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Sassenach

Hi Vega

 

@Erell used this

6 hours ago, sunnysideup69 said:

'legs up the wall yoga

too.

 

Don't know if she still does.

 

Sass

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37 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Don't know if she still does.

 

Actually I didn't really use it : did it a few times and everytime it gave me the feeling that it increased my anxiety, don't know if I was just adding fear To fear.

 

But, everybody is different, and I've read people who find it really helpful, so has To be tried ! 🙃

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Vegalia

Hi @sunnysideup69  , @Sassenach, @Gridley and @Erell

 

Thank you all very much. 

 

I will try this yoga. If I have understood it will be good for anxiety and tension. 

 

I tryed today yoga for back, neck, shoulders and head. I don't really know if it works, but I think it can work day after day. 

Tomorrow I think to take Epsom bath. I read that magnesium with Epsom Can be absorbed just with feets bath? Maybe I should try it too, because of my eczema? 

 

I'm lucky with neuro-emotions : bearable today but aches, contractions and burnings unbearable. A little better after my last dose of prazepam at 9 pm. 

 

Thank you very much. I go to bed hope to have not bad sleep, ;)

 

Vega. 

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10 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

I read that magnesium with Epsom Can be absorbed just with feets bath? Maybe I should try it too, because of my eczema? 

Yes, it works also just with bathing the feet.

 

 

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Vegalia

Good morning, 

 

 

27 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep 0.30 am to 6.30 am with 2 long wakes. Stomach burning 6/10. body burning, tension in head horrible. 9/10

7.30.am  get up

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot.

9.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg stomach burns a lot. 9/10

12.30 pm : eat, stomach less burning. 5/10.

1. pm : hypnosis : feel better. 

2. pm : return of all aches. 8-9/10

2.30 : go to kinesitherapy, very hard to drive 5 mn. I did an error with kinesitherapy schedule = no kinesitherapy. Next kinesitherapy on 6 January, because of Holidays of the therapist... 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning 7/10

4.pm : . 20 mn yoga + 10 mn cardiac coherence + 50 mn hypnosis : feel better. 

6.pm : a little bit less tension in head: 5/10 but other aches come back horrible 8-9/10.

7.30pm : eat. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced but always hard : 6-7/10.
11.pm : L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed. 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.am. Drowsiness with several wakes until 7.30 am. Back, neck aches and burnings 8/10. Tension and tremors in head 8/10. Arms burning : 7/10. Despair, sadness. 

 

. Yesterday  : anxiety, depression, restlessness : 3-5. A lot of sadness with my aches. It is burning so hard!!! 

cold and chills almost all day. 

 

--> What I am doing for aches and will try to do :

- hypnosis : it work always but just 30 mn 1 hour. 

- try to not to rest too much in bed, but not easy. 

- yoga since yesterday

- arnica oil + little drops lavender essential oil. It worked a little but it doesn't work so much if aches are 8-9/10. And problem with my eczema.. . 

- Tiger balm for tension and aches in head since 2 days 1 or 2 times a day : it sseems work a little some hours, cold in head work a little but no long time. 

- I should walk a little but not easy. 

- will try Epsom bath again. 

I should be less on my couch: bad for the back. It's an old sofa that isn't comfortable. I can try a chair but I only have garden chairs. With the living room table I have benches ...

-  I have bruxism and the muscles around my mouth are often very contracted: each time I realize it, I try to tighten my jaw less and relax my muscles.

- For stomach burning : I eat something before I take drugs. And try to not rest in bed to much but not easy. I should smoke less, but not easy... 

 

@Gridley

Thank you very much. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

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9 hours ago, Gridley said:

Yes, it works also just with bathing the feet.

 

 

 Hello, 

 

Thank you very much. 

 

What I'm doing

9 hours ago, Gridley said:

Yes, it works also just with bathing the feet.

 

 

  Sorry error with my phone.. 

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Vegalia

Hello, 

 

I found information about Epsom salt. It might detoxify even with baths, I don't know what to think of this and if the informations I found are true.

A French site say ;

 

"The basic recipe: Fill your bathtub with hot water by adding about 500 ml of Epsom salts or magnesium sulfate. The more Epsom salts you put in, the more intense the detoxifying effect. So I advise you to start with only 250 ml if you have never done it. Once the salts are dissolved, stay in the water for about 20 minutes to start. When you get out of the bath, wrap yourself in a large robe or towel and rest for 30 minutes before showering. Don't do this detox bath every day! Once a week is in my opinion a good frequency."

 

In the french forum it is saying detoxification ( liver) is very very bad with drugs, especially with benzo. 

 

I don't know what to think with Epsom baths.. . 

 

Vega. 

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Altostrata

Yes, you can take Epsom salts baths to absorb magnesium.
 

10 hours ago, Vegalia said:

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel not burning a lot.

9.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg stomach burns a lot. 9/10

12.30 pm : eat, stomach less burning. 5/10.

 

As usual, it appears escilatopram makes your stomach burn. It's possible you are allergic to it and it causes other symptoms, such as aches, too. You feel better in the afternoon, as the escilatopram dose is being metabolized.

 

I would continue to move the escilatopram dose earlier so you're taking it before your first prazepam dose.

 

As we've discussed this before, I leave it to you to decide what to do.

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26 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, you can take Epsom salts baths to absorb magnesium.
 

 

As usual, it appears escilatopram makes your stomach burn. It's possible you are allergic to it and it causes other symptoms, such as aches, too. You feel better in the afternoon, as the escilatopram dose is being metabolized.

 

I would continue to move the escilatopram dose earlier so you're taking it before your first prazepam dose.

 

As we've discussed this before, I leave it to you to decide what to do.

 

Hello  Altostrata, this morning I took escitalopram at 8.30 am. 

 

Thank you and have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

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Good morning, 

 

28 december/  L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

Sleep 11.30 pm to 4.am. Drowsiness with several wakes until 7.30 am. Back, neck aches and burnings 8/10. Tension and tremors in head 8/10. Arms burning : 7/10. Despair, sadness.

8.am : get up 

8.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel  always burning 

10. am : restlessness 7/10

11. am : bath with Epsom saltsalt : restlessness 4, aches and burning of body : 5/10, tension in head : 10  nausea, skin of back down and arms itching= eczema : I can see it on my skin. 

1. pm : eat, stomach less burning. 5/10., return of back, neck, shoulders aches, contraction and burning : 7/10

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning a little. 

Go to walk 30 mn even if I have got a lot of aches : back, neck, shoulders aches : 6/10. Head aches and tension 8/10.

4.30. pm : aches at 7/10. 10 mn yoga. 50 mn of Hypnosis : feel a little better but cry in end of hypnosis. 

6.pm : a little bit less tension in head: 5/10 but other aches come back 7/10.

7.30.pm : eat. 

8.30. pm : rest in bed : cardiac coherence. 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced : 6/10. But arms burning at 8/10.

11.pm : tension and sensation of tremor in head : 6/10.
11.30. pm : L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed. 

Sleep midnight to 2.am (TV always working): back aches and burning 7/10. Sleep again at  2.30- 3 am I think. Another short wake later. Wake definitely at 7.am : legs burning at 8/10. Nausea, stomach burn a little, back, neck, shoulders aches 7/10, arms burning at 7/10. Head ache and tension at 7/10.

 

 

. Yesterday  : anxiety, depression, restlessness : 3-5.Pic of restlessness at 7/10 10 am to noon.. A lot of sadness with my aches. It is burning so hard!!! 

cold and chills almost all day. 

Always a little weakness with muscles of legs. 

Sensibility with light and noises increase again since several days. 

Always tremor in lips and jaw, bruxism. 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, you can take Epsom salts baths to absorb magnesium.
 

 

As usual, it appears escilatopram makes your stomach burn. It's possible you are allergic to it and it causes other symptoms, such as aches, too. You feel better in the afternoon, as the escilatopram dose is being metabolized.

 

I would continue to move the escilatopram dose earlier so you're taking it before your first prazepam dose.

 

As we've discussed this before, I leave it to you to decide what to do.

 

I can say that I often feel me a little better : with self care : walking, Epsom bath, hypnosis : I have drowsiness with hypnosis, but aches come back after self care, very fast after hypnosis. 

 

I feel me a little better on evening. 

 

-->Aches = allergie to escitalopram or W/ D? 

I had hard arms aches, contractions and burning when I started sertraline last November but two months before I made important changes with venlafaxine. I never knew if it was an effect of sertraline or W/D venlafaxine even if I never stopped antidepressant, only changed. But to change is very bad.. 

This aches reduced step by step. In July they were : 1-3/10, well bearable. Very good nights, almost no digestive problem from December 2018 until August 2019. Almost no problem with neuro-emotions from December to June : only restlessness which reduced step by step. 

I have got a lot of same symptoms like flu, which could be W/ D. 

 

--> Can I have prazepam tolerance too? I never hold the same dose of prazepam more than 3 weeks before. 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

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Vegalia

Hello.. . 

 

1.45 pm..

 

Aches 9/10. 😭

 

I know You can't do anything, but I wonder me the less bad option with drugs for aches, if I must go to hospital, even if I know it doesn't exist a good solution. 

 

I try to accept, fight to bear it : too hard.

 

Thank you🙏

 

Vega. 

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Altostrata

Vegalia, please stay with the same drug schedule for some time. We still don't have a baseline symptom pattern for you, you've made so many drug changes. Please continue to post daily notes.

 

12 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I can say that I often feel me a little better : with self care : walking, Epsom bath, hypnosis : I have drowsiness with hypnosis, but aches come back after self care, very fast after hypnosis. 

 

I feel me a little better on evening. 

 

What we expect to see is very gradual improvement. It appears you are going in a good direction.

 

I am sorry about the aches, you will need to figure out ways to relieve them. Perhaps stretching, yoga, massage, acupuncture?

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, please stay with the same drug schedule for some time. We still don't have a baseline symptom pattern for you, you've made so many drug changes. Please continue to post daily notes.

 

 

What we expect to see is very gradual improvement. It appears you are going in a good direction.

 

I am sorry about the aches, you will need to figure out ways to relieve them. Perhaps stretching, yoga, massage, acupuncture?

Hello, 

I try a little yoga. 

I make massage with a therapist. 

I'd like to try acupuncture but it is too far : 20 km and expensive. 

 

I hope an improvement too. I hope the good direction even if aches are worse and worse. 

But I can say that if I hadn't aches emotional symptoms are bereable since several days, 

I've got improvements but on the other hand increasing of aches what makes my situation worse. 

I eat some food not very good for me at Christmas but there was nothing good for me to eat. Maybe PMS too. 

 

I don't know how some people can bear so hard aches. 

 

I didn't change drugs since 8 September. Only complement and schedule as it was asked me here. 

Maybe the move of escitalopram schedule can have any effect : more concentration for several days as I moved from 8.30 am to noon, and overall recently noon to 8.30 am again.. . 

 

Increase prazepam should not help me a little? Maybe less dangerous than another DA or Lyrica or opioid, or morphine that I don't want to take, or than 25 mg of lamictal that my psychiatrist want prescribe me to replace escitalopram... 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

 

Édit :   oops I forgot I increased escitalopram at 1,75 mg but only 2 days.. 

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Vegalia, please stay with the same drug schedule for some time. We still don't have a baseline symptom pattern for you, you've made so many drug changes. Please continue to post daily notes.

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Good morning, 

 

 

 

29 december/ L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 

 

Sleep midnight to 2.am (TV always working): back aches and burning 7/10. Sleep again at 2.30- 3 am I think. Another short wake later. Wake definitely at 7.am : legs burning at 8/10. Nausea, stomach burn a little, back, neck, shoulders , jaw, aches 7/10, arms burning at 7/10. Head ache and tension at 7/10.

 

8.am : get up 

 

8.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg  aches at 5/10

 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel always burning 

 

10. am : aches at 9/10

 

11. am : hypnosis not working a lot. 


1. pm : eat, stomach less burning.

 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning more. 

 

4.30. pm : 50 mmn of Hypnosis in bed: aches at 7/10 but return at 9/10 after hypnosis. Tension and tremor in head at 7/10.

 

6.30 pm : a little bit less tension in head: 5/10.

 

8 .pm : eat. 

 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced : 6/10. But arms burning at 8/10.

 

10 pm : tension and sensation of tremor in head : 6/10.

 

10.30. pm : L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed : read a little. Aches and burning of back etc.. . at 8/10.


Sleep midnight to 3 am : wake with back aches at 7-8/10. Sleep again from -/+ 3.30 am to 6.am.

Legs burning at 8/10., arms burning at 8/10, Nausea, stomach burn 7/10, , back, neck, shoulders , jaw, aches 8-9/10, . Head ache, tension and tremor at 8/10.

 

. Yesterday : anxiety, depression, restlessness : 3-5.with several pic of restlessness at 7/10.. A lot of sadness with my aches. It is burning so hard!!!  Despair because of my aches. 

 

Cold and chills almost all day. 

Always a little weakness with muscles of legs. 

Sensibility with light and noises 

Always tremor in lips and jaw, bruxism. 

An another day in hell, as if hell was worse and worse. I'd I to walk but too much aches. I tryed to change of channel, make self care as every day. 

I will prefer to die in peace  :  it isn't possible for me suffering so much physically. 

 

8 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, please stay with the same drug schedule for some time. We still don't have a baseline symptom pattern for you, you've made so many drug changes. Please continue to post daily notes.

 Yes Altostrata, but since I am in this forum each change I made : with taper complements and change of schedule of escitalopram 2 times (8.30 am to noon and noon back to 8.30 am again) was that personal of forum asked me to do. Except the 2 days with escitalopram at 1,75 mg long time ago 14 and 15 November. 

 

Thank you very much. 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

 

 

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Vegalia, how did you switch from Xanax to clotiazépam? What happened after that, what made you switch to prazepam?

 

When did the stomach burning symptoms and skin burning symptoms start?

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, how did you switch from Xanax to clotiazépam? What happened after that, what made you switch to prazepam?

 

When did the stomach burning symptoms and skin burning symptoms start?

 

Hello Altostrata 

 

I switched directly 0,25 mg x 2 of xanax by 5 mg x2 clotiazepam. 8 days before switch I tryed to taper xanax and took one day just 0,25 mg xanax : return of terrible anxiety during until I took Clotiazepam, even if I missed only one dose of xanax. 

If I have good references of equivalences : benzo dose x 2 (I didn't know that). 

I felt me immediately better and anxiety disappeared. 

 

After 15 days 5 mg x 2 Clotiazepam and the start of venlafaxine my psychiatrist Sayed ; "no more anxiety, very good : venlafaxine work  ! . Now you can stop Clotiazepam. "

I took 2 days 2,5 mg on morning and 5 mg on evening. Third day : terrible anxiety again : return to 5 mg x2. Felt better but very fast I fellt bad between 2 doses (short half life of 4 hours of Clotiazepam) 

 

With prazepam I felt a lot of drowsiness, lost memory, forgot words.. . But it helped me to calm agitation and sensation of agressivity I had 2-3 weeks after start venlafaxine. (Problem with my 3 DA) 

At +/- 15 mg prazepam I recovered a lot of memory and had no more a lot drowsiness. 

 

- digestive problems

End August- September : diarrhea non stop on month. 

October :nausea

November : ball in stomach

end November stomach and bowel burning. 

 

Body burning, contraction, unpleasant sensations from September and worse and worse. they are rather deep burns than skin burns

 

I hope I answered your questions and that my english is not too bad. 

 

Thank you Altostrata. 

 

Vega

 

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"I had hard arms aches, contractions and burning when I started sertraline last November but two months before I made important changes with venlafaxine. I never knew if it was an effect of sertraline or W/D venlafaxine even if I never stopped antidepressant, only changed. But to change is very bad.. 

 

This aches reduced step by step. In July they were : 1-3/10, well bearable. Very good nights, almost no digestive problem from December 2018 until August 2019. Almost no problem with neuro-emotions from December to June : only restlessness which reduced step by step. 

 

I have got a lot of same symptoms like flu, which could be W/ D. "

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Good morning, 

 

30 december/ L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 

 


Sleep midnight to 3 am : wake with back aches at 7-8/10. Sleep again from -/+ 3.30 am to 6.am.

Legs burning at 8/10., arms burning at 8/10, Nausea, stomach burn 7/10,  back, neck, shoulders , jaw, aches 8-9/10, . Head ache, tension and tremor at 8/10.

 

8.am : get up, muscles à little bit less contracted

 

8.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg  aches at 5/10

 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel always burning 

 

10. am : aches at 9/10

 

11. am : hypnosis not working a lot. 


1.30 pm : eat, stomach less burning.

 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning more. 

Force me to walk, but I walked only 15 mn. Aches, legs muscles weakness. Muscles a little bit less contracted. Aches, contractions and burning at 7/10.

 

4.30. pm : 50 mmn of Hypnosis in bed: aches at 7/10 but return at 9/10 after hypnosis. 

 

6.30 pm :  tension in head: 6/10.

 

7.pm : eat. 

 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced : 7/10. But arms burning at 8/10.

 

10 pm : tension and sensation of tremor in head : 6/10.

 

11. pm : L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed : feel me hyper vigilant. Respiration exercise. 

 

Sleep midnight to 5 am. Wake with legs burning, arms burning, back, neck, shoulders, jaw very contracted, burnings. Stomach is burning a little. I think I didn't sleep a lot after. Restlessness at 6-7/10.

 

. Yesterday : anxiety, depression, restlessness : 3-5.with several pic of restlessness at 7/10.. A lot of sadness with my aches. It is burning so hard!!!  Despair because of my aches. 

 

Cold and chills almost all day. 

Always a weakness with muscles of legs. 

Sensibility with light and noises 

Less tremor in lips and jaw, bruxism. 

Diarrhea... 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

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14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, how did you switch from Xanax to clotiazépam? What happened after that, what made you switch to prazepam?

 

When did the stomach burning symptoms and skin burning symptoms start?

Hello Altostrata, 

 

I think I not understood well this question yesterday. I am sorry : my english.. . 

 

"

What happened after that, what made you switch to prazepam?"

 

I felt me bad with drugs and I was unable to stop benzo. I wanted to know how stop benzo. I felt me bad with venlafaxine too. 

I made research on web with these drugs. I found the French forum the 16 September 2018. I have tried 3 times to stop benzo. I asked me questions about my antidepressant too. 

I felt anxiety between 2 doses of Clotiazepam (half life 4 hours).  On French forum it was advised me to take prazepam : long half life : I think it was a good advice.

Plan of substitution has been given to me : veratran = Clotiazepam, 1 mg of prazepam=2 drops. (


 

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Substitution plan over 4 doses and 4 weeks of 10mg of veratran / lysanxia drops or cachets 10mg veratran

 

Current sockets: 10mg: 4 = 2.50 mg per dose 9 a.m .: 2.50 mg 1 p.m .: 2.50 mg 5 p.m .: 2.50 mg 9 p.m .: 2.50 mg 10mg: 4 = 2.50 mg veratran to decrease per week 60 drops lysanxia: 4 = 15 drops to be introduced per week or 7.5 mg in tablets

Week 1 09h00 - 2.5mg veratran 1:00 p.m. - 2.5mg veratran 5:00 p.m. - 2.5mg veratran 9:00 p.m. - 0 veratran + 15 drops lysanxia

Week 2 09h00 - 0 veratran + 15 drops lysanxia 1:00 p.m. - 2.5 mg veratran 5:00 p.m. - 2.5 mg veratran 9:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia

Week 3 9:00 am - 15 drops lysanxia 1:00 p.m. - 2.5 mg veratran 5:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia 9:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia

Week 4 9:00 am - 15 drops lysanxia 1:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia 3:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia 9:00 p.m. - 15 drops lysanxia

Week 5 - 6 - 7 stabilization Week 1 15 drops of lysanxia X 7 days = 105 drops Week 2 30 drops of lysanxia X 7 days = 210 drops Week 3 45 drops of lysanxia X 7 days = 315 drops Week 4 60 drops of lysanxia X 7 days = 420 drops 3 weeks of stabilization at 60 drops per day = 1260 drops Total: 105 + 210 + 315 + 420 + 1260 = 2310 drops 1 bottle makes 600 drops. Your doctor must therefore prescribe 4 vials.

 

 

I Sayed French forum that I felt bad with venlafaxine too. It was Sayed to me : you are taking venlafaxine since just 2 weeks. Your problem is benzo : no venlafaxine. After 3-4 weeks if venlafaxine you will be better. You have to taper benzo first and after venlafaxine. 

my doctor wanted to prescribe me only 15 drops of prazepam/ day.. . (7, 5 mg) 

 

I was in confusion. I knew that I had problem with venlafaxine. I asked internationale french toast if it was not better to taper venlafaxine before benzo because I took it only 2 weeks ago. The person who told me advices Sayed me : You don't know what you want. I told you what you had to do. I can't tell you advices anymore... ( I precise it was not the admin but a moderator very toxic person who knows not a lot about antidepressant and followed obsolete advices of Professor Ashton with drug to stop first. She's not in the forum anymore. If the moderator was present at this time I think she had advice me to stop venlafaxine quickly) 

I changed of psychiatrist and followed her advices with prazepam and antidepressant.. . I didn't know what to do. 

 

4 octobre, venlafaxine back to 75 mg XR: Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5 -6,5 

a lot of drowsiness, so I reduce prazepam as doctor Sayed. But after 3 weeks, bad again. Sensation of stinging in body. Restlessness. My psychiatrist Sayed me to increase prazepam again. 

I followed advice of French forum : 25 octobre 10x3 prazepam. 

 

It is complicated. Sorry

 

Vega. 

 

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Oops sorry my telephone :

 

 

"I was in confusion. I knew that I had problem with venlafaxine. I asked internationale french toast if it was not better to taper venlafaxine before benzo because I took it only 2 weeks ago"

 

It isn't correct :

 

I asked to French forum*, not international French toast.. . :blush:

 

Vega. 

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When did the stomach burning start? It does not appear to be from escilatopram.

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

When did the stomach burning start? It does not appear to be from escilatopram.

 Hello 

 

1 month, 1 month 1/2.

 

Thank you. 

 

Vega

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Good morning, 

 

 

31 december/ L-tryptophan +/- 140 mg 


Sleep midnight to 5 am. Wake with legs burning, arms burning, back, neck, shoulders, jaw very contracted, burnings : 8-/10 Stomach is burning a little. I think I didn't sleep a lot after. Restlessness at 6-7/10.

 

8.am : get up, muscles à little bit less contracted

 

8.30 am : escitalopram 1,5mg  aches at 6/10

 

9.am : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach and bowel always burning 

 

10. am : aches at 9/10, a lot of tension in head and headache. Fog in brain


12.30 pm : eat, stomach less burning.

 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, stomach burning more. Aches, contractions of body 8/10

 

4.30. pm : 50 mmn of Hypnosis in bed: aches at 7/10 but return at 9/10 after hypnosis. 

 

6.30 pm :  tension in head: 6/10.

 

7. am : paracetamol 1 mg. 

 

8.pm : eat. 

 

9.pm: prazepam 4,75 mg : stomach burning not a lot. Aches a little reduced : 7/10. But arms burning at 8/10.

 

10 pm : tension and sensation of tremor in head : 8/10. Aches, contractions and burning of body 9/10

 

Midnight: L-tryptophan140 mg, go to bed : aches  of body ang head 8/10, feel me hyper vigilant a little tachycardia. Respiration exercise. 

 

Sleep +/-  1 am to 5.30 am. Wake full of aches and burning in all body 9/10. Restlessness 8/10, despair because of aches. 

6.30 am : nausea, stomach burning 8/10.I'm cold. . I want to die because of my physical aches. If I haden't so hard aches would not want to die,  because I think of all beautiful things I have got in life, people I love and people who loves me. I say myself : love is stronger than everything. But aches are stronger... 

 

. Yesterday : anxiety, depression, restlessness : 3-5.with several pic of restlessness at 7/10.. A lot of sadness with my aches. It is burning so hard!!!  Despair because of my aches

 

Cold and chills almost all day. 

Always a weakness with muscles of legs. 

Sensibility with light and noises 

Less tremor in lips and jaw, bruxism.

Very hard contractions of muscles of jaw. 

Diarrhea... 

 

Physical ahes is more than I can bear. I must find something to suffering less, even if I must go to hospital or take another drug. It is not what I wish, but aches are too hard. I must survive. 

 

Best wishes to everyone for this new year. 

 

Vega. 

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hi 
I wish you a happy vega year,
I think about you 
kisses 😘

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Vegalia

Hi, 

 

Best wishes to You Rola

 

I think about you too. 

 

Kisses

 

Vega

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I asked if increase prazepam could help for aches. I know it is bad but, if it could work, maybe not so bad than take another drug. 

 

Thank you

 

Vega. 

 

@Shep, @Altostrata, what do you think about it? 

 

Best wishes to you. 

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This is what I have that fits perfectly:

 

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A contracture, term used most often in the sporting environment, is an involuntary muscular contraction of a certain number of muscular fibers within the same muscle or a muscular group, of a unusually long duration, often painful and normally not associated with damage to the muscle fiber. Contracture most often occurs in the calves, thighs, buttocks, lower back, vertebral aligners and neck. It is clearly different from the cramp, which is very brief. The contracted muscle is shortened for a prolonged period, which causes pain with impotence and maintains permanent tension on its tendons, which can lead to tendinitis.

 

I have it all on my back, my neck, my shoulders, my neck and it also radiates in my head with migraines. Also the muscles of the jaw.

 

 

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On clinical examination the contracture is easily identifiable, because it is hard and painful, when touched and when palpated (hard point). You can feel real hardened areas in the form of balls or strings within the muscle. The muscle is also painful during its passive stretching or voluntary contraction.

 

Hard balls, knots, sometimes the whole hard muscle. It burns. I have spasms sometimes. The arms legs also burn but do not seem too contracted. Tremors and aches in the head, lips, jaw, tongue.

 

A year ago I only had arms, shoulders and legs (legs not often) Sometimes the jaw but not as much. During the withdrawal of sertraline it decreased slowly despite a peak at the third week of plateau. At my sertraline weaning break while I weaned prazepam it was much better. Following the fall of seroplex, it started with the back and the head, get along and is worse and worse.Now with. jaw muscles too. The intensity varies between 7 and 9/10 during the day for 10 days. These are symmetrical pains on both sides of the spine up to the head. For 3 months I can no longer wear a bra. I have no less painful position.

 

I'm cold and a lot of chills. My stomach has been burning a lot for a month after having successively had diarrhea for a month, then strong nausea.

 

So I don't know if prazepam can help me ... 

 

Vega

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5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I asked if increase prazepam could help for aches. I know it is bad but, if it could work, maybe not so bad than take another drug. 

 

Benzo changes work best within 2 - 4 weeks of the last change. Since it's been several months since your last benzo change, it's not recommended. Usually when a change is made after 2 - 4 weeks, the drug goes paradoxical. 

 

On 12/27/2019 at 7:25 AM, Vegalia said:

I wanted to find some exercises of yoga but I don't know what is good for me. 

 

 

You may want to go on YouTube and find some beginner's "restorative yoga" or "trauma-sensitive yoga." These are the gentlest types of yoga. 

 

Are you able to take a 15 - 20 minute walk every day? 

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19 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

 

Benzo changes work best within 2 - 4 weeks of the last change. Since it's been several months since your last benzo change, it's not recommended. Usually when a change is made after 2 - 4 weeks, the drug goes paradoxical. 

 

 

 

You may want to go on YouTube and find some beginner's "restorative yoga" or "trauma-sensitive yoga." These are the gentlest types of yoga. 

 

Are you able to take a 15 - 20 minute walk every day? 

 

Hello Shep. 

 

Ok for benzo but I didn't see such paradoxal reaction in French forum. If you say it, I know that is a careful advice. 

 

I tried to find and did such yoga but very difficult to make. 

 

I'm not able to walk every day because aches intensity is extremely extremely hard and my legs are weak. I try to do it , force me to do it, with my sun glasses but not always possible. It is very cold here too. 

 

Thank you Shep. 

 

Vega. 

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29 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Ok for benzo but I didn't see such paradoxal reaction in French forum. If you say it, I know that is a careful advice. 

 

I can only speak for what we've seen on the English speaking forums, but I'm interested in what you're seeing on the French forums. Are a lot of people seeing good results updosing after more than 2 - 4 weeks? Do the French forums have a set time they recommend updosing? 

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1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

I can only speak for what we've seen on the English speaking forums, but I'm interested in what you're seeing on the French forums. Are a lot of people seeing good results updosing after more than 2 - 4 weeks? Do the French forums have a set time they recommend updosing? 

 

The French forum is very different for benzo. 

 

Base: 5℅/ 8 d current dose or 3℅/ 7 d current dose. If it is really too hard it is possible to stand 2-5 days till reduce again. 

Sometimes some people upedose if it is too hard. In this case you can see that is in theory no problem because last reduction is recent. 

 

But... When people arrives in the forum, they have often reduce too fast and have a lot of symptoms before and a updose is made to stabilize them. 

 

However if a person stopped benzo after several months it is generally not adviced to take benzo again. 

 

I saw example of person who tapered benzo before antidepressant. AD  taper was too hard and they took benzo again and taper of AD was better. 

Another example : benzo took again to tape DA, and increased again because it was too hard. 

 

They are example. 

 

Before too taper, a lot of person increase benzo, not a lot to begin, is often enough, but some people have a lot increase. 

French forum advice often longs half- life. 

 

I don't say that is absolutely truthfully , but what I saw.

 

Example  of success :

1 xanax 0,50mg,1 stilnox 10mg,1 havlane 1mg,1témesta 2,5mg (2mg  titration and 0,5mg en substitution) = total 40 mg prazepam  + 2 mg témesta. 

Titration  2 mg de témesta finished 11/2017- prazepam and benzo free 05/2019

 

It seems that Erell done updose of benzo too or took again, and in the end benzo free. 

 

However it seems to be logical that to much changes are a risk for CNS, for benzo too. I saw an example of bad reaction but the person made a lot of changes and had several drugs. 

 

For me the problem is I suffer so much that doctors would take me opioid, Lyrica, morphine, another AD like laroxyl, Cymbalta, or anti epileptic like lamictal or... I don't know what again... 

Fibromyalgia was diagnosed to me and that is what doctors wanted to prescribe. 

 

The aches are really too hard and localisations very numerous in the same timetime snd worse and worse. 

My CNS has a lot of damage as if I was Cold turkey it seems...

 

It may seem very inappropriate and I really apologize but I have this horrible thought: only hard burn victims with fire can suffer more than me.

 

Vega

 

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1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

However it seems to be logical that to much changes are a risk for CNS, for benzo too. I saw an example of bad reaction but the person made a lot of changes and had several drugs. 

 

Thanks for letting us know what you've seen on the French forums. Yes, too many changes are a risk for the CNS. I think that may actually be more important than how much time has passed since a prior benzo reduction. With your history of coming off and on at least one other benzo (Xanax), you're a high risk for kindling. So updosing may be too risky. 

 

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1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

However it seems to be logical that to much changes are a risk for CNS, for benzo too. I saw an example of bad reaction but the person made a lot of changes and had several drugs. 

 

Thanks for letting us know what you've seen on the French forums. Yes, too many changes are a risk for the CNS. With your prior history of being off and on at least one other benzo (Xanax), you are at a high risk of kindling. So it may be too risky to updose the benzo. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

The aches are really too hard and localisations very numerous in the same timetime snd worse and worse. 

 

Alto has mentioned the possibility of an adverse reaction due to the antidepressant. I'm wondering if reducing the antidepressant might be more helpful than increasing the benzo. 

 

Please don't make any changes until Alto has a chance to weigh in. Attn.  @Altostrata

 

 

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2 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Thanks for letting us know what you've seen on the French forums. Yes, too many changes are a risk for the CNS. With your prior history of being off and on at least one other benzo (Xanax), you are at a high risk of kindling. So it may be too risky to updose the benzo. 

 

 

 

Alto has mentioned the possibility of an adverse reaction due to the antidepressant. I'm wondering if reducing the antidepressant might be more helpful than increasing the benzo. 

 

Please don't make any changes until Alto has a chance to weigh in. Attn.  @Altostrata

 

 

Thank you Shep, 

 

It is worse and worse very fast and very hard since 10 days. It burns more and more. 

I can't wait  long time before to go to hospital. 

 

I made nothing new since 10 days, no change anything except escitalopram schedule.

 

Let me see... I eat some no good food for me just Christmas evening : "foie gras", bread, a little chocolate and cakes. I saw after eat this cakes that they were spices cakes... and regretted to have eaten it. I didn't eat spices since more of one year. It was a Christmas present... 

I made a bath of espom. But it can't explain my problems of so hard aches I think, as if all my body was in inflammation and contractions. 

 

I made hypnosis this afternoon, feel asleep.I woke up 2 mn in panic, after 5 mn normal and after aches, contractions and burnings full. 

 

Contractions of muscles of jaw is a new symptom. I have return of visual problem since 3 days. 3-4 time a day. I think like very fast eyes moved right to left during 1 second when I am with my phone : first time no longer after start sertraline. Had totally disappeared since several months. Return after start escitalopram. Had disappeared since several weeks and come back again. 

 

I have pics of internal rage too. I need to calm me. I was a so calm person before. 😢

 

Don't know if it is very hard W/D or intolerance to drug. Or both. Or benzo W/D but very late? Benzo tolerance. I am lost. 

 

I felt me so good April, may, June... Not perfect but so much better! 

 

What is sure is I had always very bad reaction with antidepressant and a lot of drugs in general. 

 

Vega. 

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Several things could be going on: 1) venlafaxine withdrawal syndrome incompletely masked by escilatopram and prazepam; 2) failed substitution of prazepam for Xanax; 3) adverse reaction (stomach burning) to prazepam; 4) onset of stomach burning coincides with start of prazepam in October, could be from switch from clotiazépam to prazepam.; 5) l-tryptophan can cause heartburn and stomach upset.

 

Vegalia has been disinclined to try citalopram or fluoxetine instead of escilatopram, or to stop the tryptophan. Moving the escilatopram dose seems to show it is not responsible for the burning stomach symptom, but it may cause other symptoms. She does not seem to get stomach upset after taking tryptophan at night; it has a half-life of only a couple of hours so is unlikely to be causing symptoms the next day. Still, it is a confounding factor.

 

I have found Vegalia's daily notes difficult to interpret. Perhaps our French speakers can translate or explain questions to Vegalia and translate or explain her responses in English.

 

Here are my outstanding questions:

 

- Does the stomach-burning get worse after she takes escilatopram or prazepam each day?

 

2 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I felt me so good April, may, June... Not perfect but so much better! 

 

- What cocktail was Vegalia taking in April, May, June? Was she taking sertraline and Xanax? She started escilatopram July 15 and clotiazépam August 28.

 

- How did she feel while she was taking clotiazépam?

 

- Why did she switch from clotiazépam to prazepam October 4?

 

- What benefit does Vegalia get from tryptophan?

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