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Hello!

please i need help.

2017 i have Problems with insomnia.

i went to a Doktor.


Trazodone dont Works. Seroquel make me like a zombie. 

My doctor gives me cipralex 10 mg.

And lyrica 25 in the morning 50mg in the evening and 150 mg at night. 1mg xanax in the night . 

I Woke up a little bit feeling drunken. And i had a tremor . But this goes away.  I know a side effekt from lyrica.

10 days later my doctor said put the xanax away. 

So i make this with Nothing sleep. 

So she said xanor again and 30mg mirtazapine. 

It works and so i can cut off the xanax.

Every week 0.5 mg tapering. 

It was no problem for me.

I feel good. I have Problems from the mirtazapine with my eyes. I couldnt fokus on a Objekt.  I told this to my doctor. Of course its psychosomatic she said .

It goes away . Today i know its a side effekt from mirtazapine. But it goes away.

Then my doctor said taper the cipralex and the pregabalin. She said every day 5mg away from cipralex and every day 50mg from the lyrica .

So i taper the cipralex in one week and i taper the lyrica in one week.

From the lyrica tapering i woke up in the night and my body was very wet.

So i told this to my doctor and she said thats psychosomatic . I know thats a side effect from tapering lyrica too fast.

So i took lyrica 50mg at night again with the mirtazapine. 

It works. But after 2 months later i was from the mirtazapine very tired.
One day it was not so bad and At the next day i felt so tired.
My doctor said thats Not possible. 
She said i can Not have one day side effects and one day Not. So my doctor gives me cipralex again.

I said to her i know thats the mirtazapine.
I reduced the mirtazapine 22.5 mg . It dont get better. 15 mg ....nothing better.


So she said took it away. I have no more side effects when i gave the mirtazapin away.

she gives me xanor.

0.5 mg .


After 3 Weeks i woke up in the morning with pain behind my eyes. 

I told this to my doctor.

She said thats psychosomatic.

She said lyrica again 150mg in the evening and in the morning 75 mg and in the evening 75 mg

It doesnt work. My eyes still get hurts 

It was horrible.

So 4 weeks later she said put the lyrica in the day away and also the cipralex.

She said when You have this problem with the eyes and head hurts take a xanor. 

So i took the xanor for 3 months.

The symptoms get very worst 

I dont know what happend to me.

I went to seven doctors.

Everybody said i have a depression with Body symptoms.

The want to give me venlafaxin and mirtazapine. I took this Not.

I was now in a Dose of xanax 3.5 mg.

My First doctor know this.

I get very worse. I Think my head was exploding. i Think i must die.

The doctor Number eight was the right doctor.

He said  you Are always in a withdrawal from xanax. Your brain wont more. 

I Cant believe that. 

So the new doctor bring me to the hospital. For the xanax withdrawal.

It was the hell. The gives me clonidin and lyrica 

100- 100-100- 300 lyrica 

Instead the xanax the gives me oxazepam.
It works and helps me a little bit of the benzo withdrawal. 

And cipralex 25mg because i am a fast metabolizer of this medication
From mirtazapine i am a very slow metabolizer. The doctors in the hospital makes this special blood Test.
Maybe thats the reason why i have side effects from the mirtazapine the new doctor said.




After 6 weeks i was benzo free . I have no symptomes like exploding head or eyes pain or like buggs under my skin.

Lyrica works good but sometimes i was very tired from the medication 

But Not every day. Sometimes i was a little bit lyrica high.

After 10 weeks later i have many side effekts from lyrica.very Tired all the time.

It was horrible.  I was so sad about that.

Every medication is for a little time good for me and than i have side effects 

I cant  believe that.

So i tappered the lyrica . 25 mg every week. I woke up in the morning and i Think i am on benzo withdrawal again.

The side effekts dont get away. I was so tired . And at the next 2 hours i was very fit.Somethings goes wrong with my brain ..then the extremley tierdness go away.
Now i am 6 months free from lyrica.
1 year free from benzos
I have many symptoms
The come and goes in waves.
Feeling dizzy i can Not go into sunlight because my eyes hurts from the light.
Extremley brain fog like my brain is away.
Sleep disturbance . I have no concentration.
When i wake up in the night i have often headaches or a pressure in my head
Often the pressure in my head and under my eyes is before i go to sleep.
I wake up in the night unphysiologic very dizzy and dazed and i see to my eyes like a fog.
Sun trigger the symptomes. I can not go in the sunlight with my dog . I am so dazed every day . Sometimes it get better . Windows and waves. Often i can do nothing because the symptomes are so bad. I look in the mirror and i see a young woman with a very white face and i look so old .....not like me.
My head feel sometimes so Hot but the Temperature is normal. I Think its all from the lyrica tapering. Its a nightmare. Parästhesia in my leg.
Old symptomes gone and NEW come.
Its horrible. I have this all not before.
My doctor said its paws. My brain is from the medication a little bit demaged.
It Gould be better in 2 years.
I am medication free.
My Situation is very bad.
My doctor said my brain is not in homäosthase my neurotransmittersystem is confoused. I have many read about the paws and neurotransmittersystem.
I can not work i am at home.
Would it get better?
Thank you for help.

I have a iatrogen damaged. All the time .
The nightmare begans 2017 with All the medication.



P.s. excuse me for my unperfekt English
I am from Vienna Austria








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Hello Sissi

 

Welcome to SA

 

I am sorry you have had such a terrible time with these drugs.

Your current doctor is correct in the diagnosis of PAWS.

Very few doctors accept that it even exists.

Unfortunately there is no other way than to wait it out until your system returns to Homeostasis.

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This site is full of useful information including ways to help coping with symptoms.

Feel free to browse the posts of other members and engage with them.

You will find some who are in your situation.

 

Sassenach

 

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hope you are finding something useful on here:rolleyes:

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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On 8/20/2019 at 11:45 AM, Sissi said:

Dear sassenach!

Of course. Magnesium and fish oil i take it since 2 months. Yoga is a good idea.

Yesterday it was horrible. The lightsensetivity was so strong .

In the evening extremley head pressure. Very dazed.

I Think whats wrong with me.

Iam a specialy Person with many symptomes on the drugs. And with many symptomes without the drug?

New symptomes comes every day.

About 3 month without the drugs i was sooooo tired.

Then dazed. Then head pressure.

I hope the day will come and i am fit .but in many days i am so hopeless.

I am afraid to go in my bed.... because then the symptomes came Back again. I hear audiobooks that i am not so focused on the symptomes. My doctor said when its not possible for me to cope with the withdrawal we put again the lyrica in the System. Very bad idea i think. I cry a lot. I have a good boyfriend.he pushed me every day.

Thanks a lot 

The girl from Vienna 

 

 

 

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Hello, @Sissi, how are you doing?

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Hi Altostrata!

 

I am finally heald but with medication.

I couldnt handle my symptomes.

My medication is  80mg citalopram

15mg Abilify and 100mg seroquel.

I am fine. I can not believe that when you tapered a medication the brain is like on fire. I want to tapered the citalopram very slowley because i have from this an erektile Dysfunktion. My light sensitivity in my eyes are still present but with sunglasses i can handle this.

My sleep is better. 

I hope you are well.

Thank you for support and best wishes

Sissi 

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Hi Sissi,

 

I’m glad you are healed.  Now, it would be a good idea to consider a long, very slow taper of your medicine.  If you wait too long you might experience tachyphylaxis which is caused by reaching the point when the medication no longer works.  It is as terrible as what you experienced before you healed.  
 

You will need to taper for years to get off the medications you are taking.  If I were you, I would start planning and learning in order to start a taper as soon as possible.  Please consider this and learn as much as you can about it on this website.  It is very important to taper off before:


1. you get old enough that the medication is too dangerous for you to use, or

2. you become allergic to the medicine, or

3. you reach the maximum dose;

4. you have surgery and need to stop your medicine for a few days, or

5. you need to take a medication that interferes with your current medicines or is dangerous to take with those medications.
 

There are a lot of other ways that PAWS can be caused, too, and we may not have control over whether we are put into withdrawal.  Once we have stopped a medication the likelihood we will have withdrawal symptoms from a future cessation of medicine seems to be greater.  Whether this is true or not, we don’t know, be it seems to be the case.

 

If you experience tachyphylaxis, your doctor may increase the dose of medication in response.  That works sometimes, and sometimes it does not work.  Also, every medication has a maximum dose, and I reached that dose.  So, you cannot increase the dose past a certain amount without risks.  
 

You may want to find out what the maximum dose of each medication is to find out how close you are to that dose.  Knowing that May help you decide how soon you want to begin to taper.

 

Good luck.

 

Rosetta

 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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@Sissi, good to hear you're doing better. I would appreciate a little more information. What treatment did you get that helped you? Are you off all psychiatric drugs now?

 

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Hello Altostrata!

 

I was drug free for one year but i can not handle the symptomes.

I am not medication free.

My medication for now

Morning: 80 mg seropram called in the USA citalopram so i think

15mg Abilify 

Evening: 100mg seroquel

Now with this medication i am stabelized with my symptomes. 

No head burn no tiredness no headaches .............. 

At this Point were i was i cannot handle my paws and my doctor put me on the medication again with the knowing that maybe the drugs didnt work. 

It was a risk.

My doctor is very good and believes in paws. 

 

One bad message: with this medication i have an erektile Dysfunktion my sex life is very bad with the seropram.

 

I hope you are well altostrata!

 

Best wishes from Austria!

Sissi 

 

 

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@Sissi, I am sorry to hear you've had these problems. When did you go on Seropam, etc.? Did it work right away?

 

When date did your PAWS start? Which drug caused PAWS, do you think?

 

You were on and off so many drugs. I am looking for your drug history with dates (month and year), when PAWS started, and when it stopped (probably when you started Seropam, etc.)

 

Please look carefully at my questions and answer as completely as you can.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

All postings © copyrighted.

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