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getofflex

@erell, I'm sorry to hear about this. I wish there was something I could do to help.  I'm praying for you.  Please hang in there, and take care of yourself as best as you can.  I believe this will pass.  When I feel very bad I read the success stories, and they always help me.  

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10 

Trazodone.  used 50 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Xanax. used 0.5 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Benadryl 50 mg, Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, multivitamin, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 3 mg, calcium

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I was able to stop my acid reflux meds by raising the top of my bed 6 inches.

It takes some getting used to so some people just start with 2 or 4 inches at a time.

I took three w by 4's and drilled them together and then drilled them into the metal bed frame about 18 inches from the top of the bed. Within 3 weeks all my symptoms had resolved.  Now whenever I sleep in a regular bed it feels very strange but it was worth getting off pepcid and all the health risks associated with long term reflux.  Feel better soon.

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Longroadhome

@Erell

I know this is a frightening time for you and believe me I have been in that dark dark hole twice. The first time I crashed in 2019 and the second occasion in August 2020 when I was tapering two drugs at the same time. 
please believe me when I say it WILL ease. Just  hold with the meds your taking and take one day at a time. It will definitely improve. TIME is what’s needed. 
 

‘My trust and belief in a good outcome allow me to accept that all the challenges I face daily are part of the healing process that leads to recovery’ . 
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keep going 

keep moving forward 

Take one day at a time 

.. and you will make it through xx 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin -  2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin -  2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin -  45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

Jan 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Longroadhome : I always find your words comforting, thank you.

And thank you for mentioning Bloom in Wellness : I didn't know there were Success Stories there too, now I have new stories of healing to read ☺

I agree, every journey are different and the outcome is the same : recovery. I don't doubt recovery, I trust those ahead us.

I'm just exhausted I think : since August 2019 I haven't had a day where I felt ok or good. Just days that were easier to survive, but always survival mode.

I have now forgotten how it feels to just Feel yourself or "ok", being able to take a nap or reading a book relaxed in your couch.

I know I'm not the only one, I know people do recover.

It's more about how staying strong during the long road.

 

 

@mustafa : Im really sorry to read that waves are still shaking you intensely. You are a real example of strenght and I do hope you'll feel relief and more healing soon 🤗

 

@Colonial : thank you very much for sharing your experience ! I don't take acid reflux meds, and I'm glad to read that you don't suffer from it anymore, that's great !

Strangely, acid reflux seem to come in a windows and waves pattern in my case, and while it was huge lately, I don't have it this week 🙏

 

@getofflex : thank you dear, I know it has been a long road for you and I'm so glad you're starting to see the light ❤

 

@mstimc : thank you for your strong support !

Well, to be honest, I prefer lockdown. Don't get me wrong, I won't pretend that a pandemic is positive, not at all.

It's just that with lockdown people put less pressure on me, they are less annoyed when I don't manage to do much.

I don't think I'm anxious about Covid situation, I've lived isolated this year because of WD.

I can imagine how stressfull it might be while "living outside " : Please take good care ❤

And thank you for sharing your wiseness on SA, I often read your posts !

 

@brassmonkey : I'm glad to read that stopping the Toothpick sounds like a possible good idea, at least I'm not making wrong decisions 😉

I keep in mind the suggestion of a "rescue Toothpick".

Thank you. 

And I'm all ears if you have other ideas.

But I understand if it's not the case, I don't think I have many options : I'm probably in protacted Paxil WD after a failed switch, so my best bet is probably to wait.

I'm just shaken and exhausted because 2021 has been very hard so far with new symptoms or intense old ones and I don't manage to build more functionnality.

Tired to be housebound 😉

I often try to think " ok, let's act as if this was my situation for the rest of my life, let's build a life I can live with those symptoms". But despite selfcare routine and forcing every week I don't manage to do much.

When I manage to drive my car a bit or go to the grocery store, it feels huge and perhaps what people call a window ❤

But it doesn't happen often in 2021, and that's what scares me : I'm in the exact situation I was trying to avoid by doing a Prozac bridge, in intense WD from Paxil CT. 

I'm scared because in Success Stories people talk about years after a CT, and I'm sad because after those years of PAWS I'll still have a drug to carefully taper.

 

Anyway, I'm starting to ruminate and give power to negative thoughts here, so I'll better stop here and go to the garden to plant seedlings and  prepare the future 😉

 

Ps : I'm realising I'm writing a lot. Please don't feel like it needs an answer, and thank you for letting me express.

I live with supportive parents, but I find them a bit tired about WD these days, and I'm not sure they are really convinced about WD so I avoid to talk about it.

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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4 hours ago, Erell said:

Well, to be honest, I prefer lockdown. Don't get me wrong, I won't pretend that a pandemic is positive, not at all.

It's just that with lockdown people put less pressure on me, they are less annoyed when I don't manage to do much.

I know what you mean!  I've always been a bit introverted so the isolation doesn't bother me too much.  It would be nice to be able to go to some of the places we would have liked to visit, but other than that it hasn't been too bad.  I do miss our son terribly, but I keep telling myself we'll see him in a few months.

 

And don't worry about writing too much.  Writing can be very therapeutic all by itself.  Keep posting!

 

Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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Longroadhome

@Erell

 

I don’t think any family member really understands WD from these meds. My husbands a good kind man but he can’t listen anymore because he can’t for the life of him understand why  I’m still going through withdrawal 21/2 years after starting my taper . And is even more staggered it’s going to take me another 18 months to be completely free of Paxil. And to be honest neither would I if I were him and he were me. 

 

It’s funny how our mind latches on to negative rather than positive stories .

you talk about years healing from CT and then to start taper .

How do you know this will be true? 
You  don’t none of us do. 
and ok so it may take a while. But look at it in a positive way. You’re first year of switch is almost done ✔️ your second year may bring you stability and you may  be able to start your taper at some point this year because you have not made changes and given your system the stability it needs to start to put things right . 
This is a truth. 
so please don’t be fooled by negative thoughts. 
stability has to come to you because you have and are doing everything right. 
today you have healed that little bit more 

tomorrow will be the same

and the day after ..

You  demonstrate all the right requirements for a survivor of WD and I’m proud of you Erell xx   

 

 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin -  2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin -  2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin -  45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

Jan 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Vegalia

Hi @Erell

 

Il send you all my support.

 

Kisses

 

❤️

 

L

 

2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2  28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 

 

2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg

15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg  25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg

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I didn't thank you earlier, thank you ❤

 

@Longroadhome : I've read and re-read your wise post many times last ten days. I'm grateful (a lot) for your words!

 

@mstimc : oh I bet you might miss your son, good to know you'll hug him soon ! ❤

 

I won't dwell on symptoms too much because Wow March has been and still is pretty dark, and I'm probably in PMS this week which often makes internal restlessness and crazy thoughts worse.

+ while brushing my teeth I suddenly blocked my neck and have now the upper body "blocked" and painfull. Might try to see an ostéopathic pratictionner.

So nothing funny to share.

 

So I'll just share two facts :

 

- one small victory : it Will be two weeks since I stopped the Paroxetine toothpick.

As I'm struggling I have issues to celebrate, but still, two weeks Paxil free, longest time since years 💪☀️

 

- and one fun fact : since I'm on SA, I've never really understood why people insist so much on sleeping in a dark room when dealing with cortisol spikes.

Of course people do sleep in dark room, how would they sleep otherwise ?

This weekend I watched a silly video in USA, and I realised : you people don't have window shutters ?!

In my country, every window has a shutter + curtains.

It makes me laugh : now I understand this thread 😉😄

early-morning-waking-managing-the-morning-cortisol-spike/

 

 

Sending huge hugs to all dear strong survivors ☀️

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Hi @Erell

Very funny the thing about shutters!

It remember me the first time I went in France in 1995. It was the first time of my life I was seeing shutter! 

And I loved that, because I like sleeping in very dark room. 

Have a good day!

Mimi79

2008-2019: various ADs at various doses, initially for anxiety related insomnia.

2015: C/T Paxil - GP switch me to Mirtazapine and Pristiq. 2018: Switched Pristiq to Venlafaxine (For tapering)

2019-01: Stopped Venlafaxine after a 10 months taper. Updosed Mirtazapine to 45mg.

Summer 2019: Fast taper of Mirtazapine. Sept 2019, down to 30mg, hit bad W/D symptoms, so updosed to 45mg.

Tried escitalopram 10mg, C/T after 4 weeks. Tried Buspar, C/T after 5 days.

Jan 2020: Second mirtazapine weaning attempt, but end of january, big wave of symptoms, back to 45mg Mirtazapine.

Feb 2020: 50mg quetiapineXR, CT after 1 week. 21 Feb 2020, found SA and staying on 45mg Mirtazapine, waiting for stabilization.

Quetiapine 25mg  PRN since may 2019, March 2020 stopped.

Mirtazapine taper, from 45mg:  2020-10-21 43.88mg, 10-28 42.75mg, 11-04 41.63mg, 11-11 40.5mg, 11-24 41.6mg, 12-03 42.20mg, updose 2021–01-15 to 42,7 and holding.

Ativan prn since jan 2021. Became accidentally dep. March 2021.
Actually Ativan 0,29mg / 2021-03-30 0.28mg/ 2021-04-08 0.27mg/

Supplements: Magnesium Glycinate, Omega-3, D vit, Probiotic.

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getofflex

@erell I'm so sorry you are going through this wave.  I wish there was more I could do to help.  Please hang in there and don't give up.  Congratulations on being Paroxetine free!  This will get better in time.  We are all thinking about you.  I'm praying for you.  

 

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10 

Trazodone.  used 50 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Xanax. used 0.5 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Benadryl 50 mg, Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, multivitamin, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 3 mg, calcium

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On 3/21/2021 at 1:59 PM, Erell said:

 

I agree, every journey are different and the outcome is the same : recovery. I don't doubt recovery, I trust those ahead us.

I'm just exhausted I think : since August 2019 I haven't had a day where I felt ok or good. Just days that were easier to survive, but always survival mode.

I have now forgotten how it feels to just Feel yourself or "ok", being able to take a nap or reading a book relaxed in your couch.

I know I'm not the only one, I know people do recover.

It's more about how staying strong during the long road.

 

 

Hey Erell, 

I'm also driving the hell road of paxil withdrawal, wd has so many faces and takes so long, its unbearable. The most heavy sympthoms for me are the absence of joy and motivation, (also derealisation and depersonalisation) and sometimes very tired. I'm also struggeling a long time and forgot how it is to live and not think about this hellish withdrawal.

I thought crossover to Clomipramine was a last chance of escape, but nothing works anymore and now I have another medicine to taper :(

Stay strong!
 

1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week
2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct
2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Addition Wellbutrin for 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct
2020/08       Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine upped to 50mg 

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night

2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3

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On 3/31/2021 at 1:00 AM, Erell said:

n my country, every window has a shutter + curtains.

It makes me laugh : now I understand this thread

When we arrived in Portugal, I was surprised to see all the shutters.  They look very much like security shutters in the States, used to prevent burglaries.  I thought I was moving to a place where home burglaries were rampant--LOL!   And I was equally surprised to see almost no homes have screens on the windows--make it hard to keep the bugs out!  In the States, if we have shutters, they're usually made of wood and are on the inside of our windows, used for decoration as well as room darkening. 

Tim C

Started Paxil for GAD in 1999

Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006

Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009

Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety

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sunnysideup69

Hey @Erell,

Sending hugs, catching up on your thread. 

Oh, I wish we had shutters in the UK instead of just curtains. I loved shuttered windows, the room becomes so wonderfully dark.

xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 200mg Magnesium Glycinate

 

 

 

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Rosetta

Dear Erell,

 

I’m thinking of you.  You will get through this.  I know it’s hard, but I’m so glad you are off Paxil!

 

The shutters!  I enjoyed the shutters in Spain very much although in my tiny place I had to climb up on the bed to pull them down.  Sometimes, I found myself staring into the eyes of my neighbor who was hanging out the laundry.  So Awkward!  That type of shutter is called an “overhead door” in the U.S.  Our “shutters” are plantation shutters.  There are two on the window, and they open the same way that “French doors” open — from between the two, and then, we fold them back on either side of the window.  They have horizontal slats that pivot open or closed.  
 

We also have blinds as an alternative — long, horizontal slats on strings hanging from the top the window.  We pull the strings, and they pivot to block the light.  We can pivot them in the other direction to let light in at an angle but still have privacy.  Neither of these block the light as well as the European shutters that we call overhead doors.
 

Hang in there.  Don’t forget Epsom salt baths or make an oil for your skin from Epsom salts.  
 

All my best,

Rosetta

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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Glad I opened the discussion about shutters ! 😄😉

 

On 3/20/2021 at 9:54 PM, brassmonkey said:

 Stopping the daily toothpick is probably a good idea, but if things get really bad you could use a "rescue dose" on the toothpick. Just a once in a while thing to help in the really bad times. That little tiny amount should not cause any problems if used once in a while. We usually don't recommend skipping days to taper but with the toothpick there is not much of an option. Possibly using it every other day for a while and see what happens.

 

For the record, I took (barely) a Paroxetine toothpick this morning after 20 days off.

 

I didn't want to, but things are getting bad : it's not the usual high anxiety, I'm frozen in terror, in a constant sheer dread/doom state and even getting out of my bed or my room is terrifying. 

+ shaking/vibrating internally, lot of bowel mouvements,...

 

I'm a bit lost about how to help best my body. Paxil doesn't seem to leave me, but after one year I don't really have options.

 

One year after a switch to Prozac, What could be my best bet ?

 

(@Altostrata: I'm interested in your opinion, if you agree to share.)

 

☀️

 

Ps : I've talked about homeopathy in recent posts. Haven't tried yet, but decided to buy the suggested remedy.

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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@ErellI'm sad that you are going through such a tough time with this.  I"ll continue to pray for you. 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10 

Trazodone.  used 50 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Xanax. used 0.5 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Benadryl 50 mg, Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, multivitamin, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 3 mg, calcium

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7 hours ago, Erell said:

Ps : I've talked about homeopathy in recent posts. Haven't tried yet, but decided to buy the suggested remedy.

Could you elaborate, whats the remedy is?

 

1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week
2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct
2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Addition Wellbutrin for 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct
2020/08       Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine upped to 50mg 

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night

2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3

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1 hour ago, Fallensoul said:

Could you elaborate, whats the remedy is?

Oh I can't really elaborate : I had a zoom appointment with an homeopath, he is a classically trained unicist homeopath  : those homepath only give one remedy at a time, to see how it affects you.

There are thousands of remedies : if I understood well, they try to understand your "constitutionnal nature" and then suggest the remedy that could fit well with you.

For example, in my case he suggested one remedy, but in your case it would probably be another remedy.

 

I'm not sure it's clear as I don't really believe in this and might try only because it gives a sense of hope.

 

I don't think there are "magical cure" to WD, and I don't want to publicize  homeopathy : I mentionned it to share and to specify that I hadn't added a new supplement.

 

Take care ☺

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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@Erell

 

Bless your heart. I hope this works, as you deserve break!

 

Take care,

 Frogie xx

PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. 

 Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal and Prilosec from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist.

 Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form)

---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine

 Xanax 1mg three times a day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) three times a day to .003 grams three times a day.

19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020)

 

 

I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience.

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Dear @ErellI'm soooo sorry you're going through the terrors.  Unbearable!!  Until you sort out how you want to proceed, I'll share what has worked the best for me when w/d gets this bad.  I force myself to do deep breathing exercises, as I have found it to be the quickest way to lower the cortisol in my blood.  There are a number of videos online demonstrating techniques.  Basically:  Deep, deep inhale.  Hold.  Long exhale.  Repeat until you feel somewhat calmer.

 

Thinking of you--

Arbor

Zoloft: 1995 - 2015

Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on  December 15, 2018

Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019  (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019

Enalapril: 2010 - 2019

Lipitor: 2017 -2017

Metformin: 2000 - 2020

Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019

Levothyroxine: 2000 - 

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I am sorry you're experiencing this, Erell. As you know, in the past I have suggested 7mg Prozac may not be high enough to replace the 10mg paroxetine. I have also suggested increasing diazepam.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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5 hours ago, Altostrata said:

I am sorry you're experiencing this, Erell. As you know, in the past I have suggested 7mg Prozac may not be high enough to replace the 10mg paroxetine. I have also suggested increasing diazepam.

 

Thank you for your answer 🙏

 

You're right :

 

- Diazepam : after your suggestion I increased (in October 2020) my dose two days. I stopped because the two nights were worsening : wake up every 40 minutes with jolts, surge of dread and "gasp for breath", impossibility to sleep.

I supposed that Diazepam wasn't helping and stayed at 1 mg.

 

- Fluoxetine : I remember you suggested an updose to 7.25mg.

After feeling hugely overstimulated with 7.5mg and 8mg (pacing all day, strong harm impulses), I didn't manage to make the move to 7.25mg.

+ I usually have a spike around 5/6pm : as you once mentionned Fluoxetine peak plasma 6/8 hours after ingestion, I was still wondering if I'm taking too much Fluoxetine.

 

Im sorry for my post and your time Alto, I realise that there's no answer.

I was hoping that by holding everything steady and grit my teeth I would eventually feel some relief.

 

Take care.

Edited by Erell

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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@Erell


I know how hard it is to keep going when symptoms are so completely overwhelming

i am sorry for your pain. 
 

Keep moving forward as impossible as it seems keep putting one foot in front of the other.

 

change will come x

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin -  2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin -  2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin -  45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

Jan 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Erell

 

just a thought 

it may be worth you looking at Arti thread. 
He has been suffering so much for a long time. 
He came off Paxil a while ago . 
Good news is he is just starting to have better moments. 
when you start to read his thread you may find it triggers you BUT what you will see is how much he has been through and how he has waited it out, what he has endured,  through to his recent more positive post x

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin -  2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin -  2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin -  45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

Jan 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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Oh my dear sweet Erell 

My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry you have to endure all this pain for such a long period of time. I wish I could offer a solution for you, but unfortunately we are all so different, and what works for one might not work for another.

I am astonished of your endurance and faith. Those are a very unique qualities that define you as a person and you should be so proud of the person you are.  You are my super hero. 
I hope and pray that you will find a solution to ease your pain. You so deserve a break.

My thoughts are with you big hugs sent your way❤️

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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(((Erell)))

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25

2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period

May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born)

2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg

2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction)

2016 - Stopped Xanax

Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft

Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown)

Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone

Drug free since Feb 2017

2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep

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@Erell


‘I am patient as I persevere. I remind myself to keep putting one step in front of the other and celebrate each step for the achievement that it is’ . 
Baylissa.com

 

Erell 
Paxil isn’t going to release us from its grasp with ease. It was always going to be a roller coaster ride not least because of how long we have been on it. And because it is such a powerful drug. 
But here’s the thing.. it CAN be done. 
And we CAN do it. Me and you. 
As impossible and overwhelming as it seems. 
I have your hand. 

October 2004 Paxil 20mg - October 2018, 14 years

Nov 2018 Pregabalin -  2x50 mg a day to help with Paxil WD

August 2019 Pregabalin -  2 x 25mg a day 

April 2020 Pregabalin -  45mg, May 40mg, June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg, Aug 24mg 

October 2018 Paxil - 20 mg, November 15mg, December 10mg  

February 2019 Paxil- 7.5mg crashed, February 8.5mg, Nov 8mg 

March 2020 Paxil - 7.2mg, April 6.5mg, May 5.9mg, June 5.4mg, July 4.8mg, December 4.5mg 

Jan 2021 Paxil - 4mg, February 3.6mg, March 3.2mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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@Erellyou are in my thoughts and prayers.  Hang in there.  I believe it will get better. 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 02 - 10 mg;  Apr 2 20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10 

Trazodone.  used 50 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Xanax. used 0.5 mg once every 4-7 days for sleep, stopped

Benadryl 50 mg, Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, multivitamin, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 3 mg, calcium

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Are you still doing the "toothpicks" of paxil?

 

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Thank you dear survivors, your words are like warm hugs, I screen them ❤❤❤

Arbor : yes I like the deep belly breathing too ☺

 

11 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

Are you still doing the "toothpicks" of paxil?

Hello Brassmonkey,

I hope you're doing ok.

 

- I stopped Paroxetine toothpicks on 17th March 2021.

- I took one "rescue" toothpick on 6th April 2021. I don't think it made a difference.

 

You once wrote that even in case of a failed switch, people might be able to stabilise. I trust the knowledge people have gained and do my best to hang on and wait to stabilise. 

But I have to admit that after one year I often doubt, my baseline and my functionnality doesn't seem to improve, and sometimes I feel like I'm worsening.

I also keep reading Aberdeen's story : it seems that she started to taper even if she was still in the chaos of a first CT. I admire her strenght but don't think I could take the risk to worsen my condition. And it seems that she had a few clear windows before tapering, which is not my case.

 

Take care ☀️

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Erell, we need to do this the old-fashioned way. Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This can show if your symptoms are adverse effects from Prozac.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Erell, we need to do this the old-fashioned way. Please keep daily notes of times of day you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. 

I will. 

Dailynotes are a bit all over the place lately, I'll focus on being more clear next days.

 

Thursday 8th April

 

6.30am woke up with restless legs and "painfull anxiety". Deep breathing + mindfullness songbirds, sweet cloth + EFT.

7.30am breakfast + 1 fishoil capsule. Feeling overwhelmed by dread, shaky.

9.15 am 7mg Fluoxetine.

All morning : feeling overwhelmed by constant dread, "painful anxiety", shaky, feel like I could explode. Try to distract with sudokus, cook a bit. Lot of bowel movements.

11am try TRE exercices for 5 minutes. It seems to help a bit, to smooth a bit my body.

noon eat lunch. Hard because I have the feeling that I don't know how to swallow and I could choke.

(This feeling appeared in July 2020).

2pm still feel like TRE helped a bit to relax my mind and body. 

Go to walk outside. Not easy because the sky and the trees are scary and feels like a "cartoon" (this kind of DR appeared in the beginning of March 2021). But I manage to walk 30-40 minutes and not panic. Feel weird but also surprisingly in a good mood.

afternoon in the garden, still feeling like TRE helped a bit with dread. Feeling highly disconnected, foggy : I plant little seedlings to distract and use my hands.

5pm feel like loosing ground : restlessness, weird feelings inside hard to describe, hot, dread, shaky.

Read Success stories.

6.30pm take a shower to calm down a bit and distract.

7pm 1mg Diazepam

7.30pm eat diner.

Evening dread/physical anxiety seem to lower. But I'm full of crazy thoughts/impulses. In my room, trying to distract with sudokus.

Fall asleep around midnight. Slight anxious sleep with dreams and waking up restless until 6am.

 

 

 

--》 about TRE tre-trauma-releasing-exercises

--》 I follow a low histamine diet but eat everything (meat, cereal, fruits, vegetables, low sugar). I believe I have a healthy diet, my family eat organic food and cook.

I have issues to eat because of fear of choking and difficulty to swallow since July 2020 but I do my best to eat enough.

 

--》 Oct-Nov-Dec : constant struggle but I was able to pinpoint regularly easier minutes/hours and mark them in green in my calendar, and to see very slow improvements in my general baseline or small progress.

Last times I put a "green mark" on my calendar was 1st January and 27 February.

It's like if something has changed since January 2021 : no more feelings of progress, no more regular "ups", appearance of new symptoms, intensity of old ones.

 

Wonder if it's because this fall my body liked the reduction after too much Fluoxetine but now is struggling, or if it's just a shift in my Paroxetine WD.

 

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2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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Dear @Erell

I just wanted to pop in briefly here and tell you that I too have experienced the choking feeling and not being able to swallow food. It has gotten better as time goes on. 
I don’t know you but I genuinely care about your well-being. Your situation is in my opinion a state no one should ever have to endure let alone for a year. I have been there and I totally know what you are going through. I had forgotten about the intensity of wd, and how brutal it is, so again I am so sorry that you are suffering.
I am sure that brass and alto will be able to guide you towards a stabilisation, which should be your primary aim in my opinion.

You will get there🙏

You are an amazing person and my prayers and thoughts are with you always ❤️


 

Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg (current) and stabilised. Holding 

 

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Hi @Erell  Aberdeen was one of my taper buddies, we started at Prior Place together. She had a very rough ride but has been drug free for years now and is doing quite well. Another member you might want to read about is Coldturkmama She CTed paxil the same time I started tapering. She also had a rough ride, paxil CT does that, but is well into recovery now.

 

Were the rescue doses having any affect when you stopped taking them?

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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7 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

Were the rescue doses having any affect when you stopped taking them?

I honestly have no idea : when Altostrata suggested I jump off Paxil late September because I was probably overstimulated by too much Prozac (was taking 0.03mg at this time), I was in such a bad shape I was afraid. So from September 2020 to March 17th 2021 I took a Paxil toothpick every morning.

Might have been a silly idea, but it's done.

I don't think taking it or stopping it really made a difference. 

I stopped making progress and new symptoms appeared since January 2021, and I was still taking the rescue dose then.

 

 

11 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

Aberdeen was one of my taper buddies, we started at Prior Place together. She had a very rough ride but has been drug free for years now and is doing quite well. Another member you might want to read about is Coldturkmama She CTed paxil the same time I started tapering. She also had a rough ride, paxil CT does that, but is well into recovery now

Oh yes, I love reading Coldturkmama's story!

But honestly I'm a bit afraid of the idea of 5/6 years of Paxil Paws while I'm taking Prozac.

I've read a lot of Success Stories from Paxil CT, so I know it can happen and often take years.

But I must confess that I have issues to accept that I might struggle that intensely for years while still taking Prozac. 

 

I'm trying to find stories of people who struggled with drug switches but managed to stabilise eventually.

 

That's why I often read Aberdeen's story : she started to taper the new drug while still being in Paws from her first drug. I would like to regain a bit stability before doing that, but it gives hope ☺

 

 

I'm sorry, I'm not sure my sentences are clear, hope so ☺

 

Oh and Brassmonkey, I hope you're ok on your side, I know this month has been challenging for your loving ones, huge hugs ❤

2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg)

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

April 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details topic/21457-

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :  7mg Fluoxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

+ 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

(Toothpick Paroxetine from September 2020 to 17th March 2021)

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On 4/6/2021 at 4:55 PM, Erell said:

Oh I can't really elaborate : I had a zoom appointment with an homeopath, he is a classically trained unicist homeopath  : those homepath only give one remedy at a time, to see how it affects you.

There are thousands of remedies : if I understood well, they try to understand your "constitutionnal nature" and then suggest the remedy that could fit well with you.

For example, in my case he suggested one remedy, but in your case it would probably be another remedy.

 

I'm not sure it's clear as I don't really believe in this and might try only because it gives a sense of hope.

 

I don't think there are "magical cure" to WD, and I don't want to publicize  homeopathy : I mentionned it to share and to specify that I hadn't added a new supplement.

 

Take care ☺

I know what you mean. I also counseling an orthomoleculair approach by another doctor, but it didn't do much. Drugs and damage by drugs are to strong and to disruptive to treat with a few supplements, time will be our healer though.

 

Take care too, there comes a time this will be over.

1998-2020 Paroxetine 20mg, stopped working 2018/08 tapered down to 6mg now @ 1%/week
2019 /04      Lorazepam 3x1mg, 1x0,5mg night, Lormetazepam 0,5mg night
2019/05       Buspirone addition 3x5mg worked like wonders for one month, stopped ct
2019/12        Mirtazipine, first 2x10mg til 2021/2, no effect, now 3mg for sleep
2020/06       Addition Wellbutrin for 6 weeks, no effect stopped ct
2020/08       Lexapro, trying, to crossover, got crazy from 1 mg/day after 6 days, stopped
2020/11        Clomipramine upped to 50mg 

2021/1         3x1000mg gaba, 3x10mg Lithium Orotate, 3x 1000mg L-Tyrosine,2-3 times 1x400mg magnesium citrate , 2-3 times 1x1000mg vit. C,1x15mg Zinc,

                     3 times 2mg Molybdeen Glycinate, 2 times 2000mg Omgea 3-6-9 and 1x16mg B6 (P5P) 2021/03/17  Gaba, Tyrosine and Lithium orotate to 3x1 tablet.

2021/03/17   Cl 30, P 5,8. 2021/03/20 Cl 28. 2021/03/23 M 2,7. 2021/03/25 M 2,6, Cl 26, P 5,7. 2021/03/28 Cl 25. 2021/04/1 P 5,6. 2021/04/07 Cl 24,P 5,5. 2021/04/08 Cl 23,5. 2021/04/13 P5,4

2021/03/26  Lor 3x0,9, 1x0,45 night, Lorm 0,45night

2021/04/13 CL 23, M 2,5. 2021/04/16 Cl 22,5, P 5,3

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