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Shep
42 minutes ago, Vegalia said:

Can I stay at 9, 3, 9 for prazepam ? (Remember :hour change in France sunday)

 

Sorry, I forgot about your time change. Yes, this will work fine. 

 

Many of us feel a bit down when the time and seasons change, so do a lot of self care. 

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1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

Sorry, I forgot about your time change. Yes, this will work fine. 

 

Many of us feel a bit down when the time and seasons change, so do a lot of self care. 

 

Thank you Shep,

 

Ok for the shedule.

Is not a little bit down, if only it was... I were happy. I feeled me so good two month ago, not perfect but so much better 

I can't promise you not to increase a little escitalopram. I try to do what you tell me, but...

 

I know you are not an emergency service. The time you spent to help a lot of people must be very big. 

 

I'm very Grateful for this.

 

Vega.

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22 october

 

I sleep for 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. 

Woke with nausea. Back and head pain, bruxism. Jaw pain, neck pain, unplaisant spine and nose sensations

 : all hard. I'm a little cold.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium citrate, anxiety 6 dépression 8

8.30 am : breakfast and  escitalopram1,5 mg 

9. 30 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 8 anxiety 6

10 am : pains no reduced a lot.

14 probiotics : homeopathy, eat a part of cake, anxiety 4, dépression 8. 

3.30 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg

7. pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 6 anxiety 7 head pain reduce, pains to arm, back, legs increase, burnings. Nausea  hard fog in Brain, I feel weak as if I'm going to faint...

9.30 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe almost all day

Back muscles contracted : increase

Painfull legs : not very hard but increase

Equilibrium problems : 4

visual problems :  2 times

Bruxism : 4

Cold  : juste on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : less hard than yesterday

small difficulties for speech  : slight

No diarrhea

Pain in pancrea

2 hypnagogic hallucinations before sleep

 

Today  head pain and  zaps were less sévère.

Depression and despear very hard. I had have a lot of sadness and anxiety.

i notice that several days pains and burning in arms increased.

Since 2 month I lost a lot of weight and a lot of hair

I make my companion sad, he has a lot of sad things in his life. he is depressed. I am sad and worried for him, he is sad and worried for me. We can not even see friends because of my condition to think of something else. We try to hold on and laugh when we can.

 

Tomorrow is another day.^^

 

Vega.

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Vegalia

Hello,

 

My programm to move drugs :

23 october : 9 am escitalopram, 9.30 am prazepam, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

24 october : 9.30 am prazepam, 10. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

25 october 9.30 am prazepam, 11. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

26 october : 9.30 am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

27 october 9. am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3. pm prazepam, 9. pm prazepam /!\ time change in France this day (GTM +2 too GTM + 1)

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

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5 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Hello,

 

My programm to move drugs :

23 october : 9 am escitalopram, 9.30 am prazepam, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

24 october : 9.30 am prazepam, 10. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

25 october 9.30 am prazepam, 11. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

26 october : 9.30 am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

27 october 9. am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3. pm prazepam, 9. pm prazepam /!\ time change in France this day (GTM +2 too GTM + 1)

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

 

This is a good plan. Please let us know how you feel. 

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1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

This is a good plan. Please let us know how you feel. 

 

Hello Shep,

 

I will tell you.

 

I'm worried because it happened last evening and another time not long ago, I feel that I will faint. My back is terribly tense, it burns, my arms burns tol and I have nausea. I will take my prazepam and lie down a bit.

 

I'm worried with L-tryptophan. I Never liked to take this complément. It might have bads effets but I let me convinced to take it because it was telling me with insistance that my taper who were fast will not be succefull if I dont take it. 🙄

 

I always took a much little dose than it was adviced to me, but I Never have take it for So long time.

I know that it must be stop gradualy : I have already stop it two times.

 

I always Sayed thas I was very sensible and had a lot of intolerances, my digestive système is fragile : "compléments, complément, compléments..." ' You must  take it to feel better and quicky big doses"... Compléments are not a panacée.

 

I dont like to take lithium too. I let me convinced too as L-tryptophane...

I Never took magnésium as it was adviced me with insistance too 3 or 4_times, because I have took it one time (before benzo and AD) and I feeled me nervous and me sleep was bad.

 

Howewer probiotics is my choice. It help me I think. But I take it 2 or 3 times one month a year.

 

I l'would like to try one day fish oïl, but very very gradualy.

 

Thank you Shep.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

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Good morning 

 

What a strange day today. 

 

23 october

 

Yesterday before to sleep, zaps came back  hard, but... they disappered I feel asleep vey relaxed.

I sleep for 11.30 pm to 4.30 am. 

Woke with nausea. Back and head pain, bruxism. Jaw pain, neck pain, unplaisant spine and nose sensations

 : all hard. I'm a little cold.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium citrate, anxiety 4 dépression 8, despair , very tired.

9 am : breakfast and  escitalopram1,5 mg 

9. 30 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 8 anxiety 4

10 am : pains  reduced  

2 pm probiotics : homeopathy, eat, anxiety 4, dépression 8. Nausea

3 pm : feel me bad feel that I will faint. My back is terribly tense, it burns, my arms Burns too, I have nausea, zap in head and spine : this symptôm is very hard to stand :( fog in brain.

3.30 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg anxiety 4, dépression 5

4.pm go to lie on too 6 pm One of my brothers (I've got 3) phone me. Back pain but other physical symptoms reduced a little.

7. pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 4, anxiety 3 fog in Brain, I feel weak as if I'm going to faint etc .... increrase again, my legs Burns too.

9.30 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe almost all day

Back muscles contracted : increase

Painfull legs : not very hard but increase

Equilibrium problems :  Not a lot

visual problems :  2 times

Bruxism : 4

Cold  : juste on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : less hard than yesterday :)

small difficulties for speech  : slight

No diarrhea

No hypnagogic hallucinations before sleep

 

This morning dépression was sévère, but not the rest of day.

very hard physical symptôms. The worse of them : the zaps !!! And felling weak as I'm going to faint.

I hâte zaps in head and spine !

I'm  happy of réduction of a part if symptôms but today is very hard, because still a lot  of severe symptôms...

 

Tomorrow is another day.^^

 

Vega.

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21 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I'm worried with L-tryptophan. I Never liked to take this complément. It might have bads effets but I let me convinced to take it because it was telling me with insistance that my taper who were fast will not be succefull if I dont take it. 🙄

 

What are the bad effects of the l-tryptophan? 

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26 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

What are the bad effects of the l-tryptophan? 

 

Hello Shep ,

 

Sorry, maybe the translator is not good, and I have reading the informations about it in this forum that I have already se en too.

 

Vega.

 

 

the TRYPTOPHAN which is a precursor of serotonin and is indicated in many cases high drive tension (restlessness, irritability, impulsivity, attraction for sweetness, alcohol, tobacco, and several pathologies linked to this high drive tension as overweight cravings, anorexia / bulimia, phobias, fibromyalgia, hyperactivity, some depressions ....), goes first in the digestive tract where it is transformed into serotonin by a particular population of cells, the so-called silver cells. However, serotonin that passes from the digestive tract into the blood can no longer pass the blood-brain barrier that protects the brain.

 

Where is she going  ?

This serotonin is mainly captured by platelets *  where it plays a role vasoconstrictor> If lesions: below the endothelium there are 5HT2 receptors and the effect of serotonin on these receptors is VASOCONSTRICTEUR !!! which increases the risks of migraines, thrombo-embolic accidents (phlebitis, embolisms, cerebrovascular accidents).

What do platelets do?

Platelets are present to prevent us from dying from bleeding. So in the event of a cut in the artery but already at the level of simple erosion of the arterial wall, the platelets stick to it, secrete serotonin, which, as its name indicates "serotonin", creates a vasoconstriction, to prevent hemorrhage, recruits other platelets that come to produce a plug ("thombus").

When tryptophan is taken, the platelets are transformed into time bombs ...

Because the erosions of the arterial walls are daily. They are even shown in dead fetuses. For example at bifurcations of arteries such as carotid artery, where blood flows are disturbed, such as water whirling on the bow of a bridge. As luck would have it, it is at the level of these bifurcations of the carotid artery or the renal artery that most people make their most severe atheromatous lesions ...

Moreover, apart from the thickening of the arterial walls produced by these platelet collages, the risk is that of plugs that migrate, this is called a thromboembolic accident, the most common mechanism of stroke.

According to Dr. Curtay taking tryptophan is very unlikely to raise cerebral serotonin and is a major risk factor for migraines and cardiovascular events.

Worse, the prehydroxylated form of tryptophan or 5HTP, if it enters a little bit into the brain, additionally has the possibility of entering the non-serotoninergic neuronal circuits and producing false neurotransmitters , that is, say that neurons for example dopaminergic will secrete serotonin instead of secreting dopamine! Because what allows the entry of the good precursor in the good circuit is the presence of the specific hydroxylase. If this step is bypassed, this protective selection mechanism is removed.

What to do to raise serotonin WITHOUT risk!

What is needed is therefore to facilitate the passage of tryptophan circulating in the blood to the brain rather than to give more!

To do this we have several strategies besides the tryptophan supplement :

- slow carbohydrates that cause insulin to rise and cause the tryptophan-competing amino acids to enter the brain, particularly leucine, isoleucine, valine in muscle cells

- avoid the  rich evening meat in these amino acids competing with tryptophan, also dairy products and corn

- sports , which promotes the detachment of tryptophan from albumin, which is a prerequisite for the passage of tryptophan in the brain

- reduce the consumption of tryptophan by the liver , which uses it to make nicotinamide (also called vitamin PP), which allows to spend more in the brain.

It is an English psychiatrist who has shown that giving nicotinamide can spare tryptophan consumed by kynurenins in the liver, and this, in favor of the synthesis of cerebral serotonin.

It is also necessary not to miss the B vitamins, especially B6, B9, B12 and magnesium which activates them so that this synthesis is done correctly (a correction cure of one month of these vitamins B is all the more important that more than 90% of the population does not get enough

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Hello 

 

Always very hard today but yesterday evening after posting my diary I have spent 2 good hours : physical symptôms like pains, burning, zaps but slight, which I van easily stand. Anxiety,  depression were very slight. I have laught, a good moment. So lucky I was.

I went to bed calm. :)

 

 

 

24 october

 

Yesterday before to sleep, zaps came back  not hard, but... I feeled asleep vey relaxed.

I sleep for 11.30 pm to 5.15 am

Woke with nausea. Back and head pain, bruxism. Jaw pain, neck pain, unplaisant spine and nose sensations

 : not very. hard I:m a little cold.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium citrate, anxiety  6 dépression 7 despair , very tired.

9. 30 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 8 anxiety 4

10 am : breakfast and  escitalopram1,5 mg, pain reduced, very tired.

10.30 am : go to bed. Nap of 30 mn. Bad wake after : pic of panic. Anxiety 7, dépression 8.

I stayed in bed until 12.30 pm.

1 pm probiotics : homeopathy, eat, anxiety 4, dépression 7. Nausea

3.30 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg anxiety 4, dépression 5 : I was spenting good time on téléphone, was happy...but I feel me bad feel that I will faint. My back is tense, it burns, my arms Burns too, I have nausea, zap in head and spine.

4 pm : anxiety 7, dépression 6.

4.30m go to bed. Back pain but other physical symptoms reduced a little.

7. pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 5, anxiety 6, fog in Brain, I feel weak as if I'm going to faint etc .... increrase again, my legs Burns too. Pfff...

9.30 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe almost all day

Back muscles contracted : hard but les time than yesterday.

Painfull legs : not very hard

Equilibrium problems :  On morning

visual problems :  2 times

Bruxism : 4

Cold  : juste on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : less hard than yesterday :)

small difficulties for speech  : slight

Diarrhea, bowel and stomac ache 

No hypnagogic hallucinations before sleep

 

Today was hard...as it is since more one month, I feel me bad, sometimes worse...

I can't stabilize my digestiv système and it worries me. Feeling weak as I'm going to faint worries me too...

I think of my symptôms, my drugs too much. To increase or not escitalopram ? How many times will I suffer with So numéros and hard symptôms, ruminations, remorses, anticipation. I know is very bad for me. 

Difficult to have a distraction with So much hard symptôms.

 

Tomorrow is another day.^^

 

Vega.

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Hello 

 

Yesterday evening I felt more and more weak after taking prazepam with sensations I will faint.

I sleeped well.

But this morning I woke in panic, with the alarm. Alarm = TV + radio alarm very strong during 30 mn.

Since anxiety is very very hard : 8-9. I took prazepam at 9.30, nothing change.

 

A lot of equilibrium problèms. Hard nausea since I woke. Less hard after I go to the living room, but increased after 8.30 am.

I have diarrhea, bowel, stomac, pancréas ache. My stomac is burning.

My burnings an arms and back dont reduce.

 

I wonder me if compléments are not bad for me. I took homéopathy long tome ago and is was good but it was homéopathy in alcool. Now is granules. I'm lactose intolérant (not allergic), granules have sugar too.

L-tryptophane and lithium can take nausea, even if I know that I' m taking low doses.

I took not 220 mg L-tryptophane yesterday evening but about 200 mg.

 

I will take escitalopram at 11 am : maybe this move disturb me.

 

I take the same dose of prazepam since one month after I had a little increased. I never stayed at the same dose more of 21 dayd and had ever tapered before, even if I was often very low tapering.Prazepam may take anxiety and dépression.

 

I try to not too think of my drugs, to find occupations, not to go a lot in this forum to not read too much historiés.

 

But I really think somethings is going wrong...with my drugs and compléments.

 

I have a terrible ball in stomac.

 

Can I reduce compléments?

What about increasing escitalopram ?

 

Thank's for your advices.

 

Vega.

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courage vegalia 

je pense fort à toi 

je t'embrasse 

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16 minutes ago, rola said:

@Vegalia

courage vegalia 

je pense fort à toi 

je t'embrasse 

 

Merci je pense à toi aussi 

 

Courage.

 

Bisous

 

Vega.

 

I took long time to write my last message.

Since : anxiety is less hard, but I feel me very weak again with sensation I will faint and a lot of fog in brain...

 

History seems be the same with it since several days.

 

Since I take prazepam I still  always felt sensations of being weak 1-1.30 after the dose, but not sensation to faint as I have since several days.

 

Vega

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3 hours ago, Vegalia said:

I took not 220 mg L-tryptophane yesterday evening but about 200 mg.

 

I will take escitalopram at 11 am : maybe this move disturb me.

 

Why did you reduce the L-tryptophane?

 

Please only make one change at a time. Moving the escitalopram is one change. Because of the L-tryptophane reduction, you won't know what is causing what with your symptoms. 

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22 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Why did you reduce the L-tryptophane?

 

Please only make one change at a time. Moving the escitalopram is one change. Because of the L-tryptophane reduction, you won't know what is causing what with your symptoms. 

 

Hello Shep,


Ok....I take 220 mg today... 

 

Since 2 hours I feel me a little better.

 

Thank you.

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega.

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Good evening,

 

25 october

 

Yesterday evening I felt more and more weak after taking prazepam with sensations I will faint.

I sleeped well : 11.30 pm to 6 am.

But this morning I woke in panic, with the alarm. Alarm = TV + radio alarm very strong during 30 mn.

Anxiety is very very hard : 8-9, hard nausea, back and headache, bruxism. Jaw, nek, arms, legs ache. 

 : bereable, I'm a little cold. A  lot of equilibrium problèms.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium , probiotics,  anxiety  8 dépression 6.

 diarrhea, bowel, stomac, pancréas ache. My stomac is burning.

9. 30 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 6 anxiety 8

10 am :  aches not reduced.

11 am : escitalopram 1,5 mg.

12.30  : homeopathy, eat, anxiety  5 dépression 6. 

very weak again with sensation I will faint and a lot of fog in brain...

3.30 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg anxiety 4, dépression 5, Spent a lot of time of bed. Did nap of 30 mn with bad wake.

8 pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 5, anxiety 6, fog in Brain, hard umpleasant sensationsin spine, back very contracted and burning, arms are burning too, Brain zap.

9.30 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe several time a day

Equilibrium problems :  almost all day but I was in bed long time this afternoon.

visual problems :  no

Bruxism : 4

Cold  : just on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : always but stable

small difficulties for speech  : no

Diarrhea, bowel and stomac ache, ball in stomac

No hypnagogic hallucinations before sleep

 

Very hard day, less hard on begining of afternoon. I made a little activities at this time.

I tell me always the question of increase a little escitalopram : it is So hard... :(:(

Feeling as I was CT... So numerous symptôms and So hard in intensity...

 

Tomorrow is another day.^^

 

Vega.

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Good evening,

 

26 october

 

Yesterday evening I felt good 2 h before to go to sleep. Symptôms were bearable, the mood was quasi normal. :)

I sleeped well : midnight to 6.30 am (no alarm). I woke with hard nausea, back and headache, bruxism. Jaw, nek, arms, legs, toes aches, brain zaps. 

8 am : get up,I'm a little cold. Sweat.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium , probiotics,  anxiety  4 dépression 4

9. 30 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 4 anxiety  : 4

Physical symptôms are always So hard.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg.

12.30  : homeopathy

1.30 pm : eat, anxiety  4 dépression 6. Gardening 30 mn. I wished to go a a little walk, but very sad because I can't with my physical symptôms.

3.30 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg anxiety 4, dépression 5,

4pm to 7 pm in bed because I feeled me weak and physical symptôms were very hard.. Did nap of 30 mn. Anxiety 6, dépression 6, crying a little. Always physical symptôms but a little slightly.

8 pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 5, anxiety 4, physical symptôms increase again with burnings. Shoulders ache and burning too.

9.30 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe  almost of the day

Equilibrium problems :  almost all day but I was in bed long time this afternoon.

visual problems :  not a lot

Bruxism : 4

Cold  : just on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : always but stable

small difficulties for speech  : slighty

Diarrhea, bowel and stomac ache, ball in stomac

No hypnagogic hallucinations before sleep

muscle tremor.

Brain zap all day. :(

 

Very hard day, less hard to 4. to 6-7 pm.

Physical symptôms terrible all day, So hard that I can't be happy of being less anxious and dépressive.

I wonder me when the awfull days will stop, when I will got out of this hell.

I have so hard and multiple symptôms, that I think I forget to write sôme of them Every days.

 

I hope one day, I will write : this day was not easy but symptôms were not unbearable...

 

Always wonder me : why not to increase escitalopram to 1,75. I'm suffering too much...

 

Tomorrow is another day.^^ But I'm not optimistic.

 

Vega

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Vegalia, how much lithium are you taking? Please include dosages in your daily notes.

 

Why do you want to increase escilatopram?

 

Please note that the prazepam throughout the day might be making you feel fatigued and apathetic. That is a common side effect of benzodiazepines. I am concerned about the other things you're taking, too.

 

It's very easy to make problems for yourself by adding drugs and increasing dosages to offset adverse effects of the drugs you're taking. In short, your drugs may be your problem.

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7 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Vegalia, how much lithium are you taking? Please include dosages in your daily notes.

 

Why do you want to increase escilatopram?

 

Please note that the prazepam throughout the day might be making you feel fatigued and apathetic. That is a common side effect of benzodiazepines. I am concerned about the other things you're taking, too.

 

It's very easy to make problems for yourself by adding drugs and increasing dosages to offset adverse effects of the drugs you're taking. In short, your drugs may be your problem.

 Hello Altostrata,

 

Sorry for lithium it is lithium citrate 1 mg : trace élément. Complément, not lithium as drug.

 

For escitalopram, it seems me clear that I have reduced too fast and have the consequences much later :.

 

 Escitalopram: 15 july : 5,   20 july : 4,    22 july : 3,25,    23 july : 2,5,    25  july : 2,25.....

 

 

I know that too much escitalopram makes me adverse réaction, that's why I didn't want to follow the first advice that it was giving to me hère : increase to 5 mg.

I réfère to my sertraline taper and symptoms I had during this. This taper was successfull, with 3 doses of prazepam, the same compléments. It was sucessfull too when I have stoped compléments during this taper. 

I réfère to, of my expérience of overdoses of 3 AD and the adverses effets they causes.

I think to make a différence between symptômes of taper and adverses réactions.

 

Try 1,75 mg escitalopram might be an option I think ? I am since one month at 1,50 mg. I have a lot of same symptôms as I reduced sertraline but with much, much harder intensity and a lot of other symptôms of taper very hard that I never had. Unbearable...

 

I have tryed to explain this several times but...I know my storie is complicated and my english is not good : I apologize.

 

For prazepam, I think that 3 times a day was an error, but I'm affraid to change this with So much symptôms. However I have told your méthode to have 2 equal doses to think about it, but I dont know what she is.

 

For complements : lithium citrate and L-tryptophan, I wished to stop i gradualy, but it was always sayed me hère : not to stop. And after, not several change in the same time.

Today is the last day of my time escitalopram move.

 

Thank's Altostrata. 

 

Véga.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/10/2019 at 9:11 AM, Vegalia said:

Hi,

 

I have forget the date on my previous post : 9 october. Sorry.

 

I went to bed a 11.10 pm with a lot of back pain and umpleasant spine and head sensacars and always head pain. My back was "burning", bruxism. 

However, i falled asleep relatively quickly. 

 

I have got a lot a sévère symptôms... It's very hard.

 

I try to tell m'y history with escitalopram. Maybe it van help. Sorry for m'y english :

 

15 july : escitalopram 5 mg : I feel surdosed with sertraline 25 mg, that I could not do taper less that 1 mg for technical reasons. It was told me that I must find balance with benzo and DA.

1st week fell "good". I hope to drive my taper as I have down with sertraline : taper 28 days. But on week after very nervous, agitation came back. It bas been adviced to me to take 4 mg. 

 

20 july : escitalopram 4 mg : very nervous, agitation : I told if I does reduce for 0,50 mg or less? Advice : no ! No misplaced caution : you are surdosed like L...( membre of forum) read this post. Go to 3,25. 

 

22 july : escitalopram 3,25 mg :  nervous, agitation : I told what should I do ? Go to 2,5 ? Answer : Yes, try it. Agitation, nervosity must guide you for tour taper. And I'm doing like think that because I really think that I'm surdosed And 'Il affraid to become really agressive And not to contrôle me.

 

23 july : escitalopram 2,5 mg : always nervous but less : I told if I must reduce : answer : Yes. 

 

25 july : escitalopram 2,25 mg : My mood is always not stable but nervosity down a few days : good. But it Côme back few days mater : I tell advices And reduce... But i realize that I have taper fast And hard...And that is probably not carrefull even if I was nervous... I think I must be more carrefull And not reduce So fast And hard than two other membres of forum who have hard agressivity with DA, with I am compared to by the forum admin. I think that taper to 0,25 mg when I  am nervous us more carefull....

 

8 August : escitalopram 2 mg : nervosity down ever if my mood is not stable ans up..I reduce with advices.

16 August : escitalopram 1,75 mg : idem

 

20 August : escitalopram 1,50 mg : I feel me very tiréd, have digestiv problèms, diarrhéa, but do not link it to the taper cause they are usual problèms for years. I have new symptôms but not hard. I dont care a lot about it. M'y nervosity desappered , I have very light pain, and I am happy of this. 9-11september feel "good". I have congratulations for m'y taper. I think that I am stabilzed, I am wrong...but I didn't know that.

 

12 september : escitalopram 1,25 mg : I'm always very tiréd, with digestive problèms. On week later I realize that I am in dépression ! I think I probably must upgrade the dose . I telle  advices : 1,38 mg + lithium orotates.

24 september : escitalopram 1,38 mg m'y dépression become harder (I don't take lithium orotates). I answer advices : 1,50 mg.

28 september : escitalopram 1,50 : I explain that m'y situation is terrible with all symptôms ans news very hard symptôms : I  tell advices : " I dont have solution, sorry. Orotates may help you."

 

 

Vega.

 

 

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On 10/4/2019 at 11:33 AM, Erell said:

Vegalia's post translation  :

 

" hello

Here is my very complex drugs history.

I put Some comments : they won't necessarily be put in the signature To make sure she is clear.

 

I have To highlight the fact that ADs give me serious adverse reactions. After 2 weeks of Venlafaxine 75mg lp, I had High restlessness. As my state was getting worse after 3 weeks, I decided To cut it half To take only 37.5mg and then restlessness decreased.

My psychiatrist wanted To try again : I went back to 75mg and after 2 weeks my restlessness increased a lot.

Then we tried a bridge To Sertraline, and again I had a lot of restlessness, felt really angry and dishinibited. 

My restlessness and angry feelings were very hard To contain.

With Sertraline, I also had big muscles pain, prickles in the arms and legs.

I decided To decrease my Sertraline dose : restlessness and angry feelings decreased too. However I still was dishinibited.

While I was decreasing Sertraline's doses, I  felt really drugged so I held on 25mg To stabilize, and reduced my benzo.

I felt almost stable for a while, but after 2months restlessness was coming back, and also angry feelings. Angry feelings were really hard To cope, but fortunately I managed To. I also was feeling very disinhibited.

 

So I decided To stop the ADs but, in France, you can only find Sertraline in capsules and the powder is very thin so you can't use a précision scale.

I tried To titrage it in water, but the powder did not dilute Well, and most of all it has burned my digestive system in 3 days.

My psychiatrist didn't want To prescribe me for doses prepared by pharmacist, so I couldn't control precises changes of doses. 

That is why a new bridge has been done To liquid Escitalopram. However , equivalencies between these 2 drugs are not precise. 

 

I started with 5mg and was feeling very angry with a lot of restlessness. So I reduced To 4mg.

This restlessness and angry feelings became more and more intense, so I  tappered fast, probably too fast, but my irritation was so hard To control,  and it decreased everytime I tappered.

 

I think the equivalency between the 2 drugs wasn't the good one for me. This is why I think it is not good To updose To 5mg. 

 

My situation  is very complicated and now I know I should have reduced the Ad's dose as soon as I started To take it, and do it fast. I could feel it, But everybody around me was telling me To keep the AD to tapper the benzo first...

 

I also wanna highlight the fact that, before all this, I had never been through dépression. I agreed To take an AD just because i've been told it would help me To calm down my anxiety and To not become dépendant on benzos.

 

I just became dépendent on benzo really fast, and I should just have tappered it very slowly.

But now I think benzo helped me To manage the harder WD symptoms of my AD (restlessness and irritation)...

 

Erell, if you translate this, you can summarize it, I have not been very concise. 

I really don't want To overwhelm you. 

(Ps : I didnt summarize)

 

I already wanna thank you for your advices and apologize for not being able To speak correctly in English. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Vegalia said:

Hello @Shep

 

i thought about the schedule :

 

- you want to séparate the 2 drugs to sée the réactions I have with each drug

- With the AD at noon and 2 x prazepam it will be more clear for you

- if I take the AD at noon and not the morning it is possible even if not sûre to have an impact of my sleep. That's why you think of taking more prazepam on evening?

Is it correct or not?

 

What would be  your move plan to 2 equal doses of prazepam ?

1) 9.30 am 4,75 mg, 2,30 pm 2,375 mg, 4.30 pm 2,375 mg, 9.30 pm 4,75 mg

2) 9.30 am 4,75 mg 1.30 pm 2,375 mg, 5.30 pm 2,375 mg, 9.30 pm 4,75 mg

3) 9.30 am 4,75 mg, 12.30 2,375 mg, 6.30 pm 2,375 mg, 9.30 pm 4,75 mg.

4) 9.30 am 4,75 mg, 11.30 am 2,375 mg, 7.30 pm 2,375 mg, 9.30 pm 4,75 mg

5) 9.30 am 4,75 mg, 10.30 am 2,375 mg, 8.30 pm 2,375 mg, 9.30 pm 4,75 mg

6) 9.30 am 7,125 mg, 9.30 pm 7,125 mg ?

 

Maybe I say foolery but I try to anderstand.

 

For my part, I notice that my taper of Sertraline 50 to 25 mg has been sucessfull, with lot of physical symptôms that I have now again but the were more slightly during my taper of sertraline.

During my taper of Sertraline, it was not easy with physical symptôms, but I can stand it. And as soon as I tapered, my physical symptôms reduced, with one week a month who were harder than the others : the most often the third.

I had only physical symptôms. The nervosity fast reduced. I had no anxiety, no dépression ( I have been Never dépressive of my life until +/- 2 month), had a good sleep..

 

The problèm was that I had too much prazepam. It helped me to not be too nervous and agitated when I had the biggest doses of AD, but in the same time, they made me important drowsiness, problèm of concentration and memory.

Early and morning I feeled not nervous, and no drowsiness. 

8.30 am I took AD

9 am I took prazepam

-/+ 9.30 am : a lot of drowsiness

+/- Noon : nervosity, agitation

3. pm I took prazepam

+/- 3.30 pm a lot of drowsiness

+/- 6 pm nervosity, agitation

9.pm took prazepam

10-10.30 pm drowsiness, feeled asleep. 

 

As soon as I tapered sertraline, nervosity dissapered. In the same time I reduced benzo very slowly, but drowsiness increased at the hours I have telling you. That why I make sôme little adaptations of prazepam with no big problèms.

But, drowsiness became harder and harder. 

During april to june who I stoped tapering Sertraline I feeled me good with very, very little physical symptôms. And in the same time I tapered prazepam more fast, but carefull

I recovered memory, I was abble to drive , that I couln't do because of drowsiness and problèmes of concentration,  a little (20 km), drowsiness dissapeared or very slight. My mood were stabilized. As physical symptôms I had only arms pain but in progressive réduction and sometimes head pain but not very hard.

 

But ...in end june I feeled me a little nervous again and it increased slowly.

 

As I told you, I think that dose of escitalopram was too hard for me. At 5 mg nervosity increased very fast. I let me convinced to taper harder as I wanted to, even if I knowed that the réduction effects are coming after long time for me. (Slow métabolism?)

 

And now I hav a lot of symptôms that I know very well for having thèse during my taper of sertraline but the are very very harder. And I have other new symptôms as anxiety and dépression.

At 5 mg I was very nervous, the nervosity has dissapeared since two month, but now I have depression and anxiety  with other symptôms that I knew well for most of thèm during sertraline taper, but the intensy is very very harder as it was, too hard.

 

Sorry to have been so long. But my feelings are really that the problèmes is first of all escitalopram, started with too hard dose and too fast tapered which is on the origine of my hard symptôms. It is maybe possible too that prazepam takes anxiety too : I have increased my dose since one month and I Never had the same dose of prazepam so long time.

 

I'm affraid that if I change schedule and mostly benzo division (more benzo evening than morning), it will be desequilibrate me again. And that's why I think that an little increasing of escitalopram might help me. 

 

That is my point of view, my feelings, but you are the experts.

 

Have a good day. And thank's a lot.

 

Vega 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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As I understand it, your most prominent symptom is what you report as "depression," which may be side effects of your constant daily prazepam -- NOT a withdrawal symptom.

 

Lithium is also a CNS depressant. When you push down too hard on your nervous system with depressants such as lithium and benzodiazepines, that can make you feel worse, including the paradoxical reaction of "nervosity, agitation" -- again, NOT a withdrawal symptom.

 

@Shep and I have been urging you to take your drugs on a schedule where we can more clearly identify drug adverse reactions. This is the way we work. If you can't do this, we are at a loss to unravel your drug-related problem.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

As I understand it, your most prominent symptom is what you report as "depression," which may be side effects of your constant daily prazepam -- NOT a withdrawal symptom.

 

Lithium is also a CNS depressant. When you push down too hard on your nervous system with depressants such as lithium and benzodiazepines, that can make you feel worse, including the paradoxical reaction of "nervosity, agitation" -- again, NOT a withdrawal symptom.

 

@Shep and I have been urging you to take your drugs on a schedule where we can more clearly identify drug adverse reactions. This is the way we work. If you can't do this, we are at a loss to unravel your drug-related problem.

 

 

 

Hello Altostrata,

 

My fellings was that dépression is i withdrawal symptôms of antidépressant fast taper. Maybe I' m wrong?

I have a lot of hard symptôms too. Aches, zap, burnings very very hard. Terrible and anxiety.

 

 

I have moved escitalopram to noon as asked. I was affraid but I did it.

I have asked Shep if I can have 2 equal doses of prazepam (it was a possibility she had me done too) and asked for the méthod to think about it because I don't know what is your méthod to move to 2 equal doses prazepam.

However Shep Sayed me ok to keep 3 doses prazepam for yet.

I have not stoped my compléments as asked hère. I wished to but I didn't do this, because you Sayed me not to do this.

 

I understand you have your méthods. I'm doing my possible to give you éléments and to do what you say me.

 

Thanks a lot Altostrata.

 

Vega.

 

 

 

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27 october

 

Yesterday  evening too I felt good 2 h before to go to sleep. Symptôms were bearable, the mood was quasi normal. :)

I sleeped well : midnight to 6.30 am (7.30 sleep ! Change time in France). Drowsiness until 8 am. I woke with hard nausea, back and headache, Jaw, nek, arms.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium citrate 1 mg, probiotics,  anxiety  4 dépression 4

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 4 anxiety  : 4

10.am tireness Physical symptôms are always So hard.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg.

12.30  : homeopathy

1.30 pm : eat, anxiety  4 dépression 6. 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg anxiety 4, dépression 5,

3.30 pm to 6.30 pm in bed because I feeled me weak and physical symptôms were very hard.. Did nap of 30 mn. Anxiety 5 dépression 5. Always physical symptôms but a little slightly.

7.30 pm homéopathy, diner: dépression 5, anxiety 4, physical symptôms increase again with burnings. Shoulders ache and burning too. Umplaisant sensation in spine and head. I think my sensation to faint might be induced by my back hard contraction an sensations of électricity. My scalp is burning . Headache , Brain zap. Umplaisant sensation in nose. Nausea.

9. pm prazepam

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : severe  almost of the day

Equilibrium problems :  almost all day but I was in bed long time this afternoon.

visual problems :  not a lot

Bruxism : 3 ( reduction)

Cold  : just on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : always but stable

small difficulties for speech  : slighty

Diarrhea, bowel and stomac ache, ball in stomac : in réduction

 

Today the most difficult was physical symptôms, who are in slight réduction when I lie down, but very sévère when I get up. The pains and Burns intensify more and more since 4 days and are deeper I also have sensations of needle bites...And sensation as if I was holding my arms. (douleurs de serrement, comme quand on prend la tension) My body is burning very hard.

 

Since several days, dépression and anxiety are a little bit slightly.

 

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Vega

 

 

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On 10/23/2019 at 9:10 AM, Vegalia said:

Hello,

 

My programm to move drugs :

23 october : 9 am escitalopram, 9.30 am prazepam, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

24 october : 9.30 am prazepam, 10. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

25 october 9.30 am prazepam, 11. am escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

26 october : 9.30 am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3.30 pm prazepam, 9.30 pm prazepam

27 october 9. am prazepam, noon escitalopram, 3. pm prazepam, 9. pm prazepam /!\ time change in France this day (GTM +2 too GTM + 1)

 

Have a good day.

 

Vega

 

On 10/23/2019 at 2:58 PM, Shep said:

 

This is a good plan. Please let us know how you feel. 

 

Plan done  :)

 

I do not have either done a micro taper of prazepam (1% current dose a month) as I wanted to do for tolérance because you told me not to do this.

 

Sorry and all apologies but I dont understand what is going wrong with what I'm doing. :(

 

Vega.

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Good morning,

 

I know I'm writting a lot and dont want to disturb you, but I try to résume, in hope it will help you.

 

My hardest symptôms in time  Since 3 month :

 

3 month ago : nervosity, agitation : has disapeared

2 month ago : hard tireness and sweat.: always but has reduced, hard diarrhéa and other digestiv symptôms : in slow réduction

1 month ago : dépression : always but has a little reduced : more bearable today

15 days ago : anxiety : always but gradualy reducing in intensity

Since 5 days : body burnings, aches, contractions, sensation of électricity, zap,  several other umpleasant sensations in head, arms, shoulders, legs, back, neck, spine, nose. Not a new symptôm but increasing very fast and hard last 5 days. Since yesterday I have needles punctures sensations in arms, shoulders, back and neck.

Constant hard symptôm : nausea.

 

This morning burns in body are terrible with needles punctures sensations. I had such symptôms exactly one year ago before taking any complèment, just after introduction of sertraline , but essentially in arms, shoulders, nose, sometimes in legs, but very little in back and neck. 

Venlafaxine 75 LP = extended release)29 August 2018 ,19 August : 37,5 ,4 september : 75,18 october 37,5 + Sertraline 25 , Sertraline,1 november : 50, 

 

I think my métabolism is slow.

 

Have a good day

 

Vega.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Vegalia said:

Plan done  :)

 

Please note it takes 4 days for your nervous system to adjust to the change. For now, please do not make any other changes.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Please note it takes 4 days for your nervous system to adjust to the change. For now, please do not make any other changes.

 

 

 

Hello Shep,

 

 Ok.

 

However I have made 2 little changes thèse 2 last weeks :

-progressive réduction of coffea : 3/4 a little cup to 0.

-I smoked +/- 20 cigarettes and  now +/- 15 because I spent long time in bed.

 

220 mg L-tryptophan every day again : just one day 200 mg as I told you.

 

I can sometimes take 1 mg paracétamol but when I do it I write it in my diary : no paracétamol since one week.

 

Thank you Shep and have a good day.

 

Vega 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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28 october

 

Yesterday  evening too I felt good 2 h before to go to sleep quasi normal mood. :)

But aches and burnings were a little bit less strong but stayed hard.

 

I sleeped : 11.30 to 3 am and after until 6 but with sevreral wakes. I woke with hard nausea, aches and burnings.

8. 15 am : homéopathy,  lihium citrate 1 mg, probiotics,  anxiety  3 dépression 4 : constant all day.

9. am : prazepam 4,75 mg

10.am tireness Physical symptôms are always So hard : go to bed, nap of 30 mn. Aches and burnings redecuce a little.

Noon : escitalopram 1,5 mg.

12.30  : homeopathy nausea

1.30 pm : eat, aches and burnings increased but I décidéd to not go to bed. 

3.pm : prazepam 4,75 mg, very hard nausea during until dîner.

I wanted try to go to supermarket at 5 km but didn't ..aches, burnings in arms, shoulders and legs had a little reduced but aches and burnings in back, neck, spine increased ,a lot a fog in Brain, sensation I will faint...

5 pm go to bed. Burnings and aches in back, spine, neck reduced but inceased in arms and shoulders.

7.30 pm homéopathy, diner: all physical symptôms of aches and burning increase, haedache ++, Brain zaps 

9. pm prazepam

11pm : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg

 

*****

nausea : very severe  almost of the day

Equilibrium problems :  almost all day but I was in bed long time.

visual problems :  not a lot

Bruxism : 3 ( reduction)

Cold  : just on morning

sensibility to light and noises  : always but stable

small difficulties for speech  : slighty

Diarrhea, bowel and stomac ache, ball in stomac : very slight.

 

Today the most difficult was physical symptôms, My body is burning very hard, back very contracted, sensations of niddles, nausea : all very very sévère. Fog in Brain, zaps, sensations I will faint.

Can't go out anymore : just 10 mn in garden, inable to drive. A lot of equilibrium problèms.

 

My companion is angry and blames me to be So often lie down and not to go in supermarket because the fridge is still empty = I dont have will, I don't make effort to go out and So I will not get better...He doesn't help for any household or cooking : nothing...and I do what I can (not a lot), with my suffering...

 

Dépression and anxiety are slightly.

 

What about tomorrow? Surprise...

 

Vega

 

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2 hours ago, Vegalia said:

7.30 pm homéopathy, diner: all physical symptôms of aches and burning increase, haedache ++, Brain zaps 

 

This seems to happen every night. Are you eating anything that could trigger this? A glass of wine with dinner?

 

If you get worse after acupuncture, you need to talk to the practitioner. You should feel better, not worse.

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8 hours ago, Altostrata said:

 

This seems to happen every night. Are you eating anything that could trigger this? A glass of wine with dinner?

 

If you get worse after acupuncture, you need to talk to the practitioner. You should feel better, not worse.

 Hello Altostrata,

 

I'm sorry...my diary seems not to be clear and my english always So bad...

 

1 : it increase before I eat and take homeopathiy. I take care of what I eat. No alcool since I take benzo, no soda, take care with sugar too etc...

 

2. I don't make acupuncture. I have sensations in my body like needles it is a symptôm

 

 

@Erell 

 

Salut,

Puis je te demander un petit coup de main s'il te plait ?

Je n'arrive pas à traduire : sensations de piqûres d'aiguilles sur le corps.... Je ne fais pas d'acupuncture, c'est un symptôme.

 

Aurais- tu une suggestion stp?

 

merci :)

 

Vega

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Coucou Vega !

 

@Altostrata : Vegalia doesn't do acupuncture. She  is trying To describe a symptom  : this symptom is a feeling. She feels like if there were needles stinging.

 

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Vegalia

Coucou ,

 

Thank you So much @Erell  :)

 

Vega

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rola
20 hours ago, Vegalia said:

 

Bonjour Shep,

 

 D'accord.

 

Cependant, j'ai apporté 2 petits changements ces 2 dernières semaines  :

réduction progressive du café: 3/4 une tasse à 0.

-J'ai fumé +/- 20 cigarettes et maintenant +/- 15 parce que j'ai passé de longues heures au lit.

 

220 mg de L-tryptophane chaque jour encore: juste un jour 200 mg comme je vous l'ai dit.

 

Je peux parfois prendre 1 mg de paracétamol mais quand je le fais, je l’écris dans mon journal: pas de paracétamol depuis une semaine.

 

Merci Shep et bonne journée.

 

Vega 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

salut vega 

par quoi tu as remplacé le café car moi j y arrive pas 

comme je fume aussi la clope va avec le café 

et si j en bois pas j ai mal à la tete 

je t 'embrasse fort 

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