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Sorry you aren’t feeling well rt now! Yes during waves when we aren’t feeling well all those questions and doubts we ask ourselves I think is due to cns out of stability anxiety and such. I do the same thing. What did I do wrong what happened what should I do I have to do something to fix it now etc. acknowledge, accept, float. I think dr Claire weeks said this can’t remember. When I am in a wave I have no problem acknowledging this is withdrawals but I  struggle with acceptance and floating. Like I said I think cns instability during this time makes it hard to accept and float! Hope you get through wave quickly! Hang in there !

09/2000 paxil 20mgs, 06/2006 stopped Paxil crashed, 10/2006 progressed back up to Paxil 20mgs, 2012 -2013 Paxil 12 month taper crashed, 09/2013 Zoloft 50 - 100, 2015-2016 Zoloft taper crash, 2016 cymbalta, 01/2017   lamictal , 05/2017 Prozac 20 mgs, 06/2017 Prozac 40mgs, 02/2018 Prozac 20 mgs, 05/2018 Prozac 30 mgs, 11/2018 lexapro 10 mgs, 01/2019 lexapro 15 mgs, 12/07/2019 lexapro 13.75 mgs ,01/04/2020 lexapro 12.5 mgs, 02/08/2020 lexapro 11.25 mgs, 03/07/2020 lexapro 10 mgs, 07/25/2020 7.5mg pill&2.5ml liquid, 08/04/2020 5mg pill&5ml liquid, 08/17/2020 2.5mg pill 7.5 ml liquid, 08/24/2020 10 ml liquid lexapro, 09/05/2020 9 ml liquid lexapro, 10/05/2020 8.5 ml liquid lexapro,10/12/2020 9 ml, 04/17/2021 8.78 ml, 04/24/2021 8.56 ml, 05/02/2021 8.34 ml, 05/09/2021 8.10ml,

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@Erell

I have found a good website today they I think may help you 

The Benzo Free Podcast 

Benzo withdrawal Symptoms  : questions, confusion, obsession  

By D E Foster 

An American who talks about withdrawal from Benzo and has been through WD himself . I think he was/is a university lecturer but does a lot now to help people in WD. 

it is about Benzos but as AD WD is so similar it is good listening and he has a soothing voice so good to hear if you want a pick me up when resting on the couch etc  
you’re English is very good so I’m hoping you will be able to listen and understand . Forgive me if I’m speaking out of turn. 
take care of yourself x
 

 

 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Dear @Erell

Thinking of you and sending hugs your way. Praying for some relief coming your way soon. I know how terrible hard this is, and you are so brave and strong. ❤️

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg

12/5 2021- 8.5 mg fluoxetine, holding 

 

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Oh my dear @Erell - I am so sorry that you are struggling like this. My heart aches for you. But you are doing all the right things, getting out on walks, distracting, and noting your pink improvements. This takes discipline and that will pay off.  You are strong and deeply compassionate and that goodness and beauty will win out over these toxins.

 

You do so much for others, I want to try and suggest something that has helped me. When I get out for a walk, I really try to breath in and savor the beauty around me. Recently I managed to push myself to go for a hike though I was dealing with SI and terror. When I stopped to look at the landscape, I would purposely slow and deepen my breath and stand still for a couple of minutes imagining I was gathering energy and healing from the earth. Though I continued to struggle the rest of the day with anxiety and depression, I slept really well that night.

 

I am holding you in my thoughts and sending you healing 🤗.

2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT without issues
Feb 2 - July 24, 2019 - restarted Lexapro 5 mg for insomnia

July 25 - Nov 19, 2019 - Lexapro 10 mg, resulted in increased anxiety and depression
Nov 20 - Dec 11, 2019 - 3-week FT from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 - Feb 4, 2020 - drug-free and feeling good until horrible WD hit
Feb 5 - Feb 16, 2020 - Paxil 10 mg, adverse reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - reinstated Lexapro 5 mg

Nov 22 - Dec 12, 2020 - transition from pill to homemade liquid

Dec 13, 2020 - 4.7 mg; Jan 3, 2021 - 4.5 mg; Jan 24 - 4.3 mg; Feb 14 - 4.2 mg; March 7 - 4.1 mg

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; CBT & ACT therapy

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Dear @Erellplease hang in there!  My heart goes out to you, it truly does.  I'm experiencing a severe 2 month wave, and I'm gradually coming out of it, I think.  Look at it this way:  to get to the solution on a Rubik's cube, one must turn the cube all kinds of circuitous ways to get there.  Out brains and nervous systems are incredibly complex and multilayered.  So this wave of yours is another crazy turn of the Rubik's cube, but it is putting you one step close to the solution, even though it feels horrible.  I know how hard these waves are.  I'm praying for you.  Jennifer 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

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Xanax. used 0.5 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

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Thank you ! I say this all the time, but I'm always amazed by how kind people are in our community!

 

@Longroadhome : no problem, it is very kind of you to share. 

To be honest, understand English is way easier when written  : when people talk in English, they often do it way too quickly for me 😅

But I'll give it a try.

 

Thank you for your support, it is very appreciate and I find great comfort in your posts.

I'm still in this nasty special wave, but I slept 6 hours last night (!) so I'm taking all good signs and focusing on the sunny side of the street ;) I'm not sure but I think I might be lest restless too today, at least a bit.

Not back to my improved baseline but maybe closer than yesterday :)

 

@Altostrata : I'm wondering if I'm not creating my own issues with my Paroxetine toothpick. You suggested it as short-term possibility, but I ended using it long term because Prozac didnt seem to avoid Paxil Wd symptoms. Wanted to stop it to celebrate this new year but my current strong wave changed my mind. 

I'm wondering if this Paxil toothpick is creating instability (impossible to measure the same dose everyday).

Anyway, my point is I remember that you once mentionned a person that took a Paxil toothpick for months before being able to jump, and even made a paper about it. I've searched on mr google, and on SA but didn't find it. 

If you have a link to provide, I would be very interested to read :)

 

 

Big hugs to all !

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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sunnysideup69
On 1/9/2021 at 4:56 PM, mstimc said:

Hi Erell

Great advice to give yourself!  You really have made progress and no setback can change that!  You'll be in a window before you know it!

 

Peace!

 

I second this. And also, isn't it also always the way that when we look back, we can see we DID in fact make some improvements? Hindsight....

Sending you continued hugs and love. I'm wibbling around a little at the moment, so they are wibbly hugs. Dang, there's so much wierdness in the world at the moment, I think we're all doing absolutely amazingly.

xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Longroadhome
3 hours ago, Erell said:

Thank you ! I say this all the time, but I'm always amazed by how kind people are in our community!

 

@Longroadhome : no problem, it is very kind of you to share. 

To be honest, understand English is way easier when written  : when people talk in English, they often do it way too quickly for me 😅

But I'll give it a try.

 

Thank you for your support, it is very appreciate and I find great comfort in your posts.

I'm still in this nasty special wave, but I slept 6 hours last night (!) so I'm taking all good signs and focusing on the sunny side of the street ;) I'm not sure but I think I might be lest restless too today, at least a bit.

Not back to my improved baseline but maybe closer than yesterday :)

 

@Altostrata : I'm wondering if I'm not creating my own issues with my Paroxetine toothpick. You suggested it as short-term possibility, but I ended using it long term because Prozac didnt seem to avoid Paxil Wd symptoms. Wanted to stop it to celebrate this new year but my current strong wave changed my mind. 

I'm wondering if this Paxil toothpick is creating instability (impossible to measure the same dose everyday).

Anyway, my point is I remember that you once mentionned a person that took a Paxil toothpick for months before being able to jump, and even made a paper about it. I've searched on mr google, and on SA but didn't find it. 

If you have a link to provide, I would be very interested to read :)

 

 

Big hugs to all !


You’re very welcome :) 

Sounds good Erell 

definitely think you’re experiencing a wave . And we all know what happens when the wave calms .. a better baseline so please hang in there. 

“ With peace and in perfect trust, I turn within
and open my heart to the powerful healing presence that guides me through each challenging day."

 

 Baylissa Frederick 
 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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It's this person, Erell.

 

 

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hello dear folks ❤

 

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Venting warning :

 

I hope you'll pardon me, I need to vent a bit and I know that this community understands this kind of moment.

 

Of course no need to reply or even read it, remember take care of yourself first ;)

 

I'm still in this very nasty wave that started I think mid-December. I'm re-discovering symptoms that had faded, like restlessness and the need to jump out of your skin, or huge crying spells coming out of the blue with hopelessness.

And despite focusing on my toolkit and my walks in nature I feel a huge sense of unfairness (which is a bit childish, I know).

 

I feel unfairness because, since my Paxil crash in August 2019, I'm struggling despite trying my best and being careful.

Since 1.5 year I haven't felt myself, or haven't had a real-cut window during a full day. 

Before this strong wave, I was already living in a wave since months. Despite Prozac, I'm struggling.

Don't get me wrong, I know that this is the case for a lot people, and that people sometimes don't see little improvements (like I was lucky to see on better days during this 1.5 year) during a long time. 

And I also know that thoughts like "my case is different" or "my situation is worse, there is something wrong" are lies from my CNS in chaos.

 

It's just that after 1.5 years I'm tired, you know. Really tired, in my body and in my mind. 

And I'm loosing faith these days, or rather strenght. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not listening to SI, definitely not. I'll keep pushing, one day at a time. 

I just need to vent and to say to someone that understand  : I'm tired, I don't have strenght anymore, and I need a big break, like a full day feeling ok. 

 

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@Cigale : thank you for your suggestion to savor the beauty around me. It helped me today. I even took the idea further and spent time hugging a tree...well it was nice !  :)

A lot of birds are singing here these days, I hope you can hear them too !

 

@Longroadhome : thank you, I like it when you share inspirational quotes !

And I like that you mentioned an improved baseline after this wave : that's exactly what I'm telling to my brain ;)

 

Altostrata : thank you for the link !

 

@getofflex : I thank you deeply for your support, and for the Rubiks cube metaphor !

I'm glad to read that you're slowly coming out of a wave. Your slow taper and your determination really are an inspiration, thank you for sharing!

 

@sunnysideup69 : thank you for your support, and for sharing your progress. Even if every journey is unique, we all have times when we need to find comfort in other stories. And I love reading your story of progress after your switch :)

 

@brassmonkey : I'm being curious, and perhaps listening too much to the need to find a rationnal explanation or to understand my current rough "setback".

I've seen some of your posts where you mentionned a "special wave" that often hit people around 8-10 months after jumping to 0.

I was wondering if this theory makes sense in the case of a switch : it's been 8-9 months since I fast tapered Paxil to bridge to Prozac.

(5 months that I'm holding the same Prozac dose).

I'm wondering if I'm suffering from prolonged Paxil WD, a "special nasty 8 months wave", from Prozac. 

Would you agree to share with me your opinion considering all the stories you've seen ? 

 

 

Well, this was a long one !

 

Thank you all for your kindness, I deeply appreciate it ❤☀️

 

 

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Erell, we cant get anything wrong becaus we definitley know and very well what u are complaining.

I want to tell u that u really made me admired of u, your insistence for completing.

We will all stay with u until u feel ok and please put in your mind that the full community of us is pushing u, sending strength and support and wont stop doing so.

 

i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify.

--fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then)

--sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then).

--sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years.

--my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019).

symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization).

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3 hours ago, Erell said:

It's just that after 1.5 years I'm tired, you know. Really tired, in my body and in my mind. 

And I'm loosing faith these days, or rather strenght. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not listening to SI, definitely not. I'll keep pushing, one day at a time. 

I just need to vent and to say to someone that understand  : I'm tired, I don't have strenght anymore, and I need a big break, like a full day feeling ok. 

During WD and recovery, we all reach a point where we've just had enough.  We can't take one more day of anxiety or fear or aches or sleeplessness.  I had many days like that. But each moment offers a new chance for recovery, even a tiny victory.  Even at my worst, I found myself caught up in an inspirational moment--my son playing jazz guitar in junior high school, or a scene from a favorite film.  Slowly those moments became hours, and the hours became days--that's how recovery begins.  Sometimes, the feeling of being at your limit can be the beginning of recovery--just going one more day becomes a victory and proof these feelings won't last forever.  

 

You are in my thoughts--sending you positive thoughts that a window is just around the corner. 

 

 

Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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4 hours ago, Erell said:

I need to vent a bit

My heart goes out to you,Erell.  You are in my thoughts and prayers, and yes we do understand.

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of April 10: 13mgai.  Taper is 31% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Sending you big hugs, @Erell. It is such an exhausting process and venting sometimes really helps.

 

As you say, I know we're all different. But our stories have similarities and that's why I can offer you reassurance and hope.

Likewise, I was all over the place from June 2018 until around Summer 2020. ( Took me a year to make an account for this forum. ) It took a couple of years to really notice any stability coming. I'd think I was noticing it and then it would go again, waves were still too exaggerated to feel like I was really progressing. Wasn't really until late summer 2020 that I could definitely see progress.

Also, going 'cold turkey' on Citalopram and switching to Venlafaxine, it took me a good 13/14 months to settle ( I use the term 'settle very loosely, here) reliably enough to think that tapering would be possible in the future. Recovery since then has crept up on me. My nervous system still tends towards over reactivity.

 

I totally hear you re the exhaustion. It can be especially wearing when we are doing 'all the right things' for recovery. BUT, it will come. 

 

I'm so sorry that you / we all have to go through this.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Longroadhome

((((((((( @Erell )))))))))))

BIG CUDDLE from me to you 

 

i know exactly how you feel. Every one of us going through this  or have been through this do. 
@mstimcdescribes coping perfectly. Caught up in an inspiring moment while in the depths of WD misery. It’s so true look for something in every day that will keep you going until the next day. This is what I do every day. I write myself a to do list that will get me out the house . I don’t want to do anything on the list some days but at the end of each day something will have happened that lightens my mood and I’ll get just a tiny glimpse of normality. 
 

I read your message last night but wanted to take time and thought before replying. 
 

without doubt this will be the hardest thing you’ll  ever had to go through and your biggest triumph when you do.   but to get from one end of the spectrum to the other is a monumental task . 
it defies all logic how we can feel so Ill with so many symptoms. Symptoms that are scary and terrifying and always the thought of “how bad is this going to get?” and scared of waking up each morning not only because of facing another day but wondering what new symptoms may appear and the ones you have feeling as if they are getting worse . The cycle of negative repetition is endless because of not only physical symptoms but  emotional “what if” ones too   .. those of us going through this do “get” you. 

I think in times of burnout it’s best to focus on “today” and not “tomorrow” or “yesterday” because while in WD yesterday and tomorrow are triggers. So instead concentrate your thoughts on today and positive things you can do to fill your day. A walk in the snow (yes it’s snowing here) a hobby such as sewing or painting/drawing, a crossword a puzzle or tidying your room re arranging furniture in your room as this can be a distraction on waking.

 
Its distraction from ourselves and how we are feeling that will take us through each day. 

 


 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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23 hours ago, Erell said:

thank you for your suggestion to savor the beauty around me. It helped me today. I even took the idea further and spent time hugging a tree...well it was nice !  :)

A lot of birds are singing here these days, I hope you can hear them too !

 

Huge hugs my sweet @Erell! Trees and birds are good companions on this journey! I’m thinking of you and hoping for relief and peace my love. 

 

Like you I’m weary of late. But I just try to keep dipping down into my reserves for hope and the will to keep moving through the days seeking light and love to heal my soul. We’re stronger together and we’re healing. I believe in all of us!

 

🤗

2008-2016 - Lexapro 10 mg, tapered to 2.5 mg over one year then CT without issues
Feb 2 - July 24, 2019 - restarted Lexapro 5 mg for insomnia

July 25 - Nov 19, 2019 - Lexapro 10 mg, resulted in increased anxiety and depression
Nov 20 - Dec 11, 2019 - 3-week FT from Lexapro 10 mg to 7.5 mg to 5 mg to 0
Dec 12, 2019 - Feb 4, 2020 - drug-free and feeling good until horrible WD hit
Feb 5 - Feb 16, 2020 - Paxil 10 mg, adverse reaction
Feb 18, 2020 - reinstated Lexapro 5 mg

Nov 22 - Dec 12, 2020 - transition from pill to homemade liquid

Dec 13, 2020 - 4.7 mg; Jan 3, 2021 - 4.5 mg; Jan 24 - 4.3 mg; Feb 14 - 4.2 mg; March 7 - 4.1 mg

 

daily meditation 10-40 minutes, yoga 30 minutes; CBT & ACT therapy

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brassmonkey

"I'm being curious, and perhaps listening too much to the need to find a rationnal explanation or to understand my current rough "setback".

I've seen some of your posts where you mentionned a "special wave" that often hit people around 8-10 months after jumping to 0.

I was wondering if this theory makes sense in the case of a switch : it's been 8-9 months since I fast tapered Paxil to bridge to Prozac.

(5 months that I'm holding the same Prozac dose).

I'm wondering if I'm suffering from prolonged Paxil WD, a "special nasty 8 months wave", from Prozac. 

Would you agree to share with me your opinion considering all the stories you've seen ? "

 

Hi Erell-- I'm sorry to hear that your are struggling so much right now. I think that the unpredictability of the symptoms during WD is one of the hardest things to deal with, along with just how long it takes. The troubling thing is that there is no rational explanation for the ebb and flow of the symptoms. There are so many factors involve that it is hard even to list them. In the end it comes down to the fact that the symptoms will come and go as they see fit and all we can do is accept them and live with them as best as we can, while staying firm in our belief that they will eventually clear up and go away.

 

The Late Breaking Waves as we are trying to call it, are something that can happen for people who have completed a  slow and controlled taper. There are frequently several of them spaced several months apart, with the first usually happening around 8 - 10 months post "0". 

 

People who CT often will have their symptoms follow the Window and Wave pattern. For the first while it is going to be much more Wave than Window. Which can be very disheartening. I don't want to give numbers, but it usually takes quite a bit longer than an individual would like for the Waves to start to fade and the Windows to start to show themselves.

 

When a person does a crossover to another drug it basically involves CTing the first drug and trying to cover up the CT symptoms with another that is easier to taper. Personally, I'm not a big fan because of the CT part of the process. The CT is usually from a very harsh drug, such as paxil, and even though the symptoms are covered up by the new drug the CT has to run it's course just like any other. This means large swings, windows and waves, of symptoms that have to get covered up.

 

Often the new drug can do this, but there will be times when the CT symptoms will break through and dominate for a while. Slowly over time the CT will resolve itself and the symptoms subside. Hopefully this happens at the same rate at which the new drug is being tapered so the person will eventually be free from both drugs. But while that is happening, it is a balancing act, both mentally and physically, to maintain ones "life style" and outlook. When the time is right a persons body will let them know when it is ready to start tapering the new drug.

 

Dealing with the effects of both drugs can be unpredictable and challenging. If one drug is in a window and the other is in a wave they will cancel each other out and the feelings will be neutral. If both happen to be in a window, life is great. But if both are in a wave life will be quite unpleasant for a while.

 

There is a term called "capitulation" that applies directly to this process. I've written several posts about it that you could find with a site search.  Try looking them up, when I get a chance I'll see if I can find one a and repost it here. 

 

(((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Hello 

 

I'm having some issues to put my ideas in order this morning, but before taking the time to answer properly, I wanted to thank you all for your support and kindness !

It really does help me, and when I feel like I'm at my limit I just think about all amazing survivors here and I keep pushing!

Thank you ❤

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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@Erell


Keep going. 


know that the strength that has brought you this far will take you the rest of the way. You made it through yesterday and all the days before, and you will make it through today. All you need to do is deal with whatever unfolds, moment by moment hour by hour, taking things one step at a time.

Trust that your healing is taking place even if it doesn’t feel like it. Everyone eventually gets better. You will too. It is inevitable that one day you notice improvements... evidence that you are recovering. Even if you can’t fathom this happening, you must remain hopeful and patient, and keep in mind that each experience is unique. It is all about timing - and in your case it will be the timing that is best for you.
 

baylissa.com

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Above 

someone posted this on Baylissa Facebook page . I thought you might like it.  

it’s very relevant as it depicts the concept of healing taking place even when not evident. 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Hi @Erell

 

Je t'embrasse bien fort

Tout mon soutien. 

 

L. 

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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Checking in @Erell

thinking of you and hope you are ok x 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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On 1/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, Longroadhome said:

Checking in @Erell

thinking of you and hope you are ok x 

 

Hello :)

 

Thank you for your support !

 

I've felt better Thursday and Friday with a delicious night of sleep and less restlessness and anxiety. I even managed to drive my car without feeling overstimulated and felt less adrenaline rush.

It felt really nice ! 

 

As you can guess I thought this pretty nasty wave was ending ;)

 

Unfortunately, this weekend I felt like I was falling back into the hole, and this acid adrenaline boiling through my veins is back with a vengeance.

 

I'm glad I felt some relief these two days, it helps to catch its breath ;)

 

Oh wow, this switch really hasnt been a promenade !

 

Hugs to all dear folks ❤

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Personally, I'm not a big fan because of the CT part of the process. The CT is usually from a very harsh drug, such as paxil, and even though the symptoms are covered up by the new drug the CT has to run it's course just like any other. This means large swings, windows and waves, of symptoms that have to get covered up

@brassmonkeygood point. Will look into capitulation.

  • I'm a 42 years old male
  • I've got a job in business and economics
  • I'm into sports, animals and nature
  • I started using 20 mg Paroxetine (Paxil) in 2004 for stressrelated anxiety
  • I attempted several times to stop using Paroxetine, starting a few years after 2004
  • I found out in 2015 about paxil withdrawal symptoms and the 5-10% taper
  • I started using liquid Seroxat suspension in 2015/2016
  • From 20 mg to 12 mg, I went down 5-10%
  • From 12 mg down I was forced to take smaller steps (0,2 ml/4-6 weeks)
  • 09/2018 at 5,6 ml (11,2 mg) of Seroxat Suspension fluid
  • 11/2018 Switch back to 5,7 ml (11,4 mg)
  • Started trying the brassmonkey micro-taper method end dec 2018
  • Current dose 5,6 ml (11.2 mg) 4/2021 after >1 year of withdrawal issues (several food sensitivities and conflicts with painkillers, caffein, grapefruit, chocolate etc.)
  • First goal is to reach 10mg (2022)
  • Also reading about bridging/switching to fluoxetine
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@Erell, just checking in to see if you're feeling any better. Glad you had the window, sorry it closed, and hopeful that another opens very soon!

2016 - Zoloft 50 mg for klonopin w/d

Approx. Nov 2017 - successful taper of klonopin; Approx. Jan. 2018 - rapid taper Zoloft over 2 wks - no w/d symptoms; May 2018 - Reinstate 50 mg Zoloft per doctor; Aug 2018 - Rapid taper Zoloft over 3-4 weeks - no w/d symptoms for 1 mo.; Late Oct 2018 - pdoc rx'd 5mg lexapro -took for 1 wk; Early Nov 2018 - Reinstate 25 mg Zoloft; updose to 37.5 on Nov 28, 2018; Nov 30 2018 - returned to 25mg Zoloft upon mod. advice; Dec 9 - Dec10 2018 - 12.5mg zoloft liquid+12.5mg zoloft pill; Dec 11 2018 - 25mg zoloft all liquid; Feb 14 2019 - updosed to 26.25 mg liquid; Mar 6 2019 - updosed to 26.88 mg liquid - new symptoms; Mar 13 2019 - back down to 26.25 mg per mod suggestion

Dose Changes: Dec 2 2019 - 5% to 25mg; Jan 14 2020 - 10% to 22.5 (increase in sxs all month); Mar 10-15? 2020,  accidental updose to 25mg; Mar 22 2020 - back down to 22.5mg; Apr 12 2020 - 2.5% to 21.94mg; Apr 19 2020 - 2.5% to 21.375mg (symptom increase); May 17 2020 - 2.5% to 20.625mg; May 24 2020 - 2.5% to 20.1mg - Jun 14 2020 - noticed uptick in symptoms settled 2 days later - July 10 2020 - onset of wave

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On 1/24/2021 at 9:46 PM, brassmonkey said:

When a person does a crossover to another drug it basically involves CTing the first drug and trying to cover up the CT symptoms with another that is easier to taper. Personally, I'm not a big fan because of the CT part of the process. The CT is usually from a very harsh drug, such as paxil, and even though the symptoms are covered up by the new drug the CT has to run it's course just like any other. This means large swings, windows and waves, of symptoms that have to get covered up.

 

Dang! @brassmonkey, yes, THIS. 

 

@Erell, this above is exactly what I've found and what you are going through. And I can vouch that the windows get better and longer as the CT recedes. What I've found personally, though, is that once our CNS is messed with, even the new drug doesn't bring total relief as it may have once done. However, I want you to know that it's possible to heal....a LOT. I've had spates of actually feeling happy for strings of days over the last couple of months. Still not ready to taper, I'm being super cautious this time.

 

You're not alone. We hear you. Hope you're getting through the day okay. Sending big hugs xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hello !

 

@sunnysideup69 : thank you for sharing your experience with me, it is really helpful 🤗

 

I realise I was living in denial since recently. Because the words PAWS or CT scared me, I didn't realise earlier that I have ct'ed Paxil and that I'm now in intense WD from it. I don't know how to explain it, because I made a switch, I could not identify my case as a CT or a protracted WD.

It might sounds silly but it is what it is :)

 

Now I realise it, and I just hope Fluoxetine is helping somewhat my body to deal with this WD.

 

To be honest, things are really rough. But I had a nicer (a lot nicer!) day last Sunday. Suddenly, my symptoms improved a lot and I spent the day with a smile and an incredible taste of confidence.

Wow that was nice  ☺

This current week has been like falling back in turbulent water and I'm doing my best to keep my head above water.

 

Ok dear folks, here is for my update.

I'm hoping to be able to interact more soon. 

Meanwhile, let me share with you all my love and my support ❤

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Hi @Erell

 

glad you had a better day and wishing with all my heart those days get more frequent for you ❤️
 

I’m  in a wave myself at the moment. Obtrusive thoughts and very high anxiety with depression have come to the forefront. But manageable for  the most part. 
 

keep going and remember every day we are healing even if it doesn’t feel like it . x

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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3 hours ago, Erell said:

To be honest, things are really rough. But I had a nicer (a lot nicer!) day last Sunday. Suddenly, my symptoms improved a lot and I spent the day with a smile and an incredible taste of confidence.

I am so sorry things have been really rough.  Your description of your day last Sunday is what you have to look forward to.  It really sounds like your brain is working hard on stabilizing and you are getting there, that day was a sign of what is to come.

 

Keeping hanging in there, brave Erell.  💗WR

-1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper; withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD)

-10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin
-Tried several times to slowly taper Zoloft by 10%, then 5% every 4-6 weeks; could never get below approx. 40 mg - spring 2012 experienced major WD symptoms due to stress; tried to updose but no relief, back on Klonopin 1 mg.
-Switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to Citalopram. Finished Zoloft 1/13; Citalopram 35 mg and 1 mg Klonopin.
-8/13: 27 mg Citalopram; 1 mg Klonopin

-11/14: 12.6 Citalopram - began to have bad withdrawal symptoms; out of desperation increased to 1.25 mg Klonopin at the beginning of December.  12/13/14 16 mg Citalopram - going to stay here to try to stabilize; stabilized on 16 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

-7/15 - 3/16: reduced to 15 mg; ~ 2 months later w/d hit hard (probably r/t stress); 6/16 updosed to 20 mg Citalopram and trying to stabilize. Updosed to 1.5 Klonopin as well. Stabilized on 20 mg Citalopram after 4-5 months

8/17-9/17: feeling withdrawal symptoms at 20 mg Citalopram (due to stress) - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?)  - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg).

Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin

Citalopram taper:  2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg

2021: 1/3/21: 7.8 mg (1.27% drop); 1/24/21: 7.7 mg (1.29%); 1/31/21: 7.6 mg (1.17%); 2/7/21: 7.5 mg (1.19%); 2/14/21: 7.4 mg (1.34%); 2/28/21: 7.3 mg (1.25%); 3/7/21: 7.2 mg (1.25%); 3/21/21: 7.1 mg (1.25%); 3/28/21: 7.0 mg (1.25%); 4/25/21 - 5/5/21 : generic clonazepam switch; 5/16/21: 6.9 mg (1.25%)

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Hi @Erell

 

All my love and support too. 

 

Bisous😘

 

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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You have so much more to look forward to, lovely @Erell

Am so glad you got some relief, even though it was brief. 

Your brain and nervous system are healing, without a doubt.

Lots of love and support to you, take your time with interactions, do it when it suits YOU. I certainly remember how draining interaction could be, when I was at my worst.

Big hugs xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Hi, Erell,

I’m thinking of you.  I’m really sorry that you are struggling right now, but please know this: it is a big turning point when a person can be in a wave and think “Oh, I made progress before, this is a wave, and I will make progress again.” That is extremely good news!  At that point hope is “sticky;” it is still there DURING the wave.  That’s awesome!
 

It can be very demoralizing to fall back into a wave after seeing progress, I know.  Try to keep that memory of feeling better, and look forward to feeling that again, but it is ok to mourn the loss of that better time, too.  Be kind to yourself right now.  Give yourself space and time to rest.  The good times are ahead.  For now, nurture yourself in any way you can.  
 

Rosetta

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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10 months since Prozac Bridge

6 months holding at 7mg Prozac

 

Hello dear folks

 

I'm currently dealing with a weird symptoms and was wondering if I'm missing something or if someone might have tips.

 

It started this winter suddenly my throat tickles intensely and inhaling intensify the tickles.

It can wake me up during the night, or happens during the day.

My throat isn't painful, and I don't have a lump in my throat.

It just tickles and makes it difficult to inhale.

It seems to come in windows and waves.

 

Covid tests : negatives.

I don't smoke.

Doctors think it might be allergy, or "in my head".

 

I know that histamine issues can be a possibility with Paroxetine wd, but as I never had allergic issues or asthma in my life, I didn't really read about it.

 

As it can be a distressing symptom, and as it can play a role in anxiety (which is one of my main symptom), I started a low histamine diet on January 11 2021.

 

It's now been a month, I'm not seeing improvements, I'll keep going with the diet a few more months to see if it can improve.

 

Meantime, Im struggling with these tickles throat : does someone may recognize this symptom and perhaps have found tips to ease it ?

 

About low histamine diet : when you read testimonies on the internet, people seems to see improvements after 2/3 weeks. But these people are probably not in WD 😉

I'm all ears to hear testimonies of people in this community.

(Will paste this post in the histamine thread too).

 

I know that some recommend vitamin C, or nigella oil or quercetin, but to be honest, as I'm still dealing with high anxiety and restlessness, I haven't tried any new supplements.

 

Thank you in advance ☺

 

And hugs to all ❤🤗

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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  • Mentor

Hi Erell

 

I don't I have a definitive answer, but you can develop allergies just about any time in your life.  I didn't have any until my late teens, and they do tend to come and go, and hit me in different areas.  Mainly its the usual nasal congestion but I sometimes get eye irritation or plugged ears.  Nothing terrible but annoying. 

 

Have you tried something old-fashioned like lemon and honey tea?  I would think that if anything warm and soothing makes it improve, it could indeed be allergies.

 

Take care!

Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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Longroadhome

Hi @Erell

 

You are right about Paxil WD and histamine issues. 
I developed hives at the beginning of WD . Never had hives in my life before. I decided not to take anything for it and it has very gradually (and I mean very gradually) got better. Again like your tickle throat it tied in with window snd wave pattern this being sometimes a little worse than others. 
 

it will get better hang on in there x 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin - 2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin - 2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin - 45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

April 2021   Pregabalin - 18mg,

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

January 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg, April 2.9mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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