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Hi @Hisame

 

Thank you for comming hère.

The most of burnings seems to be on the surface

 

Je te souhaite bon courage et d'aller mieux.

 

Vega

 

Salut @rola

 

Thank you, I hope you too.

5h30 of sleep : ça va.

Only my father doesn't know in my familly.

My friends knows. Chacun son choix

 

Prends soin de toi.

 

Bisous

 

Vega.

 

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Sassenach

Hi Vega

 

23 hours ago, Vegalia said:

go to the psychiatr with taxi,

 

How did this meeting go?

Your symptoms are moving through the normal range.

I know it does not feel good but it does mean you are getting better, sloooooooooowly🤗

 

Sass

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37 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Hi Vega

 

 

How did this meeting go?

Your symptoms are moving through the normal range.

I know it does not feel good but it does mean you are getting better, sloooooooooowly🤗

 

Sass

 

Hi Sass 

 

For the meeting with the doctor ?

I was polite. She prescrived me DA and prazepam.

Of course she Sayed That I can't have tapering too fast the DA : too little doses. ^^

And you knows for lamictal. But she Sayed too that she doesn't want to force me to take a drug...

 

I hope I will get better but anxiety is So hard that is it as a nightmare. 😧

So : "If you are going through Hell, keep going?"

 

Good evening Sass

 

Vega.

 

 

 

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Vegalia
  • 16  october
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sleep for 11.30 pm to 5.30am woke with back pain and burning : 4 head pain : 3, brain zap, nausea

8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 4 dépression 4

8.30 am :  breakfast and  escitalopram1,5 mg 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 5, anxiety 7-8

1.30  pm : homeopathy, eat. Anxiety ; 8,,5, dépression 5 I really forced me to eat !

Go 15 mn in the garden and found a violette in october...(my favorite flower)= all is possible. ^^

Take courage and go to the pharmacy with my car (5km)

3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg always very anxious

3.30 PM : walking 20 mn (I dind't do this fore long, long time. It was difficult, but I was happy to be able to do this.

7.40 pM : homéopathy, dîner,  dépression 5, anxiety 5 :) pains, burnings and brain zap So as yesterday. Brain like in fog, leds than yesterday.

9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 5 : anxiety 5

11.PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : several times 

Back muscles contracted, burning arms, legs, brain zap : harder morning and evening, = yestetday.

unplaisant spine sensations  :stable

Painfull legs : stable

legs are like cotton : no

Equilibrium problems : on morning and evening more than yesterday

visual problems : not a lot

Bruxism : 6

Cold  : 2 times

sensibility to light and noises  : stable

small difficulties for speech in réduction

No sweat 

Cry several times but just little tears.

 

 

Today, the most difficult was anxiety.^^

Physical symptôms are harder  early am morning and the evening.

Depression stable, more anxiety : very hard !

 

Since 4 days pain in pancrea again.

 

Fingers crossed for tomorrow..

 

Vega

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Vegalia
12 hours ago, Sassenach said:

Your symptoms are moving through the normal range.

I know it does not feel good but it does mean you are getting better, sloooooooooowly🤗

 


Hi,

 

Yesterday I wrote just before 9pm:

 

 

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7.40 pM : homéopathy, dîner,  dépression 5, anxiety 5 :) pains, burnings and brain zap So as yesterday. Brain like in fog, leds than yesterday.

9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 5 : anxiety 5

11.PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

 

After 9 PM anxiety increased to 8, brain zap incresed, hard head pain, scalp scratching and burning.

I toke 1g paracétamol at 11 PM.

Go to bed, make heart coherence " cohérence cardiaque " : I make this 3 times a day 10 mn.

Anxiety is less hard. I try to do méditation with an application on m'y phone but I feel asleep.

I think that L-tryptophan help me to sleep? I feel asleep Every day about 30 mn after L-tryptophan.

I have sleeping for 11.30 PM to 5 MP. But me sleep was bad with several wakes and drowsiness.

This morning : nausea, back and head pain, bruxism. Jaw pain, neck pain, arms and back burning, a lot of unplaisant spine and nose sensations  . I feel like I'm hoarse ( enrhumée) and I'am very cold. I have muscle spasme.

And the worse : terrible Brain zaps !

 

I have problèms of memory who are increasing.

 

Since several days, I wonder me if I should increase escitalopram, but I dont want to be embrazed. What to do ?

As I inceased my dose to 1,38, I wondered me if I should increase to 2 mg, but it was saying me that 1,38 mg should be probably enough...with more compléments...

 

@Shep

I have try again with my mouth guard since 3 days but it makes

me teeth and jaw pain when I'm wearing it. 

 

 

My periods are begining, I'm often worse during my periods but it can not all explain.

 

I isolate me a lot in my room : for smoking less and because the TV is always working when my companion is hère. But I make all I can to seems "normal". And the evening I watch a film at TV with him. Yesterday, I saw tears in his éyes. I tryed to speak with him. But, he dont want to speak me anymore. He's affraid of my situation I think.

 

Thank you for advices. 

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

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Hisame

Hi Vegalia,

I’m sorry your boyfriend is worried about you. I know it’s sometimes hard to hide your pains from your loved ones.

I’m single, but very close to my parents and my sister, and I know that I cause them a lot of worries.

Courage pour ton sevrage, tu y es presque !

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5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Since several days, I wonder me if I should increase escitalopram, but I dont want to be embrazed. What to do ?

 

How did you feel in August when you were last on 1.75 mg?

 

5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I have try again with my mouth guard since 3 days but it makes

me teeth and jaw pain when I'm wearing it. 

 

Does it align properly in your mouth? How often do you go without wearing it? The reason I'm asking is because if you stop wearing a mouth guard for long periods of time, your teeth can shift enough for the alignment to be incorrect. Over time, our teeth make subtle shifts and move. You may need to consult your dentist just to be sure. 

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Vegalia

Hello Shep

 

43 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

How did you feel in August when you were last on 1.75 mg?

 

 

What I wrote 16 August :

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I was better able to calm down a little yesterday at times, thanks to different techniques, including isolating myself in a quiet place, far from this sempiternelle TV that runs from morning to evening with shows sometimes seen several times already ... (habit of my darling who is on vacation and even to fall asleep!). It annoys me usually but there: unbearable ...

External signs of nervousness are however felt, obviously in a certain misunderstanding, not total I think however.

In short, very fast this morning, it skyrockets, I'm bad (I still have not taken anything): I try to lower the seroplex 0.25, although I think also may have symptoms of withdrawal and that's what reassures me not always about lowering ... (chills, uncomfortable sensations in the head sometimes, burns, lower eyelids that jump without stopping, spasms, head that turns when I get down and up. ..) Bruxism and pain in the jaw returned.

 

 

I can say that after all taper, nervosity came but slowly. I know that with DA the effect of a réduction Côme long time after by me. It was the reason why with Sertraline I had taper all 28 dans and not all 15 days as suggested. And the nervosity had fast desappeared. No nervosity  since half décembre to end of jun ! I feeled me a little nervous in jun and it increased slowly.

 

After begining  escitalopram nervosity increased very fast.

After 16 August the nervosity reduced and disappeared definitivly. I have it one time 30 mn since.

I wonder me if I don't have slow métabolism.

 

 

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Vegalia
1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

Does it align properly in your mouth? How often do you go without wearing it? The reason I'm asking is because if you stop wearing a mouth guard for long periods of time, your teeth can shift enough for the alignment to be incorrect. Over time, our teeth make subtle shifts and move. You may need to consult your dentist just to be sure. 

 

No it doesn't, and that is the problèm. My two jaws are shifted, upper advanced jaw. My mouth guard is only in upper jaw. I can't afford me to pay another.

I have wearing it just one week since 6 septembre, and another try 3 last days.

 

I sleeped by 10 to 11am this morning. I have a terrible head  pain and anxiety. :(

 

I hope that you understand m'y english.

 

Thank you @Shep

 

Vega.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

Hello Shep

 

I can say that after all taper of escitalopram, nervosity camed back but slowly taper after taper I know that with DA the effect of a réduction come long time after by me. It was the reason why with Sertraline I had tapered all 28 days and not tryed all 15 days as suggested. And the nervosity had fast desappeared. No nervosity  since half décembre to end of jun ! I feeled me a little nervous in jun and it increased slowly.

 

After begining  escitalopram nervosity increased very fast.

After 16 August the nervosity  not reduced a lot and that's why I tapered (too fast) to 1,50 4 days later. I had a lot of symptoms if in the same times but as I can stand it, I reduced...

 

And... nervosity disappeared definitivly. I have it one time 30 mn since.

I wonder me if I don't have slow métabolism.

 

 

 Sorry , I wanted to édit this message for correction and not to quote it.

 

Vega

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Vegalia

Hi,

 

I'm sorry to post So much today. But There are symptôms that I must explain I think.

At 1pm I toke paracétamol.

I have stayed in bed in dark since m'y last post.

I don't wanted sleep but to rest in dark. The head pain reduced a little but was always hard.

I had intrusive images as a became to dream and intrusive noises to (hypnagogic hallucinations ?) For exemple,it was as I dreamed that I was in the sofa with m'y companion and he puted a lighter of the table : It was as I heard the noise and it wakes me brutally. This is an exemple, but the same things happened maybe 10 times during I was in bed.

I have had hypnagogic hallucinations during one week as as sarted m'y first DA : venlafaxine and they had gone.

 

Just before I arrivéd in this forum I have had 3 days hypnagogic hallucinations but it had gone.

I had too during one week bad intrusive images, but they were gone.

 

I just have go in the living room 30 mn to talk with m'y companion : he explained his day. No problèm to understand what it told me and to answer to him I was cohérent. Of course he was watching TV.

 

But the head pain increased and brain zap Côme back with hard pain to neck ( nuque, base de la tête) and zap hère too. The bruxisme is very hard, m'y back is burning.

 

I'm in m'y bedroom again.Very very hard pain, terrible !!!

 

But anxiety is to 5, I have had worse.

 

What does it mean? W/B? Not enough or too much escitalopram ?

 

I'm So sad to have changed sertraline for escitalopram, but it's too late... 

 

Vega.

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rola

@Vegalia

coucou 

j espere que tu va un peu mieux 

moi aussi je ne sais pas ce que ça veut dire Wb

et ne t en veut pas d avoir changer de medicaments il faudra du temps mais tu vas y arriver sois patiente 

bisous 

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Vegalia

Thank you @rola

 

W/ b c'est syndrome de sevrage je crois

 

Bisous

 

Vega

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3 minutes ago, rola said:

 

 

moi aussi je ne sais pas ce que ça veut dire Wb

 

Les filles, est ce vous voulez parlez du terme WD ?

 

("Girls,  do you mean WD?)

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2 minutes ago, Erell said:

 

Les filles, est ce que vous voulez parlez du terme WD?

 

("Les filles, vous voulez dire WD?)

oui erell merci 

 

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Vegalia

Coucou @Erell

 

Oui, je suis un peu à la masse.^^ W/D

 

Merci

 

Vega

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Hi Vega

 

I know you will find it hard to believe but the changes are good.

They mean your brain is trying to rebuild and repair.

I hope you can read this.

 

This @Rhiannon explanation.

"When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) It also continues to happen, probably for longer than the symptoms actually last, throughout the time of recovery after we are completely off the drug, which is why recovery takes so long"

 

This is apace's version

Basically- you have a building where the MAJOR steel structures are trying to be rebuilt at different times - ALL while people are coming and going in the building and attempting to work.

It would be like if the World Trade Center Towers hadn't completely fallen - but had crumbled inside in different places.. Imagine if you were trying to rebuild the tower - WHILE people were coming and going and trying to work in the building!  You'd have to set up a temporary elevator - but when you needed to fix part of that area, you'd have to tear down that elevator and set up a temporary elevator somewhere else. And so on. You'd have to build, work around, then tear down, then build again, then work around, then build... ALL while people are coming and going, ALL while the furniture is being replaced, ALL while the walls are getting repainted... ALL while life is going on INSIDE the building. No doubt it would be chaotic. That is EXACTLY what is happening with windows and waves.  The windows are where the body has "got it right" for a day or so - but then the building shifts and the brain works on something else - and it's chaos again while another temporary pathway is set up to reroute function until repairs are made.  

 

1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

Not enough or too much escitalopram ?

Your past history shows you react badly to higher doses so stay  at your current dose and your brain will remodel around that dose.

 

 

1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

(hypnagogic hallucinations ?

Do you find these distressing or are wondering why they have returned.

 

It will take time but you will get there.

We are all much stronger when we beat this.

 

Sass

 

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Vegalia

Hi Sass

 

Thank you :)

 

 

  1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

Not enough or too much escitalopram ?

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Your past history shows you react badly to higher doses so stay  at your current dose and your brain will remodel around that dose.

 

But...what about the réactions of taper who comes not immediatly but several weeks later? I have reduce So fast that I didn't take times to sée if the nervosity reduced... 

 

I thought try to increase to 1,75 maybe or 2. Too dangerous?

 

Thank you @Sassenach

 

Good evening

 

Vega

 

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I think I will ask Altostrata for her opinion Vega.

She is much more experienced then me.

Because of your history I would not want to risk what you have achieved so far.

It will probably be tomorrow before we have an answer so please take normal dose tomorrow.

 

Sass

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Thank you So much Sass ! 

 

I do not usually complain a lot when I suffer, on the contrary. It is very very hard: unbearable. I am rather calm immediately strangely even if my suffering is atrocious, well beyond my tolerance threshold is strong. The zaps in the brain worry me a lot.

 

Thank you 

 

Vega.

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1 hour ago, Vegalia said:

Merci @rola

 

W / b c'est syndrome de sevrage je crois

 

Bisous

 

Vega

oui @Erell est venue nous répondre 

merci à vous les filles 😘

 

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9 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

do not usually complain a lot when I suffer

You are not complaining, you are telling us how you feel.

We need that info. to help you.😃

11 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

The zaps in the brain worry me a lot.

I understand that, but they really are a "normal symptom" and will disappear eventually.

You should not hold your feeling in Vega as it worsens anxiety.

Tell us how you feel, there will always be someone to listen and reassure.

It is important you feel supported.

You are brave young woman and you will get well.

 

Dormez tres bien

 

Sass

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Vegalia

 

 

 

 

Thank you Sass,

 

Is not really the symptôms who are worring me but the intensity !

 

During 3 months, after introduction of sertraline, I had So hard pains in arms than 

I could not even type on the keyboard of my computer (yet it's my job). 

I used my mobile phone with voice recognition, but I supported, I lived, no anxiety.

 

For more than three years, I went to work every day, despite terrible pain due to endometriosis. For example, during 6 months of very big pain of cystitis almost every day, I went to work.

 

I had about ten surgeries, most orthopedic for a birth defect. Since my adolescence, no day without suffering from my legs: I was going to work. My uncles and aunts who are over 70 years old, can walk much more easily and longtempd than me. I learned to live with these pains without drugs.

 

Since more of one year, I can't work anymore. However, until 1,5-2 months I could  live. Not a normàl life for m'y âge, but life : I was in acceptation.

now I can't take care of myself correctly, even for basic things. The suffer is worse that I have ever lived.

 

I Know, a lot of people are in the same case hère. :(

 

Maybe in several weeks I will be able to live again. But we dont know. I wish to have the best option with m'y drugs

Since several weeks  I would need an assistance to live, but I dont have it.

 

So you knows.

 

Thanks dear Sass. I dont forget that is difficult for you too. I'm very Grateful.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

 

 

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17 october

 

sleep for 11.30 pm to 5. am : but bad sleep with several wakes and drowsiness.

This morning : nausea, back and head pain, bruxism. Jaw pain, neck pain, arms and back burning, a lot of unplaisant spine and nose sensations  . I feel like I'm hoarse ( enrhumée) and I'am very cold. I have muscle spasme.

And the worse : terrible Brain zaps !

8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 4 dépression 4

8.30 am :  breakfast and  escitalopram1,5 mg 

9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 4 anxiety 4

10 am : go to bed : head pain and zap very hard.I sleeped 1 hour.

1 am : take paracétamol.

2. 30  pm : forget homeopathy. eat. Anxiety ; 4 dépression 5 I really forced me to eat !

3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg 

3.30 PM : in bedroom in darkness. Not really sleep but strange things like intrusive image, hypnagogic hallucinations. 

head pain and zap a little in réduction but very hard.

4.30 PM : go to the living room , talk with m'y companion. But ligth and noises increase m'y head pain and zap to : 9 ? 30 mn later : bedroom again until 7.40 pm 

7.40 pM : Cook : no choice. nobody do it for me...

Homéopathy, dîner,  dépression 5, anxiety 4 very heard pains, burnings and brain zap. Take paracétamol.

8.15 PM : back to bedroom..

9.16 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 5 : anxiety 5, painfull but head pain and zap in réduction  : 6-7

11.PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : several times 

Back muscles contracted, burning arms,  brain zap : very hard.

unplaisant spine sensations  : hard

Painfull legs : stable

legs are like cotton : no

Equilibrium problems : not a lot

visual problems : not a lot

Bruxism : 7

Cold  : almost all day

sensibility to light and noises  : increasing

small difficulties for speech in réduction

No sweat 

Cry 2 times but just little tears.

diarrhea.

 

 

Today, the most difficult was pains. Particulary head pain and zaps : terrible !

Physical symptôms are hard all the day.

Depression stable, less anxiety

 

pain in pancrea again.

 

Fingers crossed for tomorrow..

 

Vega

 

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53 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

17 octobre

 

dormez  de 23 h 30 à 5 h : mais vous dormez mal avec  plusieurs réveils et somnolence.

Ce matin: nausées, maux de dos et à la tête, bruxisme. Douleur à la mâchoire, des douleurs au cou, les bras et le dos brûlant, beaucoup de  la colonne vertébrale et unplaisant nez sensations  . J'ai l'impression d' être enrhumée et j'ai très froid. J'ai des spasmes musculaires.    

Et le pire: le cerveau terrible zappe!

8. 15 heures: homéopathie,  probiotiques,  citrate de lihium , anxiété 4 dépression 4

8h30: petit déjeuner  et   escitalopram1,5  mg 

9h: prazépam 4,75 mg,  dépression  : 4 anxiété 4

10h: aller au lit: douleur à la tête et zapper très fort.J'ai dormi 1 heure.

1h du matin: prendre du paracétamol.

14h30: oubliez l'homéopathie. manger. Anxiété  ; 4 dépression 5 Je me suis vraiment forcé à manger!

15 heures: prazépam 4,75 mg 

15h30: dans la chambre à coucher dans l'obscurité. Pas vraiment dormir, mais des choses étranges comme une image intrusive, des hallucinations hypnagogiques. 

douleur à la tête et zappe un peu en réduction mais très dur.

16h30: rendez-vous au salon, discutez avec mon compagnon. Mais la lumière et les bruits augmentent ma douleur à la tête et zappent à: 9? 30 mn plus tard: chambre à nouveau jusqu'à 19h40 

7h40: Cook: pas le choix. personne ne le fait pour moi ...

Homéopathie, dîner, dépression 5, anxiété 4 douleurs très entendues, brûlures et zaps cérébraux. Prenez du paracétamol.

20h15: retour à la chambre ..

Prazépam 4,75 mg, 21h16: dépression 5: anxiété 5, douleur mais douleur à la tête et zap en réduction  : 6-7

11.PM: homéopathie et L-tryptophane  220  mg

 

*****

nausée: plusieurs fois 

Les muscles du dos se  contractent, brûlent les bras, zappent le cerveau: très dur.

 sensations de  colonne vertébrale déplaisantes : dures 

Jambes douloureuses: stables

les jambes sont comme du coton  : non

Problèmes d'équilibre: pas beaucoup

problèmes visuels: pas beaucoup

Bruxisme : 7 

Froid: presque toute la journée

sensibilité à la lumière et aux  bruits: croissante

petites difficultés pour parler  en construction

Pas de transpiration 

Pleure 2 fois mais juste de petites larmes.

la diarrhée.

 

 

Aujourd'hui, le plus difficile était la douleur. Douleur à la tête et zaps: terrible!

Les symptômes physiques sont difficiles toute la journée.

Dépression stable, moins d'anxiété

 

douleur dans le pancréas à nouveau.

 

Croisons les doigts pour demain ..

 

Vega

 

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Altostrata

Vegalia, how are you taking 1.5mg escilatopram? Do you have a prescription liquid or are you making it yourself?

 

How have your symptoms changed over the last 2 weeks?

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On 10/3/2019 at 11:01 AM, Vegalia said:

 

To clarify things about antidepressants:


- 07/2018: Venlafaxine LP 75 mg LP: a lot of intense physical symptoms 3-4 days after start. (nausea, head pain, Brain zaps, problèms of equilibrium : all very, very hard)

After 2 weeks it reduced, the anxiety disappered immediatly after taking veratran 5 mgx2, but I am agitated and nervous. This agitation increases tendency to aggression that remains internal. I decide to reduce the dose.

 

- 19 August 2018 : Venlafaxine 37.5 mg LP: the agitation disappear quicky. I am much better. Feel good.

 

-  4 september 2018 : Venlafaxine 75 mg LP: my new psychiatrist insists on a new trial to take over from the anxiolytic in order to reduce it: after 2 weeks agitation and nervousness come back.

 

- 18 october : venlafaxine 37.5 mg LP-sertaline 25 mg 2 weeks. My psychiatrist want try another DA to stabilize me.

Nervosity and agitation reduced.

- 1 novembre 50 mg sertraline: my arms are full of pain, agitation nervousness internal feeling of aggressivity comes back after three to four weeks. 
I understand from reading Professor Briggin's writings that I most certainly have an anti-depressant overdose reaction with a maniac shift. My attitude changed so I feel extremely uninhibited while I am a rather discreet and calm person. I decide to reduce.

 

- 11/18 -> 04/18 Sertraline taper 50 mg -> 25 mg
 First taper : directly to 40 mg. I'm going for 28 days and I'm trying as much as I can then not to go over 10% every 28 days. I do this with masterful preparations from my psychiatrist who refuses any dose below the mg. We have no liquid sertraline in France I tried to titrate with water and precision balance but it did not work because the powder of the gelule is extremely fine and it burns the digestive system.
The agitation reduced very quickly and disappeared until the end of this reduction to 25 mg.
 Symptoms: mainly severe muscle pain in the arms and legs but reduced at each end of stage. Also visual problem: visual perception at times as if I blink very quickly while I do not have the sensation of blinking or as if my eyes move extremely fast from left to right. This lasts about a second several times a day. it's symptoms appeared at the introduction of sertraline and then gradually decreased. other symptoms like headache or nausea, problems of equilibrium, cold, but that does not last with good recovery at the end of each taper.

The taper 50 to 25 mg sertraline is sucessfull. But I néed a pause.And more and more I tapered sertraline, more and more I feeled me overdosed with benzo.

 

- April 2019: I stay at 25 mg of sertraline and I gradually reduce lysanxia/ Prazepam. I have symptoms but this is bearable most of the time. overall I am much better and the pains are lessening. I recover memory. It was a good time.

 

- 15/07 2019:
In reason of a return of nervousness and intense agitation: I décide to taper antidepressant. But I want to do this good, gradualy, dégressive and with more précision with liquide antidépressant. I focalized of the extrem precision, thinking that taper sertraline mg to mg was not good. I was a little ffraid to change of DA, but I would tapering with précision. Error...

. Sertraline 25 mg -> escitalopram 5 mg liquid : 1 drop = 1 mg.

it is from there that I no longer managed  my feelings.
Nervousness and agitation returned after about ten days very hard. I tapered to 4 mg hoping to hold this dose one month.
 But the agitation not going away I was advised to taper quickly. I tapered each time the nervousness returned, except when I went from 1.5 to 1.25 mg and that I do not know why today...

 

 Since the introduction of escitalopram, I have never really managed to stabilize myself.
 since 1 month I have a lot of digestive problems again with a lot of diarrhea Every day, pain in pancrea. Overall, I find myself in a similar situation in July of last year ( juste before begening of benzo) with slightly less severe anxieties, but something new a very unstable mood, especially with a very severe depression suddenly appearing and other new symptoms : hard tireness, sweat, hard head pain, return of slight Brain zaps, bruxism.

 

 

 

 Hello @Altostrata,

 

And thank you So much.

I tell you again m'y history with DA with corrections, I hope that is more clear...

I will tell you a résume of the last 15 days later

 

 

Vega.

 

 

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Good morning Vega

Alto only needs short concise answers.

1 are you making the 1.5 mg into a liquid yourself or or have you got prescription liquid from the chemist. It seems you have the prescription liquid but alto would just like to confirm  so we can be sure you are getting a correct dose.

2 briefly describe what symptoms have come and gone and do you feel they

are more or less intense than 2-weeks ago.

Sass

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12 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Good morning Vega

Alto only needs short concise answers.

1 are you making the 1.5 mg into a liquid yourself or or have you got prescription liquid from the chemist. It seems you have the prescription liquid but alto would just like to confirm  so we can be sure you are getting a correct dose.

2 briefly describe what symptoms have come and gone and do you feel they

are more or less intense than 2-weeks ago.

Sass

 Hi Sass,

 

1 : Seroplex liquid (escitalopram) 20 mg/ ml. 1 drop = 1 mg escitalopram and 4,7 mg éthanol.

2.Yes I will mâke a concise résume of the last 15 days  later : I need to compile m'y daylies notes for a short and concise answer. That is I wanted to do.

I need time to do it. 

 

Thank you.

 

Vega 

 

PS : I master the handling of syringes for précize doses.

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That's good Vega

How are you feeling this morning?

Sass

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I dont have a good sleep.

I have a lot of nausea, diarrhea, pain to pancréas, I'm tiréd, dépressive, very anxious. I'm cold

But, the head pain and zap are slightly.

 

Thank you

 

Vega

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As promised:

 

10 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, how are you taking 1.5mg escilatopram? Do you have a prescription liquid or are you making it yourself?

 

How have your symptoms changed over the last 2 weeks?

 

1.Seroplex liquid (escitalopram) 20 mg/ ml. 1 drop = 1 mg escitalopram and 4,7 mg éthanol.

 I master the handling of syringes for précize doses

 

2. Difficult for me to be concise, but I try :

Always dépression : it's difficult but in réduction since 1 week

Anxiety increased since one week and is very, very hard. It appears more and more aerly on morning and go this last days more l'âge.

Digestive problèmes were in réduction, but since several days it increase again

Pains, zap, burning were in réduction, but since several days it increase : yesterday terrible head pain et Brain zap, but spasmes globaly reduced.

Sleep was better, but since 3 days is not very good.

Tiredness is fluctuent

Sensibility with light and noises had reduced, but increase the last days

Problems of equilibrium were in réduction, but since several days it increase

Cold : almost every day

Intrusive images and hypnagogic hallucinations had disapear, but the came back since 2 days.

My memory is bad since one week and I've got full of umpleasant sensations in head.

I' m affraid to have really instable nervous système now and for long tome. So sad. Difficult to find courage.

A lot of the things seems to be in relation with m'y digestive problèms. I was relatively stable with it since several months. But since August it is very unstable again : seroplex ?

 

Sorry it's a little long, but I try doing m'y best.

 

Thank you.

 

Vega.

 

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CYP2C19 slow metabolizers In patients known to be slow metabolizers of CYP2C19 isoenzyme, an initial dose of 5 mg (5 drops) per day is recommended during the first two weeks of treatment. Depending on the individual therapeutic response, the dose may be increased to 10 mg (10 drops) per day (see section 5.2).

 

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PHARMACOKINETIC INTERACTIONS Effects of other drugs on the pharmacokinetics of escitalopram The metabolism of escitalopram essentially involves the CYP2C19 isoenzyme pathway. To a lesser extent, CYP3A4 and CYP2D6 isoenzymes may also contribute. S-DCT (demethylated escitalopram), a major metabolite, appears to be partially catabolized by CYP2D6 isoenzyme. Concomitant administration of escitalopram and omeprazole (CYP2C19 inhibitor) at a dose of 30 mg once daily resulted in a moderate (approximately 50%) increase in plasma concentrations of escitalopram.

Extract of french public drug database, for seroplex.

 

http://base-donnees-publique.medicaments.gouv.fr/affichageDoc.php?specid=62111790&typedoc=R

 

 

Before my very hard problèms of Anxiety in july 2018 for which I took alprazolam :

I had taken omeprazole during one month.

Tiredness was terrible, diarrhéa, pancréas pain with inflammation... And...unbearable anxiety came brutaly.. (With bas sleep) who forced me to take my first benzo, even if a was affraid with this drugs and dépendance.

 

Vega

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Vega

 

How old is your liquid escitalopram?

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11 minutes ago, Sassenach said:

Vega

 

How old is your liquid escitalopram?

 

I dont keep liquid escitalopram more of 8 weeks, as recommanded.

It's  6 weeks old.

 

And I also always kept at a temperature below 25 ° Celsius.

 

Vega

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Apologies for all the questions, we are checking everything to try and see why you are not improving.

 

Did you ask the doctor about checking Serotonin levels?

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