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sunnysideup69

Thank you @Erell, this is a wonderful post. I have that book by Baylissa and often turn to Bloom in Wellness, the website...and also the youtube channel. There are some free meditations on her channel, you've probably seen them. 

 

I too experience a deep loneliness at times. I have a very close friend who really hurt me because when I spoke about withdrawal, she was asking things like 'When will it be over?' There was a kind of impatience to her voice. And I could sense that she thought that I just needed more drug, or a different drug, or therapy. Even with my therapist, I'm having to educate her about antidepressant withdrawal. It can become exhausting.

 

How are things with your family, I'm wondering. Are you getting to see them?

 

Also, if you ever want a real time Zoom or Whatsapp video chat one day, say the word and we could do it :) 

 

 

 

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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That's very nice of you, but I have to confess...I have a terrible English accent 😅  It's easier for me to write rather than speak : while writing, I have all the time I need to think, find a tra

Just a little gift from Brittany to thank you for your support ❤️  

During WD and recovery, we all reach a point where we've just had enough.  We can't take one more day of anxiety or fear or aches or sleeplessness.  I had many days like that. But each moment offers a

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@Erell I know how you feel. It is a lonely road that we are on, but I want you to know that I am with you, though I can only be in spirit. 
You have come along way, and sometimes we forget just how far we have reached. Know this, you are doing this for you and nobody else. In the end we will come out of this much stronger as human beings, and though it does not seem right now, it will be worth it. Those how know what suffering really is, are the ones who will appreciate life so much more.

Sending you strength and good vibes from Iceland 💖

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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1 hour ago, Erell said:

But I found a post that gave me some comfort, and as I know many of us struggle with this loneliness, I wanted to share it with you

 

Merci @Erell pour vos mots et courage inspirant! Thank you so much for sharing your journey. I am an American living in France, having moved here in November 2019, and then stupidly CTing off Lexapro in December. I am also struggling with loneliness. I had just started to make some friends and join some local groups - running, cycling and community associations - when I crashed in February. Since then things have been so unpredictable that I am afraid to schedule any thing. But fortunately, I have found a good therapist here and this community. And I know things are slowly improving. I am sending you hope and friendship. Bisous, Cigale

2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT without issues
Feb 2 - July 24, 2019 - restarted Lexapro 5 mg for insomnia

July 25 - Nov 19, 2019 - Lexapro 10 mg, resulted in increased anxiety and depression
Nov 20 - Dec 11, 2019 - 3-week FT from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 - Feb 4, 2020 - drug-free and feeling good until horrible WD hit
Feb 5 - Feb 16, 2020 - Paxil 10 mg, adverse reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - reinstated Lexapro 5 mg

Nov 22 - Dec 12, 2020 - transition from pill to homemade liquid

Dec 13, 2020 - 4.7 mg; Jan 3, 2021 - 4.5 mg; Jan 24 - 4.3 mg; Feb 14 - 4.2 mg; March 7 - 4.1 mg

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; CBT & ACT therapy

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3 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

How are things with your family, I'm wondering. Are you getting to see them?

 

Also, if you ever want a real time Zoom or Whatsapp video chat one day, say the word and we could do it :) 

 

That's very nice of you, but I have to confess...I have a terrible English accent 😅 

It's easier for me to write rather than speak : while writing, I have all the time I need to think, find a translation, correct my English grammar,... 😉

Or we could train you to French  😇

 

Things are going ok with family : I don't try to convince them about WD anymore, and I manage to see them sometimes. 

 

As Hannah said, it is a lonely road. I know it, but sometimes we need comfort from those who has been there before us, that's why SA is so valuable ! 

When I need some support, I always find a relevant text into the topics ! ❤

 

@Cigale : how nice it is to read some French here 🤗

Gonna take time to meet you tomorrow !

As you said,  things are slowly improving! They really are.

 

Fun fact about English, SA, WD...:

the English word "eventually" looks like French word "éventuellement ".

But French word "éventuellement" means "maybe".

When I came to SA, I spent weeks translating "eventually " with "maybe".

So, a sentence like "symptoms will fade eventually" became "symptoms will fade...maybe!" !

Can't tell you how happy I was when I finally understood the true meaning of the word "eventually" 😅

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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sunnysideup69

@Erell, I think you do amazingly! I wish my French was even half as good as your English. But I get you, no worries, I can see how it's easier to write :)

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hi @Erell

Ça me ferait très plaisir de te parler sur Zoom un jour, en français! Je n’ai jamais parlé de sevrage à personne en français, je n’ai que le vocabulaire appris ici sur SA, en anglais. Ça serait bizarre...

 

It’s funny to see how our French Vocabulary here in Quebec is influenced by the fact we are a little French speaking nation Surrounded by an English speaking world. Here the word

« Éventuellement » really means eventually! We use it the same way. For me « maybe » means

« peut-être »

 

About being lonely on this recovery road, it’s so true. I have decided months ago to not talk about WD to my friends and family, because they just can’t understand. Even my boyfriend doesn’t understand. I talk a little bit about it to my therapist, but she doesn’t agree a lot with what I say to her. Sometimes, I would like to talk about it to someone in real life, but I can’t. Of course there is this forum, but it is not the same thing as talking with someone. 
 

I’ve just read the biography of Baylissa Frédérick  (with hope in my heart) and it gave me a lot of hope! I truly recommend it.

2008-2019: various ADs at various doses, initially for anxiety related insomnia.

2015: C/T Paxil - GP switch me to Mirtazapine and Pristiq. 2018: Switched Pristiq to Venlafaxine (For tapering)

2019-01: Stopped Venlafaxine after a 10 months taper. Updosed Mirtazapine to 45mg.

Summer 2019: Fast taper of Mirtazapine. Sept 2019, down to 30mg, hit bad W/D symptoms, so updosed to 45mg.

Tried escitalopram 10mg, C/T after 4 weeks. Tried Buspar, C/T after 5 days.

Jan 2020: Second mirtazapine weaning attempt, but end of january, big wave of symptoms, back to 45mg Mirtazapine.

Feb 2020: 50mg quetiapineXR, CT after 1 week. 21 Feb 2020, found SA and staying on 45mg Mirtazapine, waiting for stabilization.

Quetiapine 25mg  PRN since may 2019, March 2020 stopped.

Mirtazapine taper, from 45mg:  2020-10-21 43.88mg, 10-28 42.75mg, 11-04 41.63mg, 11-11 40.5mg, 11-24 41.6mg, 12-03 42.20mg, updose 2021–01-15 to 42,7 and holding.

Ativan prn since jan 2021. Became accidentally dep. March 2021.
2021-03-21 Ativan 0,29mg / 2021-03-28 0.28mg/ 2021-04-08 0.27mg/ 2021-04-26 0.25mg

Supplements: Magnesium Glycinate, Omega-3, D vit, Probiotic.

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Hi Erell,

 

Thanks for your note on my thread.  Are you feeling better?  I hope so.  This is a very difficult road.  I’m sorry to hear that you are struggling with the same issue that I am.
 

I spent a Summer in France by myself.  I still dream in French every so often.  In my dreams, I am fluent, of course.  I can’t remember much French when I’m awake, and the Spanish words come to mind instead when I try to think in French. 
 

I went to Arcachon first, and I saw Cap Ferret and Bordeaux.  Then, I lived in Nice for a month.  The little glacier where I had lunch every day is gone now.  It was on Promenade des Ánglais.  I would walk around and get lost in Nice for entire days.  I discovered many places that I would not have seen otherwise.  From Nice, I took a few trips.  I visited Cannes, and I went over to Monaco for a day.
 

I wandered around after I left Nice.  I went to Saint-Laurent sur Mer, Bayeux and Caen.  While staying in Chinon, I went to Azay-le-Rideau.  Then, I spent Bastille Day in Tours.  I saw Chenonceaux, Chambord, and a few other areas in the Loire Valley.  I also went to Orleans.  I stayed in París in Saint-Germain-des-Pres for a while.
 

I will always cherish my time in France  (except when my brain goes into a dark place, and I see all the negatives.).  I hope that someday I can go back.


Hang in there.  The waves do pass.  Sometimes they wear us down much too far, I know.

 

Rosetta

 

 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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As some folks ask me about my Prozac bridge, thought I could write an update : 

 

Two weeks ago, I dropped from 0.1mg to 0.06mg Paroxetine. Since two weeks I'm full of symptoms : strong brain fog, some cortisol rushes are back, strong anxiety, feeling electrical, dizziness, body aches, exhaustion, strong DR, doom thinking, some SI,.... with no relief.

Strange to think that two weeks ago I had moments while I felt  "normal" ! ;)

 

I'm trying to apply somehow the "Endgame taper" advices to my bridge. Not sure if I'm doing well as I don't understand everything (English understanding + strong brain fog and DR).

Not sure how it can be adapted to a Prozac bridge.

 

I'm gonna wait a couple weeks and see how it goes. Then I'll drop to 0.03mg and see how it goes. (33%, 50%...100% ?)

 

Not really able to participate on SA these days : I focus all my efforts on trying to be able to work ;)

 

 

Someone asked me if I could do an assessment of my Prozac bridge : I think it is still too early to make a definitive assessment of my Paxil to Prozac bridge.

 

Do I regret it because of intense symptoms ? No way ! 

I wasn't doing a fast Paroxetine taper before coming to SA, and even with 3% drops it has always been very hard to taper Paroxetine. So we can assume that maybe I wouldn't have been able to get off Paroxetine without a switch.

I try to focus on my bigger goal : being drugfree. 

 

But my experience may show that a Prozac bridge may have to be done slower than expected, and that even with Fluoxetine added Paroxetine can still be a stubborn and hard to get off.

It is possible that I've been too confident about a "symptom-free bridge" : before bridging, I read many testimonies on French forums, people bridging in two to four weeks without having symptoms !

To be honest, it sometimes feels very unfair to have intense symptoms.

On another hand, since 15 years my CNS function with Paroxetine, so it sounds pretty logical that gettinf off doesn't go smoothly.

 

 I'm really struggling at the moment, and sometimes loose faith on being able to get off Paroxetine and stabilising on Fluoxetine.

But I also know that time does heal everything ❤️;)

 

Take care everyone ❤️

 

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Salut Erell,

 

Courage et force. 🤝

 

Bisous. ❤️

 

Vega

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Dear Erell 

I wanted to drop by and tell you that it will get better. I know how frustrating and hard this journey can be. You are stronger then Paxil. Being a Paxil user myself for 20 years, it is with out a doubt doable to get off it and heal. Don’t ever loose faith, it can play a big role in recovery. 
You will heal and have your dream of drug free life🙏
My thoughts are with you

One day, sometimes one moment at a time and you will be free💖

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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Longroadhome
3 hours ago, Erell said:

As some folks ask me about my Prozac bridge, thought I could write an update : 

 

Two weeks ago, I dropped from 0.1mg to 0.06mg Paroxetine. Since two weeks I'm full of symptoms : strong brain fog, some cortisol rushes are back, strong anxiety, feeling electrical, dizziness, body aches, exhaustion, strong DR, doom thinking, some SI,.... with no relief.

Strange to think that two weeks ago I had moments while I felt  "normal" ! ;)

 

I'm trying to apply somehow the "Endgame taper" advices to my bridge. Not sure if I'm doing well as I don't understand everything (English understanding + strong brain fog and DR).

Not sure how it can be adapted to a Prozac bridge.

 

I'm gonna wait a couple weeks and see how it goes. Then I'll drop to 0.03mg and see how it goes. (33%, 50%...100% ?)

 

Not really able to participate on SA these days : I focus all my efforts on trying to be able to work ;)

 

 

Someone asked me if I could do an assessment of my Prozac bridge : I think it is still too early to make a definitive assessment of my Paxil to Prozac bridge.

 

Do I regret it because of intense symptoms ? No way ! 

I wasn't doing a fast Paroxetine taper before coming to SA, and even with 3% drops it has always been very hard to taper Paroxetine. So we can assume that maybe I wouldn't have been able to get off Paroxetine without a switch.

I try to focus on my bigger goal : being drugfree. 

 

But my experience may show that a Prozac bridge may have to be done slower than expected, and that even with Fluoxetine added Paroxetine can still be a stubborn and hard to get off.

It is possible that I've been too confident about a "symptom-free bridge" : before bridging, I read many testimonies on French forums, people bridging in two to four weeks without having symptoms !

To be honest, it sometimes feels very unfair to have intense symptoms.

On another hand, since 15 years my CNS function with Paroxetine, so it sounds pretty logical that gettinf off doesn't go smoothly.

 

 I'm really struggling at the moment, and sometimes loose faith on being able to get off Paroxetine and stabilising on Fluoxetine.

But I also know that time does heal everything ❤️;)

 

Take care everyone ❤️

 

Paxil is very hard to taper from no matter how we do it 

I’m tapering off it and I’m full of symptoms 

even when I was holding for a year I was plagued with symptoms 

but like you I’m determined I will be free from this drug no matter what 

you are strong and as you say you have been on Paxil like me for many years 

yes it has a hold on us after so long but with your determination you will get there 

recovery is inevitable 

keep going 

accept the ups and downs but always keep your goal in mind 

drug free 

Paxil free 

getting on with a happy life 

so worth it ! X

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Hang in there @Erell,

There is nothing fair about this tapering game, for sure. You WILL make it off. Sending hugs from London xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Oups, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to complain ! 

But, your support is greatly appreciate ! ❤

 

As longroadhome said : so worth it ! 💪

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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8 hours ago, Erell said:

I'm trying to apply somehow the "Endgame taper" advices to my bridge.

In applying the Endgame Taper, Brassmonkey writes that it is assumed you are doing okay without a lot of symptoms before making those larger percentage drops.  From what I've read in your posts, you're having some difficulties.  It seems to me that a slower taper off the Paxil would be gentler for you.

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of April 10: 13mgai.  Taper is 31% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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54 minutes ago, Gridley said:

In applying the Endgame Taper, Brassmonkey writes that it is assumed you are doing okay without a lot of symptoms before making those larger percentage drops.  From what I've read in your posts, you're having some difficulties.  It seems to me that a slower taper off the Paxil would be gentler for you.

 

Thank you for your input Gridley ! ❤

 

Before dropping my dose from 0.1mg to 0.06mg I was feeling almost symptomfree with great moments feeling "normal", that's why I did it.

Symptoms appeared last 2 weeks after the drop to 0.06mg.

 

Another factor is my liquid Paxil will be out of date in August (it is out of stock in France since many months).

If needed I could still make my own liquid with tablets, but switching to tablets could be another factor of destabilisation.

 

I don't know, maybe my understanding of the Prozac bridge is wrong  : from what I've read it seems that you have to quit first molecule relatively quickly, in order to let your CNS stabilise with the new molecule.

I've read many testimonies of people jumping at 2 or 1 mg Paroxetine while Fluoxetine ramps up.

I've started to switch in April.

 

Switching seems to be a complex process ;)

 

I'll see how things go next weeks.

 

Take care ❤

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Bonjour @Erell - Juste quelque petits mot de dire qu je pense à toi aujourd'hui et j'espére que tu vas bien. Bisous!

2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT without issues
Feb 2 - July 24, 2019 - restarted Lexapro 5 mg for insomnia

July 25 - Nov 19, 2019 - Lexapro 10 mg, resulted in increased anxiety and depression
Nov 20 - Dec 11, 2019 - 3-week FT from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 - Feb 4, 2020 - drug-free and feeling good until horrible WD hit
Feb 5 - Feb 16, 2020 - Paxil 10 mg, adverse reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - reinstated Lexapro 5 mg

Nov 22 - Dec 12, 2020 - transition from pill to homemade liquid

Dec 13, 2020 - 4.7 mg; Jan 3, 2021 - 4.5 mg; Jan 24 - 4.3 mg; Feb 14 - 4.2 mg; March 7 - 4.1 mg

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; CBT & ACT therapy

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On 6/8/2020 at 10:17 AM, Erell said:

- reinstated 0.1mg Paroxetine 2 weeks ago, and after one week had moments while I felt almost symptomfree...! Can't tell how wonderful it was to realise that weird chemical anxiety had gone.

- I still have some chemical anxiety/dizziness, but very low, with some spikes. Actually, it feels like if Fluoxetine is progressively kicking in.

 

Trying to focus on the positive : yes I was feeling pretty good on 0.1mg Paroxetine ! Even forgot WD for hours sometimes ! :D 

 

Since I dropped to 0.06mg (33%) two weeks ago, I'm full of symptoms and high chemical anxiety and cortisul rushes are kicking me. Can't work from home anymore so days are a real challenge.

As Gridley said, it was probably a too large drop. Feeling symptomfree probably gave me too much confidence on my ability to end easily my switch to Prozac.

 

I'm working on accepting the fact that I'll probably have to taper slower Paroxetine, even if I've added Fluoxetine.

I'm gonna wait until I stabilise from my 33% drop and then will probably reduce Paroxetine by 0.01mg instead (0.05, 0.04, ...).

 

As I've read testimonies of people having issues going from liquid to tablets, I'm working on trying to find some extra bottles.

I may have found 2 extra bottles in another region, expiration date could  lead me to October 2020.

(liquid Paxil still out of stock in France / bottles I have will be out of date in August).

 

@Altostrata : I'm being curious : do we have testimonies of people struggling hardly to quit Paroxetine even when tolerating well Fluoxetine ? How did they manage then end of the swtich ?
(didn't find examples at low doses, people often seemed to quit easier once Fluoxetine has ramped up).

 

Wish you all a nice day ❤️

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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7 hours ago, Erell said:

 

Trying to focus on the positive : yes I was feeling pretty good on 0.1mg Paroxetine ! Even forgot WD for hours sometimes ! :D 

 

Since I dropped to 0.06mg (33%) two weeks ago, I'm full of symptoms and high chemical anxiety and cortisul rushes are kicking me. Can't work from home anymore so days are a real challenge.

As Gridley said, it was probably a too large drop. Feeling symptomfree probably gave me too much confidence on my ability to end easily my switch to Prozac.

 

I'm working on accepting the fact that I'll probably have to taper slower Paroxetine, even if I've added Fluoxetine.

I'm gonna wait until I stabilise from my 33% drop and then will probably reduce Paroxetine by 0.01mg instead (0.05, 0.04, ...).

 

As I've read testimonies of people having issues going from liquid to tablets, I'm working on trying to find some extra bottles.

I may have found 2 extra bottles in another region, expiration date could  lead me to October 2020.

(liquid Paxil still out of stock in France / bottles I have will be out of date in August).

 

@Altostrata : I'm being curious : do we have testimonies of people struggling hardly to quit Paroxetine even when tolerating well Fluoxetine ? How did they manage then end of the swtich ?
(didn't find examples at low doses, people often seemed to quit easier once Fluoxetine has ramped up).

 

Wish you all a nice day ❤️

Hi Erell

I’ve thought  about your situation. 
I don’t know of many (if any) that are symptom free whatever form they exit from Paxil. 
so if I were you I’d think about Brass Monkeys sliding scale of 2.5% drop every Week for four weeks and holding for 2 then continue the same again until off. 
Maybe you  like me have to sneak Paxil very slowly out of your system . 
Brass Monkey taper is definitely working for me. 
I’m  not symptom free but managing well at the moment . 
so, we are all different and maybe you will not be symptom free until completely off Paxil and “Down the road some” but by sneaking the remainder out Brass Monkey style your symptoms will be manageable . 
Just a thought 💭 

you’re  a strong person You have this it’s just finding your exit point that’s all 

 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Hello @Erell,

Just dropping by to give you a hug and a hello ❤️

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hello dear survivors, 

 

well, I've criticised Paxil for being a stubborn, but it looks like I'm a real stubborn too... ;)

 

Before doing my Paxil to Prozac switch, I've read several testimonies written by people (here or on other websites) who did a relatively easy bridge, almost symptomfree.

And this is what gave me the strength to try this molecule change : I began my switch almost convinced that once Fluoxetine would ramp up, I would quit Paroxetine relatively quickly and without much symptoms.

 

It is not exactly the case (but still glad to be down to 0.06mg), and everytime I told it here, you (Gridley, Altostrata, Longroadhome,..) told me that I'll probably have to quit Paroxetine very slowly.

But I couldn't understand why whereas I had added Fluoxetine in order to substitute. As if 10% rule couldn't apply to my switch situation. 

As if I had forggot all I've learned thanks to SA testimonies. 

And instead of accepting the fact that quitting Paroxetine was still difficult for my CNS even if Fluoxetine was added, my mind was rejecting this idea and I kept on saying "but I'm doing a switch, this is not normal, logical".

 

I believe this lack of acceptance also came from fears for my everyday life : I'm afraid of not being able to keep on working with those intense symptoms, and I need my job to stay independent and protect myself.

Those around me fully accept the idea that I probably need more drugs because I'm ill, so I can't ask them support or financial help if I had to stop working.

 

Of course this rejection attitude didn't help me ;)

And I'm starting to understand that, considering my current symptoms, it may still take many months to quit Paxil.

 

Well, don't know if it's clear, but wanted to apologize for my obstinacy. Let's say it is an obstinacy for life !

Trying to move on the road to acceptance and the grieving process of an easy divorce with Paxil. Felt in love too quickly with a miraculous Fluoxetine saviour ;)

 

My plan now is to wait for stabilisation with 0.06mg Paroxetine, and then do a slower taper of it.

 

Take care ❤️

 

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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It's amazing that you're down to 0.06 of paroxetine. Incredible!

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Sweet Erell. I agree with sunny, it’s amazing how far you have come.💪

I just wanted to tell you that my switch with Prozac was far from symptoms free. At the time of my bridge I had to only rely on my doctor, had not this forum. I had to contact my doctor few times, with horrible symptoms, and I have

mention to you at one time my doctor told me to up my dose of Prozac to 40 mg, witch I did. Paxil is pure poison in my mind. That’s shows how hard my switch was, beside I didn’t do the bridge-switch correctly. One thing  I can tell you is that it WILL get better. You are strong and stubborn, and that will help you to push on through💪
Tell yourself that you refuse to back down, don’t let the symptoms have value in your life. Focus on the positive. And you should be SO proud of your accomplishment. 
You don’t have to prove to anyone that you can be drug free but prove it to yourself. It’s your life, and you are doing this  for you💖
Let’s go💪

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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Hannah,

Thank you for sharing your experience !

 

7 hours ago, Hanna72 said:

my doctor told me to up my dose of Prozac to 40 mg, witch I did.

I've read people who've been able to switch by taking a higher dose.

I've wondered myself if I should up my dose to 10mg Fluoxetine as I started with 10mg Paroxetine. 

Thing is other testimonies show that more is not always better.

And my CNS is now used to 6mg Fluoxétine since several weeks, I don't want to destabilise it further.

 

I really appreciate your words of support, I don't really know how to express it in English but there is a beautiful light in your words  ❤

 

Thankyou!

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Yes I went up to 40 mg, because my doctor was ignorant about Paxil wd symptoms.  But with in a week I went back down to 20 mg because the high dose did not help me at all. So you can imagine what that did to my nervous system. 
I agree with you I would not mess with the dosage of Prozac. If I would have found this forum before the switch I would have done it like you👍
You will stabilise, I have no doubt in my mind🙏

 

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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Hi Erell, 

 

Sending you support and kisses

 

Vega. 

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Thank you Hanna and Vegalia  ❤

 

Since 9 June (drop from 0.1mg to 0.06mg) my symptoms are getting worse day by day.

 

Symptoms intensity got almost unbearable this week (sheer terror and SI mostly, burning head, restlessness, body aches). 

Didn't feel this intensity since months. Pretty lost. 

 

I feel like I've made mistakes leading me to face a major crash. On another hand, the concept of a crossover to Prozac requires that I drop Paroxetine. 

 

Must confess i updosed to 0.07mg Paroxetine this morning, hoping it might help my CNS.

Having hard time to figure out if it could be a good idea to updose gradually to 0.1mg where I was feeling ok. 

Might need some insight on this one.

 

 

Fingers crossed, I don't forget my goal.

 

Take care ❤

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Hugs to you @Erell,

Also having a bit of a meltdown today. 

You're right, we just need to keep our eyes fixed on the goal ahead xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Bonjour @Erell - I am sending you hugs and hope today! You are incredible, working through your journey while still supporting me and others. Like @sunnysideup69 said we have to keep our eyes on the goal. Believe we are healing with every moment, every breath. Bisous 

2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT without issues
Feb 2 - July 24, 2019 - restarted Lexapro 5 mg for insomnia

July 25 - Nov 19, 2019 - Lexapro 10 mg, resulted in increased anxiety and depression
Nov 20 - Dec 11, 2019 - 3-week FT from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 - Feb 4, 2020 - drug-free and feeling good until horrible WD hit
Feb 5 - Feb 16, 2020 - Paxil 10 mg, adverse reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - reinstated Lexapro 5 mg

Nov 22 - Dec 12, 2020 - transition from pill to homemade liquid

Dec 13, 2020 - 4.7 mg; Jan 3, 2021 - 4.5 mg; Jan 24 - 4.3 mg; Feb 14 - 4.2 mg; March 7 - 4.1 mg

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; CBT & ACT therapy

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@Erell

 

Hang in there it will get better it always does it’s just that when we’re in the moment it feels like it’s never going to be any different and we panic. It’s natural.   

its a tough call and I know when I feel panicked by my symptoms I can make the wrong decision. 
be careful and maybe see how the increase you have just made goes over the next few days.  
also symptoms can come on intense only to slowly ebb away over a couple of weeks. 
WD is never a straight road it’s bumpy wavy and we get thrown lots of curveballs !!! 
you’re doing great. And remember  you’re on a small amount of AD. Well under half way off ! 
  

 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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3 hours ago, Longroadhome said:

 

 

its a tough call and I know when I feel panicked by my symptoms I can make the wrong decision. 

Yes you're right!

I don't know if it is a good decison to updose since my obviously too large drop.

 

Yes for sure WD it's not a straight road  ! :)

 

I'm somehow used to live with symptoms since months, what confuses me is their intensity worsening.

 

I'm really pleased to read you had some nicer times lately !

 

@Altostrata : do you agree on giving me an opinion about an updose from 0.06mg ?

 

I'm trying to find a prescriber in order to get more Paroxetine and end my crossover slower, for now it's not a success.

First doctor I've seen told me that everybody can quit easily ADs with some hypnosis...and the second one didn't want either to prescribe Paroxetine, his advice was to up Fluoxetine to 40mg...we should write a golden book entitled "100 advices tjat won't help you to get drugfree" ! ;)

 

 

take care ❤

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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How about increasing fluoxetine slightly instead? To 7mg, perhaps.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thank you for answering and sharing a view.

 

Indeed I've been quite lost about the best bet I could make in order to end this crossover correctly and carefully.

 

I understand your guess as a crossover continuity : dropping Paroxetine and upping Fluoxetine to compensate.

It makes sense !

 

Have a nice day (ending with great wind here).

 

(On a side note : I've called several doctors last weeks in order to find one that is used to Prozac switch, thinking it would help me to get the prescriptions I need. They all told me they didn't know this Prozac bridge method and had never heard of it.

Don't know if it's a generality in France or if I just got unlucky. Interesting that American doctors seem to be more familiar with this.)

 

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Hi  Erell, 

 

As you know I have read a lot the French forum end other French documents and it seems me that prozac bridge is not familiar for French doctors. Or they makes 50 % first AD and 50% new AD 2 or 3 weeks and full new AD.

Most of the time it seems that for switch with 2 AD same category (ISRS) switch is direct. 

I don't say that it is a good method but it seem's to be french habits. 

 

My English is bad but I know you can understand. ;)

 

Courage ma belle.

 

Vega

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Yes I understand you well :)

 

I agree, French doctors don't seem to be familiar with Prozac bridge, while Altostrata mentionned the fact that a lot of American doctors seem to use this option.

 

Merci pour ton soutien si précieux  !

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Morning, @Erell,

 

 

Unfortunately, paroxetine is a nasty little turd and you may have to sneak off much slower than you would have liked, but you are still getting there.

Your GP's comments about only needing hypnosis to get off antidepressants are ridiculous. I find it sad that those who are supposed to look after us have so little knowledge.

 

Yesterday in London, the evening was so windy I thought the trees in the back garden were going to come down. 

Anyway, thinking of you. xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Unfortunately, paroxetine is a nasty little turd and you may have to sneak off much slower than you would have liked, but you are still getting there.

 

Yes I think I'll have to sneak off much slower than I thought. It's ok, I now accept it.

 

Followed Altostrata suggestion and updosed to 7 mg Fluoxetine this morning, hoping it will help my poor destabilised CNS to compensate the lack of Paroxetine.

 

Anxiety has been slightly better some moments today, less extreme. I've even been able to take a gentle 30 min walk outside ! ❤️ I'll take this for a good sign ! ;)

Also struggled with strong doom feelings and some SI surges. It reminds me the intensity symptoms had when I first came to SA.

I think that's why I panic : after months of slow and gradual stabilisation, here I go again.

 

Since the beginning of my bridge, I've made a lot of dose changes/reinstatements so it makes sense. I don't think I've done something wrong, followed the advices and examples.

But I must confess I'm a bit worried about going back to acute for months.

 

I just hope Fluoxetine updose will help with those strong WD sympoms and help to fade intensity a bit.

 

I know there is no quick fix, Fluoxetine will ramp up slowly, so I have to be patient. ;)

 

Take care ❤️

 

 

 

 

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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