Really appreciate the support - when I am stable I will chose one of the remedies shanti has advised, don't know which to try first tho. Then when I can cope with my life I will do the slowest taper ever, I guess over18 -24 months or longer as I never want to feel like this again.

Had quite a good day today, was at work most of it Still got a bit of anxiety though, over silly things that are said, then my mind works overtime.

I have never suffererd with anxiety before trying to withdraw.

 

Haven't suffered with zaps and I can sleep do I'm grateful for that

 

Thanks all

Wishing you all well xxx

[Barbarannamated]

Debbiejo,

Glad you had a better day!

You hit on my worst enemy: unscheduled time, idle mind. Truly the devil's playground. Or, in the words of Styx "...too much time on my hands... ticking away with my sanity..."

Leads to strange posts, too. ;o

 

I never suffered from anxiety prior to DCing psych meds. Had situational stress with a defined triggers (work projects, meeting), but not wacky generalized anxiety set off by trivial things that I put a negative spin on (and keep spinning).

 

RE: homeopath suggestion to leave group... hers is a typical attitude to a "support group" and not without some truth, as you mentioned. I try to moderate myself because it can be overwhelming, especially having so much time on my hands. However, I consider this much more than a typical support group sharing war stories. There is more technical information and knowledge on this site than in the entire medical profession. This group exists because the medical profession has abandoned us. There are no good sources of medical info on tapering safely to minimize withdrawal symptoms. I think most MDs would be shocked to see the level of knowledge here. I once read a detailed post to my husband (an MD) and his first question was "what doctor advised that?" He wasn't challenging the info. I knew he didn't know the drugs as well. I told him it was not"medical advice" but a peer sharing info learned through own experience due to lack of medical help (I admit it was a bit of a dig at MDs!). MDs aren't experts in drugs. Prior to online drug info and prescribing guidelines, some docs consulted a trusted pharmacist (in a shared medical building, for example) if questions arose. I'm not sure if that still happens and, sadly, I don't see the calibre of pharmacists that used to be common even though they are required to have a doctorate degree now as loosed to a Bachelor's in past. I knew an MD/PharmD who told me that the pharmacy boards (test for licensure) were much harder than medical boards. Just one person's opinion, but scary nonetheless.

Sorry, I veered way off topic there! I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about whst your homeopath said. This situation is a different beast.

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks barb

Didn't know your husband was an MD.

 

Yes there is so much information on this forum and I'm grateful for it as I wouldn't know what to do without it.

And the support is superb !!

 

I hope my homeopath reads this forum as the link was in shanti's article I sent her about remedies.

 

Woke up bit too early this morning so gonna try to sleep for another hour lol

 

Thanks again barb xx

[xDebbiejo]

My paroxetine 20mg I have at present are made by Teva UK ltd and not GSK - wil this make a difference or am I being paranoid? They wouldn't give placebos would they?

Just being paro I think.

 

Bit confused this morning - lots to do ! I think I should write a list, out of my head and on to paper. xxxx

[Altostrata]

Thanks all

Really appreciate the support - when I am stable I will chose one of the remedies shanti has advised, don't know which to try first tho. Then when I can cope with my life I will do the slowest taper ever, I guess over18 -24 months or longer as I never want to feel like this again.

Had quite a good day today, was at work most of it Still got a bit of anxiety though, over silly things that are said, then my mind works overtime.

I have never suffererd with anxiety before trying to withdraw.

 

Haven't suffered with zaps and I can sleep do I'm grateful for that

 

Thanks all

Wishing you all well xxx

 

I'm glad you're feeling better having updosed, Debbie.

 

My paroxetine 20mg I have at present are made by Teva UK ltd and not GSK - wil this make a difference or am I being paranoid? They wouldn't give placebos would they?

 

This shouldn't make a difference.

 

Stay at this level for at least a month. When you're ready to taper, you may wish to get the liquid form of paroxetine.

[Nikki]

Hi Debbiejo....just checking in.

 

Teva is a well know company. Don't worry about it. Once you up the dose, you should feel better. Give it some time. You may want to give yourself a nice respite once you've stabilized. Rhi has pointed that out to me that it is like finding an oasis where you can stop and rest, enjoy life a bit and catch your breath, until the next drop in dose.

 

Hugs

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks again for your kind advice all!

I think I over did it a bit having a long day at work as not to good day today I so can't wait to stabilise - do you think I will as now I'm worried I won't from all the stopping and starting and changes of dose?

 

My anxiety has been with me all day today but that was probably triggered by me trying to get my son up to go to doctors for blood tests. Which was so much effort I cried.

As he knew he was at the doctors he thought he would stay up later - this happens every morning anyway trying to get him up for school. He 16 and meant to be studying for his exams but as been as he has missed a year out he's unlikely to pass anyway - big worry!!!

 

Sorry to moan xxxx

[Barbarannamated]

Dear friend, you have alot on your plate!

[xDebbiejo]

Defo barb

Woke up this morning with so many thoughts going round in my head. Have not had this confusion feeling in my head since I stopped, now I'm trying to stabilise I thought things would get better! Can't stand this in my head!!

Need release

 

How are you barb? Are you stilt staying in bed ? I can't manage anything today and can't get out of bed but I have to as I suppose it will help thoughts go away.

 

Don't want to feel like this xxx

[xDebbiejo]

Nikki

I need to find that oasis, was Rhi on paroxetine like me? As I'm upping my dose to find it.

Seems to be taking forever but them again only been on 10mg for 3 days now

 

Alto should I up it to 20mg or wait a while longer ?

Feel tearful today but so many things to deal with xxx

Thank you all xx

[xDebbiejo]

Hi all

Me again, just wondering if there is a document that describes in detail the severe side effects when on paroxetine. Personality change, impulsive action etc, as my Dad needs a shortish document to send to my loan companies with the letters he's sending.

 

I know there are some very long ones on the Internet, but thse people won't be bothered to read long drawn out docs. Just need something wich states the most serious side effects on how it effects personality etc.

 

If anyone can help it would be much appreciated

And any case histories in the Uk of adverse actions

 

Thank you

 

Debbie xx

[xDebbiejo]

Mornings are so the worst !!!!

 

I feel somewhat normal around 6 in the evening

 

I have blacked out my windows now so hopefully that will make a difference soon.

 

But I should begin to stabilise soon - 5th day upping dose to 10mg paroxetine

 

Debbie xxxx

[xDebbiejo]

7th day on upping dose of seroxat, still not feeling well - have hot jittery feelings in upper body an arms. Started to take fish oil few days ago but not high strength

EPA 180mg

DHA 120mg. Total omega-3 acids 30% min

 

Also taking a tincher from homeopath which

Avena Sativa! And several homeopathic remedies - I'm wandering of fish oil is having a reaction

 

Will I ever stabilise on 10mg seroxat ????

No motivation - don't know what to do

 

I guess having a down day which I would expect if lowering a dose but I'm upping it!!!

 

Any advice please - I want to be able cope

 

xxxx

[Nikki]

Hi Debbiejo...

 

Mornings are so the worst !!!!

 

I feel somewhat normal around 6 in the evening

 

Feel tearful today but so many things to deal with xxx

 

All of what you are feeling is WD. Mornings are my worst time. We have posted the AM anxiety issue on her alot. It's a problem for most of us. Apparently cortisol levels start to spike at about 5am even without being in WD.

 

Tearful...that was a big one for me. I could not hold it in. It was involuntary and it could happen several times a day. Debbiejo, just let the flood gates open. It's a sort of purging process that we all may have to go with to let off some of the frustration and fear we experience thru this process.

 

You are @ 10mgs. Paxil? I have read many posts of people who upped their dose of Paxil and it took time to level off. You have been at 10 for about a week now? You may want to up it again.

 

You may want to consider increasing it again by another 2mgs.or 5mgs., see what happens and then make another decision after that. I just want to see you stabilize I know how you feel...

 

Hugs

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks nikki

 

Should I go up to 20mg , I have also been thinking of changing ssri I don't think Prozac suits me as it gives me the jitters. I don't know, what do you think please

 

I'm a bit messed at the mo with all this

 

Thanks for your support nikki xxx

[Altostrata]

have hot jittery feelings in upper body an arms.

Debbie, when did this start?

 

You are taking many things. It is hard to tell what's doing what. When you take the fish oil, does it cause any funny feelings within an hour?

[xDebbiejo]

Oh maybe alto and I've never taken them before

xx

[Karma]

Debbiejo,

 

How old is the liquid prescription you are taking? I'm just wondering because the liquid Effexor I just picked up is only good for 28 days. If your Paxil liquid has expired during the time you were off, then you might not be getting the full dose you think you are. Mine is a compounded suspension and so it is probably not as stable as a medication made as a liquid on purpose.

 

I'm just looking at possibilities for why you are not feeling relief. If the liquid is old, you might see if you can get a fresh prescription of it and stay at 10 mg. It may be that with a fresh prescription you may feel some relief.

 

On the fish oil ... I take 1500 mg AM and 1500 mg PM of Krill Oil (which is a special kind of fish oil). I think I adjusted by 500 mg at a time until I got to this dosage and it has worked out well for me.

 

Word of caution - if you decide to try a fresh prescription, then only change that. Track how you feel for a week before you try increasing fish oil or trying something different.

 

Sending healing light and love

Karma

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks karma but I have swapped to the pill form, I have 20mg and am cutting them in half.

Thanks for sending healing light- I need it

Xxxx

[xDebbiejo]

When cutting my pills in half as they are not quite even, I'm wondering if that could be the problem?

[xDebbiejo]

I have a big problem that I don't seem to be able to cope with. My 16 year old lad is on a reduced timetable at school so he may concentrate on just his main subjects. His exams are in a few weeks and he's not going to school. Past couple of weeks I've been going on at him to get up but just have not got the energy anymore. He has interviews with colleges this week and next but I really don't think he will go. Big stress factor iny life so not helping me at all!!

[xDebbiejo]

Not taken fish oil this morning and still have hot tingly feeling in arms or under my skin it seems, so not fish oil causing this.

Perhaps I should go back to liquid or should I go back up to 20mg tablets?

 

Any advice please?

[Altostrata]

Were you doing better on the liquid? If you're hypersensitive, the variation in the pills when you're cutting them could be a problem. If you take the liquid, you can be more precise.

 

Has the tingling changed any over the last few days?

[xDebbiejo]

Yes thanks Alto

 

My arms were just a bit hot under the skin, like burning but not really tingly or jittery today.

 

I have been to GP and have some new liquid so I will start on 5ml which = 10mg

I think I'm getting there slowly but surely.

 

Just afraid of that pooped out thing how can that happen?

 

Thanks Alto x

[Nikki]

Debbiejo....

 

Stick with the liquid. If you don't feel any relief you may want to increase a small amount.

The hot tingles are a drug symtpom. For me it is a sensation from decreasing.

 

The Cold Turkey really knocks us for a loop. That may be why it is taking time to kick in.

When I would go back up in dose I was still on the drug. Maybe that is the catch here.

 

As for your son, yes that is very stressful. It's hard to deal with these issues while trying to stabilize. Does he know what is happening with you? Explain it to him and ask for his cooperation.

 

Hope you feel better soon.

 

Hugs

[xDebbiejo]

Thanks nikki

 

I think I'm getting there took my liquid this morning and 2.5mg diazepam - just having trouble getting motivated, maybe as I have so much to catch up with.

 

My son knows what is going on with me he just lacks motivation as he has had a year out of school nearly due to confident issues and sees no point in going as he says he won't pass any exams, but I've told him he has to try - like talking to a brick wall.

 

Thanks nikki xx

[xDebbiejo]

Still waking up with withdrawal symptoms

Thought I was getting more stable - anxiety not as bad but still there. I expect issues making it worse! Still can't eat untill after 18:00.

Sweating when wakining in morning - I am sleeping but feel its not a deep sleep, what I need.

Still on 5 ml /10mg seroxat liquid

Should I up it a bit ?

 

Please advise - much appreciated

 

Debbie x