mustafa: withdrawals

[mustafa]

On 7/14/2020 at 2:42 AM, ChessieCat said:

Any you should make sure you still brush your teeth gently with a soft toothbrush.

My dear chessiecat and @brassmonkey, thanks for the technique recommended, it works very good and salt water is very ok to make the gengitives very gentle.

I really appreciate this, gingitives was very bothering but now iam ok so thanks again and again.

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Gernerally I still suffering with DP, I feel like lost and yesterday was bad for me.

What makes me bothered is that I feel iam 2 persons and the two are separated, the first one is who facing the current withdrawals and the other is who will complete the life after recovery.

I feel that the two persons are separated with a barrier and I dont know how the transition from one side of the barrier to the other side will be like. The big trouble is to accept this transition without a problem and another trouble is that I dont know, will I accept this easily or something else( I cant control to determine whether I will be like this or that).

Iam sure that I will be myself again at a time but the process itself is bad and silly, very silly.

I know all message is negative but, I know the next day will be better so, wait and see❤.

[ChessieCat]

You're welcome.  I'm glad we were able to help and that it is working

 

You might be feeling worse at this time because of the antibiotics that you took.

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by ChessieCat

[mustafa]

5 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

You're welcome.  I'm glad we were able to help and that it is working

 

You might be feeling worse at this time because of the antibiotics that you took.

 

Thanks chessica for the rapid reply of my prob. The next day replied to me fast and iam better today so I have to find out that the antobiotic was responsible for the hell days I lived since 3 days and till today.

Incredible for me that this antibiotic can make the WDs very bad to the limit of thinking of suicide and after my CNS become stable again, iam ok agian and want to complete; I think you have to stress the words of ( non drug techniques to cope), thats because it is very and top important not to put any type of chemistry to your brain while in withdrawals.

Thanks chessieca for giving me again the key of remembering not to add any chemistry at all until iam recovered.

 

[Erell]

Hello dear Mustafa, 

 

quickly stopping by to give you my support and encouragements ❤️

 

You're on your path to recovery, and I can't wait to read your Success story one day !

 

Take care ☀️

[Cocopuffz17]

Glad you are doing better! Antibiotics are awful for your microbiome. Broad spectrum antibiotics destroy all bacteria.... good and bad. I personally will never take one again in my life. 

[mustafa]

5 hours ago, Erell said:

Hello dear Mustafa, 

 

quickly stopping by to give you my support and encouragements ❤️

 

You're on your path to recovery, and I can't wait to read your Success story one day !

 

Take care ☀️

Thanks erell for always being supportive and before I had the notification that u commented into my thread, I wanted to pass by yours to remind u with your goal from the beidge from paroxetine to fluoxetine; bridging didnt fail and remember that u are doing something for making the withdrawals easier and easier.

Both of us will have a success story🙏.

Take care of yourself

[mustafa]

3 hours ago, Cocopuffz17 said:

Glad you are doing better! Antibiotics are awful for your microbiome. Broad spectrum antibiotics destroy all bacteria.... good and bad. I personally will never take one again in my life. 

Yes coco and really the difference from having antibiotics to not having them equal suicidal thoughts; not only antibiotics but alot of drugs that motivate the brain( peracetam for example), so a mistake of having these chemicals can make it further worse.

Being in WDs make us continue make mistakes( having bad food and taking drugs) but I think any one who is in withdrawals must be highly warned from any type of drug and it isnt a choice at all whether to take a drug or not.

[Cocopuffz17]

22 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Yes coco and really the difference from having antibiotics to not having them equal suicidal thoughts; not only antibiotics but alot of drugs that motivate the brain( peracetam for example), so a mistake of having these chemicals can make it further worse.

Being in WDs make us continue make mistakes( having bad food and taking drugs) but I think any one who is in withdrawals must be highly warned from any type of drug and it isnt a choice at all whether to take a drug or not.

Absolutely, live and learn! That’s how I learned about nutrition and how to get off these meds. 

[mustafa]

Hello @Altostrata and @Gridley,

Please what can help with vertigo and dizziness?!; I noticed that my veryigo increases at some time and become too bad.

My greetings to u ❤

Edit: I have to add that I want to know how to cope with heart problems also please and pulpitations.

[Gridley]

@mustafa

 

One of the suggestions in this link is to see a physical therapist.  One post mentions exercises to help with the dizziness.  A physical therapist might be able to suggest some exercises.

Dizziness, vertigo, light-headedness, rocking or swaying ...

Regarding heart problems, that's beyond our expertise here.  We do suggest if you have heart issues, have them checked out by a doctor.  

[eljay]

On 7/13/2020 at 10:29 PM, brassmonkey said:

The most common form of saltwater used for an antiseptic is called an isotonic solution and contains 9% salt. The easiest way to make it is 1/2 teaspoon salt to 1 cup warm water.

 

So, please forgive me if I"m incorrect on the math as I am in the middle of withdrawal! I'm trying to sort out making my own liquid and I'm reading contradicting information. This is a quote from a post from altostrata

"Your best bet would be to use a homemade isotonic saline solution (9% salt in water) which is made by dissolving 9 grams of table salt in 100mL of water. This mixture will last for a month or so in the refrigerator if you haven't added the drug to it.  Once the drug is added it will keep for about a week."

 

9 grams of salt is roughly 1.5 teaspoons. If you were making a 1 cup solution, which is 240ml, That would need about 3.5 teaspoons, no 1/2 a teaspoon. Again, I might be wrong! I just want to get it straight in my healing brain!

 

 

 

[mustafa]

1 hour ago, eljay said:

 

So, please forgive me if I"m incorrect on the math as I am in the middle of withdrawal! I'm trying to sort out making my own liquid and I'm reading contradicting information. This is a quote from a post from altostrata

"Your best bet would be to use a homemade isotonic saline solution (9% salt in water) which is made by dissolving 9 grams of table salt in 100mL of water. This mixture will last for a month or so in the refrigerator if you haven't added the drug to it.  Once the drug is added it will keep for about a week."

 

9 grams of salt is roughly 1.5 teaspoons. If you were making a 1 cup solution, which is 240ml, That would need about 3.5 teaspoons, no 1/2 a teaspoon. Again, I might be wrong! I just want to get it straight in my healing brain!

 

 

 

Hello eljay, 

Iam so sorry, I dont think I understand what u mean, do u ask the help.of brassmonkey?, here is my own information.

Yes, salt water helps me alot with gingivitis but to be honest, I dont consider the math but as I understand, 1/2 teaspoon is little and more salt is needed yes.

I add salt to water until I feel the water tastes salty and this help for sure( but I dont consider the math at all).

Do u think it is wrong to do this?

 

 

[brassmonkey]

There are a lot of instructions online to make isotonic saline solution.  Most of them are using some variation of 1/2 teaspoon per cup of water. Unless you need a laboratory grade solution that will get you close enough. We are looking for a 9% solution which would involve dissolving 9 grams of salt in 1 liter of water which is just about the same as dissolving 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 1 cup of water. There are just under 4 cups of water in 1 liter of water, so 1/2 x 4 = 2 teaspoons plus a little to make the volume conversion.

[eljay]

12 hours ago, mustafa said:

Hello eljay, 

Iam so sorry, I dont think I understand what u mean, do u ask the help.of brassmonkey?, here is my own information.

Yes, salt water helps me alot with gingivitis but to be honest, I dont consider the math but as I understand, 1/2 teaspoon is little and more salt is needed yes.

I add salt to water until I feel the water tastes salty and this help for sure( but I dont consider the math at all).

Do u think it is wrong to do this?

 

 

Hi mustafa,

I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about the 9% salt solution used for proper tablet dissolution in a liquid titration. Apples and oranges. My apologies. 😕

[eljay]

11 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

There are a lot of instructions online to make isotonic saline solution.  Most of them are using some variation of 1/2 teaspoon per cup of water. Unless you need a laboratory grade solution that will get you close enough. We are looking for a 9% solution which would involve dissolving 9 grams of salt in 1 liter of water which is just about the same as dissolving 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 1 cup of water. There are just under 4 cups of water in 1 liter of water, so 1/2 x 4 = 2 teaspoons plus a little to make the volume conversion.

Hi Brass Monkey,

Ok, now I'm really confused! This quote from altostrata's instructions "which is made by dissolving 9 grams of table salt in 100mL". 

But you're saying 9 grams in a liter of water. A liter is 1000ml, not 100ml. These two instructions are 10x difference in strength. I am a bit brain fogged so I may be missing something. Can you clarify?

 

[brassmonkey]

Where are you finding that quote?

[mustafa]

12 hours ago, eljay said:

Hi mustafa,

I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about the 9% salt solution used for proper tablet dissolution in a liquid titration. Apples and oranges. My apologies. 😕

Never mind dear❤,

I still have my advice to u not to consider math ; focus on having a not very salty solution and it should works.

This is only my experience and I hope nothing dangerous I say.

Dont mention any apologies please, we are one community and all friends.

[Hanna72]

@mustafa

Just dropping by to give you a hug💖

Stay safe and strong🙏

[eljay]

12 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

Where are you finding that quote?

Hi Brassmonkey,

It's in the 'tips for tapering off Lexapro' post here: It's toward the bottom of the post under 'do it yourself liquid'.

 

11 hours ago, mustafa said:

Never mind dear❤,

I still have my advice to u not to consider math ; focus on having a not very salty solution and it should works.

This is only my experience and I hope nothing dangerous I say.

Dont mention any apologies please, we are one community and all friends.

Thank you Mustafa you are sweet! (((hug)))

[eljay]

12 hours ago, mustafa said:

Never mind dear❤,

I still have my advice to u not to consider math ; focus on having a not very salty solution and it should works.

This is only my experience and I hope nothing dangerous I say.

Dont mention any apologies please, we are one community and all friends.

Thank you Mustafa you are sweet! (((hug)))

[brassmonkey]

Thanks for the link eljay I'll look into it and talk it over with Alto.

[eljay]

11 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

Thanks for the link eljay I'll look into it and talk it over with Alto.

Thx Brassmonkey. 

[Erell]

Hello dear Mustafa,

 

How are you doing these days?

 

Take care 

[mustafa]

9 hours ago, Erell said:

Hello dear Mustafa,

 

How are you doing these days?

 

Take care 

My dear erell,

iam greatful you are thinking of me, this really creates motivation, thanks alot ❤.

Actually, I couldnt reply to you in the morning that I was in a bad situation and symptomts were so severe but I realized that the cause was the exercises I had; it looks that exercices of any type are harmful for who have DP and as u know, Iam with a master's degree for Depersonalization suffer now 😂 , so any type of exerices is deadly for me.

Iam better now with less symptomts❤ and for sure decided not to exercise ever until iam recovered.

I hope u are fine, I know that you decreased your fluoxetine dosage and so happy it worked better for u and dont forget the goal of bridging to fluoxetine, it will be way gentler  to taper I hope.

Please take care 🙏.

 

[Hanna72]

9 hours ago, mustafa said:

Iam with a master's degree for Depersonalization suffer now 😂

Dear @mustafa

We will all have master degree in withdrawals symptoms after this big test that we are having 😆

Hugs to you and enjoy your weekend 💖

[mustafa]

On 8/14/2020 at 11:59 AM, Hanna72 said:

Dear @mustafa

We will all have master degree in withdrawals symptoms after this big test that we are having 😆

Hugs to you and enjoy your weekend 💖

Exactly  hannaa😆👌

 

[mustafa]

Hello @Altostrata& @Gridley, I hope u are both with good health.

In fact I think I live the hardest time suffering since I started suffering from stopping the drug and u can say the best time as well !!!

As I expected, iam suffering episodes of great terror and great loss of control feeling, when I suffer this, I feel like the world is about to end at this point and I will lose control of myself no way but what happens these days is that I try to hang on, try to lie on bed and let myself to whatever will happen but what I like is that this episode already ends and I become fairly feeling self control.

What makes me like awaiting is that iam afraid of these episodes to increase in horror and I dont know anything I would do if this happened; iam very careful to put any type of drug yo my brain, I wanted to try magnesium again but afraid to have a bad effect.

These new symptots are very high at the period from 6pm and reach the peak at about 7:30_7:45pm.

I think iam in need for information about anxiety behaviour and what should I do during this peak in symptomts, should I relax or this would br wrong?!

Thanks in advance for u dears

[Erell]

Hello dear Mustafa 

 

I'm sorry to read you're struggling. 

 

Do these spikes occur everyday at 6pm ? 

 

Big hugs ❤

[mustafa]

12 minutes ago, Erell said:

Hello dear Mustafa 

 

I'm sorry to read you're struggling. 

 

Do these spikes occur everyday at 6pm ? 

 

Big hugs ❤

Hello dear erell,

Yes and since five days, the spikes iccur every day.

I always compare these episodes to the pressure in my head and the current pressure makes me feel that there are more from these episodes and they would be stronger but,I know that suffering more equals getting closer to recovery and for this reason, I try my best to hang on.

 

[Hanna72]

Dear @mustafa

Sending you strength and support.

You are stronger then you think, just look at how far you have come, it takes a strong soul to persevere. And that’s exactly what you are. Your post always have a calm sense to them even though I know you are struggling. That’s what will keep your focus on staying calm and not letting your thoughts about the situation overwhelm you.

I am praying for some relief for you, there is no where else but up in store for you.

You can do this, and know that this will pass.

Hugs my friend 💖

 

[Altostrata]

4 hours ago, mustafa said:

These new symptots are very high at the period from 6pm and reach the peak at about 7:30_7:45pm.

 

What do you do regularly in the late afternoon and early evening prior to 6 p.m.?

[mustafa]

16 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

That’s what will keep your focus on staying calm and not letting your thoughts about the situation overwhelm you.

My dear hanna, 

Your support really gives me strength.

I think the most thing that gave me strength since I started the journey of being drug free, is support here on SA; I have to thank u because really support turns rage into calmness❤.

[mustafa]

16 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

What do you do regularly in the late afternoon and early evening prior to 6 p.m.?

I think nothing bad at all alto but I want to talk about those days before these new stimulations occur; I started to eat alot of fruits( which contain sugar) and I dont think my brain reacted in a way that warns me to stop but suddenly, I felt that iam responding too bad to sugar in fruits so I started to stop the fruits and my brain is rejecting sugars at all.

For the five days I mentioned and they were after I stopped all sugars:

1st: wake up at 10, had good foods, poor in sugar( almost sugar free) but I drank 2 cups of green tea which I thought they caused loss of good sleep at night so I decided to stop the next day and it went well and slept well too.

3rd day and from 3 until 6 pm, I was stuck to my computer which I thought to stimlulate the symptomts as well.

The next dyas I stopped doing everything I thought to stimulate the symptomts even a little but had only a cup of green tea😆 which I think I responded bad too.

The symptomts I complained in my previous post happened in all the five days but varying in intensity depending on the food and drinks I have.

I will try to stop any bad thing I thought to worsen me and see whats going to happen.

Sorry for the long text alto .

[Altostrata]

I doubt those symptoms are a result of fruit or tea. Perhaps you could get a little more gentle exercise in the morning and it would help? Too much computer isn't good.

[mustafa]

Hi @Altostrata, I hope u are fine.

Please I need to consult u with something, I have a small damage in my teeth and in addition the symptomts them selves are gingitives and make my teeth painful; my consult is do u think I should go for a dentist to cure my teeth! And shall this help reducing the pain I feel during waves?, or this may make the pain more and I can wait until the symptomts fade?

Thanks in advance alto for u ❤.

 

[Altostrata]

Sorry, we don't do dentistry here. Of course you should see a dentist.

 

Please do not tag me for general medicine or dentistry questions. Consult your doctor instead.