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hello all,

i want to write to you about my experience with antidepressants. these drugs were damaging to me. after i quit these drugs( which i knew that i didnt need them at all), i was saying to my doctor that i wasn't bad like that before starting the drugs but he is obliged that this is the anxiety i have, but i sware i havn't like that  at all.  my problem wasn't with relation to anxiety disorder at all but it is very easy for a psychiatrist to put you on antidepressants, it is much more dangerous than they think. i will be sorry to tell you that i completed the way of weaning off of antidepressants 2 times before that time, and every time i take a long time for some problems to get better like equilibrium but because i think iam not fully ok like first and no doctor can give advice about waiting, i start to think that i cant live without the drugs although they were harmful and what makes it worse is that my problem i was suffering from isn't solved with drugs or without them but because stopping drugs make your nerves and body and mentality in a bad case, you be obliged to start them again and live any way but i cant accept that, i was ok before these poisons and some sessions and information and entertainment could help me with my problem or make it hide. i won't accept to live with half of my power because antidepressants force me to that.  iam now weaning off of my last antidepressants use, i write this after about 5.5 months from very rapid taper. suffering from disequilibrium which i think will ned some more time to be ok and very bad depersonalization. iam sorry to tell that when i walk in the street i think plus to depersonalization that i cant see things and people but the good news is that every thing is getting better.  i lived the experience it self before but without understanding any thing.  i wish i waited before to all the withdrawals to go away and there i would have decided not to be back to antidepressants at all but i will wait this time. my suffer now is feeling my head is numb, cant think logically or form thoughts nor remember in details in addition to the depersonalization but these problems was very very severe at the beginning of weaning off and now a lot better but not totally improved. i think i will be better after a while and this time i will through antidepressants in the rubbish box.

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Gridley

Welcome to SA, Mustafa.  Congratulations on your decision to be drug-free.  This website is dedicated to helping members taper off psychiatric drugs and to deal with withdrawal from these drugs.  

 

You write that you are weaning off the last of your antidepressants after a very rapid taper.  Please tell us the drugs you previously tapered, the dosages and the speed of your taper.  Please also tell us the drug you are tapering now, the original dosage, your current dosage and the speed of your taper.  Put this information in a drug signature using this link:

 

Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

We recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your current dose every four weeks.

 

 http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/

 

The symptoms you describe are typical withdrawal symptoms resulting from a too-fast taper.  It's a good sign that your symptoms are improving.  So that you may better understand what you are experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal:

 
 
 
When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.  
 
These explain it really well:

 

 

   On 8/30/2011 at 2:28 PM,  Rhiannon said: 
When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) It also continues to happen, probably for longer than the symptoms actually last, throughout the time of recovery after we are completely off the drug, which is why recovery takes so long.

We strongly encourage using non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal.  Look at the links contained in the following link and see which you think my be of benefit to you.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.
 
This is your Introduction topic, where you can answer my questions, ask your own questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/22/2019 at 11:29 PM, Gridley said:

Welcome to SA, Mustafa.  Congratulations on your decision to be drug-free.  This website is dedicated to helping members taper off psychiatric drugs and to deal with withdrawal from these drugs.  

 

You write that you are weaning off the last of your antidepressants after a very rapid taper.  Please tell us the drugs you previously tapered, the dosages and the speed of your taper.  Please also tell us the drug you are tapering now, the original dosage, your current dosage and the speed of your taper.  Put this information in a drug signature using this link:

 

Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

We recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your current dose every four weeks.

 

 http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/

 

The symptoms you describe are typical withdrawal symptoms resulting from a too-fast taper.  It's a good sign that your symptoms are improving.  So that you may better understand what you are experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal:

 
 
 
When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur.  
 
These explain it really well:

 

 

   On 8/30/2011 at 2:28 PM,  Rhiannon said: 
When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) It also continues to happen, probably for longer than the symptoms actually last, throughout the time of recovery after we are completely off the drug, which is why recovery takes so long.

We strongly encourage using non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal.  Look at the links contained in the following link and see which you think my be of benefit to you.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.
 
This is your Introduction topic, where you can answer my questions, ask your own questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

I started taking magnesium carbonate and felt a great improvement. I wrote a reply before that one to you but there was an internet problem. I'm really greatful to you because magnesium 25 mgs helped me alot and made me much more active. I don't really understand your quote. I tapered my drugs very rapid and didn't reduce the dose gradually at all. I have some questions please that is there any way to estimate how long I will suffer?, Should I continue taking magnesium 25 mgs + omega 3 2000mgs until iam ok?, Are there any other recommendations for drugs to help? Do i need to be on a lower dose from antidepressants( despite their harness and I don't mean side effects no, these drugs have no any benefit to me) to help my nervous system?  And how to handle feeling blocks in head that if you try to remember, you feel this path is blocked or as I read time is the only way? 

Finally iam very greatful to you that magnesium supplement helped me alot. Thank you so much.

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Welcome, Mustafa.

 

If magnesium and omega-3 help, I'd continue to take them. You might find magnesium citrate or glycinate more effective.

 

We cannot tell anyone how long recovery from withdrawal syndrome might take. How long has it been since you took a drug? What was it, what was the dosage?

 

Please simplify your signature so we can see at a glance what you've been taking and when you went off.

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thank you so much. i did that right now.

but i only wonder that these symptomts may last for another many months, is it ok to have omega 3 and magnesium for all these months or to take them for discontuating periods.

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4 hours ago, mustafa said:

is there any way to estimate how long I will suffer?, Should I continue taking magnesium 25 mgs + omega 3 2000mgs until iam ok?, Are there any other recommendations for drugs to help? Do i need to be on a lower dose from antidepressants( despite their harness and I don't mean side effects no, these drugs have no any benefit to me) to help my nervous system?  And how to handle feeling blocks in head that if you try to remember, you feel this path is blocked or as I read time is the only way? 

 

As Alto said, unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long withdrawal lasts.  

 

Yes, continue taking the magnesium and omegas until you are okay.  We don't recommend any other supplements.

 

We don't recommend a low dose of any antidepressant to deal with withdrawal.

 

Time is the most dependable cure.  We also recommend non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal.  Look at the links in the following link and see which techniques you thing might benefit you.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

These links are helpful for dealing with anxiety.

 

 
These links are helpful for dealing with insomnia.
 
Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia
 
 
Trick and tips to fall asleep faster
 
This link contains helpful information, including insomnia and also non-drug coping skills.  
 
 
 
 
 


 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gridley said:

 

As Alto said, unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long withdrawal lasts.  

 

Yes, continue taking the magnesium and omegas until you are okay.  We don't recommend any other supplements.

 

We don't recommend a low dose of any antidepressant to deal with withdrawal.

 

Time is the most dependable cure.  We also recommend non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal.  Look at the links in the following link and see which techniques you thing might benefit you.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope

 

These links are helpful for dealing with anxiety.

 

 
These links are helpful for dealing with insomnia.
 
Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia
 
 
Trick and tips to fall asleep faster
 
This link contains helpful information, including insomnia and also non-drug coping skills.  
 
 
 
 
 


 

 

 

i really don't know how to thank you. you rescued my life and made me feel not alone at all

i'm very greatful to you.

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mustafa

unknown depersonalization

 

weaning off of antidepressants for 6 months now and i don't know how the depersonalization should improve for me. must i feel panic to recover or what?

 

when i stopped taking the drug and tapered all of it in only one day, i started to feel like that; imagine you are feeling you will die and feel every moment of loosing your awareness and then you died and then you wake up again to be alive but with the loss of awarness you had; i couldn't understand any of the actions around me ;  i said to my self alot of times that what's going on, what is that action i see meaning?.  of course iam now much better, withdrawals are getting better any way but i don't know where am i from this improvement and what should happen to feel iam out of depersonalization's dangerous zone;  must i feel a real loss of awarness as a transient stage between what i suffer and to be normal without disabling depersonalization or that is the top of my depersonalization and it must be down; one thing i know about withdrawals is that by time your neurosmitters are getting better and you feel emotions more and more, so must i feel depersonalization more than that?.  one of my friends was exposed to a very terrifying situation and had depersonalization, he told me that after recovery, he can't remember somethings during being depersonalized, should i believe him and expect i will suffer like him or it is different.  i always tell my self that my brain can't support what happened and a transient thing must be found. i'm very annoyed that i don't feel any horror despite that i know that depersonalization patiens feel horror (even if they know the nature of depersonlization that knowing what's going on make you less stressed )so,  are there types of depersonalization or i didn't reach the much of improvement to be like that. what's happening to me?

 

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1 hour ago, mustafa said:

are there types of depersonalization or i didn't reach the much of improvement to be like that. what's happening to me?

 

Depersonalization eventually gets better, but there is no schedule and it can take a long time.  No one can predict how long. Everyone's situation is different, so it isn't useful to compare yourself with others..  Try not to over-analyze.   You will just get yourself upset.  There is so much about withdrawal, including depersonalization, that no one understands.  Just take it one day at a time.

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13 minutes ago, Gridley said:

 

Depersonalization eventually gets better, but there is no schedule and it can take a long time.  No one can predict how long. Everyone's situation is different, so it isn't useful to compare yourself with others..  Try not to over-analyze.   You will just get yourself upset.  There is so much about withdrawal, including depersonalization, that no one understands.  Just take it one day at a time.

Depersonalization + balancing problems make can't go out and stay at home but I can in some days go for a walk ( but very rare), can't go to work or even have fun so, analiyzing is easy to control you.Before visiting survivingantidepressants , my analyzation was very very high that to say every action and every moment is noticed and analyzed ,as you say, by me and that is really upsetting.

I will try not to check my improvement but believe me that I live in a society that can never accept the idea of being tired due to withdrawals. It is not just I suffer from withdrawals no, I suffer from ideas and sociality. If this was different, withdrawals were to be neglected something.

Many thanks to you and I'm sorry for being out of the topic content in my last words. 

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23 minutes ago, mustafa said:

make can't go out and stay at home

 

We have other members who can't go out.  Slowly they do get better.  First they can leave the bed, then their room, then the house.  Withdrawal is not accepted by psychiatrists in our culture either.  

 

26 minutes ago, mustafa said:

I'm sorry for being out of the topic content in my last words. 

 

You didn't do anything wrong.  No problem.  

 

Take good care of yourself and be kind to yourself.

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thank you very much, gridley for strong support and help. without being here, every thing was to be severe. keep going to help more and more get rid off these poisons. i will write to you about my advance and waiting for more help, if possible.

 

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hello to all, I write to you concerning my withdrawals and sorry to write alot but to talk about something strange. My suffer after my last drug is severe depersonalization,  as i told you; I know you are not psychiatrists nor specialists but there may be some other member like me so you can give advice. I feel that all the day i'm a sleep, not dreaming only no , iam a sleep. I don't know why i expect that something severe must happen to break down this feeling like if you wake up suddenly. the feeling of to wake up happened to me one time these days, it was like i say to my self, did that happen to me?. i think my brain, as i read here,  knows his way to recover, it won't do any thing strange and i will be convinced be it's recovery, but how?? to describe my feeling from the beginning of withdrawals to now, i started first be suspecting things like that if there is a book on a table, i can't give a judge that there is a book on the table but now much more better and to say my mental actions is 99% from its power but some thing i can't understand is there. i feel not afraid( and this is a problem too that how i'm not worried about any thing) but also can't seetle down that i expect to wake up, yes to wake up.

A question to ask, would some thing happen for my brain that can't withstand it or all is fine and don't be worry my brain will deal? 

if any advice about other experiences with withdrawals is their, please tell me what to expect.

thank you griedly and thanks to you altostrata.

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21 minutes ago, mustafa said:

A question to ask, would some thing happen for my brain that can't withstand it or all is fine and don't be worry my brain will deal? 

 

Time will be the cure.  Healing from depersonalization will be a gradual process.  Nothing severe is necessary to "wake up" from the depersonalization.    In fact, you should be gentle with yourself and avoid stress whenever possible.  Your brain is not broken and will deal with the withdrawal.  The brain has an amazing ability to heal itself, known as neuroplasticity.

 

 
There will be ups and downs, windows and waves.
 
 
That is what to expect.
 
 
 

 

 

 
 
 

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Hi gridley and altostrata. Hope you are ok. Let me tell you something may be funny but for me it is a pleasure and sorry for my self to be like that. I started to be feeling stressed, started to have a little of panics and that didn't happen never since I stopped the drug; that means for me I'm going to be my self again. I was never stressed for any thing but I started to be. I'm waiting for more improvement. I write to you because I want to be motivated more and sorry for any thing but no one understanda that meaning except here.

When I walk. I feel now panic and afraid a little,That is really good( thanks to these toxic drugs withdrawals).

I need your advice please for adding vitamins b1,6,12 via ampoules because I feel some times I can't control my legs nor arms. I take magnesium carbonate 50 mg, omega 3( 2000mg) and vitamine E (400 mg) now.

thank you very much.

 

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21 minutes ago, mustafa said:

I need your advice please for adding vitamins b1,6,12 via ampoules

 

I would be careful. In withdrawal B vitamins can be overstimulating.
 
 

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i dont know. but vitamine b has no very bad effect to me or may it was responsible for making me more nervous. i will be careful and won't use.

 

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Me.gridley, 

Would you please describe my symptompts now if they are severe or moderate. 

 

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6 minutes ago, mustafa said:

 

Would you please describe my symptompts now if they are severe or moderate. 

 

From what you've written, your main symptom is depersonalization.  If that's the only significant symptom, and you are functioning, I would describe your symptoms as moderate.  

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5 minutes ago, Gridley said:

 

From what you've written, your main symptom is depersonalization.  If that's the only significant symptom, and you are functioning, I would describe your symptoms as moderate.  

It is depersonalization but with some problems in memory. Can't remember actions and their dates easily.these problems in memory and nerves worsen the depersonalization. I don't know exactly how depersonalized am i because I need first to remember things and then I will feel they are strange to me. I will tell you a situation from a week ago, I woke up from bed and did something and when back again to sleep, I felt like there is a real mountain in my head without any ability from me to refuse that, yes, it was like I don't care about that. When I remember this,I feel there is still a long way to be the person I know again. Now, there is no any link between me and everyday life. I know I can't do any thing for this. It is just to share with you sir to feel not alone. 

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Hello, I'm sorry for the lot asking for advice. I could buy  a product today which has these specifications:

It is called 'Natrol'9 

Omega 3-6-9 complex 

Heart health 

With fish, flax& borage oil 

Omega 3 ( 400 mg) (Epa70mg /dha 45mg) 

Flax oil (400 mg) 

Borage oil (400mg).

The old one I was using was called omega 3 plus, it is a local product of no high quality and had the specifications like that: 

1000mg fish oil (epa+dha)

Wheat germ oil (100mg).

So is the first one ok to use or is wrong one? 

If it is not ok,can I use it without problems because I can't give it back .

Can I use 2 capsules but a one from each product, If it is ok ? 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Omega 3-6-9 complex 

 

This supplement looks fine to me.  I would use only the 3-6-9 and not mix the two supplements.  Start with a low dose to make sure there are no problems, then increase if it is okay.

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Can royal gelly help reducing depression?

Omega is very ok for making recovery faster but has no effect on the depression withdrawal ( I suffer from depersonalization due to this bad depression) so, if I take vitamins containing royal jelly, would it help? Or do you have any recommendation, gridley?

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52 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Can royal gelly help reducing depression?

I don't know anything about this.

 

 

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Hi gridley, I hope you do well.

I started to use the product of natro ok, it looks it is a very good product and effective. I could see its effect on my brain but unfortunatley I showed sensitivity to it.it make me nervous and some more depressed. I can't divide it cause it is gelatine capsules.

Should I continue use it and this sensitivity problem will go away or to stop it now? 

Thank you gridley.

 

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24 minutes ago, mustafa said:

I showed sensitivity to it.it make me nervous and some more depressed. I can't divide it cause it is gelatine capsules.

Should I continue use it and this sensitivity problem will go away or to stop it now? 

Thank you gridley.

 

I would stop it.  When we are in withdrawal, we become very sensitive to supplements and even some foods.  

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18 minutes ago, Gridley said:

we become very sensitive to supplements and even some foods.  

So do we have an explanation for this?

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It is because our central nervous systems have been destabilized, first by becoming dependent on the drugs and then by withdrawal from the drugs.  A destabilized nervous system has been traumatized and a result is very sensitive.  

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15 minutes ago, Gridley said:

It is because our central nervous systems have been destabilized, first by becoming dependent on the drugs and then by withdrawal from the drugs.  A destabilized nervous system has been traumatized and a result is very sensitive.  

I don't really believe, how for these terrible drugs to be sold with no problem!?  For me they are more dangerous than benzos. I'm afraid gridley. I'm about to enter the stage of being terrified from depersonalization. I don't make sense now for my words these to you.

Pray for me pls.

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11 minutes ago, mustafa said:

'm about to enter the stage of being terrified

Try not to panic, mustafa.  Depersonalization gets better and goes away. It takes time but it will happen.

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hi gridley, i hope you are well.

a lot of dreams inside each other . i wake up from a one to enter another one.

what before the last dream?

you can neglect this message if you want.

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Your posts resonates with me. I experienced the exact same things. They do get better. I am 8 months completely off and have noticed around a 60%-70% improvement in WD symptoms. Keep at it, you got it! 

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8 minutes ago, Cocopuffz17 said:

Your posts resonates with me. I experienced the exact same things. They do get better. I am 8 months completely off and have noticed around a 60%-70% improvement in WD symptoms. Keep at it, you got it! 

it is very very nice to hear that from you ,cocopuffz17. keep connected to me, i think like iam lost. i want to ask you, how is your memory now and how was it when you were 6 months of withdrawals? and do you response now to actions? did you feel terrified any time?

 

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4 minutes ago, mustafa said:

it is very very nice to hear that from you ,cocopuffz17. keep connected to me, i think like iam lost. i want to ask you, how is your memory now and how was it when you were 6 months of withdrawals?

 

 

During my taper it was crap. Everything sucked I could barely function as a human in the last two weeks of the taper and two months post zero( I tapered too fast, these can be minimized by a proper taper). I still get blips of really bad focus/concentration/logical thinking. It’s slowly getting better. It used to be constant struggling now it’s every other day. Like for example I had headaches and tinnitus constantly for months. I now get it maybe once a day for like 1-2 mins. Everyday that passes is another day closer to being healed! 

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1 hour ago, Cocopuffz17 said:

 

During my taper it was crap. Everything sucked I could barely function as a human in the last two weeks of the taper and two months post zero( I tapered too fast, these can be minimized by a proper taper). I still get blips of really bad focus/concentration/logical thinking. It’s slowly getting better. It used to be constant struggling now it’s every other day. Like for example I had headaches and tinnitus constantly for months. I now get it maybe once a day for like 1-2 mins. Everyday that passes is another day closer to being healed! 

hope you get well soon.

write to me about your progress if ok and let me message you if you dont mind.

 

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3 minutes ago, mustafa said:

hope you get well soon.

write to me about your progress if ok and let me message you if you dont mind.

 

 

Thanks! Ya, send me a msg anytime you want! 

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