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Hi, 

 

Thanks for popping over to my thread. Sorry you’re going through such a big wave, I hope it subsides soon. Glad to hear that you’re giving yourself some self care, we need lots of that in withdrawals.

 

Keep filling up that empty tank.💚

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Been on APs, benzos, ADs and opiates, for chronic pain. Had Akathisia in the past that made me suicidal. Still on Seroquel. 2019:➡️ March10=7.25mg ✔️ April17=7.0✔️ June5=6.75✔️ July14=6.50✔️ Aug28=6.25✔️ Oct10=6.20  ✔️ Oct21=6.0✔️ Dec16=5.80 ✔️ 2020➡️ Jan 21=5.60 ✔️ April2=5.40 ✔️ May29=5.20 ✔️ Aug14= 5.0 ✔️Sep29=4.80✔️2021➡️ Jan31=4.60 mg✔️ April24=4.40mg✔️Jul17=4.30mg ✔️ Aug 28=4.20 ✔️ Oct 11=4.15✔️Nov1=4.10 ✔️ Nov21= 4.05✔️ Dec13= 4mg ✔️2022 ➡️ Jan8=3.95✔️ Jan31=3.90✔️ March2=3.85 ✔️ April4=3.80 ✔️ June16=3.75✔️ July26=3.70✔️ Sep2=3.65✔️ Oct21=3.60 ✔️ Dec8=3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️ March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Hi

How are you doing, we miss the glasgae sense of humour.

 

Sassenach

 

 

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Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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Hi , how are you doing?

 

Rich

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 = medication taken now

2007 quetiapine to March 2019 200mg

2019 quetiapine March to present 225mg 

2007 citalopram to present 40mg 
2018 March Abilify 5mg  
2019 Abilify February rapid taper over 3 weeks from 5mg to off

2019 March Clonazepam as required, taken very occasionally, then taken 0.5mg for 2 days 28th and 29th March, now phased out

2019 1st April reinstated Abilify 0.5mg / day 

2018 to 2020 Liquid B12 2g twice daily (diagnosed B12 deficiency) 

2020 July reduced quetiapine to 200mg

2022 October began taper of Abilify
 

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On 7/4/2019 at 11:52 PM, RichT said:

Hi Ruth, how are you doing?

 

Rich

Hello Rich and all,

I know, I dropped off the face of the earth for a while here.

 

I'm doing much better, in fact, I'm feeling better than I have in about a year, to be honest.

However, I took the decision to updose on June 12th, and I in fact increased to 20mg Citalopram. After some intermittent side effects in weeks 2 and 3, am feeling much better than I have done for a year.

I have a theory that the acupuncture really destabilised me- just wasn't the right kind of treatment for me at this time. Lesson learned. When I asked her what she'd been treating, she reeled off a long list of things....when I'd asked for calming/stabilising. I think she was a bit 'needle heavy' for what my system can tolerate. However, am still grateful for the experience, as it has taught me that just because something is 'complementary', does not necessarily make it appropriate for me.

Got no immediate plans to taper, gonna stay put for a year minimum at this dose, and also sort out my hormones. Tapering will happen at some point but for now, concentrating on adding some fun, getting back into fitness and healthy eating to make a stable physiological base.

 

Sending you all lots of love and best wishes, I will be back, and am dropping in often just to read how you all doing xxxxxxxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Hi , 

 

Glad you're feeling better. You always have time to come off meds slowly and safely. At least you know the ropes now! Wishing you the best 

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Celexa 10mg: 2007 to June 2018, stopped CT

No meds: June 2018 to December 2018

PROTRACTED WD-- major depressive episode for 2+ weeks

Lexapro 10mg: December 12, 2018 to January 19, 2019, severe adverse reaction

Celexa 10mg: January 20, 2019

June 24, 2019: 9mg

July 22, 2019: 8.5mg

Jan 8, 2020: 8mg

Aug 25, 2020: 7.2mg

 

Supplements: Magnesium, Fish Oil

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Thank you, Happiness! Exactly. I'm still planning on eventually coming off. Not at the moment though...

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Also want to add this.......

 

I have stopped with the acupuncture. Haven't had a treatment now in a month. The final treatment I had was nice, relaxing, but I still think the preceeding 9 or so actually knocked me off balance a bit. Acupuncturist seemed to use a LOT of needles, and was really keen on the moxxa, and I spoke to her about this and even sent her some links from this site. I personally think she was trying to address too many things and the treatment was too stimulating. She half-admitted to this. So I'm now really relying on myself and my own nervous system to stabilise.

As I said, I'm dfeinitely feeling better, although am not totally back to myself. I am easily fatigued. Am also dealing with being two years post menopause and wondering whether some HRT might also help with anxiety...mods, are there any links to HRT that you'd recommend.

 

Also wanna say thank you for all the support here. Just having the comraderie of people here has really helped, and will still be hanging around.

xxx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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hormone-therapy

 

* NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA *

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:  (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq  on 13th November 2021

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

Post 0 updates start here    My tapering program     My Intro (goes to tapering graph)

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

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On 7/14/2019 at 7:09 AM, Ruthmcg said:

sort out my hormones

 

Hi

 

If you can do the above you will soon be a millionnaire🤣

I am glad to hear you are feeling better.

I do sometimes think our bodies know best and heal as fast as they can.

It seems to be an unfortunate fact that W/D upsets responses to the point that predicting the outcome of treatments becomes impossible.

I respect your decision to become fully stable and use that time for your own benefit.

I am hoping to do the same and getting there slowly.

Nice to see you back.

 

Sassenach

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updated new member name in text box

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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On 7/16/2019 at 12:43 AM, ChessieCat said:

There are many existing topics on this site.  You can either use the site search function or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

hormone-therapy

 

Thanks Chessiecat :)

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sassenach said:

 

Hi Ruth

 

If you can do the above you will soon be a millionnaire🤣

 

 

 

Ha! Ain't that the truth.

Nice to be back, shall be checking how you all are doing 

:)

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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On 7/15/2019 at 10:00 AM, Ruthmcg said:

Also want to add this.......

 

I have stopped with the acupuncture. Haven't had a treatment now in a month. The final treatment I had was nice, relaxing, but I still think the preceeding 9 or so actually knocked me off balance a bit. Acupuncturist seemed to use a LOT of needles, and was really keen on the moxxa, and I spoke to her about this and even sent her some links from this site. I personally think she was trying to address too many things and the treatment was too stimulating. She half-admitted to this. So I'm now really relying on myself and my own nervous system to stabilise.

As I said, I'm dfeinitely feeling better, although am not totally back to myself. I am easily fatigued. Am also dealing with being two years post menopause and wondering whether some HRT might also help with anxiety...mods, are there any links to HRT that you'd recommend.

 

Also wanna say thank you for all the support here. Just having the comraderie of people here has really helped, and will still be hanging around.

xxx

 

I’m Glad you’re feeling better Ruth. Time is your ally now!

 

warmest wishes

 

rich

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updated new member name in text box

 = medication taken now

2007 quetiapine to March 2019 200mg

2019 quetiapine March to present 225mg 

2007 citalopram to present 40mg 
2018 March Abilify 5mg  
2019 Abilify February rapid taper over 3 weeks from 5mg to off

2019 March Clonazepam as required, taken very occasionally, then taken 0.5mg for 2 days 28th and 29th March, now phased out

2019 1st April reinstated Abilify 0.5mg / day 

2018 to 2020 Liquid B12 2g twice daily (diagnosed B12 deficiency) 

2020 July reduced quetiapine to 200mg

2022 October began taper of Abilify
 

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Hi

I see you are still  an

insomniac

Sassanach

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name removed

Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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@RichT

Thanks, time most definitely is the healer here, and as @Sassenach said, think I've learned from this episode that sometimes it's better to leave your body alone to do its thing. Just because something is 'complementary' or 'alternative', doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be helpful.

 

Also been wondering whether, if I'd just stopped the acupuncture, I would have felt better. I've attributed feeling better to the updose, but possibly that's not the case.

Anyway, too late now. It's done and I take responsibility for that decision.

We're all just doing the best we can really.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Ruth

I see you are still  an

insomniac

Sassanach

 

Haha, up at 5 30 today- that was a half hour lie in for me! 

Off to work in a mo. Have a good day xx

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Glad your feeling better.....hopefully it continues for you. 

 

Eveb though your feeling a lot better be careful not to push yourself until your sure your stable as you your body can still be very fragile.

 

You can definitely keep your 5.30 starts though! Hope it’s not much of a commute for you.

20mg Lexapro 2007

10mg Lexapro 2012

Started tapering approx (October 2017) 12 months ago  from 10mg to 9mg then 8 then 7 then 6 then 5 then 4 then 3.

Held for approx 4 to 6 weeks min on each reduction.

Hit severe symptoms (started 7th Nov) after dropping to 3mg. Dropped to 3mg approx 22nd October.

Back to 4mg (7th November) and stabilising. Current symptoms started 23rd November 2018

Used diazepam (2018) 10mg 10th Nov, 5mg 11th Nov, 2.5mg 12 Nov, 2mg 13th Nov.

Used diazepam 10mg 24th Nov, 7.5 25th Nov and 5mg 26th November 2018

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Good morning from a rainy Scotland

Sounds as though you are doing ok -on you're up dose.

Back to work as well good on you

Need to chat properly sometime  I could pick your brains.

Have a good day

Sassanach

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Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018

Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018

Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018

Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs.

Updosed  8March to 5mgs and holding

25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner

If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum:rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, Sassenach said:

Good morning Ruth from a rainy Scotland

Sounds as though you are doing ok -on you're up dose.

Back to work as well good on you

Need to chat properly sometime  I could pick your brains.

Have a good day

Sassanach

Yeah, I think the updose isn't creating too much disturbance, although I am now thinking I should have stopped the acupuncture and waited to see what happened BEFORE updosing. I did both at the same time....must remember, one thing at a time!

Have a sneaky feeling that stopping the acupuncture may have actually done the trick ie let my system settle.

Anyway, it's done now.

Sure thing Sassenach, chat +message when you can, will surely help if I can.

We've got weird weather in the smoke. Thundersun. Bizarre.

Chat soon.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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On 7/18/2019 at 8:14 AM, Tom37 said:

Glad your feeling better.....hopefully it continues for you. 

 

Eveb though your feeling a lot better be careful not to push yourself until your sure your stable as you your body can still be very fragile.

 

You can definitely keep your 5.30 starts though! Hope it’s not much of a commute for you.

Thanks.Tom.

I'm wobbling a little bit, but nowhere near as badly as before.

Thanks for the reminder though, I really do need to slow myself.down a bit. It was a big updose and Immnot kidding myself that it will have made an impact. Gonna be sitting at this one for at least a year, if not two. The last two have been so crap, mood wise, that I just need some kind of normality, even if it's a drugged normality. I know that I'm not stable because my sleep is still a bit erratic, am having weird dreams and occasionally getting kind of upset over little things. I'm 50, and my very broad aim is to slowly wean off this decade.

Have a good day and thanks for the good wishes 😊

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Quick update, since last post have wobbled around a bit since updosing. But nothing severe like May. A mixture of good and bad days in the week, but still functional.

However, am still clearly fragile, quite easily triggered and waves of fatigue.

Also some delightful diarrhoea about 5 weeks into updosing, which carried on intermittently for two weeks. I'm positive it wasn't a bug, checked with gp who of course said it was. Not convinced.

 

Luckily am on school summer holidays, so, plenty of time to rest. When I go back, I will be doing a 3 day working week. Have dropped the half a day counselling. Really need to focus upon my own healing at the moment and make sure I am stable.

 

Have been home to see parents for a few days, and that has been really nice, very relaxing, nice to be cooked for.

I definitely feel better when I have some people contact....I was isolating a bit in London. I love and need lots of solitary time, but it's not so great when in the throes of anxiety/depression.

 

Was also posting to ask if anyone here has experience of taking Immodium whilst on antideps. I did, a couple weeks ago when my stomach was dodgy, and it made me feel really weird, shaky and wobbly. The pharmacist said it was fine to take whilst on antideps, but it felt really odd. Went online and it says that people sometimes abuse it as it works on opioid receptors (in the stomach). Anyone else had strange effect? 

 

Hope you're all faring well x

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Some members have mentioned using them.  I suggest you do a site search (or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to your search term) for Imodium and also try Loperamide.

* NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA *

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:  (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq  on 13th November 2021

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

Post 0 updates start here    My tapering program     My Intro (goes to tapering graph)

 VIDEO:   Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

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On 8/9/2019 at 8:16 AM, ChessieCat said:

Some members have mentioned using them.  I suggest you do a site search (or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to your search term) for Imodium and also try Loperamide.

 

Coll, thanks ChessieCat

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 3:02 AM, Ruthmcg said:

Quick update, since last post have wobbled around a bit since updosing. But nothing severe like May. A mixture of good and bad days in the week, but still functional.

However, am still clearly fragile, quite easily triggered and waves of fatigue.

Also some delightful diarrhoea about 5 weeks into updosing, which carried on intermittently for two weeks. I'm positive it wasn't a bug, checked with gp who of course said it was. Not convinced.

 

Luckily am on school summer holidays, so, plenty of time to rest. When I go back, I will be doing a 3 day working week. Have dropped the half a day counselling. Really need to focus upon my own healing at the moment and make sure I am stable.

 

Have been home to see parents for a few days, and that has been really nice, very relaxing, nice to be cooked for.

I definitely feel better when I have some people contact....I was isolating a bit in London. I love and need lots of solitary time, but it's not so great when in the throes of anxiety/depression.

 

Was also posting to ask if anyone here has experience of taking Immodium whilst on antideps. I did, a couple weeks ago when my stomach was dodgy, and it made me feel really weird, shaky and wobbly. The pharmacist said it was fine to take whilst on antideps, but it felt really odd. Went online and it says that people sometimes abuse it as it works on opioid receptors (in the stomach). Anyone else had strange effect? 

 

Hope you're all faring well x

 

‘Hi SunnySide,

 

nice to hear you've been feeling better than you were in May.

 

mod note:  end of member sunnysideup69's first introduction, titled: how soon should I consider weaning off re-weaning off citalopram

 

I’ve used Imodium while on citalopram and quetiapine without any problems.

 

warmest wishes,

 

Rich

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last post in 1st introduction, prior to merging (MMT), updated new username in textbox (Shep)

 = medication taken now

2007 quetiapine to March 2019 200mg

2019 quetiapine March to present 225mg 

2007 citalopram to present 40mg 
2018 March Abilify 5mg  
2019 Abilify February rapid taper over 3 weeks from 5mg to off

2019 March Clonazepam as required, taken very occasionally, then taken 0.5mg for 2 days 28th and 29th March, now phased out

2019 1st April reinstated Abilify 0.5mg / day 

2018 to 2020 Liquid B12 2g twice daily (diagnosed B12 deficiency) 

2020 July reduced quetiapine to 200mg

2022 October began taper of Abilify
 

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mod note:  start of members 2nd introduction, now merged with first,  new title:  what can I do to stabilize on venlafaxine

 

Hi there,

Am hoping you can advise me.

I have made a bit of a boo boo, I think.

To cut a very long story short, have been on and off citalopram since 2008, tapered up and down, usually jumps of 5mg at a time.

In the winter of 2017 I had gotten down to 5mg. Foolishly, I dabbled in alcohol and recreational drugs at that time and caused a fairly major wobble, which then righted itself. Did the same in May 2018 and that time it didn't. I then wobbled around at various doses of citaolpram until finally titrating up to 20mg  this year, but it gave me really bad diarrhoea and unlike when I've taken it before, just seemed to turn me into a zombie with occasional anxiety and panic.

I assumed the problem was the drug and so switched to Venlafaxine 75mg XR in August this year. However, it's been 6 weeks and I'm not yet stable. Mostly, I have anxiety which is worse in the mornings and gradually eases through the day. GP and psych are saying I need an updose, but my hunch is that I probably need to hold and wait for stability, being as I've been all over the place with drugs over the last 18 months.

I'm wondering what you would recommend? I'm nowhere near thinking about tapering, but I know your site is big on stabilisation so any thoughts appreciated.

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January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Welcome to SA, sunnysideup69.

 

It sounds like you're dealing with withdrawal from the Citalopram.  Every time you stop and restart a drug, as well as changing doses, sensitizes the system more and more each time you make a change.  This is known as kindling.  Drugs and doses that worked before fail to work and even have negative effects.  

 

 
 
Anxiety in the morning that gradually eases, known as cortisol spikes, is a common withdrawal symptom.  Do you have other symptoms?
 
What is your daily symptom pattern now? Do you feel better or worse in the hours after you take Venlafaxine? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right.  Please post this here in your Introductory topic for several days.
 
This is an example:

 

6 a.m. Woke with anxiety
8 a.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
10 a.m. Stomach is upset
10:30 a.m. Ate breakfast
11:35 a.m. Got a headache, lasted one hour
12:35 p.m. Ate lunch
4 p.m. Feel a bit better
5 p.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
6 p.m. Ate dinner
9:20 p.m. Headache
10:00 p.m. Took 50mg Seroquel
10:20 p.m. Feeling dizzy
10:30 p.m. Fell asleep
2:30 a.m. Woke, took 3mg Ambien (NOT "took 1/2 tablet Ambien")
2:45 a.m. Fell asleep
4:30 a.m. Woke but got back to sleep
 
As you said, you've made many changes over the past several months, and we recommend holding where you are at 75mg and stabilize there.  This will give us an opportunity to see how you are reacting to that dosage through your daily symptom pattern entries.  Six weeks is not a long time in terms of stabilizing, especially given your previous history with Citalopram.
 
We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.
 
This is your Introductory topic, where you can answer my questions, post your daily symptom notes and ask your own questions.  We're glad you found your way here.
 
 

 
 
 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of Feb. 22: 7.6mg

Taper is 90% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, anti-candida, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Hello Sunnysideup

I presume you already know but I would hardly recommand To completely stop alcohol. Every time I have drunk alcohol during my benzo WD, every time I loose time because of strong symptoms.

 

I'm telling you without jugements, I made this mistake in the past too. 

Quitting entirely alcohol when you're on meds is a very very important thing To do for your health. Same thing with recreative drugs.

 

Have a good night.

2006 : 20mg Paxil+Bromazepam. 2008 : cold turkey of both. 2010 : Reinstatement 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam.

2014-June2017 : Switch from Bromazepam to Prazepam, slow taper to 0mg.

2018 to August 2019 : Paxil 20mg taper (3% every 15 days). 22 Aug 2019 updose to 10mg (was at 8.4mg).

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paxil. 

April 2020 : Paxil 10mg to Prozac 7mg bridge. Details topic/21457

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate + fish oil

Current medication :

* 7pm Diazepam  : 0.85mg (15 Aug 2022) / 0.95 mg (24 April 2022) / 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

* 8am Prozac : 6.16mg (25 oct 2022, feel awful, slight updose) / 6.08 mg (9 oct 2022) / 6.24mg (11 July 22) / 6.44mg (22 May 22) / 6.64mg (4 Nov 21) / 6.72mg (8 oct 21) / 6.8 mg (15 Sept 21)6.88mg (14 Aug 21)/ 6.92mg (23 Jun 21)

 

I am not a professional, I don't give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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@Gridley, great, thank you, will keep a note of my symptoms over the next few days. Had a decent day today, and I do feel some 'lift' from the Venlafaxine. Also, how do I do my drug signature please?

 

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Hello Sunnysideup

I presume you already know but I would hardly recommand To completely stop alcohol. Every time I have drunk alcohol during my benzo WD, every time I loose time because of strong symptoms.

 

I'm telling you without jugements, I made this mistake in the past too. 

Quitting entirely alcohol when you're on meds is a very very important thing To do for your health. Same thing with recreative drugs.

 

Have a good night.

 

 

Thanks Erell,

I know, it was really stupid. I have stopped alcohol completely since April. Even one glass of wine was making me feel depressed. And as for anything else....no way am I gonna chance it again. Am going to concentrate on getting better and then holding for a very very long time.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Also, how do I do my drug signature please?

 

 

To give members the best information, we ask them to summarize their medication history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly.  A list is a good format rather than paragraphs.  Use the following link:
 
 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of Feb. 22: 7.6mg

Taper is 90% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, anti-candida, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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@Gridley feeling a bit scared now....do you think it's possible to stabilise on the Venlafaxine, even though I didn't on the Citalopram? Feeling worried that I've done some permanent damage, now. Also, I'm not young ....I'm 50. Hoping it's still possible to recover.

 

I'm due back at work in the next couple of weeks, I work part time so it's not too heavy, three days per week. Had to take time out because the first two weeks of the switch to Venlafaxine was rough....I was very agitated, thankfully that has gone now. Now I have plain old anxiety, on and off.

Anyway, I will keep my notes for the next few days. Thank you.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

do you think it's possible to stabilise on the Venlafaxine,

Yes, I think you can.  Just give it time and make no changes. The plain old anxiety is a typical withdrawal symptom caused by destabilization from all the changes you made.  It too will stabilize in time.  The damage is not permanent.  The brain has remarkable abilities to heal itself, known as neuroplasticity.

 

Healing from antidepressants: The power of neuroplasticity video (7.5 minutes)

 

Take a look at my first post to you about magnesium and omegas.  The have a calming effect.  Epsom salt baths are also calming.

 

Here are some techniques that are helpful in coping with anxiety:

 


Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis

 

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of Feb. 22: 7.6mg

Taper is 90% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, anti-candida, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Daily notes for 27/09/19, I should say this was a pretty good day for me, has made me feel more hopeful

 

 

5 30 woke with low anxiety

7 10 took Venlafaxine

7 25 ate breakfast

7 50 2200mg fish oil plus 150mg magnesium citrate

8 10 ice cold chills for about 5 minutes

8 15 warm bath with Epsom salts

8 50 slightly jittery, lasted ten minutes

9 30 ice cold chills again 5 minutes

11 00 sudden burst of happiness, then back to neutral

*All morning* low grade anxiety, very conscious of thoughts and how I feel

 

12 30 lunch

12 40 low anxiety because I have to call boss this pm

15 00 took a nap for half an hour

18 00 ate evening meal

21 00 screens off

21 30 really sleepy, went to bed

23 30 woke to use bathroom

*All afternoon* have gradually slipped into feeling normal, not constantly monitoring thoughts and feelings, just engaged in life.

 

Will be continued .....

 

 

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Another good day today....wow, I might be detecting a shift.....

Saturday 28th September   daily notes

 

3 45 am woke from intense dream, fell back to sleep immediately

 

4 30am woke too early but no anxiety

 

6am low anxiety, slight headache, ate breakfast

6 45 took 2200mg fish oil 150mg mag citrate, had epsom salts bath

7 00 took venlafaxine 75mg xr

7 20 slight anxiety beginning to rise

8 am headache gone but got body jitters

8 30 leave to go to Park Run some anxiety, fluttery heart

9 am did 5k park run, every now and again felt slight dizziness so had to slow down

10 am endorphins kicking in and i feel elated, also anxiety has been much better this morning

 

13 00 ate lunch and felt really relaxed, anxiety gone, just engaged in eating and listening to music, persisted all afternoon

18 00 hours slight fatigue but still feeling good, no strange dips in mood today

18 00 ate evening meal

 

will continue this tomorrow, .....

 

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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Whouah what a terrific news! So happy you can relax in your day! 😄

Enjoy it ! :)

 

2006 : 20mg Paxil+Bromazepam. 2008 : cold turkey of both. 2010 : Reinstatement 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam.

2014-June2017 : Switch from Bromazepam to Prazepam, slow taper to 0mg.

2018 to August 2019 : Paxil 20mg taper (3% every 15 days). 22 Aug 2019 updose to 10mg (was at 8.4mg).

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paxil. 

April 2020 : Paxil 10mg to Prozac 7mg bridge. Details topic/21457

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate + fish oil

Current medication :

* 7pm Diazepam  : 0.85mg (15 Aug 2022) / 0.95 mg (24 April 2022) / 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

* 8am Prozac : 6.16mg (25 oct 2022, feel awful, slight updose) / 6.08 mg (9 oct 2022) / 6.24mg (11 July 22) / 6.44mg (22 May 22) / 6.64mg (4 Nov 21) / 6.72mg (8 oct 21) / 6.8 mg (15 Sept 21)6.88mg (14 Aug 21)/ 6.92mg (23 Jun 21)

 

I am not a professional, I don't give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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1 hour ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Another good day today....wow, I might be detecting a shift.....

That's great news, sunnysideup!

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of Feb. 22: 7.6mg

Taper is 90% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, anti-candida, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Forgot to add to Saturday 28th that I went to bed at 10 20pm and slept straight through. Will do today's notes, tomorrow.

@Erell and @Gridley, thank you!  Cautiously reporting that I've had three increasingly good days. Cautious because I know this doesn't mean I'm stable. My third week on Venlafaxine was also good, and I crashed the next week BUT this run of good does feel lighter, and it's making me believe that I can stabilise.

 

Gonna keep the notes up for a week. I'll be here for the long haul anyway because after the changes of med over the last 18 months, I know I'm not ready to taper for a good while.

 

I'm booked for a massage this morning and am gonna ask the masseur to be really gentle and give a relaxing treatment. Tried acupuncture before and it was just too much.

January 2008 to April 2015 Citalopram 20mg to 5mg, reducing in 50 per cent leaps. Jumped off at 5mg

March 2016 used MDMA triggered setback

April 2016 Citalopram 10mg October 2016 cut to 5mg, May 2017 cut to 2.5mg

May 2018 used MDMA triggered setback

June 2018 Citalopram 2.5mg up to 10mg, then back to 5mg

July/ August 2018 7.5mg, then 10mg

June 2019 updosed to 20mg Citalopram

August 2019 cold switch to Venlafaxine 75mg XR

Supplements; 1100mg fish oil daily; also 100mg Magnesium Glycinate. Tried Vagifem 10mcg from mid May 2021 to mid June 2021; caused depression, so stopped.

 

 

 

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