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Topic title:  exhaustion the day after light gardening or paddleboarding

 

Big Decision to make - I am supposed to go to France for anniversary trip next month. Since March or April not sure when, after I do some exercise or light gardening, I am overly exhausted and have leg pain the day after with low mood. I feel I am stuck on the couch not able to do anything. I'm wondering if there is something I can do to improve my stamina and be able to go on this trip (it is not booked yet) because I really want to go away with hubby but he is concerned of spending alot of money on a holiday and not being able to sight see as he wishes, he does not want to be stuck in a hotel room somewhere.

Diagnoses - MDD, cPTSD,

Effexor - 225 to  47 mg since March 2018. Been on several antidepressants and anti anxiety pills since 1996.

Supplements, Omega 3, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, D-Hist, Estrofactors (hot flashes - menopause), Probiotic, Adrenal PX Balance, Curcumin, Iron twice a week, B12 keeps me awake but I am low according to my naturopath so will try to talk half the dosage. Melatonin and Magnesium Glycinate for night time.

 

Thanks for your suggestions. My first post here.

 

 

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2022 - 15 beads or 5.5 mg of Effexor, tapering 10 percent, doing 2 beads per month at the moment. Starting at 13 beads will be doing 1 bead per month till off July 2023

Supplements - Vit C and D, Omega 3 2 capsules, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime, Adrenal Support bedtime

2018 - Effexor taper - 10% - 47 mg

2017 - Tapered off  Trazadone with THC oil

2016 - Suicidal ideation returned Effexor up to 225 mg, trazadone 150 mg, Lorazepam prn,

2015 - June - Reintroduced Effexor after CNS crash due too fast a taper, off work for 3 months. Addition of Lorazepam, Trazodone and Zoplicone. Zoplicone used for 3 months only

2014 - Fast taper off Effexor

2012 - 6 month taper off Effexor, CNS destabilized, back on Effexor in May, off work for 3 months

2006 - February - Taper off Effexor again by April 2006 return on effexor 150 - 225 mg

2001- January wanting to get pregnant, tapered on my own by August Remeron 30 mg was tried, September back on effexor 150 mg

1999 - Effexor maintenance dose of 150 mg, by October I wanted to switch to Celexa 20- 40 mg, not working suicidal ideation return to effexor

1996 - 1998 Zoloft (not effective), Luvox (not effective) Elavil (not effective), Serzone (taken off market but worked), Paxil (worked for 1.5 years and pooped out) OD on Xanax, Risperdal gave me a seizure

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Welcome to SA, Carmel5.

 

It is one of the many sad aspects of antidepressant withdrawal that we can't do what undrugged people can do and that life seems on hold.  Fatigue is certainly one of the recognized symptoms of antidepressant withdrawal.  I have it myself.

 

 
 
There really isn't anything you can do to boost your stamina.  In fact, supplements and training could worsen withdrawal.  Your body needs rest and support during withdrawal.
 
As I said, I'm in a similar situation to yours.  Perhaps my experience on a couple of recent vacations will give you some guidance.  We live in South America and love Buenos Aires.  Before I started tapering, I was able to walk basically the whole city, savoring every neighborhood.  The last two trips, during which I was tapering and in withdrawal, I had to severely curtail our expeditions.  That doesn't mean I stayed in the hotel room.  But we did less.  My wife, who is very supportive of my taper, was fine with this.  It seems to me a lot of your decision will hinge on your husband's attitude.  If he is able to accept that due to
your withdrawal condition, you will have to do less (not nothing, just less), that would be an important factor to consider.
If he thinks he's going to be wasting his money because you two can't do everything, this is likely to cause stress between you.
Paris is a great walking city; you'd just have to do less, and your husband would have to be okay with that.  It's a great museum city, and I would sit and rest while my wife explored the museums.   
 
Another factor to consider is your own ability to enjoy the trip.  If fatigue is your only limit and you would otherwise enjoy the trip, that's a plus in favor of going (again subject to your husbands's attitude).  
 
 
 
 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Aug. 5, 2022: 4.3mg

Taper is 77% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Thank you Gridley. I shared a little with my husband and its encouraging. We went to couples therapy this week as I was so down from the impasse we has regarding this trip. I think he is coming around the fact that it is what it is and sickly people travel all the time. My mood has improved bc of it and now with posting today and seeing that there is really no much else to do. My last taper was on May 22 this was to give my body time to adjust before the trip. I'll resume the taper after the trip

every 4 to 6 weeks.

2022 - 15 beads or 5.5 mg of Effexor, tapering 10 percent, doing 2 beads per month at the moment. Starting at 13 beads will be doing 1 bead per month till off July 2023

Supplements - Vit C and D, Omega 3 2 capsules, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime, Adrenal Support bedtime

2018 - Effexor taper - 10% - 47 mg

2017 - Tapered off  Trazadone with THC oil

2016 - Suicidal ideation returned Effexor up to 225 mg, trazadone 150 mg, Lorazepam prn,

2015 - June - Reintroduced Effexor after CNS crash due too fast a taper, off work for 3 months. Addition of Lorazepam, Trazodone and Zoplicone. Zoplicone used for 3 months only

2014 - Fast taper off Effexor

2012 - 6 month taper off Effexor, CNS destabilized, back on Effexor in May, off work for 3 months

2006 - February - Taper off Effexor again by April 2006 return on effexor 150 - 225 mg

2001- January wanting to get pregnant, tapered on my own by August Remeron 30 mg was tried, September back on effexor 150 mg

1999 - Effexor maintenance dose of 150 mg, by October I wanted to switch to Celexa 20- 40 mg, not working suicidal ideation return to effexor

1996 - 1998 Zoloft (not effective), Luvox (not effective) Elavil (not effective), Serzone (taken off market but worked), Paxil (worked for 1.5 years and pooped out) OD on Xanax, Risperdal gave me a seizure

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Hello fellow warriors!!

 

Just wondering if this microtaper is gentler than the 10% percent drop. I have tapered from 225 mg and now down to 33.8 mg. I had two rough two day episodes where I am in bed or in the bathroom with headache, nausea, vomiting at times and stiff neck and jaw. I'm thinking microtapering this way might help.

2022 - 15 beads or 5.5 mg of Effexor, tapering 10 percent, doing 2 beads per month at the moment. Starting at 13 beads will be doing 1 bead per month till off July 2023

Supplements - Vit C and D, Omega 3 2 capsules, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime, Adrenal Support bedtime

2018 - Effexor taper - 10% - 47 mg

2017 - Tapered off  Trazadone with THC oil

2016 - Suicidal ideation returned Effexor up to 225 mg, trazadone 150 mg, Lorazepam prn,

2015 - June - Reintroduced Effexor after CNS crash due too fast a taper, off work for 3 months. Addition of Lorazepam, Trazodone and Zoplicone. Zoplicone used for 3 months only

2014 - Fast taper off Effexor

2012 - 6 month taper off Effexor, CNS destabilized, back on Effexor in May, off work for 3 months

2006 - February - Taper off Effexor again by April 2006 return on effexor 150 - 225 mg

2001- January wanting to get pregnant, tapered on my own by August Remeron 30 mg was tried, September back on effexor 150 mg

1999 - Effexor maintenance dose of 150 mg, by October I wanted to switch to Celexa 20- 40 mg, not working suicidal ideation return to effexor

1996 - 1998 Zoloft (not effective), Luvox (not effective) Elavil (not effective), Serzone (taken off market but worked), Paxil (worked for 1.5 years and pooped out) OD on Xanax, Risperdal gave me a seizure

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47 minutes ago, Carmel5 said:

 

Just wondering if this microtaper is gentler than the 10% percent drop

 

Yes, the Brassmonkey slide taper is gentler than the straight 10% drop.  This is because instead of hitting your system all at once with a 10% decrease, you do a smaller weekly decrease of 2 1/2% every week for four weeks, then hold for two weeks for your system to catch up.  I used this method for my Lexapro taper and I recommend it.

 

The symptoms you describe indicate you need to taper more gently and slowly.

 

The Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-tapering

 

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Aug. 5, 2022: 4.3mg

Taper is 77% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Thanks Gridley,

 

I just started counting my beads to 33.8 mg before I was compounding it at the pharmacy with out of pocket costs. Do you think this micro taper works well with counting beads also? I do have the scale recommended here but heard it was not that accurate.

 

2022 - 15 beads or 5.5 mg of Effexor, tapering 10 percent, doing 2 beads per month at the moment. Starting at 13 beads will be doing 1 bead per month till off July 2023

Supplements - Vit C and D, Omega 3 2 capsules, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime, Adrenal Support bedtime

2018 - Effexor taper - 10% - 47 mg

2017 - Tapered off  Trazadone with THC oil

2016 - Suicidal ideation returned Effexor up to 225 mg, trazadone 150 mg, Lorazepam prn,

2015 - June - Reintroduced Effexor after CNS crash due too fast a taper, off work for 3 months. Addition of Lorazepam, Trazodone and Zoplicone. Zoplicone used for 3 months only

2014 - Fast taper off Effexor

2012 - 6 month taper off Effexor, CNS destabilized, back on Effexor in May, off work for 3 months

2006 - February - Taper off Effexor again by April 2006 return on effexor 150 - 225 mg

2001- January wanting to get pregnant, tapered on my own by August Remeron 30 mg was tried, September back on effexor 150 mg

1999 - Effexor maintenance dose of 150 mg, by October I wanted to switch to Celexa 20- 40 mg, not working suicidal ideation return to effexor

1996 - 1998 Zoloft (not effective), Luvox (not effective) Elavil (not effective), Serzone (taken off market but worked), Paxil (worked for 1.5 years and pooped out) OD on Xanax, Risperdal gave me a seizure

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32 minutes ago, Carmel5 said:

Do you think this micro taper works well with counting beads also? I do have the scale recommended here but heard it was not that accurate.

 

I'm not sure how well it would work counting beads since you'd be dealing with a much smaller percentage (2 1/2%) than 10% and I don't know how that would play out in terms of removing beads.  You could try it and see.

 

I've been using the Gemini scale for 3 years and have found it accurate enough for my purposes.  The disadvantages are that it's not accurate below 3mg pill weight and you can't weigh half milligrams.  The lowest reading is one milligram.  

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Aug. 5, 2022: 4.3mg

Taper is 77% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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1 minute ago, Gridley said:

I'm not sure how well it would work counting beads since you'd be dealing with a much smaller percentage (2 1/2%) than 10% and I don't know how that would play out in terms of removing beads.  You could try it and see.

 

I've been using the Gemini scale for 3 years and have found it accurate enough for my purposes.  The disadvantages are that it's not accurate below 3mg pill weight and you can't weigh half milligrams.  The lowest reading is one milligram.  

I will need to ponder on this some more. If I do the weighing then I can use the spreadsheet more accurately. Thanks for your input on this. I haven't used the website that much and still learning on how to to post. I need to post more questions regarding stiff neck and jaw and neuropathy in my feet.

2022 - 15 beads or 5.5 mg of Effexor, tapering 10 percent, doing 2 beads per month at the moment. Starting at 13 beads will be doing 1 bead per month till off July 2023

Supplements - Vit C and D, Omega 3 2 capsules, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime, Adrenal Support bedtime

2018 - Effexor taper - 10% - 47 mg

2017 - Tapered off  Trazadone with THC oil

2016 - Suicidal ideation returned Effexor up to 225 mg, trazadone 150 mg, Lorazepam prn,

2015 - June - Reintroduced Effexor after CNS crash due too fast a taper, off work for 3 months. Addition of Lorazepam, Trazodone and Zoplicone. Zoplicone used for 3 months only

2014 - Fast taper off Effexor

2012 - 6 month taper off Effexor, CNS destabilized, back on Effexor in May, off work for 3 months

2006 - February - Taper off Effexor again by April 2006 return on effexor 150 - 225 mg

2001- January wanting to get pregnant, tapered on my own by August Remeron 30 mg was tried, September back on effexor 150 mg

1999 - Effexor maintenance dose of 150 mg, by October I wanted to switch to Celexa 20- 40 mg, not working suicidal ideation return to effexor

1996 - 1998 Zoloft (not effective), Luvox (not effective) Elavil (not effective), Serzone (taken off market but worked), Paxil (worked for 1.5 years and pooped out) OD on Xanax, Risperdal gave me a seizure

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19 minutes ago, Carmel5 said:

post more questions

You should post anything specifically about you, your taper and your symptoms in your main Introduction topic so all your material is together.  That's better than posting in the "tapering" or "symptoms and self care" forums.  You'll get more readers in your own Introduction topic.

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Aug. 5, 2022: 4.3mg

Taper is 77% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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