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Hello @Sassenach, @Shep,

 

I dont want to disturb you, but have you some advices for me?

 

I try to be strong, I do a lot of self care but my situation is worse and worse.

I were very Grateful. 

 

Thank you very much ! 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

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Vegalia

Good morning,

 

10 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 7

 

Sleep : 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Wake with pic of panic. Several other wakes with panic until 6 am. Back, spine, head are burning me a lot and very contracted, burning, arms too. Dépression. 8. :(

7.30 am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 4, restlessness 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , other aches reduced a little.

10. am : hypnosis. drowsiness but "awake" by postman.

11.am :  anxiety 6, restlessness 7, dépression 5.

noon :  eat, escitalopram 1,50 mg, nausea.aches to back, spine, neck, head horrible, stomach and bowel burning a lot. Spasmes.

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a lot.l, bowel spasmes.anxiéty 4, dépression 7, restlessness 6

Hypnosis, drowsiness, awake by téléphone. Feel me 30 normal : window. Just stomach burning and nausea.

4.30.pm return of all aches +  Lips, tongue, jaw, nose tremors and tingling.Dépression 5, anxiety 6, restlessness 7.

6. pm : internal akathisy.

7. pm : diner

8.pm : rest in bed. Cry a little.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg. Nausea, stomach is burning, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 5. Feel me better.

11. pm :L-tryptophan 150 mg, go to bed with nausea, stomach and bowel burning, usual other aches...

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Several wakes until 6 am. Anxious, des pair, cry. All aches are horrible. Stomach and bowel in fire, nausea. Tension in head very hard. Rage. Very cold.

I have the impression that worms eat away at my stomach, my back, my brain

Lips, tongue, jaw, nose tremors and tingling, pulsation, teeth too. Ball in stomach almost all day.


 --> Hell.... Help...

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

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How can we help Vegalia?

 

Is there anything she can do about the fact that the med is burning her stomach ?

 

@Sassenach, @Shep ?

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On 12/9/2019 at 3:27 PM, Vegalia said:

I have already seen a gastro. I know this problem of inflammation. He advises me glutamine that has helped me in the past, but it is not compatible with my medication. Precursor of glutamate that acts on GABA receptors.
I can not take activated charcoal: incompatible too.

 

Hi Vega

 

Did you tell Gastro you cannot take Glutamine?

We have over the counter remedy in the UK called Gaviscon, don't know if it is available in France.

It is also available in a chewable tablet.

Milk of Magnesia is an old remedy.

Scrambled eggs can help providing you can tolerate them.

 

This is not something we know much about on this site but I am sorry you are not improving and hope some of the above is useful.

 

Sass

 

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15 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Vega

 

Did you tell Gastro you cannot take Glutamine?

We have over the counter remedy in the UK called Gaviscon, don't know if it is available in France.

It is also available in a chewable tablet.

Milk of Magnesia is an old remedy.

Scrambled eggs can help providing you can tolerate them.

 

This is not something we know much about on this site but I am sorry you are not improving and hope some of the above is useful.

 

Sass

 

 

Hello Sass,

 

Yes I did but he had no other solution.

Gaviscon seems to be bad with benzo with several person, that's why I dont take it.

 I saw my psychiatrist : she Sayed : it can't burning..

She dont want to change my AD. No sertraline and no escitalopram in tablett. She want I stop escitalopram in one month She's crazy...

 

I wondered me if it were somethng stupide to try to take escitalopram liquid in a caps ?

 

Thank you Sass

 

Vega

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Vegalia

Good morning,

 

11 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 150 mg day 8

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Several wakes until 6 am. Anxious, des pair, cry. All aches are horrible. Stomach and bowel in fire, nausea. Tension in head very hard.

7.am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 4, restlessness 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , other aches reduced a little.

10.am : anxiety 7, dépression 6, restlessness 5. Hypnosis.

11.30 am :  anxiety 7 restlessness 5, dépression 5, eat a little, escitalopram 1,5.

Go to psychiatrist with taxi. (That's why I took escitalopram earlier). Nausea, stomach burning.

1.45 am : back at home.anxiety 4, restlessness, 6-7, dépression 4. Cry but Feel me brave and strong.

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a little. Go to shop food with DR/ DP, Proud of me.

5.pm : hypnosis. Rest in bed until 6.45 pm.

7 pm : diner

8.pm : aches increase. Lips, tongue, jaw tremor.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 5. Feel me better.

11. pm :L-tryptophan 130 mg, go to bed with aches

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am. 2 small wakes during the night Feel me bad, pic of anxiety, cry, a lot of tension and internal tremor in head. Lips tremor.


 --> Restlessness was différent, less internal, more like agitation, nervosity.

Less nausea and stomach and bowel burning.Less dépression, less aches, more nervosity. A lot bruxism.

Hard day again but the less horrible I had since long time.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

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L'agitation était différente, moins interne, plus comme une agitation, une nervosité.

Moins de nausées et de brûlures d'estomac et d'intestin. Moins de dépression, plus de nervosité.

Encore une dure journée mais moins horrible depuis longtemps.

cool vega ,enfin tu as pu un peu respirer 

bisous 

Cool vega, well, you got a little breath. 

kisses 
 

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Vegalia

Hello @rola,

 

Thank you. :)

I have read your post today. I think on you very strong.

Every day is a fight. You are brave.

 

Kisses

 

Vega.

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22 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Gaviscon seems to be bad with benzo with several person, that's why I dont take it.

Where did this info. come from Vega?

 

Sass

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8 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Where did this info. come from Vega?

 

Sass

 Hello Sass,

 

On french forum. I have read it long time ago.

 

Also, gaviscon should be taken away from other drugs because it may reduce its effectiveness: this is on the leaflet.
Not easy with 4 shots a day.

 

Thank you Sass.

 

Vega.

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How has today been Vega?

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40 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

How has today been Vega?

 

A little les stomach and bowel burning.

I take care of what I eat, take my drugs with more water, I managed to less rest in bed, but not easy with other aches.

 

With mood I knew worse. Hard migraine and back very contracted...I will make my diary tomorrow I think.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Thank you Sass.

 

Good evening.

 

Vega

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Vegalia

Good morning,

 

12 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 1

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 am. 2 small wakes during the night Feel me bad, pic of anxiety, cry, a lot of tension and internal tremor in head. Lips tremor.

7.am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 4, restlessness 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , other aches reduced a little.

10.am : anxiety 4, depression 5 restlessness 5. Hypnosis. 

Noon : eat , escitalopram 1,5, anxiety 5 restlessness 6, dépression 5

1.30 pm : crisis of restlessness, internal akatisy but just 30 mn 

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a little.

4.pm : very hard migraine . However I make sôme little housework.

6.pm : kinésithérapy. Feel 50℅ better with migraine, but neck, back, spine, contracted, doulourous and very bad sensation. Nausea.

7.30 pm : take paracetamol 1 mg, diner 

8.30.pm : rest in bed, cardiac cohérence, cry.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 5. Feel me better.

10.30 pm :L-tryptophan 130 mg, go to bed with aches

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am and drowsiness until 6 am. Anxious, cry, feel me bad. A lot of nausea, very bad sensations in 

head, spine, back, stomach, bowel, restlessness. Very hard...


 

Less nausea and stomach and bowel burning.Less dépression, more aches, nervosity. A lot bruxism. Tremor in lips, tongue, jaw all day long. Legs like coton. Despair.

 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

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Vegalia

Hello,

 

My God...

I woke anxious with a lot of aches.

Now aches are bearable, but hard anxiety all morning. And now crisis of internal rage since 3 h it doesn't  stop, as I wanted all broken, scream.Nausea +++.

 

I tryed to change of channel : ice skating on TV, hypnose, look in the web for Christmas gifts. I think on positive things, I tell me is just symptôm and not me. 

 

I'm in hell, torture... It is 2 pm.

 

Should I stay as such doses of drugs?

 

@Shep, @Altostrata, have you advices?

 

Thank you so much.

 

Sorry it's too hard.

 

Vega 

 

PS start taper L-tryptophan 19 november : 200 mg --> +/- 130 mg now. But I sleep better.

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45 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

PS start taper L-tryptophan 19 november : 200 mg --> +/- 130 mg now. But I sleep better.

 

Vegalia, you stopped Lithium citrate on 13 November and reduced the tryptophan on 19 November, so you may be getting upticks in symptoms from these changes or it may just be a random wave. 

 

The fact that you're sleeping better is a good sign. 

 

Please update your signature to reflect your L-tryptophan reductions. A direct link to your signature is here:

 

Account Settings - Create or Update Your Signature

 

As your sleep improves, your other symptoms may, as well. 

 

You may want to stop tapering the L-tryptophan and give your nervous system a rest, especially since you started that taper so soon after tapering off the Lithium citrate.

 

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On 12/13/2019 at 2:48 PM, Shep said:

 

Vegalia, you stopped Lithium citrate on 13 November and reduced the tryptophan on 19 November, so you may be getting upticks in symptoms from these changes or it may just be a random wave. 

 

The fact that you're sleeping better is a good sign. 

 

Please update your signature to reflect your L-tryptophan reductions. A direct link to your signature is here:

 

Account Settings - Create or Update Your Signature

 

As your sleep improves, your other symptoms may, as well. 

 

You may want to stop tapering the L-tryptophan and give your nervous system a rest, especially since you started that taper so soon after tapering off the Lithium citrate.

 

Hello Shep,

 

I thought really to taper very slowly lithium citrate trace élément and L-tryptophan...

 

Thank you very much.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

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Good morning,

 

13 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 2

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am and drowsiness until 6 am. Anxious, cry, feel me bad. A lot of nausea, very bad sensations in 

head, spine, back, stomach, bowel, restlessness. Very hard...

7.am: get up : dépression 6, anxiety 7, restlessness 5.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning , other aches reduced a little.

11.am : anxiety 7, depression 5 restlessness 9. Internal rage until 3 pm.

Noon : eat , escitalopram 1,5 mg.

3.pm : Prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach is burning a little.

6.pm : migraine,neck, back, spine, contracted, doulourous and very bad sensation. Nausea.

7.30 pm :  diner 

8.30.pm : rest in bed, cardiac cohérence, cry.

9.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, anxiety 4, restlessness 4, dépression 5. Feel me better.

10.30 pm :L-tryptophan 130 mg, go to bed with aches.

 

 

14 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 3

Sleep 11.30 pm to 6 pm with one wake during night. Wake very anxious 7, despression 6, feel me bad, a lot of aches.

8.am : get up. Restlessness 6.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10. am : aches reduce a little.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat.

2.30 pm :go to my brother : good change of channel. (Of course I didnt drive) anxiéty 4, restlessness 3, dépression 4. Back and neck hard aches, head ache.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

5.30 pm : back at home.

7.30.pm : dîner aches increased : back, neck, arms burning a lot : 8.

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4.

10.30. pm : feel asleep and as I was going to faint.

Sleep 11.30. pm until 5.30 am. Wake me not very anxious. Nausea, horrible neck aches, arms burning a lot ! 

 

--> Yesterday Neuro émotions hard but bearable.

Aches very, very hard. Harder on morning and evening. Arms, shoulders, back, neck burning a lot : 8. Nausea, stomach burning. A lot of bruxism. Headhache 6.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

 

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Good morning

 

 

15 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 4

 

 

Sleep 11.30. pm until 5.30 am. Wake me not very anxious. Nausea, horrible neck aches, arms burning a lot ! 

8.am : get up. Restlessness 6,, anxiety 7, dépression 5 : the same almost the day.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10. am : aches reduce a little.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

7.30.pm : dîner aches increased : back, neck, arms burning a lot : 8.

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4.

10.30. pm : go to bed with aches, nausea and stomach and bowel burning.

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 pm. Woke in panic, cry. End of sleep...

 

--> Yesterday Neuro émotions very hard. Want to cry all day long. 

Aches very, very hard. Harder on morning and evening. Arms, shoulders, back, neck burning a lot : 8. Nausea, stomach burning. A lot of bruxism. Headhache 6. Ball in stomach.

 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

 

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Hello,

 

16 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 5

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 pm. Woke in panic, cry. End of sleep... 

7 am : get up. Restlessness 6,anxiety 7, dépression 5 : the same almost the day.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10. am : aches reduce a little.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning, very anxious.

2.30.pm : go to doctor for aches. No help.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

5.30 pm : back at home. Return of very hard aches.

7.30.pm : dîner aches increased : back, neck, arms burning a lot : 8.

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4.

10.30. pm : go to bed with aches, nausea and stomach and bowel burning.

Sleep midnigth to 5.30 am.

 

 

--> Yesterday Neuro émotions very hard. Want to cry all day long. 

Aches very, very hard.. Arms, shoulders, back, neck burning a lot : 8. Nausea, stomach burning. A lot of bruxism. Headhache 6. Ball in stomach.

Intrusives ideas a lot. Always in hell.

 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

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17 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 6.

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Woke in panic, cry. End of sleep... 

7 am : get up. Restlessness 7, anxiety 7, dépression 5, stomach and bowel in fire and ball in stomach all day. Aches and burning to back, neck, arms

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg

9.30.am : reslessness 8-9 crisis. Hypnosis, dont work a lot with neuro-emotion. Aches well reduce to 5

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning, very anxious.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

4.pm : anxiety 7-8

5.pm : go to kinésithérapy with panic

5.30 pm : back at home. Anxiety 5, restlessness 6, dépression 6. Return of aches.

7.30.pm : dîner

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4, always aches.), stomach and bowel in faire.

10.30. pm : L-tryptophane 130 mg, go to bed with aches, nausea and stomach and bowel burning.

Sleep 11.pm to 4.30 pm. Bad wake with hard pic of panic, horrible ball in stomach, anxiety 7, restlessness 8, dépression 6. Legs, back and arms in fire.

Feel me horrible this morning. I made cardiac cohérences and hypnosis. It doesnt really help. During hypnosis I have drowsiness and "wake" with panic several times. the noises startle me more and more since several dans.

 

 

--> Yesterday Neuro émotions very hard. Want to cry all day long. 

Aches. back, neck burning a little less hard. Arms burning increase. Nausea, stomach burning. A lot of bruxism. Headhache 6. Ball in stomach.

Intrusives ideas a lot.

--> I feel worse and worse since 3 months in the base line. Can't bear it.

All day I hope and is worse and worse. 

Just 2-3 hours an evening symptôms are bearable, before to sleep. The mornings are more and more horrible. Is not a life but an agony.

 

--> A little increase of escitalopram ?

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

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greeting vega 
courage I am with you wholeheartedly. 
I kiss you 

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Vegalia

Hello Rola,

 

Thank you.

 

Good morning


@Altostrata  have you an advice please.

 

Thank you So much.

 

Vega

 

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3 hours ago, Vegalia said:

--> A little increase of escitalopram ?

 

Vega, your signature states "L-tryptophane 200 mg -->130 mg courant."

 

When was the date of your last l-tryptophan reduction? Please include dates in your signature. 

 

Since l-tryptophan reduces serotonin, I'm not sure why you're now wanting to increase the escitalopram? 

 

If the last l-tryptophan reduction was recent, you may want to go back up if your symptoms have increased since reducing it. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Vega, your signature states "L-tryptophane 200 mg -->130 mg courant."

 

When was the date of your last l-tryptophan reduction? Please include dates in your signature. 

 

Since l-tryptophan reduces serotonin, I'm not sure why you're now wanting to increase the escitalopram? 

 

If the last l-tryptophan reduction was recent, you may want to go back up if your symptoms have increased since reducing it. 

 

 

Hello, 

 

I reduced 150 mg to 130 mg one week ago.

 

Thank you Shep.

 

Vega 

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Do you think it would help to increase the l-tryptophan, say up to 140 mg and see how you do? 

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11 minutes ago, Shep said:

Do you think it would help to increase the l-tryptophan, say up to 140 mg and see how you do? 

 I dont know Shep, if only it could.

 

What I sée, is that since 3 months in the base line I'm worse and worse with waves., but like "adverses waves."

 

curve fluctuating a bit but plunging down....and down...

Neuro-emotion Unbearable more and more, espacially internal akathisy and rage. I didn't have it before escitalopram fast taper...

 


 

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@Shep

 

However, my state is often " bearable" on evening from 8-9 pm.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

@Shep

 

However, my state is often " bearable" on evening from 8-9 pm.

 

 

 

If this is a new pattern, then you may be stabilizing.

 

I just went back and re-read part of your thread and found the below conversation, which I've quoted regarding when you increased the escitalopram for one day last month.  Whether you'll want to updose the escitalopram is unclear due to the other changes you've made, but if you do increase it, you'll need to take that dose for longer than one day.

 

Also, going from 1.50 mg to 1.75 mg may have been too high an increase. If you're unsure whether or not an increase will help, it's really best to hold and not make any changes. As we've discussed, you've come off the lithium supplement and decreased the L-tryptophane by 45% within the past couple of months, so your nervous system may need to rest without any changes for a month or more. 

 

 

On 11/14/2019 at 8:31 AM, Vegalia said:

I want to be honest with you: in panic today, I made an update at 1.75 mg. I immédiately regreted it. 2 hours after I have less aches, but I feel elsewhere, as if my brain were extinguished. Sorry, I paniced. Panic is a bad adwicer, I know it...

 

On 11/16/2019 at 6:37 AM, Vegalia said:

I took back 1.50 mg. I think that the majority of my symptoms are a problem of AD and not of benzo:I am almost 100 ℅ sure.

In spite of that no one did propose me of update of the escitalopram: surely for a very good reason. So...

 

On 11/17/2019 at 9:47 AM, Shep said:

Vega, do you mean you increased the escitalopram to 1.75 mg? And then reduced to 1.50 mg? 

 

On 11/17/2019 at 10:13 AM, Vegalia said:

Yes, I did it. 👎

I paniced, I know is bad... 😢

 

On 11/17/2019 at 10:22 AM, Shep said:

I would not say it's bad because you answered a question - you were wondering if updosing the antidepressant would be helpful and now you know it did not help. It can take 4 days for your nervous system to register a change, so it may be that you didn't give it time. However, since you recently came off the lithium supplement, you may want to stop making changes for awhile and see if your nervous system can become more stable.

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Vegalia, 

 

je viens de relire ton fil pour tenter de voir s'il y avait des évolutions.

 

---> Il y a un environ un an, tu es passée de la venlafaxine à la sertraline. puis de la sertraline à l'Escitalopram. Tu as ensuite baissé rapidement l'Escitalopram.

 

--> Durant cette période, tu es passée au Prazepam, que tu as ensuite sevré en partie.

 

--> Le 28 Septembre, il y a deux mois et demi, tu es passée de 1.38 mg d'Escitalopram à 1,5 mg d'Escitalopram.

 

--> A partir de là, certains jours montrent des améliorations : 11/24/25/28/29 Octobre,  3 Novembre, 9 Novembre ("80% normale" ). Je sais que ça ne veut pas dire que tes journées étaient faciles, ou agréables, mais ça veut dire que ton système nerveux commençait à répondre positivement, aussi infimes soient les progrès.

 

--> Le 4 Novembre tu testes 1.75mg (pendant un ou deux jours?). 

 

--> Pendant ce temps tu as également sevré le citrate de lithium et tu es en train de sevrer le l-tryptophane.

 

Je sais à quel point c'est difficile et comme les journées peuvent être longues et tortueuses. Notre seule envie à ce moment là est de trouver une action concrète qui nous permettra d'aller mieux, rapidement. Mais je crois que ton cerveau a subi beaucoup de changements en peu de temps : il est possible que ton organisme est seulement besoin de stabilité et de calme, sans changements pendant plusieurs mois.

Ton cerveau n'est pas foutu : il se remodèlera avec la dose. Malheureusement, cela peut prendre du temps. Mais tu es forte, et nous avons beaucoup d’exemples de personnes qui guérissent !

 

 

Concernant une augmentation, aussi difficile que soit cette décision, je crains que seule toi puisse la prendre. 

 

Je t'embrasse très fort Vega ❤️

 

 

( Translation in English

 

I just read your thread to try to see if there were an evolution.

 

--> Around one year ago, you switched from Venlafaxine to Sertraline. Then from Sertraline to Escitalopram. Then you tapperd quickly Escitalopram.

 

--> In the mean time, you switched to Prazepam, which you tappered partly.

 

--> On 28 September, you updosed Escitalopram, from 1,38mg to 1,5mg.

 

--> From there, some days show improvments : 11/24/25/28/29 October; 3 November, 9 November ( ("80% normal"). I know it doesn't mean that your days were easy, or pleasant, but it means that your CNS was starting to answer positivly, even if progress were small.

 

---> On the 4th November, you try 1.75 mg (for one day or two days?)

 

---> During this time you also tappered lithium citrate and you are tappering l-tryptophane.

 

 

I know how hard it is, and how days can be long and tortuous. Our only desire in these times is to find an action that could make us feel better, quickly. But I think that your brain have seen a lot of changes in short time : it is possible that your body only need stability and calm for now, without changes for several months.

Your brain is not dead : it will remodel around your dose. Unfortunately it can take time. But you are strong, and we have many examples around us of people healing !

 

About an updose, as diificult as can be the decision, I'm afraid you are the only one who can take it.)

 

 

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Merci@Erell

 

Cette rage interne c'est terrible. Et les douleurs physique. Les crises...

 

je voudrais être seule...

mon compagnon va avoir 15 j de vacances. Retenir les crises est si dur.

 

ma psy veut me faire tout arrêter l'AD en un mois..

si bien que je n'ai que pour 41 semaines d'AD en stock. :(

 

 

je t'embrasse

 

vega

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2 hours ago, Shep said:

 

If this is a new pattern, then you may be stabilizing.

 

I just went back and re-read part of your thread and found the below conversation, which I've quoted regarding when you increased the escitalopram for one day last month.  Whether you'll want to updose the escitalopram is unclear due to the other changes you've made, but if you do increase it, you'll need to take that dose for longer than one day.

 

Also, going from 1.50 mg to 1.75 mg may have been too high an increase. If you're unsure whether or not an increase will help, it's really best to hold and not make any changes. As we've discussed, you've come off the lithium supplement and decreased the L-tryptophane by 45% within the past couple of months, so your nervous system may need to rest without any changes for a month or more. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Thank you Shep,

 

Altostrata advices me to taper the complément, So I dit, but I didn't thought that I did it maybe too fast...

I thought when I arrivered hère, after read informations about reinstatement, that you maybe adviced a updose.

I know you have your reason to not have given me this advice.

 

My God....why were I be inable to stop xanax 0,25 mg only after 10 days... Nothing of that would be happen, if I managed... 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

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Vegalia, thank your for your excellent daily notes. I think you may be experiencing antidepressant withdrawal syndrome and side effects of prazepam. Many of our members taking a benzo for withdrawal symptoms also feel adverse effects from the benzo, but the benzo does help with some symptoms.

 

On 10/10/2019 at 4:11 AM, Vegalia said:

Hello Altostrata, 

 

Are you feeling "depression" as demotivation or sluggishness ?

 

Sorry, sluggishness is a synomym of léthargy?

If it is : since about 1,5  month i felled So, but no démotivation.I dont thougt it was dépression but hard tireness.

Since about 2-3 weeks both. And now moments of dispair.

 

I would Cook, eat, have activities, but it is as I was blocked by something stonger than me, which I can't fight or ignore.

Is not rationnal for me to not be abble to do things who are very simple and good for me, as I was paralized by something stronger than my will who as always been very strong...

 

I hope that you untersand my answer.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Vega

 

 

Please keep in mind that your demotivation and tiredness coincides with your starting of prazepam. Fatigue and apathy could be a side effect of prazepam.

 

On 11/14/2019 at 5:31 AM, Vegalia said:

I want to be honest with you: in panic today, I made an update at 1.75 mg. I immédiately regreted it. 2 hours after I have less aches, but I feel elsewhere, as if my brain were extinguished. Sorry, I paniced. Panic is a bad adwicer, I know it...

 

Since several days I feel more and more cognitives problèms ..as I was really ill, as my brain didn't want to work anymore. It scare me. But I know that is drugs. 

 

Vega.

 

5 hours ago, Shep said:

 

If this is a new pattern, then you may be stabilizing.

 

I just went back and re-read part of your thread and found the below conversation, which I've quoted regarding when you increased the escitalopram for one day last month.  Whether you'll want to updose the escitalopram is unclear due to the other changes you've made, but if you do increase it, you'll need to take that dose for longer than one day.

 

Also, going from 1.50 mg to 1.75 mg may have been too high an increase. If you're unsure whether or not an increase will help, it's really best to hold and not make any changes. As we've discussed, you've come off the lithium supplement and decreased the L-tryptophane by 45% within the past couple of months, so your nervous system may need to rest without any changes for a month or more. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems some of your symptoms improved after the escilatopram updose, but I agree with Shep --  small as it was, it might have been too much of an increase.

 

What happened to Shep's plan to consolidate the prazepam doses to twice a day? This will better able you to manage the prazepam dosing when you want to taper off.

 

9 hours ago, Vegalia said:

17 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 6.

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. Woke in panic, cry. End of sleep... 

7 am : get up. Restlessness 7, anxiety 7, dépression 5, stomach and bowel in fire and ball in stomach all day. Aches and burning to back, neck, arms

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg

9.30.am : reslessness 8-9 crisis. Hypnosis, dont work a lot with neuro-emotion. Aches well reduce to 5

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning, very anxious.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

4.pm : anxiety 7-8

5.pm : go to kinésithérapy with panic

5.30 pm : back at home. Anxiety 5, restlessness 6, dépression 6. Return of aches.

7.30.pm : dîner

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4, always aches.), stomach and bowel in faire.

10.30. pm : L-tryptophane 130 mg, go to bed with aches, nausea and stomach and bowel burning.

Sleep 11.pm to 4.30 pm. Bad wake with hard pic of panic, horrible ball in stomach, anxiety 7, restlessness 8, dépression 6. Legs, back and arms in fire.

Feel me horrible this morning. I made cardiac cohérences and hypnosis. It doesnt really help. During hypnosis I have drowsiness and "wake" with panic several times. the noises startle me more and more since several dans.

 

 

--> Yesterday Neuro émotions very hard. Want to cry all day long. 

Aches. back, neck burning a little less hard. Arms burning increase. Nausea, stomach burning. A lot of bruxism. Headhache 6. Ball in stomach.

Intrusives ideas a lot.

--> I feel worse and worse since 3 months in the base line. Can't bear it.

All day I hope and is worse and worse. 

Just 2-3 hours an evening symptôms are bearable, before to sleep. The mornings are more and more horrible. Is not a life but an agony.

 

--> A little increase of escitalopram ?

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

I thought you had stopped the tryptophan? Do you feel any benefit from it? Do you take it twice a day?

 

How often do you feel nausea or stomach burning after taking escilatopram in the morning? Do you get more anxious after you take it? If so, it may not be a good idea to increase it.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, thank your for your excellent daily notes. I think you may be experiencing antidepressant withdrawal syndrome and side effects of prazepam. Many of our members taking a benzo for withdrawal symptoms also feel adverse effects from the benzo, but the benzo does help with some symptoms.

 

 

Please keep in mind that your demotivation and tiredness coincides with your starting of prazepam. Fatigue and apathy could be a side effect of prazepam.

 

 

 

It seems some of your symptoms improved after the escilatopram updose, but I agree with Shep --  small as it was, it might have been too much of an increase.

 

What happened to Shep's plan to consolidate the prazepam doses to twice a day? This will better able you to manage the prazepam dosing when you want to taper off.

 

 

I thought you had stopped the tryptophan? Do you feel any benefit from it? Do you take it twice a day?

 

How often do you feel nausea or stomach burning after taking escilatopram in the morning? Do you get more anxious after you take it? If so, it may not be a good idea to increase it.

 

 

 Hello Altostrata,

 

I feel less dépression and apathy and tyredness, even if it is always present. I didn't feel deptession on my life and such apathy until +/- 3 months. 

 

For the plan of Shep with prazepam, we agreed together to stay with 3 times : to affraid to déstabilize me more...

 

For L-tryptophan it vas been advice me to not taper So fast, So I dix.

I dont know if it help me. I take it one time a day 130 mg current before to sleep.

 

Nausea and burning all day long but increase :

After prazepam and one hour after escitalopram.

For your last question, I take escitalopram at noon.

Anxiety, rage, agitation are usually worse on morning and afternoon and lees strong gradualy. Often more bearable on evening. Feel me really better after prazepam at 9 pm.

 

Strange schéma.

 

Thank you Altostrata.

 

I will résume tomorrow évolution of symptôms.

In the base line :

- less : DP/DR, fog in Brain, dépression, apathy, sensibility to light, problèm of equilibrium, hypnagogique hallucinations (noises)

- More and more : nausea, stomach and bowel burning, more and more aches and burning to back, nek, spine, head, arms, agitation and internal akathisy. Crisis. Anxiety like pic of cortisol when I wake : recent symptôm.

 

I wish my english is not too bad.

 

Thank you.

 

Vega

 

 

 

 

 

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It appears you're having an adverse reaction to escilatopram. Increasing it may increase the adverse reaction.

 

This puts you in a difficult position. Should you switch to a different SSRI? Fluoxetine or citalopram, escilatopram's sibling, are possibilities.

 

You started escilatopram to replace sertraline, correct? And you were taking sertraline to replace venlafaxine? Why did you make those drug changes?

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

It appears you're having an adverse reaction to escilatopram. Increasing it may increase the adverse reaction.

 

This puts you in a difficult position. Should you switch to a different SSRI? Fluoxetine or citalopram, escilatopram's sibling, are possibilities.

 

You started escilatopram to replace sertraline, correct? And you were taking sertraline to replace venlafaxine? Why did you make those drug changes?

 I think So..

Venlafaxine to sertraline : my psychiatrist because I had bad réactions with . Good taper of sertraline but not precize :not possible under a mg .masterful preparation. No liquide in France only caps I tryed to titrate = burning a lot stomach.. I let me influenced by switch of french forum by an advice a Nice person which had m'aide a change sucessfully, for to be more précise : terrible error of me. I shoose escitalopram and not Fluoxetine because I was to affraid to be nervous with it.

However, my psychiatist didn't want to prescrive me Fluoxetine.

 

Now, she didn't want to prescrive me any antidépressant anymore, even sertraline that it was better than Venlafaxine or escitalopram. : she want I stop it in one month.

She want to give me Iamotrigine 25 mg. Horror...

 

Adverses réactions to antidépressant are always very complicated... I always had, but with sertraline it was less strong and I had much benzo.

I tapered benzo because I was like a zombie...lost my memory, inhable to drive and my doctor wanted I go to work again...and she reduced my prescription of benzo. I tapered benzo  not So fast that she wanted

 

I did errors and errors... 

 

Vega

 

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If escilatopram causes nausea and burning in your stomach frequently, you may be having an adverse reaction to it. Increasing it will increase the adverse reaction.

 

Please note when you get the nausea and burning in your stomach.

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