Vegalia: Escitalopram and Lysanxia ( prazepam)

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

25 november/ 11 days after stop lithium citrate

 

Sleep midnight to 5.30.am, bad wake with anxiety 7

7.30.am : get up.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg.

1.30. pm : hypnose on web. It relaxed me.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

5.pm.: kinésithérapy. Managéd to do sôme food shopping after.

9.pm prazepam 4,75 mg. Watching TV with my companion, feel me bad with neuro-emotions, hard nausea, ball in stomach.

10.30. pm : drowsiness

10.45.pm L-tryptophan 200 mg, go in bed

Sleep midnight (difficultés to fall asleep) to 6.am, bad wake with anxiety.

 

It is very difficult to describe the symptôms hour by hour an the intensity because they fluctuated a lot and often.

Restlessness 6 crisis. Dépression : 7. Anxiety : 5-6. All this neuro émotion reduced for two hours with hypnosis. No crisis today.

Physical symptôms :back and neck contracted, less umpleasant sensations in head and spine, arms burning. All day return of sensation of électricity and pulsations in lips.
Hard nausea, ball in stomach all evening until to sleep.

Very, very tired, drowsiness several times, but not a lot fog in brain or DR/DP.

 

Have a good day

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

26 november/ 12 days after stop lithium citrate

 

Sleep midnight to 6.am, wake me with anxiety 7, nausea, back very contrated.

8.am : get up. Dépression 8.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

10.am : hypnose feel me better, quiet.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, eat.

1.pm : anxiety 7, dépression 6. Very anxious because I will sée my psychiatrist. Always figthing to have the "good" drugs. Affraid to make crisis by psychiatrist or in taxi.

2.pm : go to psychiatrist with taxi. Speaking with the taxi driver 45 mn: anxiety 5, dépression 6.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, sée my psychiatrist : ok for drugs for yet.

4. pm : Côme back at home. Anxiety 5, dépression 7.

7.am : diner.

9.pm prazepam 4,75 mg. Watching TV with my companion, feel me not So bad. anxiety 3, dépression 5

10.45.pm L-tryptophan 200 mg, go in bed

Sleep midnight to 6.am, wake with  no anxiety. But feel me very bad at 7.am.

 

It is very difficult to describe the symptôms hour by hour an the intensity because they fluctuated a lot and often.

Restlessness 5-6 until 9pm at 3 after. No crisis. All neuro émotion reduced for two hours with hypnosis. 

Physical symptôms :back and neck contracted, less umpleasant sensations in head and spine, arms burning but not all day, sensation of électricity and pulsations in lips all day. Visual problèms 3 times.
Less nausea, less ball in stomach.

Very, very tired, drowsiness several times, but not a lot fog in brain or DR/DP.

Sensibility to light and noises almost normal.

 

--> A little progres with internal rage and restlessness, but dépression harder again. Des pair.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[rola]

@Vegalia

salut vega comment vas tu ? 

je pense à toi 

bisous 

[Vegalia]

Coucou @rola

 

C'est pas facile mais je m'accroche.

 

Je pense bien à toi aussi.

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

28. november/ 14 days after stop lithium citrate

 

Sleep midnight to 6.am, wake me with no anxiety, but nausea, back very contrated.

7.am : get up. Dépression 8, anxiety 6, reslessness 5

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

10.am : hypnose feel me better.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, eat : really forced me to eat.

1.pm : anxiety 7, dépression 6. Fog in brain.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, want to try to go out and walk a little but, wash me...

3.30pm : ready to go. But I sée that hospital in the city who lives my father (very ill) called me.

At this moment, very complicated day... Phoned a lot of times hospital, my brothers, neighbour of my father. Very complicated situation. Phoned and problèms until 8.45 pm ! 

Curiosly, no feeled a lot of symptôms, focused to try to résolve problèms.

6.30.pm : back, neck very, very contracted, anxiety 7

7.30am : diner. Took paracétamol 1 g.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg.

9.15 pm :L-tryptophan 200 mg, go in bed : too tyred.

Sleep 9.45 pm to 3.am. And to 6 am sleep and wake several times, agitated. Back, neck, arms burnings a lot, horrible sensations in head, hard nausea, anxiety, despair.

 

--> Situation with father too complicated to explain, I résume. Toxic person. Problèms not resolved.

Decided not to stay in the hospital. But lied me saying that the hospital does not want to keep him.(compulsive liar forever)
Returned home with fracture of the femur.
Very dependent person living alone and in chemotherapy treatment.
Has already had a fracture of the other femur two and a half months ago.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

29 november/ Start taper of L-tryptophan

 

Sleep 9.45 pm to 3.am. And to 6 am sleep and wake several times, agitated. Back, neck, arms burnings a lot, horrible sensations in head, tigling and pulsations in lips, hard nausea, anxiety, despair.

 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

9.30.am : hypnose feel me better.

11.am : return of hard aches and umpleasant sensations in back, neck, head, lips

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, eat 

2.pm : took paracetamol 1 g, rest in bed.

3.pm : get up, prazepam 4,75 mg, rest in bed again watching ice skating.

5. pm : kinésithérapy. Little shopping.

7.am : diner. 

8.am : rest in bed.

9.pm : get up, prazepam 4,75 mg. Aches and umpleasant sensations reduced a little. Dépression 4, anxiety 3.

11.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed.

Sleep midnight to 5.30am.

The more difficult was physical symptôms : very hard ! 

Neuro-emotions always fluctuated a lot and several times a days, always difficult, but dépression, anxiety, restlessness all between 3-6. No crisis.

Not a lot a fog in Brain, DP/DR and nausea. 

Itching head and shoulders but it is eczéma, normal for me, not a symptôm with drugs or complément.

Little tears several times.

A little difficulties to speach again

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

30 november/ Start taper of L-tryptophan day 2

Sleep midnight to 5.30am. Wake with pic of anxiety. Legs burnings +/- 30 mn. Feel me bad. Dépression 7.

7.am: Back, neck very contracted and burning. 

8.30 am : get up. Aches to back and neck reduce a little. Tingling in lips. Dépression 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

11.30.am : fog in brain.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, eat 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, rest in bed again watching ice skating. Cry little tears several hours. Intrusives idéas all the afternoon.

7.pm:  get up. Aches increase a little.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Aches and umpleasant sensations reduced a little. Dépression 4, anxiety 3.

11.30.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed.

Sleep midnight to 5.am.

 

--> Neuro émotions always unstable.

Restlessness : 3-6. No crisis but limit

Always in hell...

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

1 december/ Start taper of L-tryptophan day 3

Sleep midnight to 5. am. Wake with pic of anxiety. Legs burnings +/- 30 mn. Feel me bad. Dépression 7. Drowsiness until 8.am.Back, neck very contracted and burning. 

8.30 am : get up. Aches to back and neck reduce a little. Tingling in lips. Dépression 5, restlessness 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg,

11.am: hypnosis.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, eat 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, rest in bed . Cry little tears several hours. Intrusives idéas all the afternoon.bed

7.pm:  get up. Aches increase a little.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Aches and umpleasant sensations reduced a little. Dépression 8 anxiety 7. 

11.30.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed with hard anxiety and ball in stomach. Hypnosis help me a little

Sleep midnight to 3 am. And drowsiness with lot of Wakes until 6. 

 

--> Neuro émotions always unstable.

Restlessness : 5-8. No crisis but limit dépression 5-8, anxiety : 6-8.

Despair, sadness. want to cry almost all day long.

Awfull this morning... Restlessness 8-9. Internal akathisy :(((  horrible nausea. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

2 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 180 mg day 4

 

Sleep midnight to 3 am. And drowsiness with lot of Wakes and pics of panic until 6. Feel me very bad with all neuro-emotions. Dépression, anxiety : twicetwice 5-8,  restlessness :7-9 until 9.30 pm.

Awfull wake Restlessness 8-9. Internal akathisy :(((  horrible nausea. 

Back, neck, head very contracted, very doulourous.

8.am : hypnosis. A little better

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced.

11.am : fog in brain

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea, eat 

2.pm: restlessness up : internal akathisie. Crisis. Hypnose = help me a little.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, Intrusives idéas all the afternoon.

6.pm: rest in bed. Feel me horrible. Cardiac cohérency.

7.pm:  Aches increase, dîner.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea. Aches and umpleasant sensations reduced a little. Dépression 6 anxiety 4, restlessness 4. 

10.30.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed with nausea and ball in stomach.

Sleep 11.pm to 4 am. Wake with panic. End of sleep...

 

--> Neuro émotions always unstable horrible, worse. Crisis. Despair, sadness. want to cry almost all day long.

--> Aches very hard morning and evening. Stomach is burning more and more and worse after taking drugs Ball in stomach, horrible sensations in head, tingling and pulsations in lips almost all day, spasmes, exhausted 

--> Bad nigths.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Erell]

Dear Vegalia

Je suis triste de lire que tes journées sont si dures.

Comme le disent nos experts : nous allons nous stabiliser, chaque jour qui passe nous en rapproche ❤

 

(I'm sad To read that your days are so hard. As our experts say, we are going To stabilise, everyday that passes is one closer To it ❤)

[Vegalia]

Coucou @Erell 

 

Merci

 

J'arrive toujours pas à croire à mon histoire...

Me retrouver à attendre sans savoir si remonter aurait été mieux.

J'ai tant de regrets... J'ai tellement eu de malchance. 

C'est dur avec la famille... Toutes mes pensées pour toi

On a parlé avec mon conjoint hier un peu de W/D. Il sait en gros que les médicaments me rendent malade. Il m'a dit que j'aurais jamais dû prendre l'AD, que les médecins prescrivent trop de médicaments... Alors que les tous premiers jours de l'AD en août 2018 que j'étais très mal que je voulais arreter il me disais : écoute le médecin, arrête de regarder internet. Alors je n'ai plus regardé sur Internet et malheureusement je n'y avais pas à l'époque encore trouvé leurs méfaits et difficultés de sevrage. 

 

Ayons espoir ma belle. Courage.

 

Bisous

 

 

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

3 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 180 mg day  5

 

Sleep 11.pm to 4 am. Wake with panic. End of sleep...Feel me bad with neuro-emotions.

Back, neck, head very contracted, very doulourous, nausea, ball in stomach.

7.am: get up : dépression 7, anxiety 4, restlessness : 8 : crisis.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced, but not ball in stomach.

10.am: hypnosis, feel me better 

11.am : fog in brain, aches increase.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea, eat 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, intrusive ideas

Hypnose : help me a little. Les fog in brain.

4.45.pm: get up : aches increase

5.15.pm : go to kinsesitherapy.

7.pm:  dîner. Sensibiliy to light.

8.pm : aches reduce. Dépression 6, restlessness 5, anxiety 4.

9.30 pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea.

10.30.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed with nausea and ball in stomach.

Sleep 11. pm to 5 am !

 

--> Neuro émotions always unstable horrible. Crisis. Despair, sadness. want to cry almost all day long.

--> Aches very hard. Stomach is burning, Ball in stomach, horrible sensations in head, tingling and pulsations in lips almost all day, spasmes, exhausted, return of sensibility with light.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

4 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 1

 

Sleep 11. pm to 5 am. Feel me bad with neuro-emotions.

Back, neck, head very contracted, very doulourous, nausea, ball in stomach.

7.am: get up : dépression 7, anxiety 4, restlessness  6.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced. Dépression 5, anxiety 4, restlessness 4

11.am : fog in brain, aches increase.

noon : escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea, eat, very tired, fight against sleep 

1.30.pm: take courage to walk 20 mn and take photos 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, intrusive ideas

Hypnose : help me a little. Drowsiness Less fog in brain.

4.30 pm: get up : aches increase

5.pm : ill : hard aches in bowel, hard diarrhea several times, very cold : problèm with wath I eat at noon?

7.pm:  dîner. 

8.pm : aches reduce. Dépression 5, restlessness 5, anxiety 4.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea. Feel me not bad.

10.30.pm :L-tryptophan 180 mg, go in bed with nausea and ball in stomach. Restlessness 5-6.

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am but with several wakes, light sleep  

 

--> Neuro émotions a little bit unstable. No crisis. Despair, sadness. want to cry almost all day long but can't.

--> Aches very hard. Stomach is burning, Ball in stomach, horrible sensations in head, tingling and pulsations in lips almost all day, spasmes, exhausted, return of sensibility with light.

Always very hard for me...

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

5 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 2

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am but with several wakes, light sleep

Back, neck, head very contracted, very doulourous, nausea, ball in stomach.

7.am: get up : dépression 7, anxiety 4, restlessness  6.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced. Dépression 5, anxiety 4, restlessness 4

Self care with Epsom bath : good. Achès reduce and not very hard all day.

11.am : fog in brain.

noon : eat, escitalopram 1,50 mg, no nausea, very tired, fight against sleep 

1.30.pm: hypnose and drowsiness.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, intrusive ideas, less fog in brain., stomach is burning.

4.30 pm: get up : aches increase

7.pm:  dîner. 

8.pm : Rest in bed.Dépression 5, restlessness 5, anxiety 4. Hard headache : took 1 mg paracétamol.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg.Feel me not bad but always headache.

11 pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg, go in bed.Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am. 

 

 

--> Neuro émotions a little bit less unstable. No crisis. Despair, sadness. want to cry almost all day, I cried just a little.

--> Aches les hard. Stomach, pulsations in lips almost all day, spasmes, exhausted, return of sensibility with light.

Always very hard for me...

I hope end of hell is coming. 😢 Already 3 months in hell...

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

6 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 3

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am. 

Back, neck, head very contracted, very doulourous, nausea, ball in stomach.

7.am: get up : dépression 7, anxiety 4, restlessness  6.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced. Dépression 5, anxiety 4, restlessness 4

9.30.am : hypnose, drowsiness.

11.am : fog in brain, anxiety 6, restlessness 4, dépression 7.

noon :  escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea.aches to back, spine, neck, head horrible.

1.30 pm : eat

2.pm : go to pharmacy, kinesitherapy (Niromathé méthod, with accupression points, work with aches and émotions) Less fog in brain.

3.pm : go back to home. Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning.

3.30.pm : rest in bed, very tired, always aches, back is burning.  hypnosis

5. pm to 6.30 pm : cry in my bed, des pair, ruminations, affraid with futur.

7.30. pm : diner

8.pm : Rest in bed.Dépression 5, restlessness 5, anxiety 4 : aches reduce a little 

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea, stomach is burning, want to cry.

11 pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg, go in bed.read a magazine.

Sleep midnight to 6 am but with several long wakes with pics of anxiety.. Bad night, bad wake with aches, sadness, des pair.

 --> No crisis. Sensibiliy to light reduce, difficulties to speak too.

Very hard to not going better. Arms burnings.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Erell]

Bonjour Vega 

 

Comment se passe la baisse du l-tryptophane ? Tu remarques des différences ?

 

Je suis contente de lire que le bain au sel d'epsom t'a fait un peu de bien.

 

Je pense fort à toi, toujours ❤

 

(How is going your tapper of l-tryptophane? Do you notice differences?

I'm glad To read that epsolm bath gave you some relief.

I'm thinking of you, always )

[Vegalia]

Coucou,

 

Je sais pas trop dire si ça a un effet... C'est très dur de toute façon. Peut-être que je dors un peu moins bien, mais ça dépend des nuits, je sais pas si c'est lié, je pense baisser très doucement. Après c'est parfois mon conjoint qui me réveille aussi.^^

Règles aujourd'hui, ça peut jouer.

 

Là je vais aller pleurer dans la chambre, je sens que ça vient !

Émotions, émotions ! J'apprends à l'instant que ma belle-sœur est à la maternité : petite nièce arrive, trois semaines en avance. ❤️  

 

Courage à toi @Erell

 

Bisous.

 

Hello,

 

I can not really say if it has an effect ... It's very hard anyway. Maybe I sleep a little less well, but it depends on the nights, I do not know if it's related, I think to drop very slowly. After that my spouse sometimes wakes me up too.

Periods today, it can play.

 

I'm going to cry in the room, I feel like it's coming!

Emotions, emotions! I learn at the moment that my sister-in-law is at the maternity ward: little niece arrives, three weeks in advance. ❤️

 

Courage to you @Erell

 

Kisses.

 

[Sassenach]

Hi Vega

 

You did well to stop the Lithium citrate .

Have you already started tapering L-trytophan?

If so when?

 

Sass

[Vegalia]

2 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Vega

 

You did well to stop the Lithium citrate .

Have you already started tapering L-trytophan?

If so when?

 

Sass

 

Hello Sass,

 

Yes I started tapering L-tryptophan 29 november. 

 

I hope you are fine.

 

Vega.

[Sassenach]

Vega

 

That is soon after the end of the Lithium taper.

How quickly are you tapering L tryptophan?

[Vegalia]

10 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Vega

 

That is soon after the end of the Lithium taper.

How quickly are you tapering L tryptophan?

 

Soon? But it was lithium trace élément, not the same of lithium carbonate...

 

I started with +/- 180 mg on 29 november for 5 days and now +/- 150 mg. All is in my diary.

Difficultés to be précise to taper.

 

Vega

[Erell]

@Sassenach : just a quick note To try To help Vegalia To explain:

She was not taking lithium, but what we call in French 'granions'. I don't know how we can translate 'granions' in English...

[Sassenach]

24 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Soon? But it was lithium trace élément, not the same of lithium carbonate...

OK understand now, thanks @Erell

I am sure you know L-tryptophan affects Serotonin levels.

Your current taper means you have reduced by 25% quickly.

If you feel any uptick in symptoms be sure to pause the taper until they pass.

 

Sass

[Vegalia]

1 minute ago, Sassenach said:

OK, comprenez maintenant, merci @Erell

Je suis sûr que vous savez que le L-tryptophane affecte les niveaux de sérotonine.

Votre cône actuel signifie que vous avez réduit de 25% rapidement.

Si vous ressentez une légère augmentation des symptômes, assurez-vous de mettre le cône en pause jusqu'à ce qu'il passe.

 

Toupet

 

 

Yes. Ok Sass.

 

Thank you.

 

Vega 

[Vegalia]

On 10/27/2019 at 4:21 PM, Vegalia said:

GRANIONS OF LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule

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Read this leaflet carefully before taking this medicine. It contains important information for your treatment.

If you have further questions, if you are not sure, ask your doctor or pharmacist for more information.

· Keep this leaflet, you may need to read it again.

· If you need more information and advice, talk to your pharmacist.

· If symptoms worsen or persist, consult a doctor.

· If any of the side effects gets serious, or if you notice any side effects not listed in this leaflet, please tell your doctor or pharmacist.

Summary record

In this notice :

1. WHAT GRANIONS OF LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule and WHAT IT IS USED FOR?

2. BEFORE YOU TAKE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?

3. HOW TO TAKE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?

4. WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS?

5. HOW TO STORE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?

6. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

1. WHAT GRANIONS OF LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule and WHAT IT IS USED FOR?  

Pharmacotherapeutic class

oligotherapy

(V: various)

Therapeutic indications

This medication is used as a terrain modifier especially during minor psychic or psychosomatic manifestations in children over 6 years of age and adults (mild sleep disturbances, irritability).

2. BEFORE YOU TAKE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?   

List of information needed before taking the medication

Not applicable.

Cons-indications

Do not take GRANIONS DE LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule in the following case:

· History of allergy to one of the components of the solution.

IN CASE OF DOUBT, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO ASK THE ADVICE OF YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST

Precautions for use; special warnings

Take special care with LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule:

Special warnings

Some disorders of character or behavior require significant doses of lithium. Lithium in the form of trace element has no place in the treatment of these disorders.

In children, a behavioral problem or a sleep disorder requires consultation with your doctor.

Precautions for use

" GRANIONS OF LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule " should not be used:

· During pregnancy ( see section 'Pregnancy and lactation' ).

IF IN DOUBT, DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK FOR THE ADVICE OF YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST.

Interactions with other drugs

Taking or using other medicines:

TO AVOID POSSIBLE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN SEVERAL MEDICINES, YOU MUST SIGNALLY REPORT ANY OTHER TREATMENT IN PROGRESS TO YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST;

Interactions with food and drink

Not applicable.

Interactions with herbal products or alternative therapies

Not applicable.

Use during pregnancy and lactation

Pregnancy - Breastfeeding

Pregnancy

The use of this medication is not recommended unless advised by your doctor, during pregnancy. If you discover that you are pregnant during treatment, consult your doctor quickly: only he can adapt the treatment to your condition.

Feeding with milk

Use of this medication should be avoided during breastfeeding.

In general, during pregnancy and breastfeeding, always seek the advice of your doctor or pharmacist.

Sport

Not applicable.

Effects on ability to drive or use machines

Not applicable.

List of excipients with known effect

Not applicable.

3. HOW TO TAKE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?  

Instructions for a good use

Not applicable.

Dosage, Mode and / or Route (s) of Administration, Frequency of Administration and Duration of Treatment

Dosage

RESERVED FOR ADULTS AND CHILDREN OVER 6 YEARS OLD.

1 to 2 ampoules a day.

Method and route of administration

Oral way.

Dilute the ampoules in a glass of water.

Frequency and timing at which the drug is to be administered

To be taken in the morning on an empty stomach or at a distance from meals.

Symptoms and instructions in case of overdose

If you take more LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule:

It should be noted that lithium has a narrow therapeutic margin. The first symptoms of lithium intoxication include diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, neurological disorders such as drowsiness, dysarthria, blurred vision, lack of coordination, cardiovascular disorders and hydroelectrolytic disorders.

Instructions for omitting one or more doses

 

Risk of withdrawal syndrome

Not applicable.

4. WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS?  

Description of adverse effects

Like all medicines, LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule is likely to have side effects, although no adverse effects have been reported.

Lithium therapy may result in nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, fine extremity tremor, and asthenia.

If any of the side effects gets serious, or if you notice any side effects not listed in this leaflet, please tell your doctor or pharmacist.

5. HOW TO STORE LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?  

Keep out of the reach and sight of children.

Expiration date

Do not use LITHIUM GRANIONS 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule after the expiry date which is stated on the outer carton.

Storage conditions

This medicine should be stored at room temperature.

If necessary, warn against some visible signs of deterioration

Medicines should not be thrown away with sewage or garbage. Ask your pharmacist what to do with unused medications. These measures will help protect the environment.

6. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION  

Complete list of active substances and excipients

What does GRANIONS DE LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule?

The active substance is :

Lithium citrate

Quantity corresponding to lithium .............................................. .................................................. ...... 1.00 mg

For a 2 ml ampoule.

The other components are :

Amylose, glycerol, purified water.

Pharmaceutical form and content

What is GRANIONS DE LITHIUM 1 mg / 2 ml, oral solution in ampoule and contents of the pack?

This medication comes in the form of an oral solution, 2 ml ampoule, box of 10 and 30 ampoule

 For more informations @Sassenach 

 

Good evening.

 

vega

[Sassenach]

Thank you, very useful

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

7 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 4

 

Sleep midnight to 6 am but with several long wakes with pics of anxiety.. Bad night, bad wake with aches, sadness, des pair.

7.am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 4, restlessness  5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, aches reduced.

10.30 am : hypnose. Feel me better.

11.am : fog in brain, anxiety 4 restlessness 4, dépression 6

noon :  escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea.aches to back, spine, neck, head horrible.

1.pm : eat

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a lot. 2 hours in phone with a friend : change if channel. Hard headache and neck very contracted.

7 pm : took 1 mg of paracétamol.

7.30. pm : diner

8.pm : Rest in bed.Cry.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea, stomach is burning, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 4.

10.30 pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg

Sleep 11.30 pm to 7 pm but with several wakes. Wake with nausea and very hard headache, arms burnings.

 

 --> No crisis. Less difficult with neuro émotions but very difficult with aches.

Arms, legs, back burnings and contracted lot. Always pulsations in lips, tongue, muscle and stomach spasmes, very difficultés with neck and head, bruxisme.m.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Hi,

 

Months after months, stomach burnings, spasmes and nausea are worse and worse on the base line. Pancréas is burning again. I think I dont tolérate escitalopram... (Very sensible with stomach and bowels since a lot of years). But with sertraline în caps  I didn't had such problèms, but when I tryed to titrate it I had.

I take a lot of care with what I eat or drink, I drink only water since one month, even on morning for breakfast.

 

I suppose to go back to sertraline   masterful preparation   could be a big risk?

 

For L-tryptophan, how slow might I taper? It seems to be too fast as @Sassenach say.

The 2 last times I tapered it in one week : no problèm.

 

Thank you So much, if you had some advices.

 

Vega.

 

 

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

8 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 5

 

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 7 am but with several wakes. Wake with nausea and very hard headache, arms burnings.

7.30 am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 4, restlessness  5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , aches reduced.

10.30 am : hypnose. 

11.am : fog in brain, anxiety 4 restlessness 4, dépression 7

noon :  escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea.aches to back, spine, neck, head horrible, stomach and bowel burning a lot.

1.pm : eat

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a lot.l, bowel spasmes.

6 pm Hard headache and neck very contracted.

7.30. pm : diner

8.pm : Rest in bed.Cry. suicidal ideas, restkessness 7, dépression 8.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea, stomach is burning, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 6.

11.pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg

 --> No crisis but limit. Very difficult with neuro émotions and very difficult with aches : torture.

Arms, legs, back burnings and contracted lot. Always pulsations in lips, tongue, muscle and stomach spasmes, very difficultés with neck and head, bruxisme. Stomach and bowel burning : horribl.

 

 

This night : good sleep : midnight to 6.am. No bad wake. But now horrible suicidal ideas since 11.30 am (it is 1.50 pm) but affraid to miss suicide and I dont want to make people who loves me sad. Hope to not wake tomorrow. I will live but I'm suffering to much. Sorry.

I try to change of channel, make a lot of hypnosis, cardiac cohérency, kinésithérapy. Dont understand why I suffer So much with neuro émotion. Hell is too long. Sorry...

I'm sad because I think I become a toxic person for the others and So sorry of that 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

 

[Erell]

Mon amie,

 

11 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

but affraid to miss suicide and I dont want to make people who loves me sad. Hope to not wake tomorrow. 

 

Comme je te comprends! Depuis 3 mois j'ai passé tant de journées dans cet état! Les pensées suicidaires sont très très dures à supporter, mais on peut les dépasser et c'est exactement Ce que l'on va faire.

Ce qui m'aide un peu quand je suis en état de crise : me répéter sans cesse que tout ceci n'est que temporaire, même quand je n'arrive pas à y croire, je le répète inlassablement. 

 

Tu n'es pas en train de devenir une personne toxique : tu es une personne qui souffre actuellement, et pas par ta faute. Laisse les autres voir ce qu'ils peuvent supporter, toi tu ne dois t'occuper que de toi.

 

Je sais à quel point il est dur de se raisonner dans ces moments là. 

Si tout ce que tu peux faire aujourd'hui est d'attendre que la journée se termine, alors c'est ok. Parce que le principal c'est de faire en sorte que tu sois en sécurité. 

 

Souviens toi : tout ceci n'est qu'une étape.

 

Je t'embrasse, très fort ❤

 

(How I understand you ! Since 3 months, I spent too much days in this state. Suicidal thoughts are very very hard To handle, but it is possible To go through, and that's exactly what we are going To do.

What helps me a bit when I'm in crisis is To repeat To myself that all this is only temporary. Even when I can't believe it, I repeat it, untiringly.

 

You're not becoming a toxic person: you are a person who suffers for now, and it is not your fault. Let others décide what they can bear, you only take care of yourself. 

 

I know how hard it is To be touched by logic in crisis, so if all you can do today is To wait for the day To end, it is ok. The most important for you now is To stay safe. )

[Vegalia]

Coucou @Erell

 

Je sais mais j'y arrive plus.

J'ai laissé un message à ma psychiatre pour avoir un RV urgent. Dernier recours avant l'hôpital.

Je vais peut être prendre un gros risque en tentant de redemander Sertraline.

Tout mon système digestif est en feu en plus du reste.

Je suis de pire en pire. J'ai même failli prendre 2 gouttes d' escitalopram et me suis ravisée : il me brûle de toute façon.

Je connais ce que donnent les ravages de mon système digestif : ce sont eux qui m'ont tout déréglé en juin 2018 et m'ont donné envie de mourir. C'est là que j'ai commencé le xanax...qui m'avait vite calmée à petites doses...

Je pense que ces PB digestifs aggravent W/D.

Pourtant, vers 9h je me visualisais aller voir en voiture ma petite nièce.

J'ai été interrompue en séance d'hypnose alors que j'étais bien et tout est parti en vrille. C'était mon père qui m'appelait. J'ai pas répondu et j'ai voulu terminer ma séance d'hypnose mais impossible : trop inquiète. Je l'ai rappelé et comme je me doutais : mauvaise nouvelle... 

 

Faut dire aussi que j'ai mes règles depuis 3 jours. ^^

 

Je voudrais être seule à la maison aujourd'hui !!! 

 

Je m'en veux même d'avoir posté tout ça car je sais que tu lis. Et il ne te faut rien d' anxiogène, que tu prennes soin de toi.

 

Pense à toi, ma chère Erell, pense à toi surtout. ❤️

 

Bisous

 

Vega 

 

 

Hello @Erell

 

I know but I can not do it anymore.

I left a message to my psychiatrist for an urgent RV. Last resort before the hospital.

I may be taking a big risk trying to ask for Sertraline again.

My entire digestive system is on fire in addition to the rest.

I am getting worse and worse. I even nearly took 2 drops of escitalopram and changed my mind: it burns me anyway.

I know what the ravages of my digestive system give: they were the ones who upset me in June 2018 and made me want to die. This is where I started xanax ... which had quickly calmed me down in small doses ...

I think these digestive PBs worsen W / D.

However, around 9am I saw myself go see my little niece by car.

I was interrupted in a hypnosis session while I was well and everything went into a spin. It was my father calling me. I did not answer and I wanted to finish my session of hypnosis but impossible: too worried. I called him back and as I suspected: bad news ...

 

Must also say that I have my period for 3 days. ^^

 

I would like to be home alone today !!!

 

I even blame myself for posting all this because I know you're reading. And you do not need to worry, you take care of yourself.

 

Think of you, my dear Erell, think of you especially. ❤️

 

Kisses

 

Vega

 

 

[rola]

@Vegalia

greeting vega 
You have to hold on, it's hard but you have to go through it. 
 your digestive problems may be due to your weaning. 
then you can always go to a gastroenterologist to reassure yourself.  Get these ideas out of your head, be confident and you will succeed. 
and just come here when you're not well. We'll always be there for you.
and thank you for passing through my wall. 
I kiss you and think about you. 😘

salut vega 
il faut que tu tiennes le coup , c'est dur mais il faut passer par là . 
 tes problèmes digestifs c'est peut être du  à ton sevrage . 
après tu peux toujours aller voir un gastro pour te rassurer.  Enlèves toi ces idées de la tête , sois confiante et tu vas y arriver . 
et justement viens ici quand tu n 'es pas bien . on sera toujours la pour toi .
et merci d'être passé sur mon mur 
je t 'embrasse et pense fort à toi . 

[Vegalia]

Coucou @rola

 

Je suis persuadée que seroplex me brûle.

J'ai connu ça avec d'autres médicaments anti-inflammatoires + IPP ça m'a donné d'abord horrible fatigue, puis diarrhées, puis brûlures et pancréatite. Ensuite angoisses et envie de mourir soudaines qui ont mené à prendre xanax.

Sertraline en titration m'a brûlée aussi et bien d'autres. Cela détruit mon estomac et mes intestins.

 

Là : même schéma.

 

Si je réduis pas cette inflammation ça n'ira pas. Je le sais. Je suis pliée en deux.

 

J'ai déjà vu un gastro. Je connais ce problème d'inflammation. Il me conseille de la glutamine qui m'a bien aidée par le passé, mais c'est pas compatible avec mes médicaments. Précurseur de glutamate qui agit sur les récepteurs GABA.

Je ne peux pas prendre non plus du charbon activé : incompatible aussi 

 

 

Hello @rola

I am convinced that seroplex burns me.

I have experienced this with other anti-inflammatory drugs + IPP it gave me at first horrible fatigue, then diarrhea, then burns and pancreatitis. Then anxiety and sudden desire to die that led to taking xanax.

Sertraline in titration and other médications. It destroyers my stomach and bowel.

Here: same scheme.

If I do not reduce this inflammation it will not go away. I know it. I am bent in half.

 

I have already seen a gastro. I know this problem of inflammation. He advises me glutamine that has helped me in the past, but it is not compatible with my medication. Precursor of glutamate that acts on GABA receptors.
I can not take activated charcoal: incompatible too.

 

 

Merci

 

Bisous.

[rola]

greeting vega 
try to ask here if you can change the seroplex with another antidepressant
because if it causes you all these problems, it's better to change it maybe the prozac. 
even if I'm against it because you don't know how you're going to react with another antidepressant. 
courage I am with you wholeheartedly 
kisses 😘

salut vega 
essaye de demander ici si tu peux changer le seroplex avec un autre antidépresseur
car si il te cause tous ces problèmes vaut mieux le changer peut être par ,le prozac  . 
meme si, je suis contre car tu ne sais pas comment tu vas réagir avec un autre antidépresseur . 
courage je suis de tout coeur avec toi 
bisous 

[Vegalia]

Oui, on ne sait pas la réaction

 

Quoique je fasse c'est risqué.

Sertraline me causait moins de problèmes que Venlafaxine et seroplex. Prozac, jamais pris alors... Encore plus hasardeux.

Les changements ne sont pas du tout bons, je le sais maintenant et comme je regrette...

En plus, je sais que je pourrai pas faire de diminution plus petites que le mg...Quelle galère... Peut-être que la titration passera à faibles doses ? Aucune idée.

Je n'en suis pas là. Il faut que j'empeche mon système digestif de se deteriorer et espérer une stabilisation. Pas question de sevrage pour l'instant 

 

Dans quel pétrin je me suis mise en écoutant des conseils farfelus. 😧.

 

Bisous et merci à toi.

 

Vega 

 

 

Yes, we do not know the reaction

 

Even though I do it is risky.

Sertraline caused me fewer problems than Venlafaxine and seroplex. Prozac, never taken then ... Even more hazardous.

The changes are not good at all, I know it now and as I regret ...

In addition, I know that I can not make a smaller decrease than the mg ... What a problem ... Maybe the titration will pass at low doses? No idea.

I'm not here. I must prevent my digestive system from deteriorating and hope for stabilization. No question of weaning for the moment

 

In what trouble I started listening to wacky advice. 😧.

 

Kisses and thank you.

[Vegalia]

Good morning,

 

9 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 6

 

Good sleep : midnight to 6.am. No bad wake. Nausea, stomach burning, usual aches to back, spine, head...

7.30 am: get up : dépression 5, anxiety 4, restlessness 4

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , aches reduced.

10. am : hypnosis. drowsiness but "awake" with téléphone.

11.am :  anxiety 6, restlessness 7, dépression 8.

11.30. am : suicidal ideas until 3 pm. Back, neck, head very doulourous : horrible.

noon :  eat, scitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea.aches to back, spine, neck, head horrible, stomach and bowel burning a lot. Spasmes.

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a lot.l, bowel spasmes.anxiéty 4, dépression 7, restlessness 6

6.30. pm : diner

8.pm : Rest in bed.Cry. suicidal ideas, restlessness 8, dépression 8.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea, stomach is burning, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 6.

10.30.pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg, go to bed with nausea, stomach and bowel burning, usual other aches...

Palpitations.

Sleep : 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Wake with pic of panic. Several other wakes with panic until 6 am. Back, spine, head are burning me a lot and very contracted. Dépression. 8.

 --> No crisis but limit. Very difficult with neuro émotions and very difficult with aches : torture.

Arms, legs, back burnings and contracted lot. Always pulsations in lips, tongue, muscle and stomach spasmes, very difficultés with neck and head, bruxisme. Stomach and bowel burning : horrible.

Suicidal ideas.

 

--> less DR/DP, les fog in Brain, les sensility to light and noise.

But other symptômes increase a lot. Unbearable.

 

I dont know what to do.

Had someone any advice please? Thank you So much.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega