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Hello @composter   . Yes I did it. It seems to have helped even on despiritedness. I started training again and I'm eating healthy. There are 1-2 days when my mood fluctuates but nothing serious. Tomorrow I'm going to drop another 5%. How are you? Hi Attila.

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Johni

Hello @composter. Yes I did it. It seems to have helped even on despiritedness. I started training again and I'm eating healthy. There are 1-2 days when my mood fluctuates but nothing serious. Tomorrow I'm going to drop another 5%. How are you? Hi Attila.

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composter

Great news, Attila. Glad you are eating healthy and staying active, and the mood issues have not been serious. Are you sticking with the general rule of 10% cuts per month?

 

I'm pretty stable these days, thanks for asking. Just proceeding with a very slow taper, about 5% cuts each month.

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Johni

Hello @composter
Yes, of course, I keep on. The amount is decreased by 5% in every 2 weeks. I'm glad you're doing well. I always try to keep myself busy and happy to be able to train again. Hi Attila

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Johni

Hi. From the point of view of pssd is there any difference to decrease?

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Johni

Hi!I've decided that I'll try the 2.5% weekly reduction. I wonder how my mood will swing, will it be less? I hope, everybody is fine. Greetings

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Johni

Hi
Yesterday I've reached -20%. I'm so irritable that I can't handle it. My question is, is it worth keeping until this goes away? Or is it a symptom that will be permanent?
I hope everybody is fine.

Hi

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Johni

Hi
I thought I'd check-in. I recently reached -30%.
I tolerate it surprisingly well. My mood is a bit flat but I’m also pretty active that may help. I exercise 5-6 times a week. I hope everybody is fine. Greetings from Hungary

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Johni

Hi,
I reached 6.3 mg 2 weeks ago. Until then, the reduction went quite well, although the combined 10% reduction turned out to be a lot for me, so I reduced the weight of the tablet by 1 mg in every 5 days. I tolerated this quite well. However, the withdrawal was reached me 2 weeks ago. Discomfort and depression. There are 1-2 things that have passed. Would it be worth keeping it longer? Thanks in advance for the answers. I wish you all the best.

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ChessieCat

Használtam a Google fordítást magyarra. Remélem megértette javaslataimat.

 

Ha megvonási tünetei vannak, 2 választási lehetősége van.


A jelenlegi adagot (6,3 mg) megtarthatja mindaddig, amíg a tünetek elmúlnak. Ha a tünetek elviselhetők, ez a jobb lehetőség.


másképp


Az adagot 6,35 mg-ra (ha meg tudja mérni ezt az mennyiséget) vagy 6,4 mg-ra növelheti. Ne vegye be az előző 6,5 mg-os adagot.

 

 

 

I used the Google translation into Hungarian. I hope you understood my suggestions.

 

If you have withdrawal symptoms, you have 2 choices.


You can keep your current dose (6.3 mg) until your symptoms go away. If the symptoms are bearable, this is the better option.


otherwise


You can increase the dose to 6.35 mg (if you can measure this amount) or 6.4 mg. Do not take the previous dose of 6.5 mg.

 

 

 

 

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Johni

Thank you for your answer. Then I keep this dose. My biggest problem is dissatisfaction. I hope my spirit comes back soon. Training helps a bit, so I train as many times as I can. The Hungarian translation is perfect. Best wishes

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Gridley
37 minutes ago, Johni said:

bother you with these few questions? I wish you strength and perseverance from Hungary

Thank you for your good wishes.

 

I'd be happy to answer your questions as well as I can.

 

To make sure I see your post, type @Gridley.  You will see a rectangle appear.  Click on that.  That will tell me that you have written.  Then write your questions.

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Johni

@Gridley

 

Thanks. I really don't even know how to ask. I was overwhelmed by the displeasure. Will this change during the reduction yet? I’ve read in many places that it’s a constant companion if you can say so. I am still working for now and I hope I will know for a long time to come. Or is there a point when I won’t be able to stand it, so to speak? I hope I’ve managed to express myself well, somehow getting harder these days.
I wish you perseverance.

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Gridley
Posted (edited)

@Johni

 

Please start a topic about yourself in this forum 

What are your symptoms?

 

You have made a lot of changes in your dosage since last November, going up and down.   This is destabilizing to your system and is making you feel bad.  I suggest you make no further changes and stay at your current dose of 26.5 for several months so your nervous system and brain can stabilize.

 

The typical pattern for symptoms is that they come and go. You have what we call waves when things are bad and what we call windows when they get better.  So it will be up and down.  

 

The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker 

 

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Johni
thanks for the reply. I'm currently at 6.3mg. so far everything has gone quite well. but now this reluctance and lack of emotion has reached me as well. the last cut was 2 weeks, I've been going ever since. a lot has changed during the keeping. But then I still hold. I also did the cuts little by little. 1mg of tablet weight every 5 days. Thank you for answering. How are you today ?

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Gridley
Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Johni said:

How are you today ?

I'm doing pretty well, thank you.  Sorry, I misread your signature and got the date confused with your dosage.    

 

We recommend tapering by no more than 10% of your current dose every four weeks.  1mg every 5 days is too fast.  If you are having significant withdrawal symptoms, it means you are tapering too fast.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Please don't forget to start an Introduction topic and post there.

 

 

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Johni
at first I cut 10% a month at a time, but it turned out to be too much. Then from March I started taking 1mg of tablet weight every 5 days. Of course, I did holdings that way. I tolerated the much smaller cut much better than the one big one. Now I have exaggerated the last cutting cycle a bit. I wanted to reach -40%. But I realized it really wasn’t a competition. Thanks for the answer. I'm glad you're okay and have a good day today 😊😊

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Gridley
Posted (edited)

@Johni

 

You are posting in my Introduction topic.  You should be posting in your own topic.  Here is the link to your topic.  Please make all future posts there.

 

Johni : I want to break free

 

 

 

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Johni

sorry

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Gridley
Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Johni said:

sorry

That's fine, not a problem.

Edited by manymoretodays
moved 9 posts concerning Johni from Gridley's to Johni's introduction topic

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Johni
Posted (edited)

@Gridley

 

I wonder if you have experienced this symptom of sudden fatigue? Overnight I became a corpse tired. It's been about a week. No matter how much I sleep. Thank you for your answer. I wish you a nice day.

 

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ChessieCat
Posted (edited)

Hi Johni,

 

  1. Was a dose missing?
  2. Do you take drugs at the same time every day?
  3. Have you done anything differently lately?
  4. Did you go to bed and get up at the usual time?
  5. Did you go out more than usual?
  6. More workouts?
  7. Did you eat a lot?
  8. Have you done something that stimulates the nervous system too much, such as video games, loud music, bright light, exciting or scary movies?
  9. Is there additional stress such as struggle, work problems, longer or harder work, finances, illness?
  10. Do you drink alcohol and / or caffeine?
  11. Bored because you have nothing to do?

 

Google translate:

 

  1. Hiányzott egy adag?
  2. Szed minden nap ugyanabban az időben a drogokat?
  3. Csináltál valamit másképp az utóbbi időben?
  4. Lefeküdtél és felálltál a szokásos időben?
  5. A szokásosnál többen mentél ki?
  6. Több edzés?
  7. Sokat ettél?
  8. Csináltál valamit, amely túl sokat stimulálja az idegrendszert, például videojátékok, hangos zene, erős fény, izgalmas vagy ijesztő filmek?
  9. Van-e további stressz, például küzdelem, munkaproblémák, hosszabb vagy nehezebb munka, pénzügyek, betegség?
  10. Alkoholt és / vagy koffeint iszik?
  11. Unatkozik, mert nincs mit tennie?
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Johni

hello ChessieCat. thanks for the answer. I really didn't change anything. Since this fatigue lasts I have been trying to go to bed earlier. I sleep 7.5 hours on average. I don’t really go out to the store just to train and train. I have been training for 7 months. Now I’m trying to relax a bit in the workout although I feel like the workout has a good effect on me. My work is basically stressful but it’s always looser in the summer so it’s good now. I drink coffee yes but so far no problem. I don’t do too much because my interest has left me pretty low. And I was pretty creative 🙁 Thank you for your time. Have a nice day 😊🌞

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ChessieCat

I've just done a check of your reductions and they all seem okay.

 

25 Oct      9.5      

8 Nov        9          5.26%

13 Dec      8          11.11%

20 Jan      7.5       6.25%

27 Apr      7           6.66%

2 Jun        6.5        7.14%

25 Jun     6.3        3.08%       

 

Have you started or stopped any new supplements?

 

It might just be a regular wave that you are experiencing.

 

It might also be the Covid situation which is affecting you.  It has been a very strange year so far and it is hard not to be affected by what has happened because it has been so unusual and there is still a lot of uncertainty.  We have other members who have been reporting that they are experiencing unexpected and/or worse waves than usual.

 

the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization

 

When a wave hits it is best to accept it (instead of fighting against it or feeling negative about it), practise self care and get through it the best we can.  It's good to do some relaxation exercises as well as some physical activity.  You might also find it helpful to do some simple activities for your brain like some puzzles.  Nothing hard, just something to give your brain a little bit of work to do.  It is difficult when we are creative but aren't able to do our creative things.  That happens to me too so I know how frustrating it is.  Just make sure that you don't overdo it.  Everything in moderation.  During the morning think about what you can do during the afternoon after lunch.  And in the afternoon think about what you can do the next morning.  Even if you don't end up doing them you have been giving your brain a bit of work and distracting yourself for a while.

 

I had been home for 3 months by myself and not going out and I was getting very bored.  We were only allowed to go for a drive for essential things.  I bought some joggers online and drove to pick them up (instead of getting them mailed) so I had a reason to go out.  Driving was good because I was using my brain.

 

Have you seen this topic?  It's hasn't been available because it has been updated recently. 

 

are-we-there-yet-how-long-is-withdrawal-going-to-take

 

And this is good too.  Our brains are busy doing a lot of work.

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery

 

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ChessieCat
26 minutes ago, Johni said:

My work is basically stressful but it’s always looser in the summer so it’s good now.

 

It's possible that your brain enjoys the challenge of the job when it's more stressful but now your brain is feeling a bit lazy especially if you aren't doing any recreational things which use your brain.

 

I hope things get back to WDnormal soon.

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Johni

thanks for the answer. What I started recently is magnesium glycinate. My work does not require a lot of mental work, except for enduring 1-2 people 😂. Many of my symptoms have passed since the last cut. started with 5 days of continuous suicidal thoughts which, thanks to god, is a thing of the past na a little depressed feeling left but it is also a thing of the past. Now he is only preoccupied with fatigue and frustration. Thanks for the links. I’m still holding this month, and then I’ll see how to move on. Thanks for the help. I also look at the links 😊

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Johni

Hello @Gridley .Interestingly, most days I wake up in the evening, meaning I come to my senses. I wonder if I stay tired or not after my workout. My symptoms so far have always pretty much disappeared after training. Of course, only temporarily. I wish you strength and perseverance.😊

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Johni

Hi there. A little update. I stopped taking magnesium 2 days ago. My fatigue is almost completely gone and I feel much more viable. I don’t know if it’s really because I stopped taking magnesium or my wave just ended. I was a little reluctant again. Thank God. I wish everyone a nice weekend and strength.💪💪💪

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Gridley
2 hours ago, Johni said:

My fatigue is almost completely gone

That's great, Johni.  If the magnesium makes you tired, there's no need to take it.  If you want to try it again some time in the future you could take a much lower dose and see how that does.  

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Johni

Thanks. I've never felt so tired before. but thank god it is over.

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jozeff

Good news Johni!!

How much magnesium were you taking? I take 400 mg myself.

 

Hope you will have this energy level for much longer!!

 

 

Cheers

 

Jozeff

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Johni

Hello. Initially 100mg before bed for a more restful sleep, then 200at. I never woke up at night but somehow still slept restlessly. I was active all weekend. so it's good that I stopped. all the best 😊

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jozeff

Thabks,!

 

Did the magnesium make you miserable? Think I never heard that before.

 

Jozeff

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