Vegalia: Escitalopram and Lysanxia ( prazepam)

[Vegalia]

Hello,

 

I am fench. I'm not speaking english very well.

 

I need some help for m'y antidepressant prescrived for anxiety. I always haved hard symptoms of intoxication with it ( hard nervosity, ensation of agressivity, rmaniac syndrome...Which I had absolutly not before)

I have probably reduce it too fast.

 

I have very  hard syndrom of depression since 10 days with anxiety and nervosity. I can't do anything any more...I never have been dépressive before.

I will explain later my situation with more éléments.

 

Thank You for this forum.

 

Vegalia.

 

29/7/18 xanax 0,125 x2 12/8  0,25x2 28/8 veratran 5 x2, 27/9 2,5 x3 + lysanxia 15 gts 4/10 L10,10,15 -->7,7,13)  25/10/18 20x3 P1 5% 21/11 19x3 P2 2%/21j 10/12 18,62x3 P6 5% 19/2/19 16,64x3 P7 3% 3/3 16,14x3 P9 2%/21j 31/3 15,35x3 P12 3%/7 j 19/5 14,3x3 P13 3,5% 26/5 13,8x3 P14 4% 2/6 13,25x3 P15 4,5% 9/6 12,64x3 P16 5℅ 17/6 12x3 P20 2%/21j 1/8 10,08x3 P21 22/8 9,88x3 P22 3% 2/9 9,58x3 P23 9/9 9,29x3 27/9 9,5x3

(29/8/18 Venlafaxine 75 LP, 19/9 37,5 4/10 75 18/10 37,5 + Sertraline 25 1/11 S 50) 27/11-->19/4 40 36 32 29 27 25 15/7 Seroplex 5 gts 20/7 4 22/7 3,25 23/7 2,5 25/7 2,25 6/8 2 16/8 1,75 29/8 1,5 12/9 1,25 24/91,38 28/9 1,5
L-trypto, granions Li, homéopathie, HE

1 gts Lysanxia = 0,5 mg prazepam.

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

 

To clarify things about antidepressants:

- 07/2018: Venlafaxine LP 75 mg LP: extremely numerous and intense physical symptoms days after taking. after 2 weeks it subsides, the anxiety is partva again immediately after taking veratra 5 mgx2, but I am agitated and edgy. this agitation increases tendency to aggression that remains internal. I decide to reduce myself.

 

- 37.5 mg LP: the agitation to very quickly lower I am much better.

 

- 75 mg LP: my new psychiatrist insists on a new trial to take over from the anxiolytic in order to reduce it: after 2 weeks agitation and nervousness come back.

 

- swicth venlafaxine 37.5 mg LP-sertaline 25 mg 2 weeks: the agitation drops

 

- 50 mg sertraline: agitation nervousness internal feeling of aggression comes back after three to four weeks.
I understand from reading Professor Briggin's writings that I most certainly have an anti-depressant intoxication reaction with a manic shift. My attitude changed so I feel extremely uninhibited while I am a rather discreet and calm person. I decide to reduce.

 

- 11/18 -> 04/18 Sertraline reduction 50 mg -> 25 mg
Surr forum board where I was I go down directly to 40 mg. I'm going for 28 days and I'm trying as much as I can then not to go over 10% every 28 days. I do this with masterful preparations from my psychiatrist who refuses any dose below the mg. We have no liquid sertraline in France I tried to titrate with water and precision balance but it did not work because the powder of the gelule is extremely fine and it burns the digestive system.
the agitation reduced very quickly and disappeared so as not to appear until the end of this reduction.
 Symptoms: mainly severe muscle pain in the arms and legs very disabling but reduced at each end of stage. Also visual problem: visual perception at times as if I blink very quickly while I do not have the sensation of blinking or as if my eyes move extremely fast from left to right. This lasts about a second several times a day. it's symptoms appeared at the introduction of sertraline and then gradually decreased. other symptoms like headache or nausea balance but that does not last with good recovery at the end of stage.
however, I find myself extremely shotee again.

 

- April 2019: I stay at 25 mg of sertraline and I gradually reduce lysanxia/ Prazepam. I have symptoms but this is bearable most of the time. overall I am much better and the pains are lessening.

 

- 15/07 2019:
Before a return of nervousness and intense agitation: I resume the withdrawal of an antidepressant with a switch to have an antidepressant in gout. Sertraline 25 mg -> escitalopram 5 mg

it is from there that I no longer managed my weaning and my feelings.
nervousness and restlessness returned after about ten days very hard. I reduced to 4 mg hoping to hold this tier a month.
 But the agitation not going away I was advised to reduce quickly. I reduced each time the nervousness returned, except when I went from 1.5 to 1.25 mg and that I do not know why, I let myself be embalmed.

 

 Since the introduction of escitalopram, I have never really managed to stabilize myself.
 since 1 month I have a lot of digestive problems again with a lot of diarrhea. Overall, I find myself in a similar situation in July of last year with slightly less severe anxieties, but a very unstable mood, especially with a very severe depression suddenly appearing and new symptoms.

I put a little my doses of escitalopram and lysanxia but the situation does not improve.

 

They do not know what to advise me on the other forum, apart from taking Omega 3 what I think to do and lithium orotate but I'm a little afraid.

 

Sorry for those long messages, I really apologize.

 

I do not know what to do today so I have not touched my doses yet.

Again thanks to you.

 

 

Respectfully

 

Vegalia.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Sassenach
med name

[Vegalia]

Sorry,

 

I have had a problem with m'y second message and the automatic traductor. I hope that it will be better like that.

 

Vegalia.

Good morning,

 

As my level of English is approximate, I decided to use an automatic translator. I hope this will help us understand each other.

June 18, 2018:
I undergo endometriosis surgery after 4 years of therapeutic wandering and suffering.
at the insistence of the anesthesiologist, I agree to take for 48 hours an anti-inflammatory although I am intolerant. In parallel, I am prescribed esomeprazole that I take for a month. Any digestive system is disrupted very strongly: nausea, diarrhea, belching, intense pain and inflammation of the pancreas revealed by the scanner. I can hardly eat anymore. In parallel, I suffer from an intense fatigue, at the limit of the discomfort, as if I were in hypoglycemia quasi permanent.
My GP does nothing but prescribe xanax that I refuse to take and a spasmine supplement that I take but does not. change anything.
I decide to take magnesium one day. I spend a very bad night and the next day, I am very nervous. In less than 48 hours, I go from extreme lethargy to a state of extreme alertness, with insomnia 2 to 3 hours a night and extreme and permanent anxieties that I can not bear. and I develop a hypersensitivity to sounds and light. After 4 days, I take 0.125 mg xanax twice a day, which quickly calms but makes anxiety. my sleep problem is not resolved but it is not very important for me then.
In the meantime, I went to the psychiatric hospital for a consultation to quickly solve this problem and not to fall into an addiction to anxiolytics.
I was promised a place and I would be followed by a psychologist and a psychiatrist for free after I left. which I could not finally benefit.
Before my hospitalization, I always try to stop xanax one day when I feel good, but the next day, I have to take the initial dose and I have a good week to recover, even if the nights are always bad, I have no more anguish.
It was after that that I was hospitalized, convinced that I was doing my best.
so begin my story with psychotropic, I'll be more concise in my next post to explain the rest.

 

 

Thanks for the reading

 

Vegalia.

Vegalia

[Sassenach]

Hello     Vegalia  and welcome to SA.

 

This site is run entirely by volunteer Administrators and Moderators, all have been through or going through withdrawal.

There are no commercial interests or influences  involved .

 

I am sorry you are having such a rough time but you are now in the right place.

 

We are currently working on your posts and will be back to you later in the day.

 

In the meantime DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGE TO YOUR CURRENT MEDS please.

Please feel free to browse the site, it is a wealth of info.

Other members threads will give you an insight and the opportunity to share experiences.

 

Again welcome.

 

Sassenach

[Vegalia]

Good evening ,

 

Thank's a lot.

I am sorry for m'y english and the traductor is not good...

 

I have read a lot of informations of this forum. I know already the 10% méthode.m, the réduction symptôms.  Is more easy for me to read english as to speak and the traductor help me if I don't inderstand, it's ok.

 

M'y problem is not 10% method but the intoxication of antidepressant, which is complicated to do this method

 

But I think that I have symptoms of intoxication and réduction...

 

Sée You later.

 

Thank You

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

17 hours ago, Vegalia said:

29/7/18 xanax  0,125 x2 12/8  0,25x2 28/8  veratran 5 x2, 27/9 2,5 x3 + lysanxie 15 gts 4/10 L10,10,15 -> 7,7,13)        

25 / 10/18 20x3 P1 5% 21/11 19x3  P2 2% / 21j 10/12 18,62x3 P6 5% 19/2/19 16,64x3 P7 3% 3/3 16,14x3 P9 2% / 21j 31 / 3 15,35x3 P12 3% / 7 j 19/5 14,3x3 P13 3,5% 26/5 13,8x3 P14 4% 2/6 13,25x3 P15 4,5% 9/6 12,64x3 P16 5℅  17/6 12x3 P20 2% / 21j 1/8 10,08x3 P21 22/8 9,88x3 P22 3% 2/9 9,58x3   P23  9/9 9,29x3  27/9  9,5x3 

1 goutte Lysanxia = 0,5 mg prazepam.

( 29/8/18  Venlafaxine 75 LP, 19/9 37,5 4/10 75 18/10 37,5 + Sertraline 25 1/11 S 50)        

 27 / 11 -> 19/4 sertraline 40 36 32 29 27 25 (28 days) 

15/7 Seroplex 5 gts 20/7 4 22/7 3,25 23/7 2,5 25/7 2,25 8/6 2 16/8 1, 75 29/8 1,5 12/9 1,25  24/9 1,38 28/9 1,5 

L-tryptophane 220 mg, lithium citrate 2 mg,  homéopathy, probiotics, essential oils.   

 

 

 

[Sassenach]

Hi  Vegalia

 

Unfortunately the translator is not doing a good job so @Erell is going to translate.

Erell is a member going through withdrawal.

Please write your posts on here in French.

We need to sort out your drug history in chronological order in the following format.

 

Please add a signature.  Include drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements in the last 12-24 months. Also include supplements. This will help us give you the most accurate advice we can. 

• Any drugs and supplements prior to 24 months ago can just be listed with start and stop years. 
• Please use actual dates or approximate dates (mid-June, Late October) rather than relative time frames (last week, 3 months ago) 
• Spell out months, e.g. "October" or "Oct."; 9/1/2016 can be interpreted as Jan. 9, 2016 or Sept. 1, 2016. 
• Please leave out symptoms and diagnoses. 
• A list is easier to understand than one or multiple paragraphs. 
• This is a direct link to your signature:  Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

If you are unable to do this please advise me and I can help further.

7 hours ago, Vegalia said:

They do not know what to advise me on the other forum, apart from taking Omega 3 what I think to do and lithium orotate but I'm a little afraid

It is important that you do not start taking any extra drugs or supplements at the moment.

Please take your normal 5mgs Escitalopram tomorrow morning, not tonight.

If you are still taking lysanxia, continue to do so for the moment.

Please do not let the language issues be a problem.

We are here to help but it may be a little slower.

Again if you cannot manage the drug history, tell us and we will sort it.

I will include some links below which help you understand what is happening to you.

Unfortunately they are in English  but maybe google will be good enough for reading them.

the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/

the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable/

You can get better but it will be a long journey.

Once we have all the information together we will be able to advise the best way forward.

I am going to ask Erell to translate this for you.

 

Again welcome

 

Sassenach

 

 

 

[Erell]

Vegalia's post translation: 

 

" hi

Thank you very much To both of you.

 

I think I can handle the signature

 

Erell, you're so lovely for translating, but I think I can manage for reading in English, and it works Well with the translater. I understand. I haven't speak English in 20 years...I'm rusted,  but it Will come back. ( I had english lessons in highschool..then a bit at University..But graduated in German ^^).

 

However,  you don't understand me Well, the translater is not doing good work.

So if you're ok To translate my French To Sassenach , but only if it doesn't make you Feel tired.

 

I have already read Sassenach's links twice

 

About Escitalopram  : I can't take the 5mg for now. My drug history is not clear, and I'm a very particular case.

I think I'm intoxicated with the AD and that my maniac issues and my restlessness have not been understood because of my English level.

 

We Will get through this, first I take care of my signature.

 

Thank you so much. 

 

Good evening

 

"

[Erell]

Vegalia's post translation  :

 

" hello

Here is my very complex drugs history.

I put Some comments : they won't necessarily be put in the signature To make sure she is clear.

 

I have To highlight the fact that ADs give me serious adverse reactions. After 2 weeks of Venlafaxine 75mg lp, I had High restlessness. As my state was getting worse after 3 weeks, I decided To cut it half To take only 37.5mg and then restlessness decreased.

My psychiatrist wanted To try again : I went back to 75mg and after 2 weeks my restlessness increased a lot.

Then we tried a bridge To Sertraline, and again I had a lot of restlessness, felt really angry and dishinibited. 

My restlessness and angry feelings were very hard To contain.

With Sertraline, I also had big muscles pain, prickles in the arms and legs.

I decided To decrease my Sertraline dose : restlessness and angry feelings decreased too. However I still was dishinibited.

While I was decreasing Sertraline's doses, I  felt really drugged so I held on 25mg To stabilize, and reduced my benzo.

I felt almost stable for a while, but after 2months restlessness was coming back, and also angry feelings. Angry feelings were really hard To cope, but fortunately I managed To. I also was feeling very disinhibited.

 

So I decided To stop the ADs but, in France, you can only find Sertraline in capsules and the powder is very thin so you can't use a précision scale.

I tried To titrage it in water, but the powder did not dilute Well, and most of all it has burned my digestive system in 3 days.

My psychiatrist didn't want To prescribe me for doses prepared by pharmacist, so I couldn't control precises changes of doses. 

That is why a new bridge has been done To liquid Escitalopram. However , equivalencies between these 2 drugs are not precise. 

 

I started with 5mg and was feeling very angry with a lot of restlessness. So I reduced To 4mg.

This restlessness and angry feelings became more and more intense, so I  tappered fast, probably too fast, but my irritation was so hard To control,  and it decreased everytime I tappered.

 

I think the equivalency between the 2 drugs wasn't the good one for me. This is why I think it is not good To updose To 5mg. 

 

My situation  is very complicated and now I know I should have reduced the Ad's dose as soon as I started To take it, and do it fast. I could feel it, But everybody around me was telling me To keep the AD to tapper the benzo first...

 

I also wanna highlight the fact that, before all this, I had never been through dépression. I agreed To take an AD just because i've been told it would help me To calm down my anxiety and To not become dépendant on benzos.

 

I just became dépendent on benzo really fast, and I should just have tappered it very slowly.

But now I think benzo helped me To manage the harder WD symptoms of my AD (restlessness and irritation)...

 

Erell, if you translate this, you can summarize it, I have not been very concise. 

I really don't want To overwhelm you. 

(Ps : I didnt summarize)

 

I already wanna thank you for your advices and apologize for not being able To speak correctly in English. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Erell]

Translation part2 :

 

" 

1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

29 july 2018: xanax 0,125 x2 -12 august: xanax 0,25 x 2 - 28 august veratran 5x2

4 october-->24 october : Lysanxia gouttes 10,10,15 -->7,7,13 - 25 october : lysanxia 20,20,20 (stabilisation)

21 november 5% : 19x3  : I held there because of Ad's adverse reactions.

10 december-18 february 2019 : tappered  2%/21 To  avoid benzo tolerancy : 17,52x3

19 february--> 30 march : 15,66x3: tappered benzo because it overdrugged me, and tappered Ad (5% then 3%)

31 march--11 may : 2℅/21 j : 15,04x3

12 may-31 july: 3%/7j-->5%/8j then I held: 10,29x3 : tappered again because I stopped tappering the AD.

1 August-->26 septembre : 2%21 with twice on  3%/7j because I felt overdrugged  ( maybe I misinterprated the fact that I was really tired?) 9,29x3 -

27 september : 9,50

 

29 August 2018 : Venlafaxine 75 mg LP ( libération prolongée = extended release)

19 August : Venlafaxine 37,5 mg LP

4 september : Venlafaxine 75 mg LP

18 october : Venlafaxine 37,5 mg LP + Sertraline 25 mg 

1 november : Sertraline 50 mg

27 november : Sertraline 40 mg

26 december : Sertraline 36 mg

24 january 2019 : Sertraline 32 mg

23 february : Sertraline 29 mg

23 march : Sertraline 27 mg

19 april : Sertraline 25 mg

15 july : escitalopram 5 mg

20 july : escitalopram 4 mg

22 july : escitalopram 3,25 mg

23 july : escitalopram 2,5 mg

25 july : escitalopram 2,25 mg

8 August : escitalopram 2 mg

16 August : escitalopram 1,75 mg

20 August : escitalopram 1,50 mg

12 september : escitalopram 1,25 mg

24 september : escitalopram 1,38 mg

28 september : escitalopram 1,50 mg

--> L-tryptophane 220 mg + lithium citrate 2 mg during my Ad tapper. Tappered them slowly between april and july

 

L-tryptophane 220 mg, lithium citrate 2 mg,  homéopathy, probiotics, essential oils.

 

[Sassenach]

Hi Vegalia

 

Est ce que nous avons maintenant toute de votre histoire s'ill vous plait?

Comment allez vous au jour d;huit?

Pardonnez Mon francais.

 

Sassenach

 

[Vegalia]

Le 03/10/2019 à 13h47, Vegalia a déclaré:

 

Hi,

 

Yes I think so. I dont have describe all the symptoms but the most importants.

 

I know that my strory is not simple. If You have any question You can ask me.

 

Yesterday evening I had a window.

The night was not bad. I slept 5-6 h.

 

Today the I'm a little bit less depressive. I have cooked my bread ( baguettes) and "parmentier de canard", that I wanted to do for a week.... 

I have been a few times in bed this afternoon.

This morning I have had brain zap. My legs are doulorous. I have anxiety, but I can bear it.

 

Today is better than yesterday.

 

Thank You to speak french it's very well.

I'm writting without traductor. I hope that You understand me.

 

It's time for me to dîner. See You later and Thank You.

 

I'm very gratefull.

 

Vegalia.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sassenach]

Good morning Vegalia.

Thank you for all the information.

You are correct there is a lot what of history to sort out.

As it is the weekend we have less staff on here and the site is more quiet.

I am going to use the time I'm to go through all your history and prepare any further questions that we have.

I will will post to you this evening with the questions I need answered.

I will send refer your case  to lady on here who deals with benzos.

Sassenach

 

 

[Vegalia]

Le 03/10/2019 à 13h47, Vegalia a déclaré:

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Thank You very much.

 

For the benzo, I think really that the french forum is very good, with a lot of sucessfull benzo taperings.

They have test Ashton method but, 10℅/ 15 days. it was to hard for a lot of persons. They have made adaptations.

To resume : the method of the forum is 5%/8 days for prazepam or diazepam, with sometimes adaptation if it's too difficult. And for some people : 3%/7 days.

If someone is tapering antidepressant, they preconize réduction of 1 to 2%/ 20-25 days for not to be in tolérance with the benzo.

 

An another point of view is good. Thank You.

 

I wish to say that since more of 1 month I have a important digestives problems (very fast transit) and the action of drugs can be reduced : benzo particulary. 

Very slowly, I have a progress with my digestives problems, : I have for that probiotics and homéopathy.

 

I will be interesting with point of view with intoxication with DA. I have read what Pr. Brigging say about this and  I have understood that it was my situation.

I know that You can't be ever présent in the forum and can't do miracles.  Thank You for Your help and support.

 

However, my nervosity and maniac attitude is in very important réduction now.

 

I hope that You will understand my very bas english... I have two english teatcher friends, but I wan't disturb them. They hav a complicated life. I think I will command a dictionnary.^^

 

Thank's a lot. I wish You to have a good day.

 

Vegalia.

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12807380

 

I have had hypomania with the 3 antidepressants and very quickly.

 

I was not a lunatic person before DA. My friends descrived me as a discret,  and quiet person, with stable mood. 

Most if thèm liked my calm and self control, even in complicated situations.

 

Thank You.

 

Vegalia.

[Sassenach]

Hello Vegalia

 

I will have more questions but if you could answer the following I would be gratefull.

On 10/3/2019 at 10:19 AM, Vegalia said:

I undergo endometriosis surgery after 4 years of therapeutic wandering and suffering.

I am sorry to have to ask this but it could be important.

Where was this surgery performed, bowel, reproductive organs or bladder?

 

Were you healthy with no mental isses prior to the surgery?

Had you ever taken antidepressants or benzos prior to this surgery.

I understand you have already given a lot of info. but I have to ensure all facts are 100% correct because you are right, it is a complicated history.

Have you taken Escitalopram in the last few days, if you have at what dose?

On 10/4/2019 at 7:03 AM, Erell said:

and that my maniac issues and my restlessness have not been understood because of my English level.

I really do understand how you feel.

 

Sassenach

 

[Erell]

@Vegalia : au cas où la traduction ne soit pas claire, je te traduis le message de Sassenach : ( if the translator is not clear, here is a translation of Sassenach's post ) :

 

"Bonjour Vegalia 

 

J'aurai d'autres questions à te poser, mais si tu pouvais répondre à  celles ci je t'en serais reconnaissante  :

(quote)

 

Je suis désolée de devoir te poser cette question, mais ça pourrait être important. 

Où cette chirurgie a-t-elle été effectuée? Au niveau de la vessie, des intestins ou des organes reproducteurs?

 

Est-ce qu'avant la chirurgie tu te sentais en bonne santé mentale?

 

Est-ce qu'avant la chirurgie tu avais déjà pris des benzos ou des AD?

 

Je sais que tu as déjà donné beaucoup d'infos mais je dois m'assurer que tous les faits sont 100% corrects parce que, tu as raison, c'est une histoire compliquée.

 

 

Est-ce que tu as pris d'Escitalopram ces derniers jours, et à quelle dose?

 

(Quote)

 

Je comprends vraiment comment tu te sens.

 

Sassenach"

[Vegalia]

For the surgery no problèmes :

endometriosis on one ovary, rectovaginal, uretero-sacral 2 parts + one dermoid cyst on the other ovary + hysteroresection. I hope it's clear. I have always my reproductive organes. They have been préserver.

 

Before thé surgery I had for longtime digestive problèms : irritable bowel and I was very tired if I had digestive problems.

 

I had no mental problem before, I was sometimes a little bit anxious.

But the suffering with  endometriosis and the therapethic wandering , with doctors who said that I had nothing, and that it was in my head, was very hard to bear.

Until...I have a IRM who prouved endometriosis. The surgery was for me hope.

 

I Never had antidepressant or benzo before in my life. You have all my story with benzo and DA.

 

I have taken escitalopram 1,5 mg every day. I dont have changed my dose.

 

Thank you.

 

Vegalia.

 

 

[Vegalia]

@Erell Merci

[Erell]

Sassenach, you tell me if Vegalia's post is not clear...But, I Feel like @Vegalia you are already improving your English 😄

 

Maybe one day we Will be able To translate all the precious infos of this board To help French people  😇

 

Good evening To you both!

[Vegalia]

It seems as it was a little better since I stoped writting with traductor ?  🙄

[Sassenach]

6 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Before thé surgery I had for longtime digestive problèms : irritable bowel and I was very tired if I had digestive problems.

Vegalia

80% of Serotonin is produced in the digestive tract.

Have any of your doctors investigated your Serotonin levels or discussed the implications when taking SSRIs?

I know it is a lot of questions but this may have an effect on how you react to SSRIs.

Until we know the answers any advice on dose etc. could be incorrect.

 

Sass

[Vegalia]

3 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

80 % of Serotonin is produced in the digestive tract.

I know that Sass and I'm sure for long time that it coud be the raison of my problems and the effect of SSRis

 

No, doctors have not investigaded and are not réceptive if I talk about it...

 

My psychiatr say just : maybe...and that SSRIs are bad for me. She want prescrive me Lamictal but I will not take this drug ! 

 

Thanks

 

Vegalia

[Sassenach]

3 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

No, doctors have not investigaded and are not réceptive if I talk about it..

Have you asked directly for the test?

I do not know how french health system works?

[Vegalia]

No,, I dont have asked for the test. I know that the test exist, I have read it in a suisse revue, but I dont know if this test are currently made in France. 

I really not sûre that my psychiatr agréé, but I can try...

 

Vegalia.

[Sassenach]

I would push really hard, it could be important and you already felt that.

In the meantime I am going to ask more experienced mods than me for their input.

I have moved your drug history into the correct place and will appear below every post.

I am logging off now but will be here tomorrow, it may be monday before I get feedback from the mods.

 

Bon nuit

Dormez bien

Edited October 5, 2019 by Sassenach
misspelling

[Vegalia]

Thank you for all you are doing for me !

 

I'm so gratefull !

 

I must find the good words to speak about it to my psychiatr. The doctors dont like that the patient tell thèm what they had to do. You knows it  I'm sûre.

She coukd ask how I have had this information...

 

She think that I'm still developping a sort of bipolar syndrom. But...I'm 41 years old, if I was bipolar I will already know it.^^

 

Wow...my visual disturbances appear again...

 

I wish you a good night.

 

Vegalia.

[Sassenach]

Hi Vega

 

intoxication, did you mean addiction?

however, I find myself extremely shotee again.

What does shotee mean?

 

How are you feeling now?

What are your current symptoms? What times of day do you take your drugs, and their dosages?

I have asked senior mods for their input on your digestive issue and how it may impact on on your meds.

They will want the answers to the questions above.

 

Sass

[Erell]

@Sassenach in French, we use the English word "shoot" about drugs : it means you are "overdrugged", you feel very strongly the effect of the drug. In this case I think Vegalia wanted to say that the drug is working too much.

 

Vegalia, can you describe your sensation? (Vegalia, peux-tu décrire tes sensations quand tu dis te sentir "shootée" ?)

[Vegalia]

Hi, 

 

I'll will write in french sorry because it's not clear.

 

Intoxication is not dependence but adverse réaction of DA.

4 days Venlafaxine ( 1rst DA) : very hard symptôms : hard nausea, hard brain zap, hard " pertes d'équilibre ". " migraines". 

Tout ça s'est calmé un peu au bout de deux semaines mais par contre :

au bout de deux semaines j'étais très énervée, agitée, du mal à rester en place, commençais plusieurs chose à la fois, je sentais une grande agressivité monter.

 

A maniac syndrom appear 2 weeks after Start with Venlafaxine 75 mg , and I had benzo ! Veratran 2 x 5 mg = 1 mg xanax or 30 mg prazepam.

As a reduced Venlafaxine to 37,5 mg one week later I was quiet. 

 

As m'y psychiatre told me to take 75 mg again : 2 weeks later : maniac syndrom and the same symptôms I have written in french.

 

As I made switch to sertraline : the same, but as I was tapering, the symptoms of agitation, ans hypomania reduced...

But ... I feled overdosed with benzo again...

So I reduced the benzo.

But... 2 month latér : agitation came back...

 

As I made switch to escitalopram  : nervosity, agitation....came back..very very hard. Je pense que les équivalences n'étaient pas bonnes.

 

I was really overdosed in DA ad benzo : twice.

 

J'alternais entre gros shoots et énervement, agitation, agressivité intérieure.

 

I was So overdosed with benzo, that I couldn't have concentration, I forgot the words ( je cherchais mes mots) I had a very hard problèms of memory. I was inabble to drive m'y care.

Cela s'est estompé depuis peu, aux alentours de 15 mg prazepam soit 30 gouttes Lysanxia.

je peux comparer le shoot à quelque chose :réaction à la morphine : j'en ai eu pendant 2 jours à doses maximales autorisées à l'hôpital suite à une chirurgie orthopédique il y 17 ans.

 

- 8h30 : escitalopram 1,5 mg

 

- 9h, 15h,21h : Lysanxia 9,50 gouttes = 4,25 mg prazepam. ( total a day : 28,50 gouttes = 14,25 mg prazepam.)

 

I will answer the other questions later after a pause , m'y eyes are sensible to light.

 

Thank you vert much.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by Vegalia
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[Vegalia]

Today :

I feel a little bit less dépressive : 6  but I'm tired.

Anxiety : 3

nausea : 8

Brain zap : 4

Back muscles very contracted

unplaisant backdone sensations (colonne vertébrale)

Painfull legs and my legs are like cotton

Equilibrium problems : 3

visual disturbances who had desappeared are comming back 6 times today (ca dure environ une seconde a chaque fois comme si je clignais des yeux très vite ou si mes yeux allaient de droite à gauche très tres vite, sans avoir l'impression de bouger les yeux ou les paupières). This symptôm appeared with sertraline and had progressively desappeared with the tapering of sertraline.

bruxism : 4

I was cold several times.

 

sensibility to light and noises but in réduction

diarrhea in réduction

Bettér sleep

Pain to pancréas in réduction.

 

I think that's all...

 

Thank you for all

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

* 9,50 gouttes Lysanxia = 4,75 mg prazepam, sorry.

[Erell]

Translation of french sentences in Vegalia's post 13hours ago :

 

12 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Hi, 

 

I'll will write in french sorry because it's not clear.

 

Intoxication is not dependence but adverse réaction of DA.

4 days Venlafaxine ( 1rst DA) : very hard symptôms : hard nausea, hard brain zap, hard " pertes d'équilibre ". " migraines". ( loss of equilibrium, headaches)

Tout ça s'est calmé un peu au bout de deux semaines mais par contre :

au bout de deux semaines j'étais très énervée, agitée, du mal à rester en place, commençais plusieurs chose à la fois, je sentais une grande agressivité monter.(it settled down a bit after 2 weeks, but on the other hand I was highly irritate, agitate, feeling restlessness, starting many things in the same time, I could feel agressivity increasing )

 

A maniac syndrom appear 2 weeks after Start with Venlafaxine 75 mg , and I had benzo ! Veratran 2 x 5 mg = 1 mg xanax or 30 mg prazepam.

As a reduced Venlafaxine to 37,5 mg one week later I was quiet. 

 

As m'y psychiatre told me to take 75 mg again : 2 weeks later : maniac syndrom and the same symptôms I have written in french.

 

As I made switch to sertraline : the same, but as I was tapering, the symptoms of agitation, ans hypomania reduced...

But ... I feled overdosed with benzo again...

So I reduced the benzo.

But... 2 month latér : agitation came back...

 

As I made switch to escitalopram  : nervosity, agitation....came back..very very hard. Je pense que les équivalences n'étaient pas bonnes. (I think equivalencies weren't right)

 

I was really overdosed in DA ad benzo : twice.

 

J'alternais entre gros shoots et énervement, agitation, agressivité intérieure. ( I alternated between feeling highly overdosed,  and agitation, internal agressivity)

 

I was So overdosed with benzo, that I couldn't have concentration, I forgot the words ( je cherchais mes mots) I had a very hard problèms of memory. I was inabble to drive m'y care.

Cela s'est estompé depuis peu, aux alentours de 15 mg prazepam soit 30 gouttes Lysanxia.

je peux comparer le shoot à quelque chose :réaction à la morphine : j'en ai eu pendant 2 jours à doses maximales autorisées à l'hôpital suite à une chirurgie orthopédique il y 17 ans. ( it settled down around 15mg of Prazepam, which is 30 drops of Lysanxia. I can compare the 'shoot' To something  : like how I reacted To morphine : I had some for 2 days at the maximal authorized dose in hospital. It was 17years ago, after an orthopedic surgery.)

 

- 8h30 : escitalopram 1,5 mg

 

- 9h, 15h,21h : Lysanxia 9,50 gouttes = 4,25 mg prazepam. ( total a day : 28,50 gouttes = 14,25 mg prazepam.)

 

I will answer the other questions later after a pause , m'y eyes are sensible to light.

 

Thank you vert much.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Erell]

10 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Today :

I feel a little bit less dépressive : 6  but I'm tired.

Anxiety : 3

nausea : 8

Brain zap : 4

Back muscles very contracted

unplaisant backdone sensations (colonne vertébrale : spine)

Painfull legs and my legs are like cotton

Equilibrium problems : 3

visual disturbances who had desappeared are comming back 6 times today (ca dure environ une seconde a chaque fois comme si je clignais des yeux très vite ou si mes yeux allaient de droite à gauche très tres vite, sans avoir l'impression de bouger les yeux ou les paupières everytime it lasts for one second, like if I was blinking very fast, or like if my eyes were going right and left very fast, but in the mean time I don't feel like my eyes are actually moving, neither my  eyelids). This symptôm appeared with sertraline and had progressively desappeared with the tapering of sertraline.

bruxism : 4

I was cold several times.

 

sensibility to light and noises but in réduction

diarrhea in réduction

Bettér sleep

Pain to pancréas in réduction.

 

I think that's all...

 

Thank you for all

 

Vega.

 

[Vegalia]

Hi Erell

 

Merci

 

Le traducteur me met : que le "shoot" s'est installé à environ 15 mg prazepam : erreur du traducteur automatique ?

Il a réduit aux alentours de 15 mg où j'ai retrouvé un peu plus de mémoire, de concentration, je cherchais moins mes mots.

 

I wrotte : I couldn't drive m'y care but I wanted to say my car (voiture)

 

Pfff sorry for my english...

 

Vega.

[Erell]

16 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Hi Erell

 

Merci

 

Le traducteur me met : que le "shoot" s'est installé à environ 15 mg prazepam : erreur du traducteur automatique ?

Il a réduit aux alentours de 15 mg où j'ai retrouvé un peu plus de mémoire, de concentration, je cherchais moins mes mots.

( The translator says that the "shoot" came at 15mg of Prazepam : translator's mistake ? 

It is the contrary  : the "shoot " decreased around 15mg : I recovered some memory and focus  abilities, I had less difficulties To find my words)

 

I wrotte : I couldn't drive m'y care but I wanted to say my car (voiture)

 

Pfff sorry for my english...

 

Vega.