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@Erell

 

yes you’ve been on medication a long time and since you were young . However WD shows no preference to long term users, short term users, how old you were when you started, how old you are when withdrawing Etc etc None of this makes any difference To the length of time it will take to recover. What will be will be. So you mustn’t worry about the implications of being young and a long term user of meds. 
No matter the length of time everyone does recover. I have talked with Baylissa Frederick who has worked with many many people over 15 years that were going through WD And she cannot emphasis  enough that everybody recovers  By Accepting how you feel, letting  time pass  and being patient.
 


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Longroadhome 

 

Hello dear, and thank you for your words :)

 

oops, I wans't clear : I  wasn't talking about the implications of being young or length of time on the drugs.

How am I gonna say this in English ? 😅

It's just that I read a lot of people on SA who wants to get back to their previous life, who hang on to the life before AD's. Their memories and knowledge of a "previous life" seems to give them strenght.

In my case : I struggle to have memories before being a teenager, and I don't want to get to my life before AD's. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't ;)

 

So what I was trying to say in my post is

 

- I sometimes don't know how to hang on to a brighter future as I don't really have experienced "normal" adult life

- I try to meet myself and create my life, my baseline, but it is very hard to do while struggling with neuroemotions

 

This is one of the reason why Shep is a mentor for me  :  she has been drugged since being young and had to create her own baseline. She even succeeded ❤️ !

 

Well, don't know if it's clearer 😃 

 

Have a nice day/evening 

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Vegalia

Coucou, 

 

J'espère que mon français né derangera pas, mais je n'ai pas la force d'ecrire en anglais. 

 

Très étrange.. Ces jours-ci je me suis fait beaucoup de réflexions très similaires aux tiennes. 

Bien sûr mon parcours est beaucoup plus court, mais beaucoup de similitudes avec ton ressenti actuel et tes interrogations. 

 

Je ne vis pas seule mais c'est un peu comme si je l'etais. Et je continue à me forcer, trop, bien trop comme j'ai fait toute ma vie en fait, vivant à un rythme trop brutal. Alors que n'étant pas seule je devrais pouvoir demander de l'aide mais la personne avec qui je vis est fermée. 

Du coup je suis isolée aussi et sans travailler depuis deux ans, c'est très dur. Les jours se ressemblent trop. 

 

J'ai beaucoup plus il me semble, de difficultés que toi à différencier ce qui est WD de ce qui ne l'est pas, mais je sais que tout n'est pas WD et ça m'explose à la figure. Et les neuro-emotions intenses restent bloquées, les douleurs aussi car je ne pleure toujours pas. 

Ce sont des courses, des parcours epuisants. Il est difficile aussi de ne pas trop penser dans de telles situations 

 

Demain je vois une magnétiseuse et deux autres fois ensuite. Pas trop mon truc a priori mais... Elle se trouve à 3 km de chez moi et ne fait rien payer, alors qui sait?  Si ça enlevait certains blocages ? 

 

Ne doute pas de ta force et de tes incroyables capacités d'adaptation, même si le découragement est logique parfois.Tu m'as toujours impressionnée, tu es une source d:'inspiration pour moi. Je crois vraiment en toi. Tu peux te sentir mieux, j'en suis sûre. 

Prends soin de toi, à ton rythme. Tu es vraiment forte ma chère. 

 

Bisous. 

 

❤️


 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Cigale

Dear sweet and strong @Erell - I have read and re-read your ideas on WD/not WD thoughts, work, socializing, hairiness and being strong. I swear you have a true gift for communicating and connecting with others - even in a second language. (I keep thinking that you would make an incredibly insightful multilingual therapist.) Your insights are profound and I see myself and my challenges in all those concepts. I wish I could help you find answers, but want to let you know that you are not alone. These difficulties all seem to be part of this challenging WD journey, and because they are so foreign to us (I have never had trouble socializing or riding my bike), they can be so hard to accept. 

 

But you are doing all the right things. Using CBT to help with your thinking is critical and you should be so proud. I have also been trying ACT therapy. Getting yourself out every day for a walk along the ocean is so important. Writing and sharing your thoughts is good - and helps other, like me, merci. You are an especially talented writer! I also TRY to meditate and do yoga - which works some days. One form of meditation that seems to work better for me is yoga nidra - breathing into your body one section at a time - because it gives my spinning brain a focus. Here’s a resource in different languages for different issues. As for socializing, I am not sure what to say to help since this is really hard for me too now. One thing I try to do is to reach out at least once a day to someone - by texting a nice photo or calling to find out how someone is doing. And then, some days, I am weak and just sit on the couch and breath and cry a little. But even in doing ‘nothing,’ I am doing something by giving myself a break.

 

You are so young and have so much awareness and compassion. You are already using your experiences and challenges to grow - something many people never do. I believe if you just trust in your incredible strength and wisdom, your path will open before you. 

 

Sending hugs and sweet light - Cigale

 

PS - Though I don’t have the hairiness issue, I do have icky warts that started when I reintroduced lexapro in 2019. They are only on my left side. So weird these chemicals makes us go through such an odd metamorphosis. Maybe we are now caterpillars...


2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT
Feb 2, 2019 to July 24, 2019 - restart Lexapro 5 mg; July 25, 2019 increase Lexapro 10 mg
Nov 20, 2019 to Dec 11, 2019 - way too fast taper from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 to Feb 4, 2020 - drug free until horrible WD hit
Feb 5, 2020 to Feb 16, 2020 - started Paxil 10 mg, resulted in very bad reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - current - reinstate Lexapro 5 mg to stabilize before taper

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; biweekly CBT & ACT therapy

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Erell
On 5/2/2020 at 6:07 PM, Altostrata said:

I would wait at least 2 weeks after a fluoxetine increase to decide whether more is needed.

 

1. Do you think I should go up to 8mg Fluoxetine?

 

My guts are telling me that I don't take enough Fluoxetine to cover Paxil WD.

But I don't know if I can trust my guts.

 

 

2. You said that according to a knowledgable doctor you know 5mg Fluoxetine is often sufficient to substitute with 10mg Paroxetine.

Do you know how this doctor proceed when it is not the case  ?

 

Thank you ❤


2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Altostrata
3 hours ago, Erell said:

My guts are telling me that I don't take enough Fluoxetine to cover Paxil WD.

 

Did you feel better after the last increase? Yes, you can increase fluoxetine if you intuitively feel you need more.

 

3 hours ago, Erell said:

2. You said that according to a knowledgable doctor you know 5mg Fluoxetine is often sufficient to substitute with 10mg Paroxetine.

Do you know how this doctor proceed when it is not the case  ?

 

He increases fluoxetine.


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Erell
1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

 

Did you feel better after the last increase? Yes, you can increase fluoxetine if you intuitively feel you need more

 

I have issues to know : things are pretty hard since June with a lot of fluctuations.

But I have the feeling that I'm not taking enough Fluoxetine to susbtitute.

I don't know if it is rationnal or if it is a "need to do something".

I've had some short nice moments on 24/25th July (10 days after last increase).

I Have to make a decision ;)

 

Alto, I wanna apologise and thank you :  I ask you a lot during this difficult never-ending switch, because I trust your knowledge and advices.

I should be asking to my psychiatrist who is being paid for that, but while you give me careful advices, he urges me to take Prazepam and Alprazolam (Xanax, seriously?!).

So thank you, for everything.


2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Altostrata
3 hours ago, Erell said:

I've had some short nice moments on 24/25th July (10 days after last increase).

 

10 days would be just about when the increase is starting to make a difference in fluoxetine's blood level.

 

Yes, I would increase fluoxetine again, by 0.5mg. Be sure to keep daily notes for 2 weeks after. If you see the same pattern -- at 10 days you feel better but after that, the bad symptom pattern returns, I would increase again.


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Erell
8 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, I would increase fluoxetine again, by 0.5mg. Be sure to keep daily notes for 2 weeks after. If you see the same pattern -- at 10 days you feel better but after that, the bad symptom pattern returns, I would increase again.

 

Updosed to 8mg this morning. 

Recorded in my daily notes  ;)

 

Thank you ❤


2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Cigale

Bonjour @Erell! I am hoping with all my heart that 8 is the magic number for you. And if you need a different kind of therapy today, you might want to see this thread that Sunnyside69 shared with me: 

 

 

Bisous Ma Belle!


2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT
Feb 2, 2019 to July 24, 2019 - restart Lexapro 5 mg; July 25, 2019 increase Lexapro 10 mg
Nov 20, 2019 to Dec 11, 2019 - way too fast taper from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 to Feb 4, 2020 - drug free until horrible WD hit
Feb 5, 2020 to Feb 16, 2020 - started Paxil 10 mg, resulted in very bad reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - current - reinstate Lexapro 5 mg to stabilize before taper

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; biweekly CBT & ACT therapy

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Since 12 hours, I'm experiencing a significant worsening of my symptoms.

Yesterday, I've felt better with very low anxiety and no depression during one hour.

In the evening, all of a sudden, symptoms have worsened : a high sense of dread appeared and have only been able to sleep 1hour. Intense dread all night. Massive impending doom.

 

Despite all I've been through, I've been Lucky this year in the sense that I haven't suffered from insomnia. This is quite new.

 

I know one bad night doesn't make a trend, so will have to see what happens in the next few days.

Still in intense dread this morning, a feeling I haven't felt for months + massive impending doom + highly restless and feel like I'm going crazy.

 

@Altostrata : I've never felt so restless, mentally and physically. 

Could it be the updose ?

I could go back to 7.5mg Fluoxetine, but wasn't feeling good either.

I'm really lost and loosing faith.

I'm trying to use my toolkit to cope.

 

Haven't made any other change (same diet, no other drugs, no alcohol, same routine). Drugs bottles opened since 2 weeks, expiration dates in 2021.

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Am hoping for you that it's a temporary blip, @Erell. I see you're a couple of days into the updose...hang on in there.

 

You're right, one night of insomnia is horrible but it doesn't predict a pattern. Hopefully, you can get some rest today.

 

Sending love and support from London. Hug 😘


January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

 

 

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Thank you @sunnysideup69 ❤

I'm in a state that is very hard to describe, don't think I've ever felt that way. So restless.

Gonna try to take a walk.

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Longroadhome

Thinking of you @Erell

And wishing you well x


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Cigale

Holding you in my heart dear @Erell. I hope you get out for a soothing walk by the sea. ♥️


2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT
Feb 2, 2019 to July 24, 2019 - restart Lexapro 5 mg; July 25, 2019 increase Lexapro 10 mg
Nov 20, 2019 to Dec 11, 2019 - way too fast taper from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 to Feb 4, 2020 - drug free until horrible WD hit
Feb 5, 2020 to Feb 16, 2020 - started Paxil 10 mg, resulted in very bad reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - current - reinstate Lexapro 5 mg to stabilize before taper

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; biweekly CBT & ACT therapy

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2 hours ago, Erell said:

Thank you @sunnysideup69 ❤

I'm in a state that is very hard to describe, don't think I've ever felt that way. So restless.

Gonna try to take a walk.

Thinking of u erell.

Please remember that this is just a rough time and will pass and become calm again❤.

Please, take care.


i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify.

--fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then)

--sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then).

--sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years.

--my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019).

symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization).

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6 hours ago, Erell said:

I'm really lost and loosing faith.

Dear Erell. 
When ever you find yourself doubting how far you can go, just remember how far you have come.

You are stronger then you know and more capable then you ever dreamed. 
Don’t loose faith and never stop believing in yourself.

My thoughts are with you 

Hugs to you my friend 💖


2000/ got 20mg Paxil  

2003/ quit cold turkey, went back on

2004/ tried again quitting, no success 

2010/ Another taper, approx 2 months taper, got acute withdrawal syndrome. Back on Paxil 

2019- January started tapering Paxil, 2019-October 10 mg Paxil , getting ready for a bridge with 10 mg Prozac  Took about 1 month during switch. Done with Paxil 2019/ November started tapering 20 mg Prozac  .Took alcohol and coffee out.2019/December 8 mg Prozac 

2020/January 4 mg Prozac 

2020/15/3 .09 mg jumped off

2020 March 16 off Prozac  Quetipine 25 mg used 1 time in 15 months, oxezapam 15 mg used 4 times 

“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time” Leo Tolstoy 

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Vegalia

Hi  @Erell

 

I send you all my support. 

 

Courage ma Belle. Aller te promener montre deja ta force. 

 

Toutes mes pensees! ❤️❤️❤️


 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Dear Erell,

This process is far the hardest thing we have ever faced. It consume all our strengths. Even if we try our best to cope, we seem to have no control over those symptoms. 
I send you big hugs, love and good vibes, and I wish that you will see some light soon. You deserve it so much!

And don’t forget that one day, everyone heal. It is so hard to believe it in the midst of a wave, when our thoughts are fooling us. 

 

Courage, chère Erell. Je t’envoie pleins d’ondes positives du Québec...

 

À bientôt!

 

Anne-Marie
 

 


Oct 2007 - aug 2008: Mirtazapine (for insomnia). Tapered from march until august 2008.

Sept 2008 - Anxiety relapse, so been put on 20mg Celexa - tapered from feb 2009 until august 2010. Dec 2009-Sept 2010: Celexa, Cymbalta. Quit C/T both.

Sept 2010 - Jan 2015: Paxil 20mg.  Jan 2015 - Paxil Poop-out so tapered very fast (over 3 weeks) then switched to 30mg mirtazapine.  Suffered very bad w/d symptoms for

                    3  months. March 2015 - Mirt didn't work so switched to 100mg Pristiq.

April 2015 to oct 2018 : Mirtazapine 30mg + Pristiq 50mg. March 2018 to Dec 2018: Tapered Pristiq (by switching to effexor) and updosed Mirtazapine to 45mg.

June 2019: Adverse reaction to short use of Zopiclone (1 week use). GP put me on Zoloft 50mg. Adverse reaction to Zoloft so stopped it after 10 days.

June 2019-aug 2019: Fast taper of Mirtazapine, sept 2019 hit bad W/D symptoms, so updosed to 45mg. GP put me on 10mg Lexapro, C/T after 4 weeks.

Dec 2019-Jan 2020: Tapered Mirtazapine (45mg down to 37.5mg), but end of january, hit a wall of symptoms, so updose again to 45mg Mirtazapine.

Feb 2020: GP added 50mg SeroquelXR and upped Mirtazapine to 52.5mg. Stopped SeroquelXR after 2 weeks.

21 Feb 2020, found SA and staying on 45mg Mirtazapine, waiting for stabilization.

Seroquel 25mg on and off to help sleep, since may 2019. Ativan 0,5mg PRN, since oct 2019.  Early march '20, stopped both seroquel and ativan.

Supplements: Magnesium Glycinate, Omega-3, B complex vit., D vit. 1000UI. Melatonin, probiotic.

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Altostrata

You might try 7.75mg fluoxetine, Erell.


This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

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Erell
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Dear community, I wanna apologize for the triggering post : for the first time in my life, I might be discovering what people call "akathisia" and it makes me lost my grounding and all I've learned since one year.

 

@Longroadhome, @Cigale, @mustafa, @Hanna72, @Vegalia, @Mimi79 : thank you, your words mean everything ❤️ 

 

@Altostrata : thank you ❤️ it's really hard to guess what comes from Paxil WD, what comes from too much changes, what comes from Fluoxetine. 

Scared to make things worse. 

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Longroadhome
4 minutes ago, Erell said:

Dear community, I wanna apologize for the triggering post : for the first time in my life, I might be discovering what people call "akathisia" and it makes me lost my grounding and all I've learned since one year.

 

@Longroadhome, @Cigale, @mustafa, @Hanna72, @Vegalia, @Mimi79 : thank you, your words mean everything ❤️ 

 

@Altostrata : thank you ❤️ it's really hard to guess what comes from Paxil WD, what comes from too much changes, what comes from Fluoxetine. 

Try not to worry it’s usually intermittent and eventually fades x 


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Altostrata

I think 8mg is too strong for you. You started to feel it as it was ramping up. A little less might be the "sweet spot".


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Rosetta

E,

 

I had a period of time when my anxiety and restlessness returned in the evenings after dropping down to a manageable level in the afternoons.  It’s not fun.  It is, however, not surprising.  Yes, it sounds like it could be a mild form akathisia.  I’m my opinion, the dividing line between aka and high anxiety is not very sharp.  One of the moderators suggested that I was experiencing something similar to “sundowner’s syndrome.”  I hope that Alto’s suggestion gives you some relief.  As I may have mentioned, hot baths or showers were helpful.  It’s hard to have the anxiety return in the afternoons or evenings.

 

Thinking of you, Rosetta


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Cigale

Last night, I wished upon a beautiful shooting star for you ma chère Erell. Sending healing love ❤️ to you.

 


2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT
Feb 2, 2019 to July 24, 2019 - restart Lexapro 5 mg; July 25, 2019 increase Lexapro 10 mg
Nov 20, 2019 to Dec 11, 2019 - way too fast taper from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 to Feb 4, 2020 - drug free until horrible WD hit
Feb 5, 2020 to Feb 16, 2020 - started Paxil 10 mg, resulted in very bad reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - current - reinstate Lexapro 5 mg to stabilize before taper

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; biweekly CBT & ACT therapy

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Erell

hello, 

 

Had a better night (4hours straight sleep).

Felt a bit calmer today : still surges to escape and restlessness, but less constant, had some easier times.

Grateful for this relief !

 

19 hours ago, Rosetta said:

 Yes, it sounds like it could be a mild form akathisia.  I’m my opinion, the dividing line between aka and high anxiety is not very sharp.  

You're right, you can't always distinguish restlessness from anxiety. 

What was new for me was the very intense surges to escape (don't know how to describe it, it's a need to escape from body/mind), and the intensity of the restlessness in my body, wanted to jump out of my skin.

 

Followed Altostrata's suggestion and took 7.75mg this morning.

 

You really are angels ❤️

 


2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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Hanna72
6 minutes ago, Erell said:

Felt a bit calmer today

Ohhh that just made me emotional to read. Tiny step in the right direction🤞
So glad you could sleep some. 

Praying for more healing coming your way🙏💖
 


2000/ got 20mg Paxil  

2003/ quit cold turkey, went back on

2004/ tried again quitting, no success 

2010/ Another taper, approx 2 months taper, got acute withdrawal syndrome. Back on Paxil 

2019- January started tapering Paxil, 2019-October 10 mg Paxil , getting ready for a bridge with 10 mg Prozac  Took about 1 month during switch. Done with Paxil 2019/ November started tapering 20 mg Prozac  .Took alcohol and coffee out.2019/December 8 mg Prozac 

2020/January 4 mg Prozac 

2020/15/3 .09 mg jumped off

2020 March 16 off Prozac  Quetipine 25 mg used 1 time in 15 months, oxezapam 15 mg used 4 times 

“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time” Leo Tolstoy 

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Longroadhome
1 hour ago, Erell said:

hello, 

 

Had a better night (4hours straight sleep).

Felt a bit calmer today : still surges to escape and restlessness, but less constant, had some easier times.

Grateful for this relief !

 

You're right, you can't always distinguish restlessness from anxiety. 

What was new for me was the very intense surges to escape (don't know how to describe it, it's a need to escape from body/mind), and the intensity of the restlessness in my body, wanted to jump out of my skin.

 

Followed Altostrata's suggestion and took 7.75mg this morning.

 

You really are angels ❤️

 

Hi Erell 

it’s definitely Akathisia the way you describe it 

so glad you had some relief 

take care 


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Vegalia

 Hi @Erell

 

Sorry for akathisia. Everybody is different but I know it is something very difficult. I know it. 

But it will go out. 

 

A day is not the other, as you sayed with sleep= 4 h this night : better ! 

 

Je pense bien  à toi vraiment💕

 

Bisous. 

 

L. 😉


 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Altostrata
5 hours ago, Erell said:

Followed Altostrata's suggestion and took 7.75mg this morning.

 

Good to hear. It will take a week or 2 for the reduction to reach full effect, but sounds like the increase to 8mg is leveling off, so that's a good thing.

 

Activation from an SSRI is not the same as akathisia. It sounds like you found the increase in Prozac to be activating as it was ramping up. The sensation may have been a shift in your paroxetine withdrawal syndrome, too. Perhaps it's settling down now.


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Rosetta

How are you feeling now?  Hope it’s better.


https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Erell
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Thank you for asking ☺

 

Well, have to admit that things are pretty rough. I'm quite disabled and mostly housebound since June.

 

My main symptoms are high anxiety / restlessness (mental or physical) / depression.

Intensity oscillates, but stay quite high.

Random relay between those three.

I also have other symptoms but they don't interfere too much with my abilities (nausea, headaches, some burning skin, ..).

 

As Altostrata said, it is impossible to know what is causing what. I've made so many changes in order to crossover, my CNS is probably highly destabilised and need some rest.

 

I don't manage to be functionnal enough to work or spend time with friends or family, so I focus my efforts on dailycare :

- walk at least 30min everyday

- cook meals

- toolkit : mindfullness, relaxation, breathing, EFT,...

- changing the channel : cleaning my flat, gardening, puzzles,...

 

I'm quite exhausted : it's been a bumpy and harsh year since my crash in August 2019. I have issues to see the light at the end of the tunnel. 

I just hope that I'm gonna be able to stabilise on Fluoxetine.

And, with time, be able to find a new job and to spend time with people.

 

I don't know if it will help others, just in case : when I feel like giving up, I focus on pictures of me when I was a child.

I look at this smiling child, and realise that I can't give up.

My inner child deserve a bright life and joy, and I know I will give it to her ☺

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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mstimc
1 hour ago, Erell said:

I don't know if it will help others, just in case : when I feel like giving up, I focus on pictures of me when I was a child.

I look at this smiling child, and realise that I can't give up.

My inner child deserve a bright life and joy, and I know I will give it to her ☺

 

That's a great strategy, Erell.  We deserve to be just as happy as were as children, when our minds and lives were uncluttered by anxiety.


Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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Longroadhome

@Erell

that's a wonderful way to look at It . 

It’s  funny but I’ve been listening to music that was around (we have a special radio station dedicated to this) when I was a young girl and I’ve found myself singing along and taking trips down memory  lane to happy times of yesteryear . It’s taken me outside the suffering. 
take care 

hold on your time for healing is close 

😊


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Cigale
5 hours ago, Erell said:

when I feel like giving up, I focus on pictures of me when I was a child.

I look at this smiling child, and realise that I can't give up.

My inner child deserve a bright life and joy, and I know I will give it to her ☺

 

Ma chère @Erell - Thank you for this beautiful advice. Even when you are down, you still find the courage to bring light to our lives. You are truly amazing. Holding you in my heart and hoping for healing. ❤️


2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT
Feb 2, 2019 to July 24, 2019 - restart Lexapro 5 mg; July 25, 2019 increase Lexapro 10 mg
Nov 20, 2019 to Dec 11, 2019 - way too fast taper from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 to Feb 4, 2020 - drug free until horrible WD hit
Feb 5, 2020 to Feb 16, 2020 - started Paxil 10 mg, resulted in very bad reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - current - reinstate Lexapro 5 mg to stabilize before taper

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; biweekly CBT & ACT therapy

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Erell
Posted (edited)

Just in case folks might want to try :

 

Things are really rough these days and I live on my own without interactions.

Yesterday evening I felt a urge to be touched/massage/hugs.

While going to bed I took a very soft make-up brush and spent time lovingly caressing my face and neck.

I also was listening to soothing music.

 

And yes, I think it calmed me. It helped me to fall asleep ❤

 

Cheers to make-up brushes !

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : weaning Paroxetine 20mg. 3% every 15 days.

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

Current medication : 7mg Fluoxetine + 1mg Diazepam + toothpick Paroxetine 

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