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Q:  So your sleep has got worse since you started reducing?

 

If yes, then combining that with the changing in how you feel during the day, seems to indicate that it's the reductions causing the symptoms.

 

You could either do a long hold or make a tiny updose.

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

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I've had this feeeling in the past too, when sleeping at night would make me feel more drugged in the daytime, and a night with no sleep made me feel wired the next day.   Maybe our bodies metabolize drugs more slowly during sleep. 

 

On nights when you do sleep, do you sleep in?  If so, try limiting your sleep to a minimum amount, say 5-6 hours or even less, whatever you think you could get by on.  This can help get you back to sleeping every night.

Started .25 mg. clonazapam Oct. 2016

Started 10 mg. Celexa Dec. 2016

Started 10 mg. amitriptyline January 2017

Also took 60 mg. Dexilant Oct. 2016 through April 2017, successfully tapered off

Stopped Celexa successfully Oct. 2017

Fast taper of amitriptyline Dec. 2017, had major WD symptoms and reinstated at 10 mg. Jan. 2018

Slow amitryptyline taper started Mar. 2019, reduced from 10 mg. to 2.1 mg. currently

Also still taking .25 mg. clonazapam daily in late evening

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I can't really see any pattern to my sleep since my sleep has been all over the map.  Since the 2nd reduction I have been sleeping fairly well (7-8 hours) every other night, with NO sleep on the alternate nights.  Prior to that I averaged about 4 hours per night, with nights of 0-7 hours. Question: what type of syringe do you use for liquid medication? The one from the pharmacy has a tip on it, as do most I see online, which is not included in the measurement of med in the syringe.  So while the measurement lines begin above the tip, the tip

 itself also has a bit of liquid in it when I measure out a dose.  So how do I account for that amount in the tip? Does that make sense? Is there a different type of syringe?

Paxil, 20 mg. daily for last 20 years

Began tapering October 2018.  Took last dose May 2019.

Xanax .25 mg used rarely, just for insomnia.  Maybe took it once a month (or less) over past 10 years.

Remeron 7.5 mg. started 8/2020

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Don't worry about the tip or whether there is liquid left in the syringe.

 

The most important thing is to do everything the same way every time.  That is called being consistent and gives the best accuracy.

 

With regards to whether you should hold or reduce again, that is up to you.  However, if you do decide to reduce again you also have the option of reducing by less than 10%.

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Thanks.  Doctor told me to reduce dose by 1mg to see if that would stop the sedation feeling, but that would have been a 20% drop from where I was, and I had only been there for 1 week.  I tried .5 mg drop for 2 nights and today feel like I am having withdrawal symptoms: head feels hot, it is spinning and pulsing and lots of dizziness, plus increased anxiety.   My plan is to go back to the dosage of 2 days ago.  I assume that will eliminate those symptoms since it's only been 2 days.

Paxil, 20 mg. daily for last 20 years

Began tapering October 2018.  Took last dose May 2019.

Xanax .25 mg used rarely, just for insomnia.  Maybe took it once a month (or less) over past 10 years.

Remeron 7.5 mg. started 8/2020

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48 minutes ago, luvkids said:

My plan is to go back to the dosage of 2 days ago.  I assume that will eliminate those symptoms since it's only been 2 days.

 

Unfortunately there is no guarantee but hopefully it will work.

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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When the term "stabilize" is used here, what exactly does that mean?  Does it mean that your symptoms have stopped getting worse?  Or you are having no new symptoms?  How long should you hold at a particular level to insure stabilization?  If taking a med drop after a month seems to increase the symptoms, what do you do?  Do withdrawal symptoms usually start the day after you take a drop?

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Paxil, 20 mg. daily for last 20 years

Began tapering October 2018.  Took last dose May 2019.

Xanax .25 mg used rarely, just for insomnia.  Maybe took it once a month (or less) over past 10 years.

Remeron 7.5 mg. started 8/2020

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Welcome to SA, luvkinds.

 

"Stabilize" as used here means your symptoms are pretty much (but not totally) the same from day to day, without big swings or changes.  Another way to describe "stabilized" is that you feel more or less the same degree of "blah" (not great or even good but tolerable)from day to day.

 

 Stability

 

How long i takes to stabilize varies from person to person and situation to situation.  See the information on dose change events in the above link.

 

6 hours ago, luvkids said:

If taking a med drop after a month seems to increase the symptoms, what do you do?

Hold until you stabilize.  Do not continue tapering.

 

6 hours ago, luvkids said:

Do withdrawal symptoms usually start the day after you take a drop?

Again, it varies.  It could start the next day or take longer.  It takes a bit more than a week for a dose change to register in the brain.

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems. Get supplements that ae single ingredient (not mixed with other types of supplements).

 

This is your Introduction topic, where you can ask questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here.

 

 

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of March 22: 14.4mgai.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (0.44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Your Introduction topic is here:  luvkids-what-do-i-do-now

 

Only one Introduction topic per member which keeps your history in one place and is the best place to ask questions about your own situation and journal your progress.

 

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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@luvkidsI've merged your two introductions. As ChessieCat wrote, only one intro per member. Please continue posting here. 

Drug free May 22, 2015 after 30 years of neuroleptics, benzos, z-drugs, so-called "anti"-depressants, and amphetamines 

 

My Success Story:  Shep's Success: "Leaving Plato's Cave"

 

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I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

 

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"However, I think you should consider some things before reinstating. 

 

Paxil, 20 mg. daily for last 20 years

Began tapering October 2018.  Took last dose May 2019.

 

You did a very fast taper of 7 months after being on Paxil for 20 years."

 

This just summarizes my problem analyses. That was way (!!!) to fast to taper paxil after 20y. So that's definitely what backdrafted very heavily on you. 

 

Hope you will regain your balance. Wish you strenght.

 

  • I started using 20 mg Paroxetine (Paxil) in 2004 for stressrelated anxiety
  • I attempted several times to stop using Paroxetine, starting a few years later
  • I found out in 2015 about the withdrawal problems and 5-10% rule
  • I started using liquid Seroxat suspension in 2015/2016
  • From 20 mg to 12 mg, I went down 5-10%
  • From 12 mg down due tot withdrawal I was forced to take smaller steps (0,2 ml/4-6 weeks)
  • 09/2018 at 5,6 ml (11,2 mg) of Seroxat Suspension fluid
  • 11/2018 Switch back to 5,7 ml (11,4 mg) to reinstate
  • Started trying the brassmonkey micro-taper method end dec 2018 (0,03 ml/week)
  • Had to updose to 5,585 3/2019
  • Current dose 5,565 4/2021 after >1 year of withdrawal issues (several food sensitivities and conflicts with painkillers, caffein, chocolate etc.)
  • First goal to reach is 10mg
  • Also interested in bridging/poop out subject. 
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