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16 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Which drug are you speaking about?

Hello Shep

 

Escitalopram. 

I know I tapered it brutally. That's why I went on this forum. 

Even if I know that it is possible that I have consequences of benzo W/D too. 

 

(Last prazepam taper 2 September - 0,10 mg x 3, and before since month of may, I tapered 2% current dose every 21 days : usual protocol of French forum) 

 

Thank you if you had an advice. 

I think that antidepressant W/D Is the worse I have between Antidepressant and prazepam. 

 

If you don't know, I understand. 

 

Thank you

 

Vega. 

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Shep said:

Yes Shep I remember it well. 

 

I didn't made any change since and it is really really worse, like if I was cold turkey. Physical symptoms (back, neck, jaw, head , brain bad sensations aches, contractions, burnings, sensations of electricity  tremors) and  neuro- emotions are horrible. It is difficult to hold in my legs : muscles weakness, tremors

Arms and legs are burning too but I can bear it. 

Sensibility to light and noises again : it had disappeared. 

Depression again  it had reduced. 

 

I have the worst symptoms I have ever had. 

 

If I understand your point of view has not changed. 

 

I forced me to walk 20 mn today, really hard but I did it. 

 

Thank you so much Shep! 

 

Vega. 

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Altostrata

Vegalia, I believe all these tips you're sharing with the French forum should be helpful:

 

Everyone here has a trail of mistakes that brought them to this place, please do not blame yourself.

 

I can see you're trying to find a solution in your history in this post:

 

You need to attach your drug intake for each of the events you list. For example, what combination of drugs were you taking in July, August, September, and October? You've tried to explain, but the detail is too confusing for me to follow. You've made changes almost continually. You will need to put whatever events you consider to be significant in an easy-to-understand chronological form.

 

Even so, your symptoms may not be resolved by the perfect drug recipe. It could be that over the months, your digestive system has become more sensitive or experienced more erosion from the smoking.

 

I can understand why you would want to make a relatively simple change in your escilatopram dose rather than the more difficult task of quitting smoking. But because of the possibility some of your symptoms are from smoking, whatever antidepressant withdrawal symptoms you might have are unclear. If you subtracted the stomach-burning symptom, nausea, and some of the pain from your symptom pattern, what would be left? Can you try doing that by reducing smoking?

 

I can't think of a way to resolve your current situation other than 1) Keep your drug intake consistent, stop changing it; 2) Help your nervous system calm down with gentle exercise; 3) Work on the symptoms that may not be drug-related, such reducing smoking to lessen the stomach-burning and pain. As you know, long-term smoking has bad neurological effects, too.

 

After you are a few months off cigarettes, we can look at your symptom pattern again.

 

By the way, my brother was a heavy cigarette smoker all his adult life. He lost a lung to cancer a couple of years ago. The cancer may have just recurred. I asked him why he continued to smoke after our mother, also a heavy smoker, lost a lung to cancer. He said he thought it would never affect him. Please do not make this mistake.

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5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

 

 

I forced me to walk 20 mn today, really hard but I did it. 

 

 

 

Vega. 

cool c'est bien vega 😉😘

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2 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, I believe all these tips you're sharing with the French forum should be helpful:

 

Everyone here has a trail of mistakes that brought them to this place, please do not blame yourself.

 

I can see you're trying to find a solution in your history in this post:

 

You need to attach your drug intake for each of the events you list. For example, what combination of drugs were you taking in July, August, September, and October? You've tried to explain, but the detail is too confusing for me to follow. You've made changes almost continually. You will need to put whatever events you consider to be significant in an easy-to-understand chronological form.

 

Even so, your symptoms may not be resolved by the perfect drug recipe. It could be that over the months, your digestive system has become more sensitive or experienced more erosion from the smoking.

 

I can understand why you would want to make a relatively simple change in your escilatopram dose rather than the more difficult task of quitting smoking. But because of the possibility some of your symptoms are from smoking, whatever antidepressant withdrawal symptoms you might have are unclear. If you subtracted the stomach-burning symptom, nausea, and some of the pain from your symptom pattern, what would be left? Can you try doing that by reducing smoking?

 

I can't think of a way to resolve your current situation other than 1) Keep your drug intake consistent, stop changing it; 2) Help your nervous system calm down with gentle exercise; 3) Work on the symptoms that may not be drug-related, such reducing smoking to lessen the stomach-burning and pain. As you know, long-term smoking has bad neurological effects, too.

 

After you are a few months off cigarettes, we can look at your symptom pattern again.

 

By the way, my brother was a heavy cigarette smoker all his adult life. He lost a lung to cancer a couple of years ago. The cancer may have just recurred. I asked him why he continued to smoke after our mother, also a heavy smoker, lost a lung to cancer. He said he thought it would never affect him. Please do not make this mistake.

Thank you Altostrata, thank you so much, 

 

Before to take benzo,  reduced cigarettes to 5-7 a day in intention to stop... All my work time I didn't smoked with no problem, only at house. 

My mother died of cancer of bladder which can related with cigarette, even if she stooped to smoke she was 40 years old. . My father has bowel cancer which can be in relation with cigarette and alcohol. I'm angry to smoke  you know... To smoke is now compulsive : I smoke but don't appreciate it, like a obsessional compulsive trouble... 

 

I already stop smoking 5 years. Stupid addiction, I know. I promised my father to stop smoking and a friend of my age (41 years old) who fight with cancer ( but not in relation with tobacco.,) 

 

I will reduce slowly in first time. I have a plan. -;1 cigarette a week like Shep Sayed could be good. To fast = to much stress. 

 

If I can't walk I have find exercises to do. I made today because my legs muscles are a catastrophe : they have reduce a lot, because of not enough activity since 3 months. I have made a fight to be able to walk with my mother: several surgeries and hard treatments and it was not sure that I can walk one day. . I began to walk I was 2 years old : victory. I  can always walk even if I can't run anymore since long time. I must not forget this and assure me to walk so old it will be possible. 

 

 

--> good motivations. 

 

I make gentle exercises for nervous system bevery days  :)

 

I will try to answer you more clear tomorrow. To  be concise and not say details is a difficult  : it is my personality and it comes of my literary studies too sometimes a problem...Not natural to be concise for me : I will do my best, I promise. 

 

I am sorry for your brother and your mother  Altostrata. 

 

Thank you so much. 

 

Vega. 

 

 

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Vegalia

Hello, 

 

2018 :

 

29 August : Venlafaxine 75 mg XR, clotiazépam 5 mg x 2  

-Enervate

19 September: Venlafaxine 75 mg XR, clotiazépam 5 mg x 2  

- No more enervate

November Sertraline 50 mg, prazepam 10 mg x 3 to 9,5 x 3

- enervate and drowsiness after each dose of prazepam during 3 hours (pattern : good at wake, drowsiness, enervate, drowsiness, enervate, drowsiness) 

- beginning of arms burnings and aches every days and legs burnings and aches sometimes. 

- ecchymosis

- visual problems

- recover normal sleep : +/- 7 h, frequent naps

 

December 2018 to middle April 2019

Sertraline taper 50 mg to 25 mg gradually, prazepam 9,5 x 3 to 7,52 x 3

- enervate : less and less and no more

- drowsiness more and more, frequent naps, problems of memory and concentration more and more. 

- Ecchymosis less and less and stop. 

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- legs aches and burnings very rare

- visual problems : less and less

- Other symptoms like nausea, dizziness, head ache but less and less

= W/D normal cf Brassmonkey explications. 

 

Middle April to middle June 2019

Sertraline 25 mg, prazepam 7,52 mg x 3 to 6 mg x 3 :

- drowsiness lees and less, recover of memory and concentration=80 %

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- legs acches and burnings: stop

- nausea : stop

- Dizziness : very rare. 

- visual problems : stop

- Other symptoms but not during. 

= W/D normal cf Brassmonkey explications. 

 

Middle June to middle July 2019

Sertraline 25 mg, prazepam 6 mg to 5,145 mg x 3:

- drowsiness very little, recover of memory and concentration 90 %

 

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- Other little symptoms but not during. 

- Enervate again a little and it increase. 

 

 

15 July to 31 July 2019

Escitalopram 5 mg to 2,25 mg, prazepam 5,145 mg x 3 :

 - tired  and after 3 days enervate again--> reduce fast escitalopram : less enervate

 - arms aches and burnings : stop

 

 

I will finish later : I go to psychiatrist  🙄

 

Vega

 

 

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August 2019 :

Escitalopram 2,25 mg to 1,50 mg, prazepam 5,145 mg to 4,94 mg x 3 :

 

- less and less enervate

- unstable neuro-emotions :  very tired, anxious sometimes : new

 

- a lot of sweat : new

- diarrhea from middle of August during one  month non stop : new

 

- headache : return

 

- sleep +/- 6 h

 

September 2019

Escitalopram 1,50 mg to 1,25 mg and to 1,38 mg and 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,94 mg x 3 to 4,645 mg x 3 and 4,75 mg x 3

 

- no enervate, anxious sometimes.

- hard fatigue, lethargy

 

- depression : new

- a lot of dreams : new

- contractions muscles of back, nape : new

- sensations of electricity in spine and head, brain zaps, headache : new

- intrusive ideas : new

- problems of equilibrium new

- muscles of legs weakness new

 

- visual problems return  

- sensibility to light and noises : return (had in July 2018) 

- pancreas burning : return ( had in July 2018) 

- Nausea : return but all days (had no more since may 2019) 

 

- sweat less and stop

 

- sleep +/- 6 h.

 

October 2019 

Escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,75 mg x 3 :

 

- Horrible neuro-emotions, internal Akathisy, crisis : new

 Depression : more and more

- hard anxiety : return

 

- Hypnagogic hallucinations : new

- a lot of dreams : new

- back, nape, very contracted and burnings : new

 - sensations I will faint : new

 

- arms and legs burnings : return (had no more since middle July) 

- stomach burnings : return (had in june-july 2018 after taking anti inflammatories) 

 

- sensations of electricity in spine and head, brain zaps, headache : more and more

 

- fog in brain  =

- a little DP/ DR  =

- intrusive ideas  =

- sensibility to light and noises =

- Visual problems =

- problems of equilibrium =

 

- muscles of legs weakness less and stop

- pancreas burning : stop

 

- sleep +/- 6 h, sometimes bad sleep. 

 

 

November 2019

Escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,75 mg x 3 :

 

- Horrible neuro-emotions, internal Akathisy, crisis, But : less depression, less anxiety. 

 

- Little tremors in lips, tongue, jaw new

- Sensations of tremor in head and brain new

 

- stomach burnings more and more

- back, nape, very contracted and burnings until head : more and more

- arms and legs burnings : more and more

 

- intrusive ideas =

 

-  sensibility to light and noises : less and less and very slight. 

- Hypnagogic hallucinations : less and stop

- problems of equilibrium less and stop

- Sensation of electricity in spine and head, brain zaps : stop

- Visual problems : stop

- Dreams : normal

 

- sleep 4-5 h, sometimes very bad sleep. 

 

December : 2019

Escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,75 mg x 3 :

 

- Neuro-emotions : more stable, less depression 

 

- jaw muscles contractions : new

 

- Hypnagogic hallucinations : return

- visual problems return 

- fog in brain : return  

sweat sometimes  return  

 

- sensibility to light and noises : more and more

- stomach burnings :  more and more

- back, nape burnings until head : more and more

- arms and legs burnings : more and more

- little tremors in lips, tongue, jaw : more and more

- Sensations of tremor in head and brain more and more

 

- intrusive ideas =

- bruxism = 

 

- back, nape, very contracted  : less

 

- a little DP/ DR : rare

- fog in brain : stop

 

- sleep 5 h, less bad sleep. 

 

January  2020 : 

Escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,75 mg x 3 :

 

- Horrible neuro-emotions, internal Akathisy, crisis, depression : return

 

 

- tinglings in legs new

 

- problems of equilibrium return

- muscles of legs weakness return

 

 

- sensibility to light and noises : more and more

- stomach burnings :  more and more

- back, nape, very contracted and burnings until head : more and more

- arms and legs burnings : more and more

- little tremors in lips, tongue, jaw more and more

- Sensations of tremor in head and brain more and more

- jaw muscles contractions : more and more

 

- intrusive ideas =

- bruxism = 

- visual problems =

- little heart palpitations on evening=

- Hypnagogic hallucinations=

sweat =

 

- stomach burning : a little less

 - a little DP/ DR : rare

 

- sleep 5-6 h, bad sleep sometimes. 

 

*****

Very cold often since September. 

 

Answer don't needed  if  nothing new. 

 

Thank you so much. 

 

 

Vega

 

 

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Vegalia

Hello, 

 

I wrote a wrong information

 

 

 

2018 :

 

 

*29 August : 

Venlafaxine 75 mg XR : 8.30 am, clotiazépam 5 mg x 2  11 am and 11 pm

-Enervate

 

*19 September:

venlafaxine 37,5 mg XR : 8.30 am, clotiazépam 5 mg x 2  9 am and 9 pm(schedule gradually changed) 

- No more enervate

 

*November

Sertraline 50 mg : 8.30 am, prazepam 10 mg x 3 to 9,5 x 3 at 9 am, 3 pm, 9 pm

- enervate and drowsiness after each dose of prazepam during 3 hours (pattern : good at wake, drowsiness, enervate, drowsiness, enervate, drowsiness) 

- beginning of arms burnings and aches every days and legs burnings and aches sometimes. 

- ecchymosis

- visual problems

- recover normal sleep : +/- 7 h, frequent naps

 

 

*December 2018 to middle April 2019 : 

Sertraline taper 50 mg to 25 mg gradually : 8.30 am, prazepam 9,5 x 3 to 7,52 x 3  at 9 am, 3 pm, 9 pm :

- enervate : less and less and no more

- drowsiness more and more, frequent naps, problems of memory and concentration more and more. 

- Ecchymosis less and less and stop. 

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- legs aches and burnings very rare

- visual problems : less and less

- Other symptoms like nausea, dizziness, head ache but less and less

 

= W/D normal cf Brassmonkey explications. --> symptoms reduce

 

 

 

*Middle April to middle June 2019 

Sertraline 25 mg : 8.30 am, prazepam 7,52 mg x 3 to 6 mg x 3 at 9 am, 3 pm, 9 pm

- drowsiness lees and less, recover of memory and concentration=80 %

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- legs acches and burnings: stop

- nausea : stop

- Dizziness : very rare. 

- visual problems : stop

- Other symptoms but not during.

 

= W/D normal cf Brassmonkey explications.  --> symptoms reduce again

 

 

 

*Middle June to middle July 2019 : 

Sertraline 25 mg : 8.30 am, prazepam 6 mg to 5,145 mg x 3 at 9 am, 3 pm, 9 pm

- drowsiness very little, recover of memory and concentration 90 %

- arms aches and burnings less and less

- Other little symptoms but not during. 

- Enervate again a little and it increase. 

 

--> symptoms reduce again but enervate

 

 

*15 July to 31 July 2019 : 

Escitalopram 5 mg to 2,25 mg at 8.30 am, prazepam 5,145 mg x 3 at 9 pm, 3 pm, 9 pm

 - tired and after 3 days enervate again, very enervate--> reduce fast escitalopram : less enervate

 - arms aches and burnings : stop

 

 --> symptoms very little but more enervate

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Vegalia

Hello,

 

A small passage to thank you for the time spent with me

 

I try to keep the strength I have left to try to see which hospital I can go to. It's dramatic for me to get there.

 

My nervous system was very damaged and I arrived too late on your forum unfortunately. I can no longer fight and can no longer function to survive my basic needs. I'll be honest, I updated to 1.60 mg 5 days ago. I broke down.

 

I am in an emergency because I no longer want to live. I have had a lot of great things in my life and I  what I want to is just die in peace now. 

 

It is too hard  psychically, psychologically and physically. To much symptoms and too hard 

 

I would only like one thing ... which I will not say....but I do not know how to go about it for it to succeed. 

 

I am not as strong as many of you. My life is wasted as well as that of those I love, starting with the man I love, love of my life. I can't bear see him suffering anymore. 

 

And I can't suffer so hard anyomore. I make self care all day hypnosis : almost all day, little exercises, I force me to walk... but...

 

Thank you to those who supported and helped me. You  couldn't make more for me. 

 

With lot of love ❤. 

 

Vega

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Altostrata

Vegalia, are you reducing your cigarette smoking? Withdrawal from that can cause a lot of emotional discomfort, too.

 

Prazepam can cause fatigue and depression.

 

More chronological history after July 31, 2019 would be helpful.

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, are you reducing your cigarette smoking? Withdrawal from that can cause a lot of emotional discomfort, too.

 

Prazepam can cause fatigue and depression.

 

More chronological history after July 31, 2019 would be helpful.

Hello Altostrata, 

 

1. I reduce but a little. 13/14. 15 before. 

 

2. Yes. I have things of agressivity by myself again too. 

 

3. Ok. It will be long for me to find it. I didn't made diary but I can find what I wrote on French forum tomorrow morning. It is late in France and I have a migraine. 

 

I have had information to the "best" Clinic I can find, even if I know it isn't a good solution. 

 

Thank you so much. I didn't thought have an answer. 

Thank you. 

 

Vega 

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

I realize that the back pains started in June ... as well as some brain zaps ... : I have read what I wrote in French forum... 

 

For more chronological history after 31/07 it is very complicated, all is unstable and fluctuant : physical symptoms and neuro-emotions. 

 

August 2019 :

1 August : escitalopram 2,25 mg, prazepam 5,04 mg :

Already brain zaps, fog in brain, muscles spams back, spine and headaches : sensations of electricity some burnings in arms but bearable 

2 days long : drowsiness and enervate in the same time

6 August  same doses

feel me more stable with emotions, but hard tiredness. Physical symptoms in reduction. 

14 August same doses :

Enervate again ++  and a little drowsiness. Physical symptoms bearable : the sames + beginning of diarrhea. 

16 August escitalopram 1,75 mg, prazepam 5, 04mg :

Very enervate, return of unpleasant sensations in head, spine, I am cold, arms burnings, diarrhea

17 August same doses

less enervate, tiredness, anxiety. Feel me better after prazepam 9 pm, diarrhea

18 August same doses

Hard tiredness. No enervate, no anxiety, sensations I will faint, diarrhea

22 August escitalopram 1,75 mg, prazepam 4,94mg :

Aches increased gradually since 4 days, anxiety sometimes 4-5/10 v but not every days and not during.

good sleep.diarrhea 

22 August same doses :

enervate again end hard tiredness lethargy. Diarrhea. 

neuro-emotions unstable. 

22 August escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,94mg :

drowsiness, anxiety, but feel better, can drive 35 km to see my father. Diarrhea. 

 

September 2019  

2 September escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,79 mg :

Hard tiredness, physical symptoms in head  spine, back like electricity increase a lot since several days again. Bruxism. 

But feel me less tired after little reduce of prazepam. Diarrhea. 

9 September escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,645 mg :

Symptoms reduce. 

12 September same doses

aches in pancreas

 

I finish later

 

Vega

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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September 2019  

2 September escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,79 mg  x 3:

Hard tiredness, physical symptoms in head  spine, back like electricity increase a lot since several days again. Bruxism. 

But feel me less tired after little reduce of prazepam. Diarrhea. 

9 September escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,645 mg x 3:

Symptoms reduce. 

12 September : 1,25 mg rmescitalopram, prazepam 4,645 mg x3

aches in pancreas  hard tiredness. 

19 September same doses:

I realize I make depression.  Aches in back, spine l, nape and unpleasant sensations in head increase. Burning of back, nape, spine. 

24 September : reinstatement escitalopram 1,38 mg,  prazepam 4,675 x 3:

21 September, same doses: 

return of anxiety, always aches in body, no more diarrhea, beginning of nausea,  beginning of sensibility lights and noises  neuro-emotions very unstable 

24 September : reinstatement : escitalopram 1,38 mg, prazepam 4,675 mg x 3:

less aches in body, but hard headache, sensations of electricity in head  always depression and nausea, neuro-emotions unstable

27 September : escitalopram 1,38 mg, prazepam : 4,75 mg x 3

beginning of stomach burnings, anxiety. Aches... Depression neuro-emotions unstable, beginning of intrusive idea.. 

 

28 September : reinstatement : escitalopram 1,50 mg, prazepam 4,75 mg x 3:

same symptoms. 

 

Since end September : hard symptoms, more and more hard, less and less bearable. 

 

 

--> all is confused. 

Since July I made very bad things with drugs. 

 

I don't know how you can help me more. 

My state is worse and worse, with several days who I'm better, after I'm more worse, after a little better, like waves but in the wrong direction. 

 

I can't accept my situation, I try but I can't. Because I of the waves in the bad direction. 

 

My CNS has a lot of damage. I feel me like I'm crazy and definitely lost. My aches and  emotional spiral are too hard. Don't have strength to fight anymore. 

I can't live to alone and make basic self care anymore. For my companion it is too hard too take care of me. He is in depression. 

I think I have made error with prazepam today and 3 days ago but not sure... These two day maybe 4,75 mg x 2 an morning. A lot of confusion... I didn't want to do it... : confusion. I forget to record my doses when I always did

Since two days I have compulsive obsessional troubles. I never had. 

I think I can be violent and dangerous. 

 

 Kisses

 

Vega

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


 

 

 

 

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Hi, 

 

Nobody can know but a bad reaction is possible.

Escitalopram reinstatement at 1,60 mg + what I did with prazepam (and don't wanted to do) 

Stomach less burning.... Nausea. 

Muscle a little less contracted. 

Neuro-emotions less awful. No anxiety! 🤨 I am more motivated to do activities but... 

But all body more and more burning ++++ since today, with tinglings, tremors. It is burning legs, aches and arms under the skin 9/10 or more? 

Little palpitations.

A little tinnitus (new) but not important. 

 

Head ache very very hard. 

I think I must see a doctor. 

 

Good luck to everybody! 

 

Kisses

 

Vega

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Good evening, 

 

I have a question if someone had  a point of view. 

 

I have always very hard burnings in back, shoulders, nape, until temples, migraines. 

 

I have burnings in arms and burnings and now  itching under the skin of legs. However, Il don't have any rash. 

Could it be intolerance, adverse reaction? Or is it a frequent symptom? 

 

Thank you. 

 

Have a good day. 

 

Vega. 

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