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Hi, i have find an article on meteoropathy. I was wondering if after withdrawal people with their instability could be more prone to meteoropathy. Have some of you that? How it manifest? thanks.

(i am french)

1998 prazépam, citalopram /1999 paroxetine prazepam /2000 paroxétine /2001venafaxine, alprazolam, clomipramine * 2002 (dont remember)/2003 clomipramine, alprazolam /2004 clomipramine /2005 alprazolam /2006(dont remember) * 2007citalopram, alprazolam, prazépam, venlafaxine /2008(dont remember) /2009 venlafaxine /2010 venlafaxine *All precedent withdrawal were very fast. I tried many times to stop but didn't know what happened. *2011 mirtazapine (22,5 mg) , norset , risperdal (cold turkey for risperdal and norset, analysis by doctor say that my body does not support and i was in danger) /2012 mirtazapine / 2013 mirtazapine  *october 2014 mirtazapine (15mg) - putting down slowly.   *when i was good for one month i  down 1ml. (1ml of 100ml of water in which there was 1 pill of 15mg of mirtazapine. At the end i remove 1ml of 50ml of water but with 0,5 pill it does the same concentration.) (i down more like "how i feel, because at the beginning i had a calendar tapping 10% every 15 days and i was really bad, so i decided to see one month and after if i was trust in my body, i remove 10% of the dose at the beginning; and at the end i remove 1ml (when the 10% was lower than 1ml). It was more how i feel. (it is just the last 1 ml that i remove rapidly because i think i was attached mentally and i need to break. and 1ml of 50ml of 15/2mg is just 1ml correspond to 0.15mg. ).  -juillet 2017 stop all. 

nov 2017 tetany and gastritis. I found "euphytose", "spasmine", "phyto-stress" from Govital(the more efficient if crisis because more concentrated)  efficient. If very bad i take valerian extract 1000mg (stop crisis). 

january 2022: I survive. Still having no hunger sensation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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All my life I've had issues with windy weather, both leading up to it, during and afterwards.  It makes me irritable.  I can remember times when I've experienced a headache during stormy weather.

 

Apparently many teachers have noticed that school children can become restless during certain types of weather, and I don't just mean them staying inside because it's raining.

 

I did a site search and found this comment by bubble:

 

On 10/22/2013 at 7:54 PM, bubble said:

But this morning I woke up at 5.30 feeling anxious (despite sleeping in complete dark), after an hour of tossing and turning I decided to take the morning dose of my meds earlier and was then able to fall asleep again for an hour.

 

Now my head feels foggy and I'm struggling with my focus and concentration badly. This kind of feeling always makes me check the biometheorological forecast: and it is bad for meteoropaths today. They focus on people with cardiovascular conditions and add a note on increased irritability in general while on one site it even says  Тhe most pronounced among meteoropathic reactions could be headache and increased anxiety.

 

weather is in general a very significant factor for me and I realised I was very sensitive to changes in atmospheric pressure. I never studied the mechanism as thoroughly as Alto does, but have now read that changes in the atmospheric pressure influence pituitary gland to produce ACTH which is a stress hormone that causes anxiety (that coudl explain why I had this reaction).

 

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I hate hot weather, feel awful. Where I live, 83F is commonly held to be the perfect temperature - not hot, just pleasantly warm; I agree. Up to 95 is okay; over 100 is just awful and when it gets to 110 I just want to sit in front of the aircon. Hot weather makes me anxious and miserable. Not sure I've noticed it with other types of weather, but that might be related to where I live.

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i feel bad if the air is hot and dried too, so when the weather is beautiful. and i feel better when it is cloudy.

(i am french)

1998 prazépam, citalopram /1999 paroxetine prazepam /2000 paroxétine /2001venafaxine, alprazolam, clomipramine * 2002 (dont remember)/2003 clomipramine, alprazolam /2004 clomipramine /2005 alprazolam /2006(dont remember) * 2007citalopram, alprazolam, prazépam, venlafaxine /2008(dont remember) /2009 venlafaxine /2010 venlafaxine *All precedent withdrawal were very fast. I tried many times to stop but didn't know what happened. *2011 mirtazapine (22,5 mg) , norset , risperdal (cold turkey for risperdal and norset, analysis by doctor say that my body does not support and i was in danger) /2012 mirtazapine / 2013 mirtazapine  *october 2014 mirtazapine (15mg) - putting down slowly.   *when i was good for one month i  down 1ml. (1ml of 100ml of water in which there was 1 pill of 15mg of mirtazapine. At the end i remove 1ml of 50ml of water but with 0,5 pill it does the same concentration.) (i down more like "how i feel, because at the beginning i had a calendar tapping 10% every 15 days and i was really bad, so i decided to see one month and after if i was trust in my body, i remove 10% of the dose at the beginning; and at the end i remove 1ml (when the 10% was lower than 1ml). It was more how i feel. (it is just the last 1 ml that i remove rapidly because i think i was attached mentally and i need to break. and 1ml of 50ml of 15/2mg is just 1ml correspond to 0.15mg. ).  -juillet 2017 stop all. 

nov 2017 tetany and gastritis. I found "euphytose", "spasmine", "phyto-stress" from Govital(the more efficient if crisis because more concentrated)  efficient. If very bad i take valerian extract 1000mg (stop crisis). 

january 2022: I survive. Still having no hunger sensation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anyone so sensitive to weather changes 2.5 years off?

 

It looks like I have narrowed down my triggers to drastic weather changes including humidity. The body appears to want to do the right thing, but it takes a while, and the bay area weather doesn't make it easy.

 

My  symptoms mainly occur during a change   -
1. Extremities and rest of the body at different temperatures
2. Warm to the touch but feeling cold, esp between my shoulder blades, and legs.
3. Gut motility goes haywire. High humidity/cold at night triggers burps, gas, multiple BMs, chills, mild hypertension (130/90), poor/no sleep.  Low humidity/dry heat in the afternoons cause reflux/heat, and hypotension (100/60) Lying down seems to get the gut moving. 
4. Stuffy sinuses/head pressure wax and wane. 
5. Pain in my hands and feet at night when cold, and muscle twitches and dry skin when hot.
6. Rapid thoughts, mood swings, anxiety, when gut isn't moving.
7. I have more trouble adapting indoors with the forced air, and I feel good outdoors.

The pattern appears to be pretty consistent and the transitions are a struggle (hot/cold, sleep/wake, exercise/rest)

I am following all of the usual protocols - hydration, salt, exercise to strengthen the core/help circulation. I also added a humidifier for the hot afternoons, but the nights are an issue, and the lack of motility during the day. Once the switch happens and the weather stays within the new range, the body seems to adapt.

 

I don't see any benefit to drugs given the variations. 

 

This looks like some sort of autonomic dysfunction..

 

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Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18

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I am on paxil 10mg and sweating always was the main reason why i give up and reinstate. I was like a lizard, i can be under 40c with 70% humid and still dry like a wood!

BTW. Where i live its 40c with 70% humid for almost 8 month :)

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2020-11..stop paxil again.
2020-12..hell broke loose again.
2021..diagnosed with bipolar and prescribe olanzapine 10mg and lamotrigine and back to paxil 20mg.
2021-2..quit olanzapine and lamotrigine and start tapring paxil. 10mg.
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2021-4..quit paxil..
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There is something to the weather affecting me.  We went from a high pressure system to a low pressure overnight in the midwestern USA, and I couldn't sleep last night, and am very tired and anxious and irritable today.  It's not the first time I've noticed weather affecting me. 

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other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

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@tsranga

I have exactly the same problem. My CNS seems to go into a chaos during the transition from mild weather in spring to the hot weather and high tempreture in summer and the final days of spring. I get elevated BP at nights usually 140/9.5 which is quite unlike my physiology. I get extremely cold feet which is really bothersome and poor sleep at nights. My stomach gets terribly unsetteled with a lot of bloating, nausea, indigestion ane burps. I hope things get settled, not quite used to such annoying symptoms.

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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On 5/17/2021 at 5:23 AM, Iman said:

@tsranga

I have exactly the same problem. My CNS seems to go into a chaos during the transition from mild weather in spring to the hot weather and high tempreture in summer and the final days of spring. I get elevated BP at nights usually 140/9.5 which is quite unlike my physiology. I get extremely cold feet which is really bothersome and poor sleep at nights. My stomach gets terribly unsetteled with a lot of bloating, nausea, indigestion ane burps. I hope things get settled, not quite used to such annoying symptoms.

This is exactly what happens to me..   over time, I find that it adapts a little better/faster..  

 

I would listen to what your body feels like, and if you are cold, cover up/increase body heat by exercising..  if you are hot, wear light cotton, cooling vests, towels, diaphragmatic breathing, and exercise to cool down naturally when it's not peak sun..   it can be very confusing, especially when different parts of your body are hot and cold at the same time. 

 

I was too anxious and panic often when this happens, and that made it worse.. constantly telling ourselves that this is not life threatening helps reduce the anxiety . 

 

Make sure you hydrate well and do some cardio and  strength training to keep your lower body strong - that helps with the blood circulation back to your upper body.

 

Apparently, weather hypersensitivity is a common condition.. especially so  in withdrawal.

 

Most importantly, take care of your gut health. I find that whenever the gut is busy is when I have most issues..  whether it is stuck gas, BMs etc.. if you can work on it,that helps the blood move out of the gut into the extremities.

 

 

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Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017)

Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18

Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19

Off Mirtazapine since 2/19.

Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed.

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I seem to be sensitive to weather.  Last night, we had electric storms rolling through most of the night, and I had insomnia, felt very alert and restless.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 '02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04

Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone nightly, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at breakfast, 3 PM 

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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On 5/17/2021 at 3:23 PM, Iman said:

@tsranga

I have exactly the same problem. My CNS seems to go into a chaos during the transition from mild weather in spring to the hot weather and high tempreture in summer and the final days of spring. I get elevated BP at nights usually 140/9.5 which is quite unlike my physiology. I get extremely cold feet which is really bothersome and poor sleep at nights. My stomach gets terribly unsetteled with a lot of bloating, nausea, indigestion ane burps. I hope things get settled, not quite used to such annoying symptoms.

In the same situation, the weather was hot and there was a severe wave
It started when I ate vanilla ice cream one night
I don't have food intolerances, I can usually eat it
One hour after eating one ice cream, flatulence, abdominal pain, diarrhea, very severe nausea and lasted for 2-3 days.
Feeling like food poisoning
But he hasn't eaten anything bad
Then there were panic and anxiety attacks, in addition to hot flushes
I sweat constantly and are very hot
At the same time we have the weather again unusually hot, 27-30 degrees
It is difficult for the Nordic people
It seems to me that it is harder to reduce the dose in the summer
I have been on the current dose for 38 days and thought that soon the time to reduce but now very bad again.

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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I seem to be experiencing the same thing. Been on Nortriptyline for 4 years 2.5 years of which have been devoted to tapering. In all the 3 summers I've been through during my taper journey, I've found it extremely difficult to cut down on my dose and whenever I've done so, the withdrawal symptoms have been more severe than the ones i experience in other seasons of the year. I highly recommend a pretty cautious reduction,if any, during the hot and sizzling days of summer.

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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@Estman

 

I seem to be experiencing the same thing. Been on Nortriptyline for 4 years 2.5 years of which have been devoted to tapering. In all the 3 summers I've been through during my taper journey, I've found it extremely difficult to cut down on my dose and whenever I've done so, the withdrawal symptoms have been more severe than the ones i experience in other seasons of the year. I highly recommend a pretty cautious reduction,if any, during the hot and sizzling days of summer.

 

Hi,

Is it Nortriptyline also a tricyclic drug?
Its detoxification is probably similar to Clomipramine?
I haven't had such a hard wave as I have now
For a few days there has been a great panic anxiety, a constant fight-escape reaction
There is a great feeling of irritation and anxiety and pressure in the head
In some places, blood pressure rises and then nausea and abdominal pain
Usually in the evening digestion as it stops
I have no food intolerances but 7 days ago when I ate one ice cream it started half an hour later very bad
Diarrhea and severe nausea were 2-3 days
The waves often start very unexpectedly for me
Within a couple of hours, the situation may change completely.
The weather is hot this year
For some reason, yes, summer is especially hard to cut and needs a long break
Usually I reduce every 35 days
Currently 40 days and a heavy wave.
I also can't reduce more than a maximum of 7% at a time
How much can you reduce at once?
Do you also reduce the summer heat?
What symptoms do you have more difficulty experiencing in the summer?

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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On 5/17/2021 at 3:23 PM, Iman said:

@tsranga

I have exactly the same problem. My CNS seems to go into a chaos during the transition from mild weather in spring to the hot weather and high tempreture in summer and the final days of spring. I get elevated BP at nights usually 140/9.5 which is quite unlike my physiology. I get extremely cold feet which is really bothersome and poor sleep at nights. My stomach gets terribly unsetteled with a lot of bloating, nausea, indigestion ane burps. I hope things get settled, not quite used to such annoying symptoms.

I don't know if it's the hot weather or the wave, but I also have problems with high blood pressure
Specifically, it seems very volatile
During anxiety attacks it is even 170/106, but a quarter of an hour later it is 140/90
Sometimes it also makes the head ache and then there is blurred vision
Unfortunately, it also does not tolerate blood pressure lowering drugs
The other day I took 40mg of Termisaltan (Micardis)
By the next day, the blood pressure was 123/80, but there was great weakness and fatigue, and the depression also got worse.
Sometimes I have taken 25mg of Metropolol (Betaloc) with a fast pulse but this day also has a bad effect
Betaloc helps me sometimes when there is a high blood pressure and heart rate headache
Today we had a heavy rain for the second day and at the same time it is very warm 27-30 degrees. It is very high humidity and at the same time hot.
When I woke up in the morning, I felt depressed and confused
I feel like I'm not myself
The head is somehow thick and dizzy, while there is impulsivity and anxiety and constant restlessness
Focus on work or something difficult.
Is confusion inherent in all drugs or mainly tricyclics?
The eyes are also very watery lately and red.

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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@Estman

 

Hi there. Nortriptyline is definitely one of the nastiest of all tricyclics. Clomipramine is also a TCA and fortunately enough for you not the scariest of the TCAs in terms of the severity of the WD symptoms. I,too, can't get higher than 5 to max 7 percent of cuts during each taper try and in summers as I said earlier I tend to be more cautious by having only 2 episodes of taper each 45 days. My most annoying symptoms during summer and heat wave are: insomnia mostly caused by hypnic jerks and electeric like sensations right at the moment of transition to sleep, sudden anxiety and depression which can occur all out of the blue, vision problems with my right eye seeing everything through a grey filter and in a very colorless shape, teary eyes and many outbursts of cry for no good reason and intrusive thoughts. Once the hot season is over, things will be much more tolerable and manageable I promise. One word of advice, try not to let the tempreture of the place where u keep ur medication rise above 25 degrees celcius, these medications tend to go bad and lose potency in high tempretures.

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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8 hours ago, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hi there. Nortriptyline is definitely one of the nastiest of all tricyclics. Clomipramine is also a TCA and fortunately enough for you not the scariest of the TCAs in terms of the severity of the WD symptoms. I,too, can't get higher than 5 to max 7 percent of cuts during each taper try and in summers as I said earlier I tend to be more cautious by having only 2 episodes of taper each 45 days. My most annoying symptoms during summer and heat wave are: insomnia mostly caused by hypnic jerks and electeric like sensations right at the moment of transition to sleep, sudden anxiety and depression which can occur all out of the blue, vision problems with my right eye seeing everything through a grey filter and in a very colorless shape, teary eyes and many outbursts of cry for no good reason and intrusive thoughts. Once the hot season is over, things will be much more tolerable and manageable I promise. One word of advice, try not to let the tempreture of the place where u keep ur medication rise above 25 degrees celcius, these medications tend to go bad and lose potency in high tempretures.

I once also took Amitriptyline and when I stopped taking it I got a lot of insomnia
I couldn't fall asleep and it completely exhausted me
There were great fears of insomnia and compulsions
I remember that, as you describe, there were shocks before going to bed
Suddenly I trembled through my body and woke up. Exactly the moment I started to fall asleep
With the current clomipramine, there are also sleep disorders, but fortunately there is no real insomnia
However, I wake up several times every night and for some time I fall asleep again.
Sleep is very lively, memorable and often disturbing
Especially during the waves, sleep is very bad
During bad waves like now, I have 3-4 days of severe anxiety with a constant fight-escape reaction, after which there is an alternation of anxiety attacks and depression attacks.
Then there is the despair of whether it will stabilize again at all
There is also an inability to rejoice as usual
Even the willpower cannot do it
I didn't know that these drugs spoil like this in the heat
I have stockpiled a larger amount of medication at home so that the medication can continue until the end of weaning
I've also had powders inside the paper in the pharmacy
I didn't know that light and heat above 25 degrees could ruin them
If you knew the actual potency of the medicine you are currently taking, you could go to a lower dose
Currently, I dream that it will somehow stabilize again. Unfortunately, it is very hot, already in the morning at 28 degrees and it makes it harder.
I got the last reduction made 40 days ago

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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11 hours ago, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hi there. Nortriptyline is definitely one of the nastiest of all tricyclics. Clomipramine is also a TCA and fortunately enough for you not the scariest of the TCAs in terms of the severity of the WD symptoms. I,too, can't get higher than 5 to max 7 percent of cuts during each taper try and in summers as I said earlier I tend to be more cautious by having only 2 episodes of taper each 45 days. My most annoying symptoms during summer and heat wave are: insomnia mostly caused by hypnic jerks and electeric like sensations right at the moment of transition to sleep, sudden anxiety and depression which can occur all out of the blue, vision problems with my right eye seeing everything through a grey filter and in a very colorless shape, teary eyes and many outbursts of cry for no good reason and intrusive thoughts. Once the hot season is over, things will be much more tolerable and manageable I promise. One word of advice, try not to let the tempreture of the place where u keep ur medication rise above 25 degrees celcius, these medications tend to go bad and lose potency in high tempretures.

I am currently taking a dose of powder made in a pharmacy on 13.05.21
It is rolled into paper and in turn in a paper bag
Every morning I just shake it in my mouth and drank water
In the evening I have taken full tablets (lower dose is 10mg)
The powdered dose is 5 mg.
Could it be aged or weakened by 2 months in contact with air?
The weather is also warm and the room at least 25 degrees
How do you know its true strength?

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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On 5/17/2021 at 3:23 PM, Iman said:

@tsranga

I have exactly the same problem. My CNS seems to go into a chaos during the transition from mild weather in spring to the hot weather and high tempreture in summer and the final days of spring. I get elevated BP at nights usually 140/9.5 which is quite unlike my physiology. I get extremely cold feet which is really bothersome and poor sleep at nights. My stomach gets terribly unsetteled with a lot of bloating, nausea, indigestion ane burps. I hope things get settled, not quite used to such annoying symptoms.

I don't know if it's in warm weather, but I have the same thing
I don't have lactose or gluten intolerance otherwise
Otherwise I have been able to eat dairy products and also whole grains
But now there is something wrong
The first half of yesterday was a little better, I thought the wave was going to pass
I ate fresh raspberries, in the morning and in the afternoon I ate light cornflakes with milk
A little later, it started to get bad again.
As if digestion had stopped, there was a very disturbing nausea and general malaise
It has persisted so far, now the nausea has eased but there is strong earing and weakness
Unintelligible symptoms, I have now been on the same dose for 42 days
As for histamine sensitivity as well, I don't know what
I have no other illnesses and are not taking other medications
These tricyclic drugs are still complete nonsense

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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I exactly share the same problems. My digestive system used to be quite fine with taking dairy products like milk and yogurt but now it has take a turn for the worse. Again, heat wave has a role to play here i believe. The trick is in taking small amounts of dairy products in each serving. The amount we take with obviously no digestive problem in cooler seasons of the year seems to be heavy on our system in summer for whatever reason. As for the strength and potency of the pills in hot tempretures, all you need to do is to keep your medication in a cool and dark place away from light especially sunlight. Limited and brief exposure to light and high tempreture is not likely to harm your pills, just make sure to keep them away from these conditions much as u can.

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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18 hours ago, Iman said:

@Estman

 

I exactly share the same problems. My digestive system used to be quite fine with taking dairy products like milk and yogurt but now it has take a turn for the worse. Again, heat wave has a role to play here i believe. The trick is in taking small amounts of dairy products in each serving. The amount we take with obviously no digestive problem in cooler seasons of the year seems to be heavy on our system in summer for whatever reason. As for the strength and potency of the pills in hot tempretures, all you need to do is to keep your medication in a cool and dark place away from light especially sunlight. Limited and brief exposure to light and high tempreture is not likely to harm your pills, just make sure to keep them away from these conditions much as u can.

Hi Iman,

I also have to give up most dairy products now
In the meantime, there were digestive problems and nausea for 2 days
Today it is a little better in this respect, there has been no direct nausea
Unable to fall asleep yesterday, there was insomnia
It causes me stress and fears that I may not fall asleep
Then there is also a faster heart rate and higher blood pressure.
I took half a tablet at night in the metropolis (Betaloc)
Sometimes calming the pulse helps you fall asleep
In the end, however, I slept for a while
Unfortunately, there is a lot of fatigue today, it seems to me that blood pressure medications also cause this.
What do you do when your fever or anxiety makes your blood pressure or heart rate too high?
The wave is probably starting to weaken a bit, it has lasted 12 days
If you reduce your dose, how long will the wave or symptoms last?
If you reach lower doses, have the waves been longer or shorter?

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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Hey there Estman. Glad to hear your wave is gradually coming to an end. Good news is as you get down to lower doses, the waves become shorter and way more tolerable. Fast heart rate and elevated blood pressure are symptoms of withdrawal. I've always benefited from the betablocker Propranolol for controling my racing hear rate and lowering my bp. 10mg after breakfast and another 10mg 7ish pm everyday. I believe they act as brake for controlling most of outrageous wave symptoms and I don't intend to taper it until i'm done with the God-damned Nortriptyline mainly because it has almost zero side effects for me. When high bp comes in, I tend to put my usually cold feet in a tub filled with almost hot water and let them stay there for a few minutes. This trick lowers my bp back to normal levels. Also, magnesium before sleep helps control blood pressure and provides you with a good measure of relief. Never quit deep breathing through your nose and letting it out of your mouth when symptoms are severe. Deep breathing has got to become your second nature through practice and habitualization. Take care and trust that you're on the right track and will be fine soon. 👍💪👏

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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8 hours ago, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hey there Estman. Glad to hear your wave is gradually coming to an end. Good news is as you get down to lower doses, the waves become shorter and way more tolerable. Fast heart rate and elevated blood pressure are symptoms of withdrawal. I've always benefited from the betablocker Propranolol for controling my racing hear rate and lowering my bp. 10mg after breakfast and another 10mg 7ish pm everyday. I believe they act as brake for controlling most of outrageous wave symptoms and I don't intend to taper it until i'm done with the God-damned Nortriptyline mainly because it has almost zero side effects for me. When high bp comes in, I tend to put my usually cold feet in a tub filled with almost hot water and let them stay there for a few minutes. This trick lowers my bp back to normal levels. Also, magnesium before sleep helps control blood pressure and provides you with a good measure of relief. Never quit deep breathing through your nose and letting it out of your mouth when symptoms are severe. Deep breathing has got to become your second nature through practice and habitualization. Take care and trust that you're on the right track and will be fine soon. 👍💪👏

Thanks Iman!
The moment is better, the wave is not direct
However, the wave lasted 13-14 days.

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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On 7/15/2021 at 12:31 AM, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hey there Estman. Glad to hear your wave is gradually coming to an end. Good news is as you get down to lower doses, the waves become shorter and way more tolerable. Fast heart rate and elevated blood pressure are symptoms of withdrawal. I've always benefited from the betablocker Propranolol for controling my racing hear rate and lowering my bp. 10mg after breakfast and another 10mg 7ish pm everyday. I believe they act as brake for controlling most of outrageous wave symptoms and I don't intend to taper it until i'm done with the God-damned Nortriptyline mainly because it has almost zero side effects for me. When high bp comes in, I tend to put my usually cold feet in a tub filled with almost hot water and let them stay there for a few minutes. This trick lowers my bp back to normal levels. Also, magnesium before sleep helps control blood pressure and provides you with a good measure of relief. Never quit deep breathing through your nose and letting it out of your mouth when symptoms are severe. Deep breathing has got to become your second nature through practice and habitualization. Take care and trust that you're on the right track and will be fine soon. 👍💪👏

Hi Iman,

I was better in 5-6 days in the meantime
But now 2-3 days have been like a wave again
The weather is a little cooler at the moment, we have 25 degrees
Sleep is again confusing and there is unfounded anxiety and fear
The daily dose has not been changed, it has been the same for the last 52 days.
Is it normal to have 2-3 waves even though I'm still on the same dose?
I have been eating more foods containing histamine in recent days
Today I ate cheese pizzal and now later there is a fast pulse and headache
Have you noticed an increase or intolerance to histamine?
The symptoms are: rapid pulse, anxiety, redness-inflammation of the eyes, headache, sometimes diarrhea
How do I know what my normal histamine level is?
For some reason, there is also a lot of adrenaline, it starts to feel bad (for example, at the doctor's)

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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Hi there

 

Actually the fact that you had a few good days means your brain knows the way out of this and merely needs time to adjust to the changes made at its own marvelous rate. I believe after a long hold once you see a few good days, it'd be time for another taper preferably a tiny one, I'd go for a less than 10 percent even as little as five, enough to test the waters and see how it pans out. Sometimes, staying longer than usual on a dose might magnify the drug's side effects and I guess for your case it might the side effects of the drug itself rather than WD. BTW, what dose are you at now? As for histamine tolerance, all I know about my own case is that I began to feel better and have much fewer stomach issues once I bade farewell to dairy products. I've no idea If there's any test of histamine level measurement. Concerning adrenaline, all of us are in the same boat, it begins to alarm in the most inapropriate of times I know 😆 I usually take a tiny bar of dark chocolate in my mouth and let it get absorbed gradually through my saliva or get to chew a mint gum when I know I'm about to face a relatively stressful situation and it usually gets the job done. I'm now dealing with a God- awful wave with plenty of hypnic jerks and electric shock sensations right at the moment of transition from wakefullness to sleep leaving me with very few of hours of sleep but I'm just dealing with patience and acceptance awaiting the end of yet another wave in my journey. Wish you the best. Believe me, we're all together and connected, we WILL make it I trust. 👍🌹🙏 take care.

 

-2015 september zoloft (20 mg updosed to 125) plus clonazepam for anxiety and panic attacks

2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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On 7/22/2021 at 8:12 PM, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hi there

 

Actually the fact that you had a few good days means your brain knows the way out of this and merely needs time to adjust to the changes made at its own marvelous rate. I believe after a long hold once you see a few good days, it'd be time for another taper preferably a tiny one, I'd go for a less than 10 percent even as little as five, enough to test the waters and see how it pans out. Sometimes, staying longer than usual on a dose might magnify the drug's side effects and I guess for your case it might the side effects of the drug itself rather than WD. BTW, what dose are you at now? As for histamine tolerance, all I know about my own case is that I began to feel better and have much fewer stomach issues once I bade farewell to dairy products. I've no idea If there's any test of histamine level measurement. Concerning adrenaline, all of us are in the same boat, it begins to alarm in the most inapropriate of times I know 😆 I usually take a tiny bar of dark chocolate in my mouth and let it get absorbed gradually through my saliva or get to chew a mint gum when I know I'm about to face a relatively stressful situation and it usually gets the job done. I'm now dealing with a God- awful wave with plenty of hypnic jerks and electric shock sensations right at the moment of transition from wakefullness to sleep leaving me with very few of hours of sleep but I'm just dealing with patience and acceptance awaiting the end of yet another wave in my journey. Wish you the best. Believe me, we're all together and connected, we WILL make it I trust. 👍🌹🙏 take care.

 

Hi Iman,
Yes, the support of this community is very important
As you say, we are all in the same process
I made a 7% reduction yesterday, it seemed like it was going
I have also noticed that for some reason during the waves, taking your regular dose makes symptoms worse
For example, anxiety or nausea are often worse after taking the drug.
It does not always seem possible to distinguish between dose reduction or side effects
In the meantime, the weather was more tolerable, it was 22-23 degrees now in the coming days again 30-32 degrees
Waves do not always appear to occur during drug reduction and occur more frequently later than at the same dose
Recently, there has been a rapid pulse and bloating at night
How often do you reduce the dose in the summer?

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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Hey there Estman

 

I'm sorry to hear that you're experiencing symptoms. For my case, bloating, nausea and rapid heart beats are usually typical symptoms of WD and begin to appear in about a week or two after I make a dose cut. They seem to be more intense and harsh during hot days of the year. The distinguishing factor between side effects and WD symptoms I believe is in finding out whether you have these symptoms during periods of stablization AKA windows so if a symptom has been constant and non-stop since the beginning of taking a certain drug and only seems to vary in intensity during windows and waves, then it is definitely a side effect of the drug rather than a WD symptom. On the other hand, if a symptom begins to creep up and is merely present during waves and tends to disappear and fade away once in windows, then it is definitely a WD symptom. I tend to be more cautious in my summer reductions and make sure not to exceed 6 or 7% reductions but still do stick to the regular monthly cut but as I said half the usual dosage cut I do in other seasons of the year. One thing I find useful is to notice how I do and feel during periods of stablization and detect WD symptoms during waves so that when they occur I keep reading the notes of how well I feel and do during stablization periods and merely treat my symptoms as a few temporary irregularities resulting from my brains adjustment to new changes which are soon to leave. Always repeat with urself that u are NOT your WD symptoms no matter how harsh they are. You're a lovely normal being, you want proof? Record urself on a camera on days in windows. This ur true self you will soon get ur hands on once the poison is out of you for good. Take good care of urself and trust me u'll be fine soon.🌹🌹💪💪👍👍

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2016 Jan replaced clonazepam with chlorodiazpoxide 20 mg

-2016 April cold turkeyed both after a urinary retention surgery with no withdrawal symptom at all

-2018 Jan perscribed Nortriptyline 10 mg for vestibular vertigo 

-2018 Feb due to the horrible side effects which my psychiatrist took for depression and anxiety, Nortriptyline began to be updosed to reach 100 in June

-2018 Oct noticed I wasexperiencing no pleasure in life and decided to taper(zombie-style kind of life)Tapered to fast to reach 50 mg in 2019 Feb

-Terrible withdrawal symtoms began to creep up, had to updose to 75 in June 2019

-Began to make changes in diet and lifestyle and tapered again to reach 30 by 2020 Jan

-(using Brassmonkey method from here on)By May 2020 reached 22.5 when my whole taper process hit the wall due to infection to God-damned Covid 19. Late Sep 2020 restarted my taper 16 mg in Jan 2021, Jan 2021 to Feb down from 16mg to 14.5mg,Feb to March 13mg,March to July had to hold on 13mg due to being sold counterfeit drugs, took me a while to find out and get a new batch and get back on track again,July to August 11.5 mg,August to Sep 10.5 mg,Sep to Oct 9.5 mg

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On 7/24/2021 at 10:13 PM, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hey there Estman

 

I'm sorry to hear that you're experiencing symptoms. For my case, bloating, nausea and rapid heart beats are usually typical symptoms of WD and begin to appear in about a week or two after I make a dose cut. They seem to be more intense and harsh during hot days of the year. The distinguishing factor between side effects and WD symptoms I believe is in finding out whether you have these symptoms during periods of stablization AKA windows so if a symptom has been constant and non-stop since the beginning of taking a certain drug and only seems to vary in intensity during windows and waves, then it is definitely a side effect of the drug rather than a WD symptom. On the other hand, if a symptom begins to creep up and is merely present during waves and tends to disappear and fade away once in windows, then it is definitely a WD symptom. I tend to be more cautious in my summer reductions and make sure not to exceed 6 or 7% reductions but still do stick to the regular monthly cut but as I said half the usual dosage cut I do in other seasons of the year. One thing I find useful is to notice how I do and feel during periods of stablization and detect WD symptoms during waves so that when they occur I keep reading the notes of how well I feel and do during stablization periods and merely treat my symptoms as a few temporary irregularities resulting from my brains adjustment to new changes which are soon to leave. Always repeat with urself that u are NOT your WD symptoms no matter how harsh they are. You're a lovely normal being, you want proof? Record urself on a camera on days in windows. This ur true self you will soon get ur hands on once the poison is out of you for good. Take good care of urself and trust me u'll be fine soon.🌹🌹💪💪👍👍

Hei Iman,

The weather is somewhat cooler and I decided 5 days ago to reduce by 7%
In summer, my nervous system is particularly sensitive
Already on the second day, the first symptoms appeared, disgusting gases appeared in the stomach
Yesterday, on the fourth day, there was pressure in the head, a fast pulse even at rest
Last night I had very bad dreams
Dreams are confused, intermittent and distressing
Today in my head a nasty anxiety-restlessness
The head is dizzy and as if blocked
Blood pressure is 139/100 pulse 93
It is the lower blood pressure that is high
Does a fast blood pressure pulse cause this blocked feeling in the head?
Today there are also changes in the weather, there seems to be thunder and rain
On how many days do your symptoms come after reduction? 
 

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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Yes, I still am. It’s NOWHERE as bad as it used to be. For me, it’s the body pain that still reacts to the weather at 7 years off, but the other old WD problems do not come back. Occasionally, I’ll get brain fog with a weather change. The body pain with weather changes absolutely floors me, though. Like I will literally need to lay on the floor or in bed. 

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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On 8/5/2021 at 5:52 AM, WiggleIt said:

Yes, I still am. It’s NOWHERE as bad as it used to be. For me, it’s the body pain that still reacts to the weather at 7 years off, but the other old WD problems do not come back. Occasionally, I’ll get brain fog with a weather change. The body pain with weather changes absolutely floors me, though. Like I will literally need to lay on the floor or in bed. 

Wow!! Still dealing with it 7 years later.. that's incredible..  Were you sensitive to weather before you went on meds?   I have been noticing of late that I am more tolerant of weather changes, but it still affects my gut-brain-extremities..   Usually gut either stops moving or becomes overactive (not with diarrhea or constipation, but more like stuck gas or frequent BMs, excessive burping), which then translates to stuffy sinuses, head pressure, feet/leg paresthesia, feeling hot in upper body and  cold in extremities, and pain/numbness mainly in hands and feet. Sometimes it's accompanied by irritation/anger/agitation/anxiety/fear. Most of it happens when resting/lying down,  and I mainly feel lightheaded/brain fog if I am on my feet too long.

 

How is your sleep? falling asleep and waking up are typically the most challenging times of the night.. 

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Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017)

Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18

Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19

Off Mirtazapine since 2/19.

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On 7/24/2021 at 10:13 PM, Iman said:

@Estman

 

Hey there Estman

 

I'm sorry to hear that you're experiencing symptoms. For my case, bloating, nausea and rapid heart beats are usually typical symptoms of WD and begin to appear in about a week or two after I make a dose cut. They seem to be more intense and harsh during hot days of the year. The distinguishing factor between side effects and WD symptoms I believe is in finding out whether you have these symptoms during periods of stablization AKA windows so if a symptom has been constant and non-stop since the beginning of taking a certain drug and only seems to vary in intensity during windows and waves, then it is definitely a side effect of the drug rather than a WD symptom. On the other hand, if a symptom begins to creep up and is merely present during waves and tends to disappear and fade away once in windows, then it is definitely a WD symptom. I tend to be more cautious in my summer reductions and make sure not to exceed 6 or 7% reductions but still do stick to the regular monthly cut but as I said half the usual dosage cut I do in other seasons of the year. One thing I find useful is to notice how I do and feel during periods of stablization and detect WD symptoms during waves so that when they occur I keep reading the notes of how well I feel and do during stablization periods and merely treat my symptoms as a few temporary irregularities resulting from my brains adjustment to new changes which are soon to leave. Always repeat with urself that u are NOT your WD symptoms no matter how harsh they are. You're a lovely normal being, you want proof? Record urself on a camera on days in windows. This ur true self you will soon get ur hands on once the poison is out of you for good. Take good care of urself and trust me u'll be fine soon.🌹🌹💪💪👍👍

Hello Iman,
We had a good storm here a week ago
A low pressure quickly formed and it started to rain, but there was also a solar storm, also a strong wind.
Immediately I felt very bad, my head began to squeeze, restlessness.
In the meantime, the weather improved and there were more or less normal weather, I felt more or less.
A few days ago, on the 23rd day of the last cut, restless legs started when I went to sleep
Yesterday, a very heavy wave, high blood pressure and a fast pulse suddenly began
I took one blood pressure pill (Micardis) last morning, I felt even worse in the evening, I took another pulse lowering medicine (Betaloc)
Yesterday is a great panic anxiety with nausea and feeling very unwell.
Couldn't fall asleep all night, constant panic anxiety
Towards morning I took a little diazepam in a big trouble to fall asleep
It doesn't seem to help either, it just made me dizzy and didn't take away my fear
So I'm in a heavy wave, the last cut was 8.5%, too hard 

Can medicines for high blood pressure make nausea and other symptoms worse?

 

 

Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2019  a Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-25.04.2018  tapering for 2-3 months,severe symptoms 1 week after the last dose

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19 ,tapering in 2-3 months, insomnia, panic-anxiety, confusion, nausea

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19, did not stabilize the situation, Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ,did not stabilize the situation,  fears, confusion and insomnia, I was in the hospital for 1 week 

Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19,to relieve insomnia, confusion increases, depression increases, severe akathisia occurs

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19,no longer works, the situation does not stabilize, again in the hospital for 2 weeks

Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19  helped sleep but increased confusion and depression

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19   dose 75mg

  15.12.19-  tapering     every 3-4 weeks    17.05.20  was the dose  35mg , 01.01.21  was the dose 27mg     

                 

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Glad I found this thread instead of starting a new one (I already have another thread going which I guess could be combined with this one.

 

In the last 3 years of withdrawal, I have identified drastic changes in heat/cold/humidity/pressure are the cause of most of my flares.

 

Some observations -

 

1. A stable indoor temperature and humidity seem to have very little impact, and it is tied to the outdoors. Also, I feel that I adapt better when I am outdoors and moving than when I am indoors and resting.

 

2. The organs that are most affected are the gut, and the extremities (legs below the knee, hands from the elbows and head from the neck up). 

 

3. The gut acts like a traffic director and I can experience that when lying down. When I lie down, I can feel the gut relax and move, and it moves, I can feel my legs and feet relax and my sinuses open up. When the gut is stuck, my sinuses get blocked, and my feet go cold, dry and my toes easily cramp. 

 

4. My temperature sensitivity and regulation goes  awry when the gut is stuck - I feel heat and cold in different parts of the body, can feel them well after I have been exposed to heat or cold.  I have to rapidly switch clothes, dress up or down to adapt otherwise I overheat or freeze.

 

5. I have to ensure that I frequently lie down for 20-30 min especially after food, or if I have been on my feet for a while to get the gut moving. Otherwise, my symptoms can flare up when I do rest/goto bed.

 

6. Burping, gas, BMs, and reflux seem to a transition symptom when the body is switching between rest/activity, PNS/SNS, sleep/wake, supine/standing, hot/cold.

 

7. Another curious observation is that my symptoms are mostly on the left side - left toe cramps, left calf spasms, shin burning, left abdomen stuck/pain, left sinus blocked etc.

 

I find that almost all of us seem to react to weather changes, but in withdrawal, the body seems to be having a harder time adapting to the change..

 

Each type of weather change has its own symptoms -

 

1. Sharp dips in temperature (5-10 deg or more) trigger multiple BMs, burping and gas and occur mostly in later part of the night (12-5).

 

2. Sharp spikes in temperature trigger overheating, reflux, and tactile hypersensitivity, and usually occur in the early part of the night (11-3am). 

 

In addition to these I can get sinus / head pressure, ear popping, leg paresthesia, cold feet, calf muscle pain/twitches, toe cramps, burning in shins etc.

 

3. On a day when there is both a dip and a spike, it is total chaos, and I can't sleep.

 

It takes a day or two to adjust to large weather shifts. 

 

My big question is -

 

Is this still  withdrawal or some form of autonomic dysfunction (induced by withdrawal) that is causing gastroperisis like symptoms, which  affects overall circulation through faulty vasodilation/vasoconstriction in the extremities?

 

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Chronic IBS since 1990

Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017)

Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18

Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19

Off Mirtazapine since 2/19.

Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed.

On Ayurvedic herbs for GI issues - Guduchi since Jul 2020, Indukantham since Oct 2020

On Ashwagandha 1g since Nov 2020

 

 

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Glad I found this thread instead of starting a new one (I already have another thread going which I guess could be combined with this one.

 

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