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Carmie

Hi, 

 

Thanks for popping over to my thread. Sorry you’re going through such a big wave, I hope it subsides soon. Glad to hear that you’re giving yourself some self care, we need lots of that in withdrawals.

 

Keep filling up that empty tank.💚

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Sassenach

Hi

How are you doing, we miss the glasgae sense of humour.

 

Sassenach

 

 

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Hi , how are you doing?

 

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On 7/4/2019 at 11:52 PM, RichT said:

Hi Ruth, how are you doing?

 

Rich

Hello Rich and all,

I know, I dropped off the face of the earth for a while here.

 

I'm doing much better, in fact, I'm feeling better than I have in about a year, to be honest.

However, I took the decision to updose on June 12th, and I in fact increased to 20mg Citalopram. After some intermittent side effects in weeks 2 and 3, am feeling much better than I have done for a year.

I have a theory that the acupuncture really destabilised me- just wasn't the right kind of treatment for me at this time. Lesson learned. When I asked her what she'd been treating, she reeled off a long list of things....when I'd asked for calming/stabilising. I think she was a bit 'needle heavy' for what my system can tolerate. However, am still grateful for the experience, as it has taught me that just because something is 'complementary', does not necessarily make it appropriate for me.

Got no immediate plans to taper, gonna stay put for a year minimum at this dose, and also sort out my hormones. Tapering will happen at some point but for now, concentrating on adding some fun, getting back into fitness and healthy eating to make a stable physiological base.

 

Sending you all lots of love and best wishes, I will be back, and am dropping in often just to read how you all doing xxxxxxxx

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puthappinessfirst

Hi , 

 

Glad you're feeling better. You always have time to come off meds slowly and safely. At least you know the ropes now! Wishing you the best 

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Thank you, Happiness! Exactly. I'm still planning on eventually coming off. Not at the moment though...

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Also want to add this.......

 

I have stopped with the acupuncture. Haven't had a treatment now in a month. The final treatment I had was nice, relaxing, but I still think the preceeding 9 or so actually knocked me off balance a bit. Acupuncturist seemed to use a LOT of needles, and was really keen on the moxxa, and I spoke to her about this and even sent her some links from this site. I personally think she was trying to address too many things and the treatment was too stimulating. She half-admitted to this. So I'm now really relying on myself and my own nervous system to stabilise.

As I said, I'm dfeinitely feeling better, although am not totally back to myself. I am easily fatigued. Am also dealing with being two years post menopause and wondering whether some HRT might also help with anxiety...mods, are there any links to HRT that you'd recommend.

 

Also wanna say thank you for all the support here. Just having the comraderie of people here has really helped, and will still be hanging around.

xxx

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ChessieCat

There are many existing topics on this site.  You can either use the site search function or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

hormone-therapy

 

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Sassenach
On 7/14/2019 at 7:09 AM, Ruthmcg said:

sort out my hormones

 

Hi

 

If you can do the above you will soon be a millionnaire🤣

I am glad to hear you are feeling better.

I do sometimes think our bodies know best and heal as fast as they can.

It seems to be an unfortunate fact that W/D upsets responses to the point that predicting the outcome of treatments becomes impossible.

I respect your decision to become fully stable and use that time for your own benefit.

I am hoping to do the same and getting there slowly.

Nice to see you back.

 

Sassenach

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On 7/16/2019 at 12:43 AM, ChessieCat said:

There are many existing topics on this site.  You can either use the site search function or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.

 

hormone-therapy

 

Thanks Chessiecat :)

 

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1 hour ago, Sassenach said:

 

Hi Ruth

 

If you can do the above you will soon be a millionnaire🤣

 

 

 

Ha! Ain't that the truth.

Nice to be back, shall be checking how you all are doing 

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RichT
On 7/15/2019 at 10:00 AM, Ruthmcg said:

Also want to add this.......

 

I have stopped with the acupuncture. Haven't had a treatment now in a month. The final treatment I had was nice, relaxing, but I still think the preceeding 9 or so actually knocked me off balance a bit. Acupuncturist seemed to use a LOT of needles, and was really keen on the moxxa, and I spoke to her about this and even sent her some links from this site. I personally think she was trying to address too many things and the treatment was too stimulating. She half-admitted to this. So I'm now really relying on myself and my own nervous system to stabilise.

As I said, I'm dfeinitely feeling better, although am not totally back to myself. I am easily fatigued. Am also dealing with being two years post menopause and wondering whether some HRT might also help with anxiety...mods, are there any links to HRT that you'd recommend.

 

Also wanna say thank you for all the support here. Just having the comraderie of people here has really helped, and will still be hanging around.

xxx

 

I’m Glad you’re feeling better Ruth. Time is your ally now!

 

warmest wishes

 

rich

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Sassenach

Hi

I see you are still  an

insomniac

Sassanach

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sunnysideup69

@RichT

Thanks, time most definitely is the healer here, and as @Sassenach said, think I've learned from this episode that sometimes it's better to leave your body alone to do its thing. Just because something is 'complementary' or 'alternative', doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be helpful.

 

Also been wondering whether, if I'd just stopped the acupuncture, I would have felt better. I've attributed feeling better to the updose, but possibly that's not the case.

Anyway, too late now. It's done and I take responsibility for that decision.

We're all just doing the best we can really.

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5 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Ruth

I see you are still  an

insomniac

Sassanach

 

Haha, up at 5 30 today- that was a half hour lie in for me! 

Off to work in a mo. Have a good day xx

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Tom37

Glad your feeling better.....hopefully it continues for you. 

 

Eveb though your feeling a lot better be careful not to push yourself until your sure your stable as you your body can still be very fragile.

 

You can definitely keep your 5.30 starts though! Hope it’s not much of a commute for you.

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Sassenach

Good morning from a rainy Scotland

Sounds as though you are doing ok -on you're up dose.

Back to work as well good on you

Need to chat properly sometime  I could pick your brains.

Have a good day

Sassanach

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3 hours ago, Sassenach said:

Good morning Ruth from a rainy Scotland

Sounds as though you are doing ok -on you're up dose.

Back to work as well good on you

Need to chat properly sometime  I could pick your brains.

Have a good day

Sassanach

Yeah, I think the updose isn't creating too much disturbance, although I am now thinking I should have stopped the acupuncture and waited to see what happened BEFORE updosing. I did both at the same time....must remember, one thing at a time!

Have a sneaky feeling that stopping the acupuncture may have actually done the trick ie let my system settle.

Anyway, it's done now.

Sure thing Sassenach, chat +message when you can, will surely help if I can.

We've got weird weather in the smoke. Thundersun. Bizarre.

Chat soon.

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On 7/18/2019 at 8:14 AM, Tom37 said:

Glad your feeling better.....hopefully it continues for you. 

 

Eveb though your feeling a lot better be careful not to push yourself until your sure your stable as you your body can still be very fragile.

 

You can definitely keep your 5.30 starts though! Hope it’s not much of a commute for you.

Thanks.Tom.

I'm wobbling a little bit, but nowhere near as badly as before.

Thanks for the reminder though, I really do need to slow myself.down a bit. It was a big updose and Immnot kidding myself that it will have made an impact. Gonna be sitting at this one for at least a year, if not two. The last two have been so crap, mood wise, that I just need some kind of normality, even if it's a drugged normality. I know that I'm not stable because my sleep is still a bit erratic, am having weird dreams and occasionally getting kind of upset over little things. I'm 50, and my very broad aim is to slowly wean off this decade.

Have a good day and thanks for the good wishes 😊

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Quick update, since last post have wobbled around a bit since updosing. But nothing severe like May. A mixture of good and bad days in the week, but still functional.

However, am still clearly fragile, quite easily triggered and waves of fatigue.

Also some delightful diarrhoea about 5 weeks into updosing, which carried on intermittently for two weeks. I'm positive it wasn't a bug, checked with gp who of course said it was. Not convinced.

 

Luckily am on school summer holidays, so, plenty of time to rest. When I go back, I will be doing a 3 day working week. Have dropped the half a day counselling. Really need to focus upon my own healing at the moment and make sure I am stable.

 

Have been home to see parents for a few days, and that has been really nice, very relaxing, nice to be cooked for.

I definitely feel better when I have some people contact....I was isolating a bit in London. I love and need lots of solitary time, but it's not so great when in the throes of anxiety/depression.

 

Was also posting to ask if anyone here has experience of taking Immodium whilst on antideps. I did, a couple weeks ago when my stomach was dodgy, and it made me feel really weird, shaky and wobbly. The pharmacist said it was fine to take whilst on antideps, but it felt really odd. Went online and it says that people sometimes abuse it as it works on opioid receptors (in the stomach). Anyone else had strange effect? 

 

Hope you're all faring well x

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ChessieCat

Some members have mentioned using them.  I suggest you do a site search (or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to your search term) for Imodium and also try Loperamide.

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On 8/9/2019 at 8:16 AM, ChessieCat said:

Some members have mentioned using them.  I suggest you do a site search (or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to your search term) for Imodium and also try Loperamide.

 

Coll, thanks ChessieCat

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 3:02 AM, Ruthmcg said:

Quick update, since last post have wobbled around a bit since updosing. But nothing severe like May. A mixture of good and bad days in the week, but still functional.

However, am still clearly fragile, quite easily triggered and waves of fatigue.

Also some delightful diarrhoea about 5 weeks into updosing, which carried on intermittently for two weeks. I'm positive it wasn't a bug, checked with gp who of course said it was. Not convinced.

 

Luckily am on school summer holidays, so, plenty of time to rest. When I go back, I will be doing a 3 day working week. Have dropped the half a day counselling. Really need to focus upon my own healing at the moment and make sure I am stable.

 

Have been home to see parents for a few days, and that has been really nice, very relaxing, nice to be cooked for.

I definitely feel better when I have some people contact....I was isolating a bit in London. I love and need lots of solitary time, but it's not so great when in the throes of anxiety/depression.

 

Was also posting to ask if anyone here has experience of taking Immodium whilst on antideps. I did, a couple weeks ago when my stomach was dodgy, and it made me feel really weird, shaky and wobbly. The pharmacist said it was fine to take whilst on antideps, but it felt really odd. Went online and it says that people sometimes abuse it as it works on opioid receptors (in the stomach). Anyone else had strange effect? 

 

Hope you're all faring well x

 

‘Hi SunnySide,

 

nice to hear you've been feeling better than you were in May.

 

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I’ve used Imodium while on citalopram and quetiapine without any problems.

 

warmest wishes,

 

Rich

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mod note:  start of members 2nd introduction, now merged with first,  new title:  what can I do to stabilize on venlafaxine

 

Hi there,

Am hoping you can advise me.

I have made a bit of a boo boo, I think.

To cut a very long story short, have been on and off citalopram since 2008, tapered up and down, usually jumps of 5mg at a time.

In the winter of 2017 I had gotten down to 5mg. Foolishly, I dabbled in alcohol and recreational drugs at that time and caused a fairly major wobble, which then righted itself. Did the same in May 2018 and that time it didn't. I then wobbled around at various doses of citaolpram until finally titrating up to 20mg  this year, but it gave me really bad diarrhoea and unlike when I've taken it before, just seemed to turn me into a zombie with occasional anxiety and panic.

I assumed the problem was the drug and so switched to Venlafaxine 75mg XR in August this year. However, it's been 6 weeks and I'm not yet stable. Mostly, I have anxiety which is worse in the mornings and gradually eases through the day. GP and psych are saying I need an updose, but my hunch is that I probably need to hold and wait for stability, being as I've been all over the place with drugs over the last 18 months.

I'm wondering what you would recommend? I'm nowhere near thinking about tapering, but I know your site is big on stabilisation so any thoughts appreciated.

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Gridley

Welcome to SA, sunnysideup69.

 

It sounds like you're dealing with withdrawal from the Citalopram.  Every time you stop and restart a drug, as well as changing doses, sensitizes the system more and more each time you make a change.  This is known as kindling.  Drugs and doses that worked before fail to work and even have negative effects.  

 

 
 
Anxiety in the morning that gradually eases, known as cortisol spikes, is a common withdrawal symptom.  Do you have other symptoms?
 
What is your daily symptom pattern now? Do you feel better or worse in the hours after you take Venlafaxine? Please keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right.  Please post this here in your Introductory topic for several days.
 
This is an example:

 

6 a.m. Woke with anxiety
8 a.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
10 a.m. Stomach is upset
10:30 a.m. Ate breakfast
11:35 a.m. Got a headache, lasted one hour
12:35 p.m. Ate lunch
4 p.m. Feel a bit better
5 p.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
6 p.m. Ate dinner
9:20 p.m. Headache
10:00 p.m. Took 50mg Seroquel
10:20 p.m. Feeling dizzy
10:30 p.m. Fell asleep
2:30 a.m. Woke, took 3mg Ambien (NOT "took 1/2 tablet Ambien")
2:45 a.m. Fell asleep
4:30 a.m. Woke but got back to sleep
 
As you said, you've made many changes over the past several months, and we recommend holding where you are at 75mg and stabilize there.  This will give us an opportunity to see how you are reacting to that dosage through your daily symptom pattern entries.  Six weeks is not a long time in terms of stabilizing, especially given your previous history with Citalopram.
 
We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.
 
This is your Introductory topic, where you can answer my questions, post your daily symptom notes and ask your own questions.  We're glad you found your way here.
 
 

 
 
 

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Erell

Hello Sunnysideup

I presume you already know but I would hardly recommand To completely stop alcohol. Every time I have drunk alcohol during my benzo WD, every time I loose time because of strong symptoms.

 

I'm telling you without jugements, I made this mistake in the past too. 

Quitting entirely alcohol when you're on meds is a very very important thing To do for your health. Same thing with recreative drugs.

 

Have a good night.

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@Gridley, great, thank you, will keep a note of my symptoms over the next few days. Had a decent day today, and I do feel some 'lift' from the Venlafaxine. Also, how do I do my drug signature please?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Erell said:

Hello Sunnysideup

I presume you already know but I would hardly recommand To completely stop alcohol. Every time I have drunk alcohol during my benzo WD, every time I loose time because of strong symptoms.

 

I'm telling you without jugements, I made this mistake in the past too. 

Quitting entirely alcohol when you're on meds is a very very important thing To do for your health. Same thing with recreative drugs.

 

Have a good night.

 

 

Thanks Erell,

I know, it was really stupid. I have stopped alcohol completely since April. Even one glass of wine was making me feel depressed. And as for anything else....no way am I gonna chance it again. Am going to concentrate on getting better and then holding for a very very long time.

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7 minutes ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Also, how do I do my drug signature please?

 

 

To give members the best information, we ask them to summarize their medication history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly.  A list is a good format rather than paragraphs.  Use the following link:
 
 

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@Gridley feeling a bit scared now....do you think it's possible to stabilise on the Venlafaxine, even though I didn't on the Citalopram? Feeling worried that I've done some permanent damage, now. Also, I'm not young ....I'm 50. Hoping it's still possible to recover.

 

I'm due back at work in the next couple of weeks, I work part time so it's not too heavy, three days per week. Had to take time out because the first two weeks of the switch to Venlafaxine was rough....I was very agitated, thankfully that has gone now. Now I have plain old anxiety, on and off.

Anyway, I will keep my notes for the next few days. Thank you.

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6 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

do you think it's possible to stabilise on the Venlafaxine,

Yes, I think you can.  Just give it time and make no changes. The plain old anxiety is a typical withdrawal symptom caused by destabilization from all the changes you made.  It too will stabilize in time.  The damage is not permanent.  The brain has remarkable abilities to heal itself, known as neuroplasticity.

 

Healing from antidepressants: The power of neuroplasticity video (7.5 minutes)

 

Take a look at my first post to you about magnesium and omegas.  The have a calming effect.  Epsom salt baths are also calming.

 

Here are some techniques that are helpful in coping with anxiety:

 


Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis

 

 

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Daily notes for 27/09/19, I should say this was a pretty good day for me, has made me feel more hopeful

 

 

5 30 woke with low anxiety

7 10 took Venlafaxine

7 25 ate breakfast

7 50 2200mg fish oil plus 150mg magnesium citrate

8 10 ice cold chills for about 5 minutes

8 15 warm bath with Epsom salts

8 50 slightly jittery, lasted ten minutes

9 30 ice cold chills again 5 minutes

11 00 sudden burst of happiness, then back to neutral

*All morning* low grade anxiety, very conscious of thoughts and how I feel

 

12 30 lunch

12 40 low anxiety because I have to call boss this pm

15 00 took a nap for half an hour

18 00 ate evening meal

21 00 screens off

21 30 really sleepy, went to bed

23 30 woke to use bathroom

*All afternoon* have gradually slipped into feeling normal, not constantly monitoring thoughts and feelings, just engaged in life.

 

Will be continued .....

 

 

 

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Another good day today....wow, I might be detecting a shift.....

Saturday 28th September   daily notes

 

3 45 am woke from intense dream, fell back to sleep immediately

 

4 30am woke too early but no anxiety

 

6am low anxiety, slight headache, ate breakfast

6 45 took 2200mg fish oil 150mg mag citrate, had epsom salts bath

7 00 took venlafaxine 75mg xr

7 20 slight anxiety beginning to rise

8 am headache gone but got body jitters

8 30 leave to go to Park Run some anxiety, fluttery heart

9 am did 5k park run, every now and again felt slight dizziness so had to slow down

10 am endorphins kicking in and i feel elated, also anxiety has been much better this morning

 

13 00 ate lunch and felt really relaxed, anxiety gone, just engaged in eating and listening to music, persisted all afternoon

18 00 hours slight fatigue but still feeling good, no strange dips in mood today

18 00 ate evening meal

 

will continue this tomorrow, .....

 

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Erell

Whouah what a terrific news! So happy you can relax in your day! 😄

Enjoy it ! :)

 

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1 hour ago, sunnysideup69 said:

Another good day today....wow, I might be detecting a shift.....

That's great news, sunnysideup!

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Forgot to add to Saturday 28th that I went to bed at 10 20pm and slept straight through. Will do today's notes, tomorrow.

@Erell and @Gridley, thank you!  Cautiously reporting that I've had three increasingly good days. Cautious because I know this doesn't mean I'm stable. My third week on Venlafaxine was also good, and I crashed the next week BUT this run of good does feel lighter, and it's making me believe that I can stabilise.

 

Gonna keep the notes up for a week. I'll be here for the long haul anyway because after the changes of med over the last 18 months, I know I'm not ready to taper for a good while.

 

I'm booked for a massage this morning and am gonna ask the masseur to be really gentle and give a relaxing treatment. Tried acupuncture before and it was just too much.

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