Vegalia: Escitalopram and Lysanxia ( prazepam)

[Vegalia]

Hello,

 

18 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 130 mg day 7

 

Sleep 11.pm to 4.30 pm. Bad wake with hard pic of panic, horrible ball in stomach, nausea, burning, I feel like I have acid flowing in my stomach: worse from day to day

Anxiety 7, restlessness 8, dépression 6. Legs, back and arms in fire.

7.am: get up, feel me horrible.

7.30 am : made cardiac cohérency and hypnosis I have drowsiness and "wake" with panic several times. the noises startle me more and more since several days : problem with hypnagogique moments 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning.

9.30.am :. Hypnosis, dont work a lot with neuro-emotion. Aches well reduce to 5

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning, very anxious.

2 pm : crisis : internal akathisy.

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning.

7.30.pm : dîner

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4, always aches, stomach and bowel in fire.

10.30. pm : L-tryptophane 140 mg, go to bed with aches, nausea and stomach and bowel burning.
Sleep 11.pm to 4.30 pm. Bad wake with hard pic of panic, horrible ball in stomach, nausea, burning, I feel like I have acid flowing in my stomach..

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

5 hours ago, Altostrata said:

If escilatopram causes nausea and burning in your stomach frequently, you may be having an adverse reaction to it. Increasing it will increase the adverse reaction.

 

Please note when you get the nausea and burning in your stomach.

 

Hello Altostrata,

 

I could say it is all day long now and more and more every day, even if some moments in day it burning more or less, it always Burns. 

When I smoke it Burns more to : I try to smoke a little les.

When I rest in bed, it Burns more to : I try to less rest in bed but diffult with all aches in my body.

My digestiv système have damage. I saw my psychiatrist in émergency for this problèm to find a solution: she Sayed it can't Burns... But stop it. DA is wrong for you. 

 

Bad idea to take escitalopram liquid in a caps ?

 

I often had stomach burning with a lot of drugs, before I took benzo and AD. With, antibiotics, I dont bear, I am anti-inflammatory intolérant, and other drugs to.

 

I suffer a lot with thèse hard burnings to stomach.

Neck, back, head aches and burning are Unbearable. Is more bearable with legs and arms. But all thèse aches are worse and worse.

Other problème : internal akathisy with crisis : horrrible.

 

The other symptômes are "bererable."

I have So much symptôms and is not in the same intensity all the day.

If I write all in my diary it will be very long diary...

 

Exemple for today it is 8.30 am now :

4. 30 am : woke in panic anxiety 7

4.45 am : legs burning, nausea, stomach burning, I feel like acide in my stomach and always until now. Less anxiety

5 am to 6 : drowsiness with a lot of wakes : strange hypnagoqique stage.

6 am :  "wake"by alarm : nausea, stomach burning, I feel like acide in my stomach ( and always until now).Legs are no more burning. Back, neck, spine very contracted and burning a lot. Bruxism. Feel me agitated. Try to calm with cardiac cohérency.

7 am : get up, less back, neck, spine aches, but arms burning, tension in head. I am less agitated. Anxiety at 4. 

7.30 am : restlessness 5 and up to 8 at 8 am. Internal rage and internal akathisy.

8 am : intrusive image and idea : récurrent  the same. This stage is Unbearable.

 

My state is changing a lot on the day. I dont feel the words to de scribe all my symptôms : for exemple with my haed I have a lot of different physical horrible sensations that I Never had before.

 

I have adverse effect and W/D...I know it...

 

Thank you

 

Vega.

 

 

[Altostrata]

11 hours ago, Vegalia said:

made cardiac cohérency

 

What does this mean? Calming your heartrate?

 

It could be the stomach problem is something else. Have you had a test for h. pylori? Any other examinations for gastrointestinal problems?

 

22 hours ago, Vegalia said:

 I think So..

Venlafaxine to sertraline : my psychiatrist because I had bad réactions with . Good taper of sertraline but not precize :not possible under a mg .masterful preparation. No liquide in France only caps I tryed to titrate = burning a lot stomach.. I let me influenced by switch of french forum by an advice a Nice person which had m'aide a change sucessfully, for to be more précise : terrible error of me. I shoose escitalopram and not Fluoxetine because I was to affraid to be nervous with it.

However, my psychiatist didn't want to prescrive me Fluoxetine.

 

Now, she didn't want to prescrive me any antidépressant anymore, even sertraline that it was better than Venlafaxine or escitalopram. : she want I stop it in one month.

She want to give me Iamotrigine 25 mg. Horror...

 

Adverses réactions to antidépressant are always very complicated... I always had, but with sertraline it was less strong and I had much benzo.

I tapered benzo because I was like a zombie...lost my memory, inhable to drive and my doctor wanted I go to work again...and she reduced my prescription of benzo. I tapered benzo  not So fast that she wanted

 

I did errors and errors... 

 

Vega

 

 

What kind of bad reactions did you have to venlafaxine? You've been taking a benzo only since you switched to sertaline?

 

My guess is you've never gotten along well with the antidepressants and haven't done well with the switches, either. Your withdrawal syndrome may date from when you switched from venlafaxine to sertraline. The continuing venlafaxine withdrawal symptoms caused you to switch to escilatopram.

 

Did you feel better when you increased escilatopram?

 

[Vegalia]

3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

What does this mean? Calming your heartrate?

 

It could be the stomach problem is something else. Have you had a test for h. pylori? Any other examinations for gastrointestinal problems?

 

 

What kind of bad reactions did you have to venlafaxine? You've been taking a benzo only since you switched to sertaline?

 

My guess is you've never gotten along well with the antidepressants and haven't done well with the switches, either. Your withdrawal syndrome may date from when you switched from venlafaxine to sertraline. The continuing venlafaxine withdrawal symptoms caused you to switch to escilatopram.

 

Did you feel better when you increased escilatopram?

 

 

Hello Altostra 

 

1. Cardiac coherence is a breathing exercise to relax, very good  My heartrate is ok., no problem. 

 

2.I did 2 years ago. No Helicobacter pylori. I have sometimes gastritis. My digestive system is very fragile since long time. 

 

3 benzo started one month before Venlafaxine. 0,25 mg xanax : I try to stop it 10 days after : I didn't managed. 😞 A second time I tryed 15 days later I didn't managed. 

Horrible various symptôms the first days of venlafaxine (brain zaps, hard nausea, hard migraine, tachycardia, problem of equiliibrium...). I wanted to stop it but psychiatrist convinced me not do stop...It was prescribed me to stop benzo...I thought it was the only solution to stop benzo before dependence I was so afraid with benzo and dependence, I didn't know any people who gave had difficulties to stop antidepressants... 

He had changed my benzo to clotiazepam too..And after 2 weeks I felt me nervous. After less of 3 weeks I reduced from 75 mg to 37,5mg : nervosity disappeared, felt me good (honey moon?)Change of psychiatrist. She convinced me it was not enough for anxiety and stop benzo.. . go back to 75 mg. 3weeks and I felt very nervous again. She convinced  me to try another antidepressant : sertraline. Beginning of arms and legs aches.. . After one month of sertraline 50 mg nervous, agitated again. So I begin to taper sertraline. Felt better but always arms and the aches but reduced. With 5 mg escitalopram : very nervous again after one week.. . 

 

4. Yes possible... .

 

5. From which increase are you talking please? From 1,25 to 1,38 and to 1,50? Or the 2 days I increased from 1,50 to 1,75? 

 

I am sorry, my story is so complicated.. . 

 

Thank you Altostra. 🙏

 

Vega

 

 

 

 

[Altostrata]

You started taking Xanax before you took venlafaxine? Why? Why was venlafaxine added?

 

It still seems likely your withdrawal syndrome dates from when you switched from venlafaxine to sertraline -- unless you tried to quit a benzo at the same time.

 

5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

She convinced me it was not enough for anxiety and stop benzo.. . go back to 75 mg. 3weeks and I felt very nervous again. She convinced  me to try another antidepressant : sertraline. Beginning of arms and legs aches.. . After one month of sertraline 50 mg nervous, agitated again. So I begin to taper sertraline. Felt better but always arms and the aches but reduced. With 5 mg escitalopram : very nervous again after one week.. .

 

So you did stop the benzo, increase venlafaxine to 75mg, and then switched to sertraline?

 

You've always had a bad reaction to escilatopram? It does not seem that escilatopram is the right drug for your reinstatement.

 

You've been up and down with escilatopram since July. Very unclear whether it has any benefit. It's possible that if you tapered off it, you might feel better -- if your core condition is benzo withdrawal syndrome complicated by adverse effects of escilatopram. @Shep what do you think?

[Vegalia]

Hello 

 

* 1.Why I took xanax : 

19 June 2018 : operated for endometriosis.

Taking NSAIDs that I finally agreed to take 48 hours despite my reluctance because I am intolerant of it at the insistence of the anesthesiologist. Taking esomeprazole at the same time.

Result   my whole digestive system in completely loose. Extreme fatigue, I am on the verge of discomfort several times a day. Many blood tests done, everything is normal. I end up going back to work for two weeks, but I am exhausted, I feel dizzy, still digestive troubles, I have pain in the floating coats on the left.

I refused to take xanax 0.25 at bedtime prescribed by my GP but I was willing to take Berroca and Spasmine (no effect).

26 July I stop the esomeprazole and I take by myself marine magnesium 200 mg it seems to me only once, with advice from the pharmacy, because I do not want xanax: insomnia, but I do not worry not. Then everything reverses in two days, I go from one extreme to the other

28 july : no more drowsiness during the day, no "discomfort", no dizziness but unbearable anguish (I had never experienced that), I have the impression of going crazy, it is not a question of crises of anxiety but permanent anxiety. I sleep 2 to 3 hours a night and sometimes twice. I do not understand what is happening to me. I am terrified and obsessed with my sleep and my anxiety, I would like to be asleep to have peace so much I suffer. I can no longer bear noise, hardly light. I can hardly eat anymore and in 2 months I lost 8 kg. A hellish cycle begins. I panic, I want to find an emergency solution. At the same time I make new analyzes not prescribed at the last assessment, everything is normal except for one thing: I did a pancreatitis, visibly slight however, this is what was diagnosed in any case (blood test + scanner) .
Wanting to act in an emergency, I make the wrong choice, I ask to be hospitalized in HP, which has brought me nothing. I find a bad psychiatrist then a liberal who does anything.

 

To sum up :

29 July 2018 : start xanax with almost every day 0,125 mg twice a day.

03 August : I felt good I did not take it.  

04 august : horror : anxiety, anguish, I take 0,125 x 3

05 August :  0, 125 x 2 again 

11 august : fell better but go to Hospital (error) : the dose was increased :  2 x 0.25. My situation then improved again, I slept better, less anxiety.

18 August : at home, I do not take the 0.25 in the morning, just 0,25 on evening : several days of horror: anxiety, poor sleep even if I took again 0,.25 x 2 immediately on 19 August. 

*1 : 28 August :  Stop xanax replaced by clotiazepam 5mg x 2, introduction of venlafaxine 75 mg. Prescription from liberal psychiatrist :he Sayed me : Venlafaxine is good to stop hard anxiéty, no dépendence  and you will  be able to stop fast the benzo.

Anxiety disappeared! Difficult beginnings with a lot of side effects from Venlafaxine and after two weeks I really feel better.

13 september : I take 2.5 mg clotiazepam in the morning and 5 mg on evening everything is fine.

14 september : heavy fatigue, headache with same dose as the day before

15 september : big anxiety in the morning, balance problems, I take 2 x 5 mg of clotiazepam. 

19 september : Venlafaxine LP lowered to 37.5 mg following because too much agitation

4 october :  Prazepam liquid : 5mg, 5 mg, 7,5 mg Venlafaxine LP 75 mg

13 october : Prazepam 3,5 mg, 3,5 mg, 7,5 mg : It is going well.

17 october :  Prazepam 3,5 mg, 3,5 mg, 6,5 mg : I am not at all anxious, nor shot, some tingling in the arms but I do not pay too much attention. On the other hand, I feel the agitation come back (hard to hold in place).

18 october : switch Venlaxine LP 37.5 mg, Sertraline 25 mg

25 october : Prazepam 10 mg x 3

11 october : Sertraline 50...

[Vegalia]

5 hours ago, Altostrata said:

You started taking Xanax before you took venlafaxine? Why? Why was venlafaxine added?

 

It still seems likely your withdrawal syndrome dates from when you switched from venlafaxine to sertraline -- unless you tried to quit a benzo at the same time.

 

 

So you did stop the benzo, increase venlafaxine to 75mg, and then switched to sertraline?

 

You've always had a bad reaction to escilatopram? It does not seem that escilatopram is the right drug for your reinstatement.

 

You've been up and down with escilatopram since July. Very unclear whether it has any benefit. It's possible that if you tapered off it, you might feel better -- if your core condition is benzo withdrawal syndrome complicated by adverse effects of escilatopram. @Shep what do you think?

 Hello Altostrata, Hello Shep, 

 

I tryed to explain and answer your questions my last post. 

 

Bad reactions to escitalopram began 1 week after start. 

But I reduced too fast... Please look at my signature. 

 

 

Thank  you a lot. 

 

Vega

 

 

[Vegalia]

On 10/4/2019 at 11:33 AM, Erell said:

Vegalia's post translation  :

 

" hello

Here is my very complex drugs history.

I put Some comments : they won't necessarily be put in the signature To make sure she is clear.

 

I have To highlight the fact that ADs give me serious adverse reactions. After 2 weeks of Venlafaxine 75mg lp, I had High restlessness. As my state was getting worse after 3 weeks, I decided To cut it half To take only 37.5mg and then restlessness decreased.

My psychiatrist wanted To try again : I went back to 75mg and after 2 weeks my restlessness increased a lot.

Then we tried a bridge To Sertraline, and again I had a lot of restlessness, felt really angry and dishinibited. 

My restlessness and angry feelings were very hard To contain.

With Sertraline, I also had big muscles pain, prickles in the arms and legs.

I decided To decrease my Sertraline dose : restlessness and angry feelings decreased too. However I still was dishinibited.

While I was decreasing Sertraline's doses, I  felt really drugged so I held on 25mg To stabilize, and reduced my benzo.

I felt almost stable for a while, but after 2months restlessness was coming back, and also angry feelings. Angry feelings were really hard To cope, but fortunately I managed To. I also was feeling very disinhibited.

 

So I decided To stop the ADs but, in France, you can only find Sertraline in capsules and the powder is very thin so you can't use a précision scale.

I tried To titrage it in water, but the powder did not dilute Well, and most of all it has burned my digestive system in 3 days.

My psychiatrist didn't want To prescribe me for doses prepared by pharmacist smaller of 1 mg, so I couldn't control precises changes of doses. 

That is why a new bridge has been done To liquid Escitalopram. However , equivalencies between these 2 drugs are not precise. 

 

I started with 5mg and was feeling very angry with a lot of restlessness. So I reduced To 4mg.

This restlessness and angry feelings became more and more intense, so I  tappered fast, probably too fast, but my irritation was so hard To control,  and it decreased everytime I tappered.

 

I think the equivalency between the 2 drugs wasn't the good one for me. This is why I think it is not good To updose To 5mg. 

 

My situation  is very complicated and now I know I should have reduced the Ad's dose as soon as I started To take it, and do it fast. I could feel it, But everybody around me was telling me To keep the AD to tapper the benzo first...

 

I also wanna highlight the fact that, before all this, I had never been through dépression. I agreed To take an AD just because i've been told it would help me To calm down my anxiety and To not become dépendant on benzos.

 

I just became dépendent on benzo really fast, and I should just have tappered it very slowly.

But now I think benzo helped me To manage the harder WD symptoms of my AD (restlessness and irritation)...

 

Erell, if you translate this, you can summarize it, I have not been very concise. 

I really don't want To overwhelm you. 

(Ps : I didnt summarize)

 

I already wanna thank you for your advices and apologize for not being able To speak correctly in English. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vegalia]

19 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep 11.pm to 4.30 pm. Bad wake with hard pic of panic, horrible ball in stomac, nausea, stomach burning, I feel like acide in my stomach., legs burning. 

5 am to 6 : drowsiness with a lot of wakes : strange hypnagoqique stage.

6 am :  "wake"by alarm : nausea, stomach burning, I feel like acide in my stomach.Legs are no more burning. Back, neck, spine very contracted and burning a lot. Bruxism. Feel me agitated. Try to calm with cardiac cohérence.

7 am : get up, less back, neck, spine aches, but arms burning, tension in head. I am less agitated. Anxiety at 4. 

7.30 am : restlessness 5 and up to 8 at 8 am. Internal rage and internal akathisy.

8 am : intrusive image and idea : récurrent  the same. This stage is Unbearable.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning.

10.30 am   less aches and less stomach burning. 

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg, eat, nausea, stomach is burning

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach always burning.

Hypnosis :good.

4.30 am : a lot of back aches and burning, headache, go to Kinesitherapy. 

7.30.pm : dîner

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4, less aches to back, neck and head but legs and arms burning, stomach not burning a lot. 

11. pm : L-tryptophane 140 mg

Sleep midnight to 5.30 am. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

To be more precize , @Altostrata and @Shep

 

 

Quote

 

So you did stop the benzo, increase venlafaxine to 75mg, and then switched to sertraline?

 

 

 

 

I didn't stop benzo at this time, on the contrary. Just one day In didn't take it : 3 august, 5 days after start benzo. My psychiatrist Sayed I needed more antidépressant to be abble to stop benzo gradually. I thought she was Wright, and as I was affraid by benzo dangers I accepted to take, increase, change antidépressant to be abble to stop benzo. 

I didn't knew that antidépressant were so dangerous and thought they was easy to stop, as doctors Sayed...

 

 

 

Vega. 

[Vegalia]

11 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

To be more precize , @Altostrata and @Shep

 

 

 

I didn't stop benzo at this time, on the contrary. Just one day In didn't take it : 3 august, 5 days after start benzo. My psychiatrist Sayed I needed more antidépressant to be abble to stop benzo gradually. I thought she was Wright, and as I was affraid by benzo dangers I accepted to take, increase, change antidépressant to be abble to stop benzo. 

I didn't knew that antidépressant were so dangerous and thought they was easy to stop, as doctors Sayed...

I discover difficulties to stop anti depressant after 2 weeks... I started it.

 

Vega. 

 

Sorry, I wanted to edit and not to quote and post again. 

[Altostrata]

Except for skipping one dose, you've been taking a benzo continuously since July 29, 2018?

 

It appears you're getting nausea from the escilatopram, but it's not clear if it has any beneficial effect later. You do seem to have better evenings.

 

Could you move your escilatopram dose earlier by an hour each day until you're taking it at 8 a.m.? Please keep daily notes throughout this process. It will show which symptoms "travel" with the escilatopram.

 

If the gastritis preceded your psychiatric drug treatment, you need to figure out how to reduce it. It's not due to the drugs. Have you tried an exclusion diet Elimination or exclusion diets for reactions to food (food intolerance) ?

 

Do you drink a lot of coffee? Any alcohol?

[Vegalia]

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

À part sauter une dose, vous prenez un benzo en continu depuis le 29 juillet 2018?

 

Il semble que l'escilatopram vous cause des nausées, mais il n'est pas clair s'il a un effet bénéfique plus tard. Vous semblez avoir de meilleures soirées.

 

Pourriez-vous déplacer votre dose d'escilatopram plus tôt d'une heure chaque jour jusqu'à ce que vous la preniez à 8 heures du matin? Veuillez conserver des notes quotidiennes tout au long de ce processus. Il montrera quels symptômes "voyagent" avec l'escilatopram.

 

Si la gastrite a précédé votre traitement psychiatrique, vous devez trouver un moyen de la réduire. Ce n'est pas dû aux drogues. Avez-vous essayé un régime d'exclusion ou des régimes d'exclusion pour les réactions aux aliments (intolérance alimentaire) ?

 

Est ce que tu bois beaucoup de café? De l'alcool?

Hello Altostra,  

 

1) Yes, I do.  

 

2) Yes too. The evenings seem to me to have always been better, but for several days, they seem much better.  

 

3) Yes, I can.  

 

4) I haven't had gastritis for a long time. Gastritis was more common because I was taking medication: antibiotics, anti-inflammatories .... I also have an irritable bowel. I have been on the Fod map diet for several years, be careful what I eat (nothing that could burn. The medicine for gastritis is PPI: bad medicine, as you know. I never want to take it, ever. It's a bit difficult since my husband no longer wants to shop for food and the last few days I was unable to do so. I hope tomorrow I can. Thanks for your links, I'll read it.  

 

5) I haven't been drinking coffee for 2 months. Before, I only drank a small cup a day. Alcohol: I only drink ethanol in liquid escitalopram and liquid prazepam also contains a little alcohol ...

 

My psychiatrist does not want to understand that escitalopram can burn my stomach. She prescribed me to stop it in 1 month.  

 

I should find another doctor but it is very complicated. All the psychiatrists are full. My general practitioner: I'm sure she won't want it. I tried to change my GP but no one is accepting new patients about 15 km away. Maybe with escitalopram tablets it will burn less? Or I wondered if I could put my escitalopram liquid in an empty capsule, but I fear that it is a bad idea.

 

  Thank you Altostrata.  

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

 Hello

 

20 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep midnight to 5.30 am. Not very anxious. Stomach and bowel are burning but not a lot. 

7 am : get up, less back, neck, spine aches, but arms burning, tension in head. Anxiety at 4. 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning.

9.30 am : fall asleep and nervous in the same time... Strange. Rest in bed : hypnosis, drowsiness. 

11.30 am : get up, feel me bad, cry a little. 

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg,

1pm : eat, nausea, stomach is burning 

2.pm : hypnosis, feel me better. 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach always burning. 

Hypnosis :good.

I rest in bed all afternoon. A lot of aches and burning : back, neck, spine, arms, legs, stomach... 

7.30.pm : dîner Less stomach aches. Cry : problem with compagnon. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion bearable :  3-4, less aches to back, neck and head but legs and arms burning, stomach not burning a lot.

10. pm : Feel me  hyper vigilant, as if I drunk a lot of coffee. (But didn't drunk) 

11.30 pm : L-tryptophane 140 mg

Sleep : 1 am to 4.30 am and drowsiness with several wakes until 7 am. Stomach burning a lot, arms too.

 

. Restlessness, internal Akathisy several times. 

. A lot of intrusive idea, bruxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Return of problems of equiliibrium.spasme in muscle, bowel, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. 

. Stomach and bowel burning = histamine? 

. I made a lot of self care : hypnosis, breathing exercises. 

 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Hello  @Altostrata

 

For escitalopram I think I should take it : 

11.30 am

10. 30 am

9.30 am

8. 30 am

8 am

 

Because I take prazepam at 9.am. It will be better maybe? 

 

Thank you

 

Vega. 

[Shep]

17 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Gastritis was more common because I was taking medication: antibiotics, anti-inflammatories .... I also have an irritable bowel.

 

I noticed this and wanted to give you some information on a type of antibiotic that should be avoided if possible, especially for people dealing with benzos. 

 

The antibiotics that people in benzo withdrawal should avoid if possible are the fluoroquinolone antibiotics, as they affect the same receptors cites as benzos. Many people have severe setbacks because the fluoroquinolone antibiotics remove the benzo from the GABA receptor, sending you into acute withdrawal. It's called being floxed. 

 

Hidden dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics in the benzodiazepine-dependent population 

 

Here's a list of the fluoroquinolone antibiotics which should be avoided if possible during withdrawal and well after: 

 

Fluoroquinolone antibiotics

 

You may already know this from the French forum, but I wanted to mention it because it's so important. 

[Vegalia]

20 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

I noticed this and wanted to give you some information on a type of antibiotic that should be avoided if possible, especially for people dealing with benzos. 

 

The antibiotics that people in benzo withdrawal should avoid if possible are the fluoroquinolone antibiotics, as they affect the same receptors cites as benzos. Many people have severe setbacks because the fluoroquinolone antibiotics remove the benzo from the GABA receptor, sending you into acute withdrawal. It's called being floxed. 

 

Hidden dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics in the benzodiazepine-dependent population 

 

Here's a list of the fluoroquinolone antibiotics which should be avoided if possible during withdrawal and well after: 

 

Fluoroquinolone antibiotics

 

You may already know this from the French forum, but I wanted to mention it because it's so important. 

Hello Shep, 

 

Thank you very much. 

 

I know. But I'm very grateful that you say me this. It is very important. 

 

I didn't took any antibiotic since I take benzo. 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

 

[Altostrata]

23 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Maybe with escitalopram tablets it will burn less? Or I wondered if I could put my escitalopram liquid in an empty capsule, but I fear that it is a bad idea.

 

How would you take your 1.5mg escilatopram in tablet form?

 

Yes, you can put your liquid in a capsule. You'll have to take it quickly with a drink of water to wash it down.

 

It appears the burning stomach symptom occurs at times unrelated to the escilatopram dose. It is nausea that you've been reporting after taking escilatopram. It's possible taking escilatopram in a slightly different form will diminish this reaction.

[Vegalia]

23 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

How would you take your 1.5mg escilatopram in tablet form?

 

Yes, you can put your liquid in a capsule. You'll have to take it quickly with a drink of water to wash it down.

 

It appears the burning stomach symptom occurs at times unrelated to the escilatopram dose. It is nausea that you've been reporting after taking escilatopram. It's possible taking escilatopram in a slightly different form will diminish this reaction.

Hello Altostrata, 

 

I could test the titration, if it does not burn too much (I know how to do a priori), or the precision balance but I think that the titration is more precise than the weighing, especially since the escitalopram is very concentrated. 

I will already try the liquid in the capsule then.

 

I will make my diary tomorrow, but I can say that today was à little better with neuro-emotions.

 

Thank you very much. 

 

Vega. 

[Lina1001]

Hi Vega !

 

christmas is coming  and  when suffering with withdrawal  it's not so magic, isn't it ?

i'read your post, do you want me to call you today ?

 

Hand in hand, step by step... 

 

Lina

[Erell]

13 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I will make my diary tomorrow, but I can say that today was à little better with neuro-emotions.

So glad To read this 😙😙😙

[Vegalia]

Hello 

 

Thank you so much @Lina1001 and @Erell❤

 

Lina I'm very grateful, but to call me when my companion is at home is not possible. 

He has holidays for two weeks. 

 

I'm thinking on you both very hard, hand in hand.

 

 

21 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep : 1 am to 4.30 am and drowsiness with several wakes until 7 am. Stomach burning a lot, arms and legs too. Pic of anxiety but very slightly. 

8 am : get up, tension in head, headache Anxiety at 4, depression 5, restlessness 6

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach burning.

11. am : a little hypnosis : good care. 

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg,

1pm : eat, nausea, stomach is burning 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, nausea, stomach always burning. back, neck very contracted, head ache, fog in brain. 

Go to shop some food, very hard with symptoms. A little DR/DP... Cry a little in my car. 

5.pm, rest in bed. Hypnosis and other self care. 

7.30.pm : dîner Less stomach aches. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion : 0 🥳 no aches to back, neck and head but legs and arms burning, lips and tongue pulsations, stomach not burning. For me it is like a window!!! 

10. pm : Feel me a little hyper vigilant, but not a problem, feel me always good. 

11.30 pm : L-tryptophane 140 mg

sleep 0.30 am to 6.30 am! Not very anxious but a lot of aches and burnings this morning. 

 

 

. Restlessness with little pics but no internal Akathisy. Neuro-emotions bearable. 

. Not lot of intrusive idea, bruxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Return of problems of equiliibrium.spasme in muscle, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs like cotton sometimes. 

. Difficult to isolate me to make a lot of self care on morning...Companion in holidays. 

 

I've just try to take escitalopram liquid in caps at 11.30 am : I hope no problem... 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

[rola]

19 hours ago, Vegalia said:

 

Je ferai mon journal demain, mais je peux dire qu'aujourd'hui était un peu mieux avec les neuro-émotions.

 

Merci beaucoup. 

 

Vega. 

cool vega ,je suis contente pour toi 

je t 'embrasse 

 😘 

[Vegalia]

Coucou @rola, 

 

Un grand merci à toi. 

 

Courage. 

 

Bisous. 

 

Vega

[Vegalia]

 22 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

 

sleep 0.30 am to 6.30 am! Not very anxious but a lot of aches and burnings in back, spine, arms, legs. 

8 am : get up, tension in head,

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot. 

11.30 am : escitalopram 1,5 mg, fog in brain. 

1pm : eat, nausea, stomach is burning 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

4 pm : hypnosis, I feel asleep. When I wake (noise in home) panic, stomach and bowel burning a lot, ball in stomach, anxiety : 7-8.

6.am   anxiety 4.

7.30.pm : dîner Less stomach aches. 

8. 30 pm : self care cardiac coherence. Cry. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : anxiety 5  aches and burning to back, neck, head, legs and arms, lips and tongue pulsations

11.30 pm : L-tryptophane 140 mg go to bed, with stomach and bowel burning  as I have acid in stomach and bowel. 

Sleep : 0.30 am to 7 am but with several wakes : 1.30 am, 4 am, 6 am... 

The reason : my companion go in bed at 1.30 am and start TV. 4 am : TV always working, I make TV off. 6 am : alarm... 

Resltessness, a lot of tension in head, back, neck, legs, arms, stomach are burning a lot :8/10.

 

 

. Neuro-emotions very unstable all day, a lot of restlessness with little pics but no internal Akathisy. Want to cry often. Anxiety. 

. A lot of buxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Problems of equiliibrium.spasme in muscle, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs like cotton sometimes. 

. Burnings of body are worse and worse... Horrible. 

. Difficult to isolate me to make a lot of self care ... A lot of noises every day (and night) at home.. 

. I will make more exclusive diet... No gluten, no eggs... 

. I must find a solution with noise at home during two next week's ! But very difficult with my companion. I'm in the living room : the aquarium make a lot of noise... I'm wearing earplugs, but how to do hypnosis with it or aquarium noise? 

 

About burnings in arms and legs : I had a lot after I replaced Venlafaxine to sertraline. But, time after time they reduced even if I tapered sertraline. After I stopped taper sertraline 3 month, I tapered prazepam and they reduced again. 

About neuro emotions : I never felt like that before 3 month. 

 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

 

[Vegalia]

23 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep : 0.30 am to 7 am but with several wakes : 1.30 am, 4 am, 6 am... 

Resltessness, a lot of tension in head, back, neck, legs, arms, stomach are burning a lot :8/10.

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot. 

10.am hypnosis : good. 

11. am : escitalopram 1,5 mg, fog in brain. 

1pm : eat, nausea, stomach is burning 

1.30 pm to 3 pm : rest in bed, hypnosis : when I make hypnosis I feel only very little symptoms. 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg : anxiety 7, a lot of aches. 

4.30 pm : Kinesitherapy : it help not really me. 

5.15 pm : back at home, anxiety 4

7.30.pm : dîner Less stomach aches. 

8. 30 pm : self care cardiac coherence. Cry a little. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : anxiety 5  aches and burning to back, neck, head, legs and arms : very contracted,lips and tongue pulsations, a lot of tension in head. 

10. pm : bath with Epson salt : a litlle better with aches. Stomach and bowel burning. 

11.30 pm : L-tryptophan140 mg go to bed, with stomach and bowel burning  as I have acid in stomach and bowel. 

Sleep midnight to 6 am. Wake not very anxious. A lot of spasms in muscles. Less burning in body. A lot of tension in head, nausea, bruxism,

Restlessness at 8, limit of crisis : internal Akathisy = horrible sensation. Try to contain myself. 

 

 

. Neuro-emotions very unstable all day, a lot of restlessness with little pics but no internal Akathisy. Want to cry often. Anxiety. Depression 4-5.

. A lot of buxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Problems of equiliibrium.spasme in muscle, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs like cotton sometimes. 

. Burnings of body are worse and worse... Horrible. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Hello 🎄

 

24 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep midnight to 6 am. Wake not very anxious. A lot of spasms in muscles. Burning in body. A lot of tension in head, nausea, bruxism,

7.30 am  get up 

8.30 am : restlessness at 8-9 limit of crisis : internal Akathisy = horrible sensation. Try to contain myself. 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot. 

10.am : hypnosis. 

11. am : escitalopram 1,5 mg, fog in brain. 

Hypnosis : fell better. 

12.30 pm : return of all aches, very hard. Stomach and bowel burning a lot. 

1pm : eat

1.30 pm to 3 pm : rest in bed, hypnosis 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg :  a lot of aches and stomach burning. But better with neuro emotions. 

6.pm :go to my aunt for Christmas. I don't know how I did it. ( of course I didn't drive) 

Evening was good with neuro-emotions but terrible with aches. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. A little less aches. 

11. 30 pm : back at home.
midnight : L-tryptophan140 mg go to bed,

Sleep 1 am to 7.30 am. Not anxious. Not a lot nausea or digestive problem but very hard burning in back, neck, shoulders, arms. Very hard tension in head, headache, sensation of tremor in head. 

 

. Neuro-emotions very unstable until 3-4 pm. 

Restlessness with little pics of internal Akathisy. Want to cry often.

. A lot of buxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Problems of equiliibrium. Less spasme in muscle, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs like cotton sometimes. 

. Burnings of body are worse and worse... Horrible. Can't bear it anymore. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good Morning 

 

 

25 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep 1 am to 7.30 am. Not anxious. Not a lot nausea or digestive problem but very hard burning in back, neck, shoulders, arms. Very hard tension in head, headache, sensation of tremor in head bruxism. 

8.am  get up 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot. 

10.am : escitalopram 1,5 mg, aches reduce a little, stomach is burning more

1pm : eat, a little fog in brain

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg

4.30 pm : aches increase

5.pm : force me to go walking with a lot of physical symptoms. Take photos. 

5.30 am go back at home : physical symptoms reduce a little. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot.
11. 30 pm : L-tryptophan140 mg

midnight : go to bed,

Sleep 1.am to 7.30 am. Wake very anxious. Drowsiness until alarm at 8.30 am. Feel me bad. 

 

 

. Yesterday all neuro-emotions bearable : 3-4 all day 😊 no intrusive ideas. 

. A lot of buxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Problems of equiliibrium. Less spasme in muscle, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs like cotton sometimes.  Burning in body : back, neck, arms, legs but the intensity was not always hard : fluctuated. 

Yesterday was hard but more bearable. I suffered but felt me not in hell. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Vegalia]

Good morning, 

 

 

26 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep 1.am to 7.30 am. Wake very anxious. Drowsiness until alarm at 8.30 am. Feel me bad. 

A lot of nausea, very hard burning in back, neck, shoulders, arms. Very hard tension in head, headache, sensation of tremor in head bruxism  . 

8.30.am  get up, intrusive ideas. 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot. 

10.am : escitalopram 1,5 mg, stomach burning. 

1pm : eat, stomach less burning. 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning increase. 

4.pm : rest in bed, nap of 1 hour. Very bad wake with anxiety 7/10 until 8 pm. Nausea, stomach burning. 

8.pm : eat. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced. 
11. 30 pm : L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed. 

Sleep 0.30 am to 6.30 am with 2 long wakes. Stomach burning, body burning, tension in head horrible. 

 

 

 

. Yesterday  neuro-emotions : 4-5. 2 pics of hard anxiety at 7-8/10 : 7.30 am-9am and 5 pm to 8 pm. 

. A lot of buxism, tension in head and a lot of unpleasant sensations.Problems of equiliibrium, tingling and pulsations in lips, tongue. Legs muscles weakness.  Burning in body : back, neck, arms, legs. 

intensity : 8-9 almost all day. SOS. 😱😭 I would need morphine... 

Yesterday : return in hell. On of the worst day in my life.  

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

[Erell]

On 12/22/2019 at 12:08 PM, Vegalia said:

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg neuro-emotion : 0 🥳 no aches to back, neck and head but legs and arms burning, lips and tongue pulsations, stomach not burning. For me it is like a window!!! 

 

Remember my dear Vega : once it has happened, it will happen again ❤️

 

As-tu commencé à mettre l'Escitalopram dans des capsules? 

(Have you started to put Escitalopram in capsules?)

[Vegalia]

Hi @Erell

 

Thank you for your message and your support. 

 

I tryed escitalopram in capsule, nothing changed. 

 

It will happen again yes, but physically is over than I can bear. 

If I take the baseline since 3 months aches are worse and worse in intensity and more and more numerous in localisation. 

 

Have a good day, my friend. 

 

Vega. 

[Vegalia]

It is  11.30 am. 

I took prazepam at 9.am and escitalopram at 9.30 am. 

Stomach burning 9/10

All back, neck, schoulders burning and muscles contracted 9/10. I feel like two lines of aches trajectory parallel to spine from low back, to each shoulder, to neck, to heads and it burns me, deep pains as if my tendons my muscles were hard like stone and completely on fire, as if my muscles were twisted . I feel like my skin was in fire too. 

Tension and tremor in head : 8/10

Arms burning 7/10

Lips, jaw tremors. 

Bruxism

I'm very cold. 

I have muscles weakness in legs. 

 

It is haw I can describe my aches. How is it possible to bear it? 

If I go to doctor or hospital I think they will give me laroxyl or opioid. And for stomach   PPI, gastric dressing that I shouldn't take...But what can I do? @Altostrata @Shep? 

I am NSAIDs intolerant... 

 

Vega. 

[rola]

salut vega 

courage vega ,je pense à toi 😘❤️

[Shep]

1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

It is haw I can describe my aches. How is it possible to bear it? 

If I go to doctor or hospital I think they will give me laroxyl or opioid. And for stomach   PPI, gastric dressing that I shouldn't take...But what can I do?

 

Are you able to do any type of stretching or restorative yoga? That can help with muscle aches. 

 

Epsom salt baths are also good for pain. 

[Vegalia]

3 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Are you able to do any type of stretching or restorative yoga? That can help with muscle aches. 

 

Epsom salt baths are also good for pain. 

 Hello, 

 

I wanted to find some exercises of yoga but I don't know what is good for me. 

 

I make sometimes Epsom bath but no often : eczema and I'm careful because I had longtime ago bad reaction with magnesium oral. 

 

Vega 

[sunnysideup69]

Hi @Vegalia, if you Google 'legs up the wall yoga', you will find some nice short restorative yoga routines. Gridley posted me a link to one, there are lots and they are really soothing.

Best wishes, 

SSU x